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Mik_Pick 05/29/12 11:59:00 AM #51:	Didn't Jane win fan favorite? Also I'm going to watch Nicaragua when I'm done Micronesia. Edit: Decided to skim and turns out yes she did! -- XBL: Mik Pick PSN: Mik2Pick <cite>Mik_Pick posted [p:1191624] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> Didn't Jane win fan favorite?Also I'm going to watch Nicaragua when I'm done Micronesia.Edit: Decided to skim and turns out yes she did! -- XBL: Mik PickPSN: Mik2Pick </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SanityLapse 05/29/12 2:07:00 PM #52:	Didn't know you hated Jane that much. I always thought it was funny how much this board (myself included) liked Jane in the first half of the season. Most of us were ranking her near the top. Then when she became more prominent, we all started disliking her, and apparently America was loving her then. I also dislike how they made Jane seem like she overpowered Chase in that one immunity challenge, by editing out that he lost by getting disqualified. -- http://kotti.wippiespace.com/survivor/datass2.gif http://tinyurl.com/82d9keg <cite>SanityLapse posted [p:1191625] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> Didn't know you hated Jane that much. I always thought it was funny how much this board (myself included) liked Jane in the first half of the season. Most of us were ranking her near the top. Then when she became more prominent, we all started disliking her, and apparently America was loving her then.I also dislike how they made Jane seem like she overpowered Chase in that one immunity challenge, by editing out that he lost by getting disqualified. -- http://kotti.wippiespace.com/survivor/datass2.gifhttp://tinyurl.com/82d9keg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 05/29/12 2:56:00 PM #53:	422. Russell Hantz (Samoa, 2nd place) Ah yes, Russell. Anybody who participates in the regular Survivor topics knew he was going to be in this tier on my list. And let me be perfectly clear since this is the first write-up for someone who has played multiple times - this ranking and write-up is for his Samoa outing only. He will appear two more times later in the list for write-ups on his Heroes vs. Villains performance and brief stint on Redemption Island, as will all of the others who have played multiple times (Boston Rob will appear four times, Cirie three times, Bobby Jon two times, etc). And believe me, in most cases, rankings will vary greatly between performances. So anyway, on to why I hate Russell in Samoa. The blame on this goes about 40% to the editors, 40% to Russell himself, and 20% to the idiots who won't shut up about him. When the Samoa cast was first announced, you take one look at this guy's picture and you know he's probably a douchebag. He's about 5 foot nothing, fat, bald, and not smiling. Further pics reveal that he wears a fedora and is missing a tooth. So the guy looks like a douchebag but looks can be deceiving, and there's a chance that this guy might actually have a heart of gold. But then the first promos for the season begin airing and he's already being promoted as the biggest villain in Survivor history. Great. So the season begins and his first confessional is that he wants to make it as miserable as possible for everyone. Great. If history repeats itself, we'll see ya at the Reunion after about three episodes. 10 minutes into the game and he makes a secret alliance with each of the three young girls on the tribe and calls it his "Dumb-Ass Girl Alliance." He also makes an alliance with Betsy, the oldest woman on the tribe, but mentions that he's aware that he has to watch out for her because she's clearly a lot smarter than the three young girls. On night one, they are all sharing their personal stories, and Russell shares the story of how he lived in New Orleans at the time of Hurricane Katrina and his dog got washed away in the storm and he spent two whole days on top of the roof. To the camera, he reveals that he never lived in New Orleans and has never had a dog, but he feels that he can control the others emotionally with a heartbreaking story like that. After the others fall asleep, he pours out all of the water from each of their canteens and throws Jaison's socks into the fire. When they wake up the next morning he pretends like he has no idea what happened like everyone else. So his team predictably goes into the challenge weak and unprepared and loses. At tribal council he convinces them to vote out Marisa, one of his Dumb-Ass Girls who caught onto what he was doing. So one episode in and Russell is clearly an ass hat, but at least he's providing some entertainment (I mean, not like they're giving any screen time to anybody else). -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!) http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:1191626] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> 422. Russell Hantz (Samoa, 2nd place)Ah yes, Russell. Anybody who participates in the regular Survivor topics knew he was going to be in this tier on my list. And let me be perfectly clear since this is the first write-up for someone who has played multiple times - this ranking and write-up is for his Samoa outing only. He will appear two more times later in the list for write-ups on his Heroes vs. Villains performance and brief stint on Redemption Island, as will all of the others who have played multiple times (Boston Rob will appear four times, Cirie three times, Bobby Jon two times, etc). And believe me, in most cases, rankings will vary greatly between performances.So anyway, on to why I hate Russell in Samoa. The blame on this goes about 40% to the editors, 40% to Russell himself, and 20% to the idiots who won't shut up about him. When the Samoa cast was first announced, you take one look at this guy's picture and you know he's probably a douchebag. He's about 5 foot nothing, fat, bald, and not smiling. Further pics reveal that he wears a fedora and is missing a tooth. So the guy looks like a douchebag but looks can be deceiving, and there's a chance that this guy might actually have a heart of gold. But then the first promos for the season begin airing and he's already being promoted as the biggest villain in Survivor history. Great.So the season begins and his first confessional is that he wants to make it as miserable as possible for everyone. Great. If history repeats itself, we'll see ya at the Reunion after about three episodes. 10 minutes into the game and he makes a secret alliance with each of the three young girls on the tribe and calls it his "Dumb-Ass Girl Alliance." He also makes an alliance with Betsy, the oldest woman on the tribe, but mentions that he's aware that he has to watch out for her because she's clearly a lot smarter than the three young girls.On night one, they are all sharing their personal stories, and Russell shares the story of how he lived in New Orleans at the time of Hurricane Katrina and his dog got washed away in the storm and he spent two whole days on top of the roof. To the camera, he reveals that he never lived in New Orleans and has never had a dog, but he feels that he can control the others emotionally with a heartbreaking story like that. After the others fall asleep, he pours out all of the water from each of their canteens and throws Jaison's socks into the fire. When they wake up the next morning he pretends like he has no idea what happened like everyone else. So his team predictably goes into the challenge weak and unprepared and loses. At tribal council he convinces them to vote out Marisa, one of his Dumb-Ass Girls who caught onto what he was doing. So one episode in and Russell is clearly an ass hat, but at least he's providing some entertainment (I mean, not like they're giving any screen time to anybody else). -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!)http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 05/29/12 2:57:00 PM #54:	This trend continues up until the merge, at which point Russell's tribe is outnumbered 8-4. Seems like an impossible situation. Well, luckily for him, Erik from the other tribe is pissing everybody off, so they all figure that even if they vote him out they'll still be up 7-4, so they go ahead and do it. Then at the next tribal council, when Russell is the boot target, he pulls out a hidden immunity idol and votes out Kelly. Now they're down 6-4, but they're in luck, because Shambo has finally decided that she no longer wants to be associated with her old tribe, so she joins Russell and crew and it's now tied, 5-5. All they need is one person to flop and Russell convinces John that if he doesn't break the tie, he could go home because of the Purple Rock tiebreaker. This convinces John to flip his vote and the 6 of them get rid of Laura. Russell now has a 6-3 advantage over Brett, Dave and Monica. Surely one of them should go next, right? Nope. Russell decides that even after John helped him out the night before, it's time for him to go. Jaison is skeptical about this because Shambo wants to get rid of Dave, and if they don't do that then she'll be pissed off at them, rejoin her old tribe and they'll be tied again. Russell insists though and they get rid of John. Shambo feels hurt but hates Dave and Monica enough to never side with them. Next episode is a double boot and since Brett has immunity, Dave and Monica go down. Brett also wins immunity in the next episode, so Russell has to let his pal Shambo go. Now only Brett stands in the way of Russell, Mick, Natalie and Jaison coming back from an 8-4 disadvantage and making a clean getaway to the final four. At this point I'm really mixed on Russell. Part of me is rooting for him to win because he's played a good strategic game, and part of me is rooting for him to lose because he's such an ass hat. In the finale, Brett wins immunity at the final five, forcing the Foa Foa Four to finally eat one of their own. They choose Jaison because he isn't going to help them beat Brett in the final immunity challenge. Very fittingly, the final challenge comes down to Russell and Brett. Brett's stack falls after a long time and Russell wins final immunity. They go to tribal council and obviously vote out Brett because all of his friends are on the jury and there's no way he won't win. So we have the final three of Russell, Natalie and Mick. Mick was feckless and didn't even know what it meant, and Russell was an ass hat, so Natalie, who didn't do much all game, wins by default. Now, I'm glad Russell lost, but I don't totally hate him because he played a decent game, even if it did primarily involve him just threatening others to do what he wanted and, if the rumors are true, some producer interference. But his post-show actions are what really get me. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!) http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:1191627] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> This trend continues up until the merge, at which point Russell's tribe is outnumbered 8-4. Seems like an impossible situation. Well, luckily for him, Erik from the other tribe is pissing everybody off, so they all figure that even if they vote him out they'll still be up 7-4, so they go ahead and do it. Then at the next tribal council, when Russell is the boot target, he pulls out a hidden immunity idol and votes out Kelly. Now they're down 6-4, but they're in luck, because Shambo has finally decided that she no longer wants to be associated with her old tribe, so she joins Russell and crew and it's now tied, 5-5. All they need is one person to flop and Russell convinces John that if he doesn't break the tie, he could go home because of the Purple Rock tiebreaker. This convinces John to flip his vote and the 6 of them get rid of Laura. Russell now has a 6-3 advantage over Brett, Dave and Monica. Surely one of them should go next, right? Nope. Russell decides that even after John helped him out the night before, it's time for him to go. Jaison is skeptical about this because Shambo wants to get rid of Dave, and if they don't do that then she'll be pissed off at them, rejoin her old tribe and they'll be tied again. Russell insists though and they get rid of John. Shambo feels hurt but hates Dave and Monica enough to never side with them.Next episode is a double boot and since Brett has immunity, Dave and Monica go down. Brett also wins immunity in the next episode, so Russell has to let his pal Shambo go. Now only Brett stands in the way of Russell, Mick, Natalie and Jaison coming back from an 8-4 disadvantage and making a clean getaway to the final four. At this point I'm really mixed on Russell. Part of me is rooting for him to win because he's played a good strategic game, and part of me is rooting for him to lose because he's such an ass hat.In the finale, Brett wins immunity at the final five, forcing the Foa Foa Four to finally eat one of their own. They choose Jaison because he isn't going to help them beat Brett in the final immunity challenge. Very fittingly, the final challenge comes down to Russell and Brett. Brett's stack falls after a long time and Russell wins final immunity. They go to tribal council and obviously vote out Brett because all of his friends are on the jury and there's no way he won't win. So we have the final three of Russell, Natalie and Mick. Mick was feckless and didn't even know what it meant, and Russell was an ass hat, so Natalie, who didn't do much all game, wins by default. Now, I'm glad Russell lost, but I don't totally hate him because he played a decent game, even if it did primarily involve him just threatening others to do what he wanted and, if the rumors are true, some producer interference. But his post-show actions are what really get me. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!)http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 05/29/12 2:57:00 PM #55:	At the Reunion, Russell refuses to congratulate Natalie on her win. He says on live TV that she didn't deserve it and she didn't do anything. He also offers her $10,000 if she gives him the title of Sole Survivor, which she refuses, and I cheered for her. Instead of blaming his loss on the fact that he treated everyone like crap, he blames the jury for being bitter that they got outplayed, even despite the fact that Jeff polled the jury and, had the final three been Russell, Jaison and Shambo, Russell would have won in a landslide. Even after the Reunion, Russell's post show interviews reveal that his is still bitter towards Natalie (who had NO control over how the jury voted) and that he believes Dave and Laura belong in a mental institution just because they have not apologized for not voting for him. So basically Russell is awful now. He's a sore loser and a poor sport. But there's one more reason I hate Russell. The fans. Oh God the fans. There are all sorts of fans who think that Russell is some God among men, and that he is the best Survivor player ever. Yet a lot of these people have never heard the name Richard Hatch before. See, Richard Hatch played a very similar game to Russell 19 seasons earlier. He led a solid alliance that was originally down in numbers to the end, betraying people along the way, except he didn't treat everyone like crap, and guess what? He won. And 8 seasons later he was called back for All-Stars where he was the fifth person voted out and was the only person in the entire cast who wasn't bitter about not winning. He took his loss like a man. But people seem to forget the amazingness of Richard Hatch and think that Russell is the new god of Survivor. He isn't even the greatest player ever in any of the three categories. He damn sure isn't the best social or physical player. He might be up there in the strategic game, but he's not even close to number one. Second, of the three immunity idols that he found, two of them were shown differently in the edit from how he actually found them. The first one he didn't truly find without any clues. It was shown out of order. Yasmin already had the clue and he saw her looking up the tree trunks, and that was when he looked in them to find it, not before. The second one from what I know was legit found with no clues the way we saw it in the edit. The third one when Dave was following him around, the producers stepped in and pulled Dave aside for a confessional, giving Russell time to get the idol without him noticing. The fans were so enamored with Russell that in CBS's "Best Survivor Moment" tournament, they literally voted Russell burning Jaison's socks over Jonny Fairplay's Dead Grandma Lie in the first round. Disgusting. So yeah, Russell ruined Samoa and Surivor as we know it. #421: Someone from the first 10 seasons -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!) http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:1191628] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> At the Reunion, Russell refuses to congratulate Natalie on her win. He says on live TV that she didn't deserve it and she didn't do anything. He also offers her $10,000 if she gives him the title of Sole Survivor, which she refuses, and I cheered for her. Instead of blaming his loss on the fact that he treated everyone like crap, he blames the jury for being bitter that they got outplayed, even despite the fact that Jeff polled the jury and, had the final three been Russell, Jaison and Shambo, Russell would have won in a landslide. Even after the Reunion, Russell's post show interviews reveal that his is still bitter towards Natalie (who had NO control over how the jury voted) and that he believes Dave and Laura belong in a mental institution just because they have not apologized for not voting for him. So basically Russell is awful now. He's a sore loser and a poor sport. But there's one more reason I hate Russell.The fans. Oh God the fans. There are all sorts of fans who think that Russell is some God among men, and that he is the best Survivor player ever. Yet a lot of these people have never heard the name Richard Hatch before. See, Richard Hatch played a very similar game to Russell 19 seasons earlier. He led a solid alliance that was originally down in numbers to the end, betraying people along the way, except he didn't treat everyone like crap, and guess what? He won. And 8 seasons later he was called back for All-Stars where he was the fifth person voted out and was the only person in the entire cast who wasn't bitter about not winning. He took his loss like a man. But people seem to forget the amazingness of Richard Hatch and think that Russell is the new god of Survivor. He isn't even the greatest player ever in any of the three categories. He damn sure isn't the best social or physical player. He might be up there in the strategic game, but he's not even close to number one. Second, of the three immunity idols that he found, two of them were shown differently in the edit from how he actually found them. The first one he didn't truly find without any clues. It was shown out of order. Yasmin already had the clue and he saw her looking up the tree trunks, and that was when he looked in them to find it, not before. The second one from what I know was legit found with no clues the way we saw it in the edit. The third one when Dave was following him around, the producers stepped in and pulled Dave aside for a confessional, giving Russell time to get the idol without him noticing. The fans were so enamored with Russell that in CBS's "Best Survivor Moment" tournament, they literally voted Russell burning Jaison's socks over Jonny Fairplay's Dead Grandma Lie in the first round. Disgusting.So yeah, Russell ruined Samoa and Surivor as we know it.#421: Someone from the first 10 seasons -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!)http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xuxon 05/29/12 3:05:00 PM #56:	predix: another quitter. Osten or Janu. <cite>Xuxon posted [p:1191629] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> predix: another quitter. Osten or Janu. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aecioo 05/29/12 3:15:00 PM #57:	darkx I thought 100% of your Russell hate came from that he reminds me of people that picked on you in school -- http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcb35gGx0t1qailr4o1_500.gif http://www.megavideo.com/?v=57N0YAEJ <cite>Aecioo posted [p:1191630] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> darkx I thought 100% of your Russell hate came from that he reminds me of people that picked on you in school -- http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcb35gGx0t1qailr4o1_500.gifhttp://www.megavideo.com/?v=57N0YAEJ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WilhuffTarkin 05/29/12 3:23:00 PM #58:	Any list that does not have Russell Hantz in the top three is a complete failure. He played the single best strategic game of all time in Survivor: Samoa, and was still easily the best player in Heroes vs. Villains. Shame on you, TC. But to your point that people who like Russell don't know who Richard Hatch is, I personally think that any list without Richard Hatch in the top three as well as Russell is also a complete failure. :) -- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. <cite>WilhuffTarkin posted [p:1191631] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> Any list that does not have Russell Hantz in the top three is a complete failure. He played the single best strategic game of all time in Survivor: Samoa, and was still easily the best player in Heroes vs. Villains. Shame on you, TC.But to your point that people who like Russell don't know who Richard Hatch is, I personally think that any list without Richard Hatch in the top three as well as Russell is also a complete failure. :) -- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 05/29/12 3:29:00 PM #59:	WilhuffTarkin posted... Any list that does not have Russell Hantz in the top three is a complete failure. He played the single best strategic game of all time in Survivor: Samoa, and was still easily the best player in Heroes vs. Villains. Shame on you, TC. But to your point that people who like Russell don't know who Richard Hatch is, I personally think that any list without Richard Hatch in the top three as well as Russell is also a complete failure. :) This isn't necessarily who played the best strategic game though. Some of my top 25 and even top 10 were terrible strategic players. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!) http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:1191632] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> <cite>WilhuffTarkin posted...</cite><quote>Any list that does not have Russell Hantz in the top three is a complete failure. He played the single best strategic game of all time in Survivor: Samoa, and was still easily the best player in Heroes vs. Villains. Shame on you, TC.But to your point that people who like Russell don't know who Richard Hatch is, I personally think that any list without Richard Hatch in the top three as well as Russell is also a complete failure. :)</quote>This isn't necessarily who played the best strategic game though. Some of my top 25 and even top 10 were terrible strategic players. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!)http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WilhuffTarkin 05/29/12 3:32:00 PM #60:	AdmiralZephyr posted... At the Reunion, Russell refuses to congratulate Natalie on her win. He says on live TV that she didn't deserve it and she didn't do anything. He also offers her $10,000 if she gives him the title of Sole Survivor, which she refuses, and I cheered for her. Instead of blaming his loss on the fact that he treated everyone like crap, he blames the jury for being bitter that they got outplayed, even despite the fact that Jeff polled the jury and, had the final three been Russell, Jaison and Shambo, Russell would have won in a landslide. Even after the Reunion, Russell's post show interviews reveal that his is still bitter towards Natalie (who had NO control over how the jury voted) and that he believes Dave and Laura belong in a mental institution just because they have not apologized for not voting for him. So basically Russell is awful now. He's a sore loser and a poor sport. But there's one more reason I hate Russell. Something worth noting: in an interview on Rob Has a Website, Russell revealed that he is now friends with...either Monica or Laura (I think Monica), and Monica has since told him that the jury in Samoa was so bitter about how thoroughly Russell outplayed them that they conspired, before the final tribal council even took place, to cast their votes so that Russell would not win. Apparently they even considered assigning their votes so that Russell couldn't even get SECOND place. -- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. <cite>WilhuffTarkin posted [p:1191633] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted...</cite><quote>At the Reunion, Russell refuses to congratulate Natalie on her win. He says on live TV that she didn't deserve it and she didn't do anything. He also offers her $10,000 if she gives him the title of Sole Survivor, which she refuses, and I cheered for her. Instead of blaming his loss on the fact that he treated everyone like crap, he blames the jury for being bitter that they got outplayed, even despite the fact that Jeff polled the jury and, had the final three been Russell, Jaison and Shambo, Russell would have won in a landslide. Even after the Reunion, Russell's post show interviews reveal that his is still bitter towards Natalie (who had NO control over how the jury voted) and that he believes Dave and Laura belong in a mental institution just because they have not apologized for not voting for him. So basically Russell is awful now. He's a sore loser and a poor sport. But there's one more reason I hate Russell.</quote>Something worth noting: in an interview on Rob Has a Website, Russell revealed that he is now friends with...either Monica or Laura (I think Monica), and Monica has since told him that the jury in Samoa was so bitter about how thoroughly Russell outplayed them that they conspired, before the final tribal council even took place, to cast their votes so that Russell would not win. Apparently they even considered assigning their votes so that Russell couldn't even get SECOND place. -- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WilhuffTarkin 05/29/12 3:35:00 PM #61:	AdmiralZephyr posted... WilhuffTarkin posted... Any list that does not have Russell Hantz in the top three is a complete failure. He played the single best strategic game of all time in Survivor: Samoa, and was still easily the best player in Heroes vs. Villains. Shame on you, TC. But to your point that people who like Russell don't know who Richard Hatch is, I personally think that any list without Richard Hatch in the top three as well as Russell is also a complete failure. :) This isn't necessarily who played the best strategic game though. Some of my top 25 and even top 10 were terrible strategic players. Well...as long as you're willing to admit that if you were ranking based on strategy that you'd have Russell way higher, I guess I can accept it then. I suppose I can understand why some people just don't like him as a person...although I think that in terms of strategy AND entertainment value, he's top tier. -- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. <cite>WilhuffTarkin posted [p:1191634] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted...</cite><quote><cite>WilhuffTarkin posted...</cite><quote>Any list that does not have Russell Hantz in the top three is a complete failure. He played the single best strategic game of all time in Survivor: Samoa, and was still easily the best player in Heroes vs. Villains. Shame on you, TC.But to your point that people who like Russell don't know who Richard Hatch is, I personally think that any list without Richard Hatch in the top three as well as Russell is also a complete failure. :)</quote>This isn't necessarily who played the best strategic game though. Some of my top 25 and even top 10 were terrible strategic players.</quote>Well...as long as you're willing to admit that if you were ranking based on strategy that you'd have Russell way higher, I guess I can accept it then. I suppose I can understand why some people just don't like him as a person...although I think that in terms of strategy AND entertainment value, he's top tier. -- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 05/29/12 3:41:00 PM #62:	If I were ranking based solely on strategy I'd probably have Russell (at least in his Samoa incarnation) around the 20-30 range. HvV and RI not so much. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!) http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:1191635] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> If I were ranking based solely on strategy I'd probably have Russell (at least in his Samoa incarnation) around the 20-30 range. HvV and RI not so much. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!)http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SanityLapse 05/29/12 3:57:00 PM #63:	So if you're ranking contestants based on things they did off the show, how do you determine which season that applies to for multi-season contestants. Like Russell's bitterness about Samoa effects his Samoa ranking I'd assume. But Russell being a lot more humble in comparison during post RI interviews wouldn't affect him poorly, despite his history of being bitter? What if Brian had been on more than 1 season. Would shooting a puppy affect both of his rankings? How does that work for people if you base it on things that happened off the show when they were on more than one season? -- http://kotti.wippiespace.com/survivor/datass2.gif http://tinyurl.com/82d9keg <cite>SanityLapse posted [p:1191636] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> So if you're ranking contestants based on things they did off the show, how do you determine which season that applies to for multi-season contestants. Like Russell's bitterness about Samoa effects his Samoa ranking I'd assume. But Russell being a lot more humble in comparison during post RI interviews wouldn't affect him poorly, despite his history of being bitter? What if Brian had been on more than 1 season. Would shooting a puppy affect both of his rankings? How does that work for people if you base it on things that happened off the show when they were on more than one season? -- http://kotti.wippiespace.com/survivor/datass2.gifhttp://tinyurl.com/82d9keg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BrettEagles 05/29/12 3:59:00 PM #64:	Russell is an amazing strategist, if you consider alienating and pissing off the entire jury a viable strategy. I believe it's usually called "being the goat". He's great with x's and o's of how to move players around to benefit him, but his total lack of even acknowledging the social component of the game makes him terrible at Survivor. And I'm not some Russell hater. I find his antics to be pretty entertaining. But he could play Survivor 100 times and he would never win because he fails to see to how his actions piss people off. -- http://backloggery.com/bretteagles/sig.gif <cite>BrettEagles posted [p:1191637] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> Russell is an amazing strategist, if you consider alienating and pissing off the entire jury a viable strategy. I believe it's usually called "being the goat". He's great with x's and o's of how to move players around to benefit him, but his total lack of even acknowledging the social component of the game makes him terrible at Survivor. And I'm not some Russell hater. I find his antics to be pretty entertaining. But he could play Survivor 100 times and he would never win because he fails to see to how his actions piss people off. -- http://backloggery.com/bretteagles/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SanityLapse 05/29/12 3:59:00 PM #65:	Also, lol I bet I know who #421 is!!!!!!!!! -- http://kotti.wippiespace.com/survivor/datass2.gif http://tinyurl.com/82d9keg <cite>SanityLapse posted [p:1191638] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> Also, lol I bet I know who #421 is!!!!!!!!! -- http://kotti.wippiespace.com/survivor/datass2.gifhttp://tinyurl.com/82d9keg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SanityLapse 05/29/12 4:03:00 PM #66:	BrettEagles posted... But he could play Survivor 100 times and he would never win because he fails to see to how his actions piss people off. Completely disagree. It all depends on the jury. What if Samoa or HvV had a David from RI on the jury who is so impressed that he tries his best to convince all his other jurors to vote for the best strategic player. I'm not saying he is why Boston Rob won RI, but having 1 or 2 people like David on a jury can swing others. Even a whole jury could be made up of people like that. Generally, most juries will care more about the social game, but Russell could still win a season without changing his game at all with the right jury. It's not that unlikely either. -- http://kotti.wippiespace.com/survivor/datass2.gif http://tinyurl.com/82d9keg <cite>SanityLapse posted [p:1191639] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> <cite>BrettEagles posted...</cite><quote>But he could play Survivor 100 times and he would never win because he fails to see to how his actions piss people off.</quote>Completely disagree. It all depends on the jury. What if Samoa or HvV had a David from RI on the jury who is so impressed that he tries his best to convince all his other jurors to vote for the best strategic player. I'm not saying he is why Boston Rob won RI, but having 1 or 2 people like David on a jury can swing others. Even a whole jury could be made up of people like that. Generally, most juries will care more about the social game, but Russell could still win a season without changing his game at all with the right jury. It's not that unlikely either. -- http://kotti.wippiespace.com/survivor/datass2.gifhttp://tinyurl.com/82d9keg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 05/29/12 4:07:00 PM #67:	Juries really need to be sequestered, but then we wouldn't get sweet Ponderosa videos. What a dilemma. -- I'm no longer a Nadal supporter. Andy Murray is my new favorite player/person. -Princess Anri <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:1191640] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> Juries really need to be sequestered, but then we wouldn't get sweet Ponderosa videos.What a dilemma. -- I'm no longer a Nadal supporter. Andy Murray is my new favorite player/person. -Princess Anri </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 05/29/12 4:07:00 PM #68:	SanityLapse posted... So if you're ranking contestants based on things they did off the show, how do you determine which season that applies to for multi-season contestants. Like Russell's bitterness about Samoa effects his Samoa ranking I'd assume. But Russell being a lot more humble in comparison during post RI interviews wouldn't affect him poorly, despite his history of being bitter? What if Brian had been on more than 1 season. Would shooting a puppy affect both of his rankings? How does that work for people if you base it on things that happened off the show when they were on more than one season? Usually it applies to the one nearest to the time that it happens, so Russell's antics in between Samoa and HvV will reflect on his Samoa ranking, his post-HvV antics will be included with his HvV write-up, and his more humble post-RI self will certainly positively impact that ranking. I also look as to whether or not their post-show antics have to do with Survivor, so Brian shooting a puppy, while a horrible, horrible thing, would probably have no affect on any season he would have been on. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!) http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:1191641] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> <cite>SanityLapse posted...</cite><quote>So if you're ranking contestants based on things they did off the show, how do you determine which season that applies to for multi-season contestants. Like Russell's bitterness about Samoa effects his Samoa ranking I'd assume. But Russell being a lot more humble in comparison during post RI interviews wouldn't affect him poorly, despite his history of being bitter? What if Brian had been on more than 1 season. Would shooting a puppy affect both of his rankings? How does that work for people if you base it on things that happened off the show when they were on more than one season?</quote>Usually it applies to the one nearest to the time that it happens, so Russell's antics in between Samoa and HvV will reflect on his Samoa ranking, his post-HvV antics will be included with his HvV write-up, and his more humble post-RI self will certainly positively impact that ranking. I also look as to whether or not their post-show antics have to do with Survivor, so Brian shooting a puppy, while a horrible, horrible thing, would probably have no affect on any season he would have been on. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!)http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pokewars 05/29/12 4:10:00 PM #69:	OF ALL TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME -- Little town... <cite>Pokewars posted [p:1191642] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> OF ALL TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME -- Little town... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 05/29/12 4:11:00 PM #70:	The Mana Sword posted... Juries really need to be sequestered, but then we wouldn't get sweet Ponderosa videos. What a dilemma. I think the only two seasons that this may have changed the winner of are Gabon and Heroes vs. Villains. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!) http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:1191643] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> <cite>The Mana Sword posted...</cite><quote>Juries really need to be sequestered, but then we wouldn't get sweet Ponderosa videos.What a dilemma.</quote>I think the only two seasons that this may have changed the winner of are Gabon and Heroes vs. Villains. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!)http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 05/29/12 4:12:00 PM #71:	Nicaragua too. -- I'm no longer a Nadal supporter. Andy Murray is my new favorite player/person. -Princess Anri <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:1191644] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> Nicaragua too. -- I'm no longer a Nadal supporter. Andy Murray is my new favorite player/person. -Princess Anri </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WilhuffTarkin 05/29/12 4:18:00 PM #72:	AdmiralZephyr posted... If I were ranking based solely on strategy I'd probably have Russell (at least in his Samoa incarnation) around the 20-30 range. HvV and RI not so much. WHAT? Criminal underrating of his Samoa performance! Poor show, sir! And really, how can Russell in HvV not be up near the top as well? He made a bunch of all-star players look like absolute children at the game of Survivor. -- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. <cite>WilhuffTarkin posted [p:1191645] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted...</cite><quote>If I were ranking based solely on strategy I'd probably have Russell (at least in his Samoa incarnation) around the 20-30 range. HvV and RI not so much.</quote>WHAT? Criminal underrating of his Samoa performance! Poor show, sir!And really, how can Russell in HvV not be up near the top as well? He made a bunch of all-star players look like absolute children at the game of Survivor. -- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 05/29/12 4:20:00 PM #73:	They actually made themselves look like children, and he got lucky. But I'll get to them in my HvV rankings. Which by the way, the lowest-ranked one is NOT Russell. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!) http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:1191646] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> They actually made themselves look like children, and he got lucky. But I'll get to them in my HvV rankings. Which by the way, the lowest-ranked one is NOT Russell. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!)http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WilhuffTarkin 05/29/12 4:22:00 PM #74:	Wow. I could not possibly disagree with that statement more. But, I don't want to appear as though I'm here to get on your nerves, so I'll look forward to you backing it up whenever it comes about in your rankings. -- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. <cite>WilhuffTarkin posted [p:1191647] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> Wow. I could not possibly disagree with that statement more. But, I don't want to appear as though I'm here to get on your nerves, so I'll look forward to you backing it up whenever it comes about in your rankings. -- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BrettEagles 05/29/12 4:26:00 PM #75:	I agree that Russell's best shot was in Samoa and a jury member or two could have swung it his way, but he was had no shot in HvV. I mean, he was so reviled by the jury that they wouldn't even vote for Parvati because she was associated with him. Boston Rob is a perfect example of recognizing the power of the jury. He was exactly like Russell in the first All-Stars. He was strategically brilliant, but a complete a to everyone. In the end, he lost because of it. Then he learned humility and completely dominated RI. The only way Russell would ever win is if he completely changed the way he managed people. But instead, he seems to revel in it. Anyways, I don't want this to go off in to another Russell tangent. Great write-ups so far, darkx. -- http://backloggery.com/bretteagles/sig.gif <cite>BrettEagles posted [p:1191648] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> I agree that Russell's best shot was in Samoa and a jury member or two could have swung it his way, but he was had no shot in HvV. I mean, he was so reviled by the jury that they wouldn't even vote for Parvati because she was associated with him. Boston Rob is a perfect example of recognizing the power of the jury. He was exactly like Russell in the first All-Stars. He was strategically brilliant, but a complete a to everyone. In the end, he lost because of it. Then he learned humility and completely dominated RI. The only way Russell would ever win is if he completely changed the way he managed people. But instead, he seems to revel in it. Anyways, I don't want this to go off in to another Russell tangent. Great write-ups so far, darkx. -- http://backloggery.com/bretteagles/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 05/29/12 4:27:00 PM #76:	Nah, dude, I totally respect you intelligently debating your opinion. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!) http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:1191649] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> Nah, dude, I totally respect you intelligently debating your opinion. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!)http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 05/29/12 4:31:00 PM #77:	BrettEagles posted... I agree that Russell's best shot was in Samoa and a jury member or two could have swung it his way Totally agree with this. He could've been a little less of a dick to Jaison and Monica, now he has four of the five votes he needs to win. Brett's vote... is weird. I totally expected him to vote for Russell, and I imagine he may have if he knew a few more of his buddies would. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!) http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:1191650] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> <cite>BrettEagles posted...</cite><quote>I agree that Russell's best shot was in Samoa and a jury member or two could have swung it his way</quote>Totally agree with this. He could've been a little less of a dick to Jaison and Monica, now he has four of the five votes he needs to win. Brett's vote... is weird. I totally expected him to vote for Russell, and I imagine he may have if he knew a few more of his buddies would. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!)http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WilhuffTarkin 05/29/12 4:33:00 PM #78:	After Russell losing Samoa, Boston Rob losing All-Stars is the second biggest travesty in final tribal council history imo, and for the same reasons. But I agree, better to not sidetrack the topic with rants, so instead of doing that I'll just generalize my personal opinion on the matter: people say that the social game is what kills these great strategists at the end, and they aren't wrong. But, I PERSONALLY feel that juries who cannot set aside personal feelings in order to vote for the best strategic player have not voted for the right reasons. They should vote for the best strategic player, and not doing so, to me, shows a lack of maturity. Thus, I feel that Rob should have won All-Stars and Russell should have taken Samoa and HvV. That's just my opinion, though. My saying that is not meant to open up a can of worms here, but rather to quickly sum up my feelings on the matter and to leave the point alone now. -- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. <cite>WilhuffTarkin posted [p:1191651] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> After Russell losing Samoa, Boston Rob losing All-Stars is the second biggest travesty in final tribal council history imo, and for the same reasons.But I agree, better to not sidetrack the topic with rants, so instead of doing that I'll just generalize my personal opinion on the matter: people say that the social game is what kills these great strategists at the end, and they aren't wrong. But, I PERSONALLY feel that juries who cannot set aside personal feelings in order to vote for the best strategic player have not voted for the right reasons. They should vote for the best strategic player, and not doing so, to me, shows a lack of maturity. Thus, I feel that Rob should have won All-Stars and Russell should have taken Samoa and HvV.That's just my opinion, though. My saying that is not meant to open up a can of worms here, but rather to quickly sum up my feelings on the matter and to leave the point alone now. -- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 05/29/12 4:34:00 PM #79:	Like I said, intelligent debates = good. Better than "Zomg resell not first instafail!" anyway. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!) http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:1191652] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> Like I said, intelligent debates = good. Better than "Zomg resell not first instafail!" anyway. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!)http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BrettEagles 05/29/12 4:37:00 PM #80:	Indeed. Intelligent debates are great. Russell is always so polarizing, which is one of the reasons he's so interesting. I don't want to sidetrack the topic though, so we shall agree to disagree! Huzzah. -- http://backloggery.com/bretteagles/sig.gif <cite>BrettEagles posted [p:1191653] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> Indeed. Intelligent debates are great. Russell is always so polarizing, which is one of the reasons he's so interesting. I don't want to sidetrack the topic though, so we shall agree to disagree! Huzzah. -- http://backloggery.com/bretteagles/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SanityLapse 05/29/12 4:39:00 PM #81:	Zomg resell not first instafail! -- http://kotti.wippiespace.com/survivor/datass2.gif http://tinyurl.com/82d9keg <cite>SanityLapse posted [p:1191654] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> Zomg resell not first instafail! -- http://kotti.wippiespace.com/survivor/datass2.gifhttp://tinyurl.com/82d9keg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slanted_Silver 05/29/12 6:03:00 PM #82:	tag -- "The king stay the king." - D'Angelo <cite>Slanted_Silver posted [p:1191655] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> tag -- "The king stay the king." - D'Angelo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naomi_Diamond 05/29/12 10:06:00 PM #83:	Oh gosh, a Russell supporter in the topic. I really want to say a few things, but I'll refrain. Nonetheless I actually like him a lot in Samoa. HvV he's also good, but Samoa is better. As a character, anyway. -- ziggie ziggie wop wop <cite>Naomi_Diamond posted [p:1191656] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> Oh gosh, a Russell supporter in the topic.I really want to say a few things, but I'll refrain.Nonetheless I actually like him a lot in Samoa. HvV he's also good, but Samoa is better. As a character, anyway. -- ziggie ziggie wop wop </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 05/29/12 10:10:00 PM #84:	Russell is the entire reason I watched seasons 10-20 and did that massive watchthrough topic a while back. I'd say that it was worth it. He may never win, but he's constantly entertaining which I think is sometimes more important anyway. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif <cite>FFDragon posted [p:1191657] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> Russell is the entire reason I watched seasons 10-20 and did that massive watchthrough topic a while back.I'd say that it was worth it. He may never win, but he's constantly entertaining which I think is sometimes more important anyway. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE]http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xuxon 05/29/12 10:13:00 PM #85:	oh god don't tell me seasons 10-18 are tainted by Russell in some way and i'm too traumatized to remember <cite>Xuxon posted [p:1191658] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> oh god don't tell me seasons 10-18 are tainted by Russell in some way and i'm too traumatized to remember </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 05/29/12 10:16:00 PM #86:	I was told by some friends and then Dante that I had to watch Samoa because of this Russell character while it was on. So I did and it was awesome. BUT THEN I heard he was going to be on HvV and I refuse to watch an All-Star season without seeing all the previous relevant seasons and I stopped watching after 9 so I had to power through the rest before I could watch Survivor Russell 2. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif <cite>FFDragon posted [p:1191659] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> I was told by some friends and then Dante that I had to watch Samoa because of this Russell character while it was on.So I did and it was awesome. BUT THEN I heard he was going to be on HvV and I refuse to watch an All-Star season without seeing all the previous relevant seasons and I stopped watching after 9 so I had to power through the rest before I could watch Survivor Russell 2. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE]http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xuxon 05/29/12 10:19:00 PM #87:	yeah i knew that. was just kidding. but actually, Fiji didn't have anyone on HvV did it? well i guess Micronesia had Yau so if you had to watch that for HvV you had to watch Fiji for Micronesia <cite>Xuxon posted [p:1191660] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> yeah i knew that. was just kidding. but actually, Fiji didn't have anyone on HvV did it?well i guess Micronesia had Yau so if you had to watch that for HvV you had to watch Fiji for Micronesia </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralZephyr 05/29/12 10:21:00 PM #88:	Xuxon posted... yeah i knew that. was just kidding. but actually, Fiji didn't have anyone on HvV did it Yeah, Yau couldn't get the time off from work again, but they wanted him back again really bad, especially after how screwed over he got in FvF. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!) http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif <cite>AdmiralZephyr posted [p:1191661] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> <cite>Xuxon posted...</cite><quote>yeah i knew that. was just kidding. but actually, Fiji didn't have anyone on HvV did it</quote>Yeah, Yau couldn't get the time off from work again, but they wanted him back again really bad, especially after how screwed over he got in FvF. -- darkx 3DS FC: 5241-2144-5671 (add me and pm me urs!)http://i40.tinypic.com/mabj1t.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 05/29/12 10:22:00 PM #89:	no but at that point it became a completionist thing Plus I was morbidly curious because of how much people railed on that season. It was pretty bad, but the triple switch tribal council almost made it all worth it. And Michelle is adorable and was screwed. oh also under my same rules for HvV I wouldn't have been able to watch FvF without watching Fiji first. That was probably the bigger factor. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif <cite>FFDragon posted [p:1191662] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> no but at that point it became a completionist thingPlus I was morbidly curious because of how much people railed on that season. It was pretty bad, but the triple switch tribal council almost made it all worth it.And Michelle is adorable and was screwed.oh also under my same rules for HvV I wouldn't have been able to watch FvF without watching Fiji first. That was probably the bigger factor. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE]http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xuxon 05/29/12 10:24:00 PM #90:	From: FFDragon \| #088 oh also under my same rules for HvV I wouldn't have been able to watch FvF without watching Fiji first. That was probably the bigger factor. as i realized before you even posted <cite>Xuxon posted [p:1191663] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> <cite>From: FFDragon \| #088</cite><quote>oh also under my same rules for HvV I wouldn't have been able to watch FvF without watching Fiji first. That was probably the bigger factor.</quote>as i realized before you even posted </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 05/29/12 10:24:00 PM #91:	herp derp we can logics -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif <cite>FFDragon posted [p:1191664] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> herp derp we can logics -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE]http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLContests 05/29/12 10:47:00 PM #92:	I don't think juries are really as "bitter" as people say. In my opinion there is basically a three-tier system that determines how people vote: Tier A: Personal Connection -Regardless of whether they were blindsided or not, people tend to vote for finalists that they established a strong positive connection with on a personal level, and vote against contestants who they had a strongly negative personal connection with. This is just human nature. There is nothing in the rules saying juries must vote for whoever was the most "strategic" and if someone asked you to vote for someone out of a random group of people for a million dollars, who wouldn't vote for a good friend, or vote against an enemy. Tier B: Alliance Loyalty -If a jury member doesn't have any personal connection with the finalists they tend to either vote for people they stayed true to an alliance with them or vote against people who weren't true to their alliance. People might call the following type of voting "bitter," but why shouldn't people vote that way? If there weren't any punishments to breaking alliances, what would be the point of making them to begin with? If people knew that everyone would just vote for you in the end anyway, people would go around backstabbing each other, a form of gameplay that is not good for anyone. You have to have some sort of structure in place to keep people in line, and if someone breaks your alliance, voting against them in the end isn't personal, it's just part of the arrangement you made when you entered the alliance. "We all stick together and support each other in the game, and if one of us breaks the agreement, they will face the punishment." It's not fair for someone to reap all the benefits of an alliance, and then not have to incur any of its costs. Voting for someone to win that betrayed you on a strategic level is magnanimous, but a lack of magnanimity doesn't necessarily make someone bitter. Tier C: Disconnected Players: -People that have no connections to the finalists, either personally or strategically, tend to just vote for whoever seems most like a leader. People act as if the Galus voted against Russell because they were in Tier B, but I think a lot of them were drawing their motivation from Tier A as well. They weren't just upset that he voted them out. They honestly thought that Russell was an objectionable human being. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats! This is Yesmar. <cite>LOLContests posted [p:1191665] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> I don't think juries are really as "bitter" as people say. In my opinion there is basically a three-tier system that determines how people vote:Tier A: Personal Connection-Regardless of whether they were blindsided or not, people tend to vote for finalists that they established a strong positive connection with on a personal level, and vote against contestants who they had a strongly negative personal connection with. This is just human nature. There is nothing in the rules saying juries must vote for whoever was the most "strategic" and if someone asked you to vote for someone out of a random group of people for a million dollars, who wouldn't vote for a good friend, or vote against an enemy.Tier B: Alliance Loyalty-If a jury member doesn't have any personal connection with the finalists they tend to either vote for people they stayed true to an alliance with them or vote against people who weren't true to their alliance. People might call the following type of voting "bitter," but why shouldn't people vote that way? If there weren't any punishments to breaking alliances, what would be the point of making them to begin with? If people knew that everyone would just vote for you in the end anyway, people would go around backstabbing each other, a form of gameplay that is not good for anyone. You have to have some sort of structure in place to keep people in line, and if someone breaks your alliance, voting against them in the end isn't personal, it's just part of the arrangement you made when you entered the alliance. "We all stick together and support each other in the game, and if one of us breaks the agreement, they will face the punishment." It's not fair for someone to reap all the benefits of an alliance, and then not have to incur any of its costs. Voting for someone to win that betrayed you on a strategic level is magnanimous, but a lack of magnanimity doesn't necessarily make someone bitter.Tier C: Disconnected Players:-People that have no connections to the finalists, either personally or strategically, tend to just vote for whoever seems most like a leader.People act as if the Galus voted against Russell because they were in Tier B, but I think a lot of them were drawing their motivation from Tier A as well. They weren't just upset that he voted them out. They honestly thought that Russell was an objectionable human being. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats!This is Yesmar. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WilhuffTarkin 05/30/12 9:50:00 AM #93:	LOLContests posted... People act as if the Galus voted against Russell because they were in Tier B, but I think a lot of them were drawing their motivation from Tier A as well. They weren't just upset that he voted them out. They honestly thought that Russell was an objectionable human being. No, they conspired to ensure that Russell WOULD NOT win before the final tribal council even started. It was like a jury alliance, if you will, that apparently didn't include Shambo or John (to their credit). There is absolutely no way he ever could have won that jury, because that's just how many sour grapes they had. It's pretty ridiculous. -- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. <cite>WilhuffTarkin posted [p:1191666] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> <cite>LOLContests posted...</cite><quote>People act as if the Galus voted against Russell because they were in Tier B, but I think a lot of them were drawing their motivation from Tier A as well. They weren't just upset that he voted them out. They honestly thought that Russell was an objectionable human being.</quote>No, they conspired to ensure that Russell WOULD NOT win before the final tribal council even started. It was like a jury alliance, if you will, that apparently didn't include Shambo or John (to their credit). There is absolutely no way he ever could have won that jury, because that's just how many sour grapes they had. It's pretty ridiculous. -- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wg64Z 05/30/12 10:55:00 AM #94:	Loving this topic btw. <cite>wg64Z posted [p:1191667] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> Loving this topic btw. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naomi_Diamond 05/30/12 11:05:00 AM #95:	He could have won that jury by not being an ass hat. -- ziggie ziggie wop wop <cite>Naomi_Diamond posted [p:1191668] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> He could have won that jury by not being an ass hat. -- ziggie ziggie wop wop </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WilhuffTarkin 05/30/12 11:20:00 AM #96:	Naomi_Diamond posted... He could have won that jury by not being an ass hat. Personally, I don't mind people being arrogant or whatever if they can actually back it up with good strategy. Within the context of Survivor, I think that's okay. So, someone like a Russell Hantz or a Jonny Fairplay gets a thumbs up from me, whereas someone like...Judd Sergeant just comes across as a jackass. It may seem like a strange distinction, but it works for me. I also feel like a lot of the moments that people point to and say "this is Russell being a terrible person" shouldn't really be taken so seriously. The dumbass girls alliance? Come on now, it's pretty damn clear that that statement was made with humorous intent. It was funny! In the past few months, I introduced a friend of mine (a girl) to Survivor, and when we got to Samoa she was splitting her sides laughing at that. And like I said earlier: in my opinion, juries who cannot objectively vote for the best strategic player display a lack of maturity. Winning is what people sign up for Survivor to do. The jury in Samoa awarded the title to someone whose accomplishments, like everyone else's, paled in comparison to what Russell achieved. Just because someone like Russell is better at separating whatever personal feelings he may have from the game decisions he needs to make to advance himself, they're going to punish him? Gimme a break. -- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. <cite>WilhuffTarkin posted [p:1191669] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> <cite>Naomi_Diamond posted...</cite><quote>He could have won that jury by not being an ass hat.</quote>Personally, I don't mind people being arrogant or whatever if they can actually back it up with good strategy. Within the context of Survivor, I think that's okay. So, someone like a Russell Hantz or a Jonny Fairplay gets a thumbs up from me, whereas someone like...Judd Sergeant just comes across as a jackass. It may seem like a strange distinction, but it works for me. I also feel like a lot of the moments that people point to and say "this is Russell being a terrible person" shouldn't really be taken so seriously. The dumbass girls alliance? Come on now, it's pretty damn clear that that statement was made with humorous intent. It was funny! In the past few months, I introduced a friend of mine (a girl) to Survivor, and when we got to Samoa she was splitting her sides laughing at that.And like I said earlier: in my opinion, juries who cannot objectively vote for the best strategic player display a lack of maturity. Winning is what people sign up for Survivor to do. The jury in Samoa awarded the title to someone whose accomplishments, like everyone else's, paled in comparison to what Russell achieved. Just because someone like Russell is better at separating whatever personal feelings he may have from the game decisions he needs to make to advance himself, they're going to punish him? Gimme a break. -- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLContests 05/30/12 11:46:00 AM #97:	And like I said earlier: in my opinion, juries who cannot objectively vote for the best strategic player display a lack of maturity. Winning is what people sign up for Survivor to do. But why should someone vote for someone based on that criteria? All the game says is to vote for whomever you want to see win the money. Why shouldn't someone vote based on who they like or dislike? Why is that worse than giving someone money because they made a lot of moves on some arbitrary game show? -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats! This is Yesmar. <cite>LOLContests posted [p:1191670] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> And like I said earlier: in my opinion, juries who cannot objectively vote for the best strategic player display a lack of maturity. Winning is what people sign up for Survivor to do.But why should someone vote for someone based on that criteria? All the game says is to vote for whomever you want to see win the money. Why shouldn't someone vote based on who they like or dislike? Why is that worse than giving someone money because they made a lot of moves on some arbitrary game show? -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats!This is Yesmar. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
muddersmilk 05/30/12 1:02:00 PM #98:	The problem is Russell is supposed to be the most obnoxious person to play with. Not because of being a jerk or whatever, but because he is hyper paranoid and was constantly interrogating and annoying everyone. And I am one of the people that feels that winning over your fellow players in a way that makes them want to vote for you is a big part of the Survivor strategy. -- (Maniac64 at work) All the proteins, vitamins, and carbs of your grandma's best turkey dinner, plus 15% alcohol. <cite>muddersmilk posted [p:1191671] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> The problem is Russell is supposed to be the most obnoxious person to play with. Not because of being a jerk or whatever, but because he is hyper paranoid and was constantly interrogating and annoying everyone.And I am one of the people that feels that winning over your fellow players in a way that makes them want to vote for you is a big part of the Survivor strategy. -- (Maniac64 at work) All the proteins, vitamins, and carbs of your grandma's best turkey dinner, plus 15% alcohol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GaryOak151 05/30/12 1:08:00 PM #99:	dont really agree with the rankings but this is intelligent survivor discussion from most of the people and even darkx darkx you have matured vastly since i first knew you, i actually like your posts now so yeah, tag -- Warning_Crazy Winner of Board 8 Big Brother! "better than ngamer"- nick <cite>GaryOak151 posted [p:1191672] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> dont really agree with the rankings but this is intelligent survivor discussion from most of the people and even darkxdarkx you have matured vastly since i first knew you, i actually like your posts nowso yeah, tag -- Warning_Crazy Winner of Board 8 Big Brother!"better than ngamer"- nick </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naomi_Diamond 05/30/12 1:12:00 PM #100:	Russell didn't deserve to win because he couldn't manage the jury well. Survivor is first a social game. Having a strong social game is much better than anything else! People say "strategic", but having a strong social game is one of the best strategies you can have. Natalie is undervalued due to the flashiness of Russell, but ultimately she connected with the jury and hid behind Russell - a very smart set of decisions that earned her the million. No juries are the same, and you cannot expect a group of people to all be held to a set standard. Just because YOU want them to consider one thing doesn't mean they all will. Juries mostly vote on personal connections/likability first, with strategic merit as a secondary reason. And if you can be personal and slightly likable and back up your decisions well, you'll have it in the bank. It's about YOUR management of them, not the other way around. Russell could not manage them in Samoa and proved it again in HvV. He basically played the same game twice and yet 16 of 18 people didn't care for him or his "strategy". He's a pretty poor strategic player in my opinion, and not even close to the top 30. -- ziggie ziggie wop wop <cite>Naomi_Diamond posted [p:1191673] in darkx rank... [t:62927449]...</cite> <quote> Russell didn't deserve to win because he couldn't manage the jury well. Survivor is first a social game. Having a strong social game is much better than anything else! People say "strategic", but having a strong social game is one of the best strategies you can have. Natalie is undervalued due to the flashiness of Russell, but ultimately she connected with the jury and hid behind Russell - a very smart set of decisions that earned her the million. No juries are the same, and you cannot expect a group of people to all be held to a set standard. Just because YOU want them to consider one thing doesn't mean they all will. Juries mostly vote on personal connections/likability first, with strategic merit as a secondary reason. And if you can be personal and slightly likable and back up your decisions well, you'll have it in the bank. It's about YOUR management of them, not the other way around. Russell could not manage them in Samoa and proved it again in HvV. He basically played the same game twice and yet 16 of 18 people didn't care for him or his "strategy". He's a pretty poor strategic player in my opinion, and not even close to the top 30. -- ziggie ziggie wop wop </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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