Unless you happen to be rich. In that case, we not only don’t want you to leave, but we are going to impose draconian penalties on you if you attempt to do so. The “why don’t you just move” argument has been used against me multiple times, usually by people who have absolutely no idea that the United States is one of the few countries that continues to tax you even if you live overseas and that the only way to escape the tax burden (and the moral culpability for the actions your taxes pay for) is to renounce your citizenship, a long, burdensome, complicated, and expensive process.
So thankfully, Congress is here to make it longer, more burdensome, more complicated, and more expensive. Odd. For a group of people who seemingly hate the rich so much, why are they so against them leaving?
If Congress was TRULY wanting to prevent expatriation by eliminating tax incentives, they’d lower the taxes. But that’s not what they want. They want to make it clear that we are their property, and that resistance is futile.
Name a place that is actually better and not just better in some aspects. I can think of only two: Germany and Australia. Maybe parts of Canada and England.
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Most of the millionaires are going to Singapore. Obviously that place has a ton of problems of its own, but economically it seems to be freer. Hong Kong as well.
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If Congress was TRULY wanting to prevent expatriation by eliminating tax incentives, they’d lower the taxes. But that’s not what they want. They want to make it clear that we are their property, and that resistance is futile.
Just to be clear here: you believe that the democrats aren't simply trying to collect the taxes owed by the ultra-wealthy, and are trying to make some 1984-esque point about treating people as property?
Because that would be silly.
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If taxing people for income earned outside the country is legitimate, why are we the only developed country who does it?
I seriously doubt this is the case. Even if it were, it wouldn't change the fact that we have a major national budget crisis, and making the rich actually pay what they owe is a good way to start fixing the problem.
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They don't actually owe anything. You shouldn't have to pay the government in order to get permission to leave. As Ron Paul says, be careful about building walls, they'll probably be used to keep us in.
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They don't actually owe anything. You shouldn't have to pay the government in order to get permission to leave.
Sure you should, seeing as Eduardo made his billions off of American free enterprise. This country fostered the conditions necessary for his success; him paying what's legally owed is hardly an example of "tyranny."
As Ron Paul says, be careful about building walls, they'll probably be used to keep us in.
Yes, the libertarian paranoia credo: "Any and all government intervention is an inevitable step towards the slippery-slope of absolute oppression."
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Sure you should, seeing as Eduardo made his billions off of American free enterprise.
No he didn't. He made his billions off of his own intelligence, hard work, and willingness to take risks.
In any case, he doesn't owe any back taxes. That's WHY he's trying to renounce his citizenship, which is a perfectly legal way to avoid having to owe taxes.
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No he didn't. He made his billions off of his own intelligence, hard work, and willingness to take risks.
There are plenty of more intelligent, harder working, risk-seeking individuals who couldn't possibly have Eduardo's success simply because they don't live in America. Free enterprise is a powerful thing, and America is one of the few places that has the necessary combination of IP protection and lack of regulation, among other things, that made his success possible in the first place.
Even if you don't want to give the American economic structure its due credit (which seems odd coming from you), at a bare minimum, it was the American public (i.e. taxpayers) who got his project booming. Paying his taxes seems reasonable.
In any case, he doesn't owe any back taxes. That's WHY he's trying to renounce his citizenship, which is a perfectly legal way to avoid having to owe taxes.
Circular reasoning. The question isn't whether or not it is legal, it's whether or not it should be legal (to do freely, at any rate).
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Westbrick posted... No he didn't. He made his billions off of his own intelligence, hard work, and willingness to take risks.
There are plenty of more intelligent, harder working, risk-seeking individuals who couldn't possibly have Eduardo's success simply because they don't live in America. Free enterprise is a powerful thing, and America is one of the few places that has the necessary combination of IP protection and lack of regulation, among other things, that made his success possible in the first place.
Even if you don't want to give the American economic structure its due credit (which seems odd coming from you), at a bare minimum, it was the American public (i.e. taxpayers) who got his project booming. Paying his taxes seems reasonable.
In any case, he doesn't owe any back taxes. That's WHY he's trying to renounce his citizenship, which is a perfectly legal way to avoid having to owe taxes.
Circular reasoning. The question isn't whether or not it is legal, it's whether or not it should be legal (to do freely, at any rate).
yeah america is totally the only country in the world that has produced billionaires
So thankfully, Congress is here to make it longer, more burdensome, more complicated, and more expensive. Odd. For a group of people who seemingly hate the rich so much, why are they so against them leaving?
If the rich leave who will give them millions upon millions of dollars for their reelection campaigns?
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if you love rich people so much why don't you marry them and then move out of the country with them and renounce your citizenship together and then live happily together until the rich people cheat on you with some whore from Borneo
This legislation is novel thinking, IMO. If we start taxing people who aren't US citizens, we expand the potential tax pool to 7 billion people. Goodbye deficit!
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