Board 8 > If you've never played a game like Dota

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don't start. It's like a drug. I've probably uninstalled it like 10x only to reinstall it again.

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Just wait until they add those cosmetics

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More like, just wait until they add Keeper of the Light. The changes they made to him awhile back made him the most fun hero to play.

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Play league of legends:

It is made by some of the original dota creators, but imo took the genre to a really good place.

It still has a relevant competitive scene (not saying dota doesn't, but LoL also does) and a ton of B8ers play.



Inquire within the LoL topic if you want:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/62734229

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play Third Strike, it's a good game



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Last time I played was in my freshman years...what did I use again? The Time spider thing and the Ogre magi, maybe? Oh, that Hydralisk as well.

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I can agree with the 'don't start' comment, but not because it's addictive. The genre practically runs on a core of bad feelings. Unless you're honestly in it to dedicate the time and become the best, roughly 50% of your games will end with someone telling you to kill yourself because you aren't the best. There is no 'casual' in this genre.

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Which is ironic, since its actually like the most casual genre there is gameplay wise <_<

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yeah it's because it's team based and there are easy to understand STATZ for bad players to use to blame other people for the loss

I don't mind all the negativity but yeah if you have any sort of confidence issues or rage issues or depression issues or probably a few other things it's definitely not the genre for you <_<

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I hate Starcraft and I love Warcraft

I bet Dota style games would be right up my alley but I've never tried them

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Dota games are extremely stress inducing. Especially LoL.

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From: YetAnothrShadow | #012
Dota games are extremely stress inducing. Especially LoL.

imo Normal games in LoL can be completely stress free if you approach them with the right mindset.

I do get stressed during ranked games but only because I want to be very good.

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FD you know even more than I do that is simply not true at all.

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From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #014
FD you know even more than I do that is simply not true at all.

o rly? Almost anyone will tell you that I personally do not get snappish/angry/pissed/stressed/rude during the VAST majority of normal games. Once in a blue moon sure, but the idea that your average game of LoL HAS to be a stressful thing is ludicrous.

Will people yell at you? Possibly and probably. Especially when you are new and learning.

Does that mean you have to stress over it? Hell to the no.

I save my stress and intensity for "important" games of LoL.

Best recent example off the top of my head was when Zazi was picking up fiddlesticks. Jungle fiddle to be specific and he knew little about either how to play fiddle or how to jungle. They weren't the best games in the world but he took a lot from them. Not everyone in all of our games was happy about it but Zazi didn't let it bother him (at least not too much as far as I could tell) and it was clear that his priority was to take something good out of each of our normal games.

From: UltimaterializerX | #015
Not only is this not true, but I have seen you snap as well as anyone.

In a normal (unranked) game of LoL? You don't even play. Try harder if you're going to make things up and/or troll please.

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I've taken every game I've ever played seriously, but that's entirely on me.

It's not like being stressed out is a requirement to start up a game. If you choose to let people get to you with their jackass behavior, I wonder how you can enjoy ANY online game.

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Maybe its just my experiences but LoL reminded me a lot of WoW pvp in the sense that you spend most of the time trying to battle against your teammates to not kill farm and actually play the proper objectives rather than against your opponents.

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maybe in low level LoL play before people know that certain characters NEED a high farm and some can be useful to their team without it.


And at the lowest levels of play you typically do not even have a jungler on your team so instead of 2 solos and a dual lane (with jungler ganking and such) you end up with 2 dual lanes and a solo lane and very little interaction between them.

Which means 80% of the team is stuck with a lane mate and everyone things that the farm is more useful on them than anyone else.



The best thing to do is to pick characters who can (a) farm well and (b) USE the farm well and to practice getting good at last hitting while you have bad allies who are foolishly trying to take it from you.


Eventually your account levels up and you stop playing with that class of player though and it becomes more about out playing your opponents instead of out playing your allies.

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Does that mean you have to stress over it? Hell to the no.

Have to? No.
Will you? Yes. Even if a menial amount.

There is no such thing as Stress-less Aeon of Strife.

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I have lost hundreds of games without letting it ruin the experience. Other people are capable of this approach as well.

The fact that the vast majority of people allow themselves to get bent out of shape doesn't mean that it is how it HAS to be or that stress is an innate part of the genre. That's all I'm saying.

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if you have any sort of confidence issues or rage issues or depression issues or probably a few other things it's definitely not the genre for you <_<

I had all of those problems when I started playing lol, and I (hopefully) now have (almost) none. Getting better meant that, even though lol is a game where you need to rely on your teammates to win, I had to take responsibility for my own actions. The question couldn't be, "who can I feel ashamed because of/rage at/get depressed at this time; the only person who's actions I had control over were my own. The only productive thing was try to improve myself.

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FD Blindly praising the inferior game again?

Shocker!

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I have not intention of starting but thanks for the warning.

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I don't think I've played LoL in the last four months.

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Played LoL shortly after its full release, couldn't stand the community. So horribly toxic.

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Go play Super Monday Night Combat.

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Dota ruined warcraft 3's custom map scene, so screw em.

aeon of strife > dota also

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What most people don't understand about LoL's community is that 90% of those guys that call you horrible don't call you horrible if you're a nice guy that admits mistakes and calls other people out in a nice way

i've seen lots of people just rant, some of them being my friends, and that annoys the crap out of people so they'll rant too.



admittedly, i rant a lot too but that's only in random games. And if that gets to you, you're a pretty unstable person. Because that stuff happens in any competitive online game, because well anonimity

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Dota 2 > LoL

sorry lolnerds

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Dota 2 is indeed >>>>> LoL
Although I really don't play either these days! Now that I've finally fixed my computer I'll probably get back into Dota with the next update.

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but DotA 2 is literally just DotA 1. Which is miles behind LoL.

This doesnt work.

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I played LoL for a few days and never went back. Not much of a drug to me.

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red13n posted...
but DotA 2 is literally just DotA 1. Which is miles behind LoL.

This doesnt work.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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DotA 1's only problems are that it looks like ass (by today's standards) and has some engine/interface woes.
Dota 2 fixes all of those problems and adds TONS of flavor.

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Xiahou Shake posted...
DotA 1's only problems are that it looks like ass (by today's standards) and has some engine/interface woes.
Dota 2 fixes all of those problems and adds TONS of flavor.

Pretty much this. DotA 1 is incredibly hard to get into.

DotA 2 is incredibly easy to get into.

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From: OctilIery | #156
Pretty much this. DotA 1 is incredibly hard to get into.

DotA 2 is incredibly easy to get into.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Koala brings up a good point.

If you're ****ing retarded, Dota 2 is still pretty hard to get into.
Really easy for everyone else, though.

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you are lying fool i played dota 3 once and it was so hard what the hell man

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I dont even know why im playing SMNC, since its doing the same thing LoL does only jewier

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Well I know a couple of years ago FD seriously flipped out on me and a few other b8ers when we forfeited without an inhibitor going down because we were getting stomped (and the inhibitor was about to go down anyway). I've played a few unranked/custom games with him since and I'm pretty sure he's mellowed out though.

In any case yeah it's really easy to just shrug off things. I'd say like 95/100 games where people rage I just completely ignore it/roll with it even if it's directed at me (and the other 5 just have me getting slightly irritated, not so much flipping out). But if you're prone to rage or depression or low self esteem as most who are involved with it seem to be (particularly the rage part) then yeah it's a terrible genre to get involved with.

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What is so fun about DOTA? You mean for Warcraft 3? It just seems like a typical game...

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From: UltimaterializerX | #042
You have it totally backwards.

How do you figure?
It seems to me like the more friendly shop interface and the reccomended items section take a pretty enormous load off of newcomers to the game. Yeah, there's not any proper tutorials up yet, but it's not like DotA1 has any of those in-game either.

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Dota 2 is still in beta, anyways. There will probably be an in-game way to look at guides for each character. There is already a system where you can save specific builds for each character to show up in the recommended section. Maybe they will let people upload guides and builds for characters, and have a voting system, and you will be able to go into the Learn tab and save builds from the guides to use next time you play. That would be cool.

Not to mention the coaching system they are adding.

Basically, because Dota 2 is gameplay-wise a copy of Dota 1, they really don't need to worry about developing the actual game. They are just going to focus on adding features to help new players get into the game, because that is easily the worst part of Dota 1.

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but they are still utilizing a game system that exists in the way that it does because it was built around the limitations of the WarCraft 3 engine.

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What's wrong with that?

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_foolmo_
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they didn't even attempt to improve on the model.

"oh this is what we were doing before? Lets replicate it exactly"



Like mages are intel champions for the most part.

Intel turns into mana and mana regen.

Oh and also auto attack damage?

How much sense does that make. Intel is by far the most worthless stat to build except when you're using it into items with good effects like sheepstick.

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The game was balanced around the primary stat system of WC3, and it seems balanced to me, so I don't see the problem. Do you think it could be MORE balanced with a different stat system? Or more fun?

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