Board 8 > I'm fairly certain Jade Curtiss is the best character in gaming.

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tereziWright
04/12/12 8:43:00 PM
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I'm just throwing that out there.

Pretty sure I thought this the first time I played, but I'm playing again and it totally reminded me.

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GuessMyUserName
04/12/12 8:43:00 PM
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but he's not even the best character in his own game

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tereziWright
04/12/12 8:45:00 PM
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He's DEFINITELY the best character in his own game.

But Luke's character arc is still amazing, even if Yuri knocks him out for best leading role overall. As far as overall development goes, Luke beats him.

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GuessMyUserName
04/12/12 8:47:00 PM
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but Luke is still awful so he shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Yuri.

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DSAutoResponder
04/12/12 8:47:00 PM
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cool topic for cool dudes right here
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DSAutoResponder
04/12/12 8:47:00 PM
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and by cool dudes i mean jade
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captaincanadian
04/12/12 8:48:00 PM
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4 out of the 6 of the main party are great

but yeah Jade the best

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HeroDelTiempo17
04/12/12 8:49:00 PM
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Jade is definitely the best in his own game.

I'd have to go with Yuri GODDAMN Lowell for best character though.

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tereziWright
04/12/12 8:50:00 PM
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I'm about halfway through, maybe more (Grand Chokmah), and I'm liking Anise more than I remember, but Natalia a little less. I certainly don't hate any of them (I remember hating Anise). But, I haven't gotten to "that" Anise scene yet, so we'll see.

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
04/12/12 8:51:00 PM
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Jade is perhaps the best shade thrower in gaming history

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Tehmoosey1
04/12/12 8:53:00 PM
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Best character in the game, though not the best in the series. People like Jade because he's a smart, funny guy surrounded by a bunch of unlikable characters. In a game with an all-around good cast like Vesperia, Jade would hardly stand out.

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tereziWright
04/12/12 8:54:00 PM
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Yuri Lowell is definitely number 2 at worst, it's a tough decision.

And I really like Luke a lot taken as a whole. The fact that he's in the running for worst character in the series for a little over a third of the game actually adds to that somehow, I'm pretty impressed by how he was handled. Storywise I don't think anything beats Abyss, it just feels like it's taking itself a lot more seriously than the rest of the series, and that it's a lot easier for me to take seriously as well.

Not to say the opposite direction doesn't work as well, Graces had a pretty bad plot, but the focus on humor and character interaction made up for it. It's when the series tries to find a middle ground, like Vesperia, that the overall story tends to suffer for it (Vesperia of course makes up for that in other ways).

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Psycho_Kenshin
04/12/12 8:56:00 PM
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Jade is a girl's name. =P And Yuri is a dudes name is someplaces but a girl's name in Japan, yes I went there.

I played Vesperia, I found Lloyd more likable than Yuri personally.

As for best character in gaming, Solid Snake.

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Paratroopa1
04/12/12 8:56:00 PM
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Jade is probably the only character ever, in any RPG, who I can buy as a high-ranking, well-connected military badass who still decides to bum around with a ragtag party. That's cool to me for some reason.

Also he's just funny and his voice actor does a fantastic job delivering his lines.
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Jeff Zero
04/12/12 8:56:00 PM
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it just feels like it's taking itself a lot more seriously than the rest of the series,

Well that's good news. Maybe I'll try Abyss if I ever think I ought to give Tales a second chance because boy, Symphonia did not do it for me.

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KamikazePotato
04/12/12 8:57:00 PM
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Iubaris
04/12/12 8:59:00 PM
#17:


Jade can be funny and a badass, but I prefer Luke for interesting, deep characterization.

From: Jeff Zero | #016
Well that's good news. Maybe I'll try Abyss if I ever think I ought to give Tales a second chance because boy, Symphonia did not do it for me.


Abyss has a far better story than Symphonia and Vesperia, by far. Do give it a chance, if you have the time.

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Jeff Zero
04/12/12 8:59:00 PM
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From: Iubaris | #017
Jade can be funny and a badass, but I prefer Luke for interesting, deep characterization.

[quoted text]

Abyss has a far better story than Symphonia and Vesperia, by far. Do give it a chance, if you have the time.


Yeah, one of my good friends kept telling me the same thing. I will!

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tereziWright
04/12/12 8:59:00 PM
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His absolute refusal to deal with the parties bulls*** or to let them drone on or talk about pointless stuff is always great. It's like if an actual snarky college professor from the real world got thrown into a jRPG and just decided to go along with it.

And Kirk Thornton did a f***ing amazing job with the VA, better than anything else he's ever done. Yes, even Gabumon.

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pjbasis
04/12/12 9:00:00 PM
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I must agree with that sentiment, except it still does annoying things.

Phantasia is also a must for 2D RPG fans.

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Paratroopa1
04/12/12 9:00:00 PM
#21:


I think Symphonia has a really corny story and characters but Abyss is surprisingly tolerable (and has 10x better voice acting), so take that as you will.
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tereziWright
04/12/12 9:00:00 PM
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From: KamikazePotato | #015
EDITED for potential spoilers. Click the message detail if you still want to read.


I think you're crazy, TBQH, but if that's what you think.

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Psycho_Kenshin
04/12/12 9:01:00 PM
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I only played oh nine hours of Abyss back in the day gave it to a friend. Personally, the story and characters of that one didn't grab me, so just chimin in with the ol' Symphonia was the best.

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KamikazePotato
04/12/12 9:01:00 PM
#24:


Abyss really doesn't have a good story. I don't want to get into because some people here haven't played the game, but what Abyss has are good ideas. The execution of said ideas range from average to very bad.

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tereziWright
04/12/12 9:01:00 PM
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From: Psycho_Kenshin | #022
I only played oh nine hours of Abyss back in the day gave it to a friend. Personally, the story and characters of that one didn't grab me, so just chimin in the the ol' Symphonia was the best.


Abyss takes some sharp turns, you really missed out. A lot happens in that game.

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KamikazePotato
04/12/12 9:02:00 PM
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Well nothing I said isn't true. It's just what you see as being a badass I see as needlessly being a dick and sometimes incompetence disguised as competence.

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Jeff Zero
04/12/12 9:02:00 PM
#27:


From: Paratroopa1 | #021
I think Symphonia has a really corny story and characters but Abyss is surprisingly tolerable (and has 10x better voice acting), so take that as you will.


Symphonia's one of like five games ever that I had to put down so I'll take that well. :P

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Paratroopa1
04/12/12 9:02:00 PM
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Honestly, good ideas are all I ask for out of an RPG's story. I never expect a truly perfectly-woven narrative, I just hope that they have an interesting setting, likeable characters, and that nothing happens that's so stupid that I want to stab myself. Abyss is 3 for 3 here imo so it passed my test.
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tereziWright
04/12/12 9:02:00 PM
#29:


KP you've often and vocally made your rampant loathing of this game very well known. We know. I'm sorry you feel that way, but I just can't agree.

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KamikazePotato
04/12/12 9:03:00 PM
#30:


Abyss had multiple instances that were dumb enough to make me want to stab myself! Luke's entire storyline in particular is the one of the biggest example of misused potential in gaming.

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KamikazePotato
04/12/12 9:04:00 PM
#31:


tereziWright posted...
KP you've often and vocally made your rampant loathing of this game very well known. We know. I'm sorry you feel that way, but I just can't agree.

Well sorry I can't let your topic be a circlejerk, but some people here are actually interested in the game. I can't let them walk into it blind.

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Paratroopa1
04/12/12 9:05:00 PM
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There's certainly things about Abyss to not like, although honestly I thought they did a fine job with Luke's character arc, in spite of the fact that I was expecting it to spiral into stupidity at any moment. I never thought it did.
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LeonhartFour
04/12/12 9:06:00 PM
#33:


tereziWright posted...
KP you've often and vocally made your rampant loathing of this game very well known. We know. I'm sorry you feel that way, but I just can't agree.

LtM calling somebody out for being too outspoken about something

I never thought I'd see the day

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tereziWright
04/12/12 9:06:00 PM
#34:


I'd be a hypocrite if I said you don't have the right and duty to do that, but let's not mix up opinions with facts here. Telling someone "watch out, the game has bad AI" is different from saying "all the characters are s***ty".

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KamikazePotato
04/12/12 9:07:00 PM
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Not really. Jeff Zero just said that he might try the game because you said the story and characters were good. I disagree. It's just a writing matter instead of a gameplay matter.

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tereziWright
04/12/12 9:07:00 PM
#36:


From: LeonhartFour | #033
tereziWright posted...
KP you've often and vocally made your rampant loathing of this game very well known. We know. I'm sorry you feel that way, but I just can't agree.

LtM calling somebody out for being too outspoken about something

I never thought I'd see the day


I'm evolving.

I've got a copy of FFXII in my home RIGHT NOW that I might give another shot to some day!

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pjbasis
04/12/12 9:07:00 PM
#37:


I'd like to ask what about Symphonia Jeff hated so much.

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tereziWright
04/12/12 9:07:00 PM
#38:


From: KamikazePotato | #035
Not really. Jeff Zero just said that he might try the game because you said the story and characters were good. I disagree. It's just a writing matter instead of a gameplay matter.


True, I see your point.

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Jeff Zero
04/12/12 9:08:00 PM
#39:


From: pjbasis | #037
I'd like to ask what about Symphonia Jeff hated so much.


The dialogue.

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KamikazePotato
04/12/12 9:08:00 PM
#40:


pjbasis posted...
I'd like to ask what about Symphonia Jeff hated so much.

Symphonia is ridiculously corny in every way. I love the game but man it's just so corny. Some people don't care about them. Some can't stand it.

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LeonhartFour
04/12/12 9:09:00 PM
#41:


pjbasis posted...
I'd like to ask what about Symphonia Jeff hated so much.

The beginning of the game is pretty dull and 40% of your party is Genis and Colette.

It's understandable.

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Jeff Zero
04/12/12 9:09:00 PM
#42:


And yeah, for the record, KP, I appreciate your balancing out the opinions. :P

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Jeff Zero
04/12/12 9:09:00 PM
#43:


From: KamikazePotato | #040
Symphonia is ridiculously corny in every way. I love the game but man it's just so corny. Some people don't care about them. Some can't stand it.


Yeah, it was so awfully corny. That really doesn't do it for me.

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LeonhartFour
04/12/12 9:10:00 PM
#44:


Jeff Zero posted...
From: pjbasis | #037
I'd like to ask what about Symphonia Jeff hated so much.
The dialogue.


WHAT IS THIS OMINOUS LIGHT THAT THREATENS TO ENGULF US

We're gonna have so much fun, you and I!

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Paratroopa1
04/12/12 9:10:00 PM
#45:


Let me put it this way for the way it is for me - if dumb RPG writing is a turn off for you, like it is for me, then pretty much any JRPG is sketchy. Abyss is one of the ones I actually like. It has its share of JRPG-y dialog (ALL JRPGs are going to), but for the most part I actually liked it when I thought Symphonia was stupid.
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foolm0ron
04/12/12 9:10:00 PM
#46:


From: pjbasis | #037
I'd like to ask what about Symphonia Jeff hated so much.


Characters, dialogue, plot, graphics, animation, voices

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tereziWright
04/12/12 9:11:00 PM
#47:


Now that I'm playing Abyss in a pretty straight go rather than dividing it up between about 4 other games at the same time (including Symphonia, christ), I'm actually enjoying it far more than I remember, and it's not like I didn't like it in the first place.

RANKING SHAKEUPS are inevitable.

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pjbasis
04/12/12 9:11:00 PM
#48:


Does Abyss really have better dialog though?

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KamikazePotato
04/12/12 9:11:00 PM
#49:


I don't mind ToS being corny because...that's just what it is. I don't take it too seriously.

Meanwhile Abyss definitely tries to be taken seriously, and it sorta failed for me. So I don't like it nearly as much.

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GuessMyUserName
04/12/12 9:12:00 PM
#50:


From: Jeff Zero | Posted: 4/13/2012 12:08:38 AM | #039
The dialogue.


madness

HEHEHEHEHE

COLLECTING GALD FOR ME? ATTEMPTING TO ELIMINATE THE CHOSEN FOR ME?... YOU'VE BEEN QUITE USEFUL FOR ME, MAGNIUS. FAREWELL!

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