Board 8 > Shounen Anime & Manga Discussion Topic 12 - Without Bleach there is no SHINE

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ctesjbuvf
04/09/12 12:13:00 PM
#302:


Man, Erza always brings the very best fights. This was amazing. Azuma's a really great character too. It was pretty cool seeing where Jellal is held. Cameo apparence by filler character Daphne there btw. Jellal needs to get outta there soon.

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ctesjbuvf
04/09/12 1:45:00 PM
#303:


Ultear's crazy insane. Gray is freakin' awesome.

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pjbasis
04/09/12 11:09:00 PM
#304:


6. Bleach

Author: Kubo Tite
Debut: August 2001

What is it, pj?
I don't think I need to do these anymore. ctes might be the only person who hasn't read or watched Bleach, so here's for you boy! Kurosaki Ichigo is blessed (or cursed) with seeing ghosts, and then one day a big old mean ghost attacks him and his family. A person called a Shinigami (or Soul Reaper, if that's your flavor) and attempts to save him. She gets injured trying and then in order to defeat the big demon, called a Hollow, he has to temporarily borrow her powers. The process can't be reversed immediately as she has to heal up and stuff, and the story kicks off from there as the Soul Reaper, Rukia, teaches him about the Shinigami world and how to protect the people from the evil Hollows.

Story
Very cool, at least for a long time. Starts off with great small arcs that pepper the main characters with simple, but effective backstory without falling into the melodrama lots of these shounens tend to do (*coughfairytailcough*), and then explodes into huge ones once you stat getting comfortable. The whole Soul Society arc had me gripped man; so many characters get introduced, the protagonist actually has a compelling motivation and is facing a dire situation, and the plot twists that get thrown at you, it was great. Even as it got into Hueco Mundo, it felt like there was so much more to explore, and then....it ends.
There wasn't much more to explore. Huge build-up for characters that just ended up with demises you could have predicted. Resolutions clean but without theme. The recent stuff has been pretty boring too. Where has the writing and pacing gone? Sure, Bleach was always kinda silly and had a style over substance thing going on, but it managed to do basic storytelling and make it exciting! Bleach has been without...soul lately.
Yet I can't turn my back on it so easily with how great it was for the first half. And this final arc has hope yet.

Characters
Mixed bag. Not because there are bad and good characters, but because of how good characters can be poorly utilized. Ichigo's friends never seem to amount to anything, and all the cool Soul Society crew show up way too often even though what made them cool was ultimately very shallow. Urahara is awesome, Rukia is mostly awesome, Ichigo plays his part well, though he lacks depth, and Aizen is the best villain ever. Also Kenpachi is amazing. Chad, Orihime, and Ishida constantly get the shaft just so Hitsugaya and Byakuya can give you sultry stares. Blech. And what the hell was with Ginjo? So dumb, but as this is a review for the entire series, I'm not going to rant about was just a small percentage of chapters in the end.

Art
Yeah, if it wasn't for this, Bleach might not be worth reading. But it is! Because he is a man of amazing talent and style. Huge panels with characters that never stray from their models and are always drawn as impeccably as if it were a color spread. His characters look varied and always great, from the pretty boys to the manly men, and the women from A cup to EE or however big Rangiku is. When over half your cast wears the same outfit, you damn well better design their heads and body structure well.
Kubo is not a man that merely draws. He directs. The panels are all chosen to maximize the style and cool factor, with angles and wideshots and closeups all used effectively, a visual treat all around. It's why I can't imagine people actually considering the anime close to as good as the manga, where actual thought is given to why the angle is viewing the character a certain way when they say a certain thing. He can make the most mundane conversation sound like the coolest thing in the world is going down, and it's all due to the way he creates manga. He should probably let someone else write next time.

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pjbasis
04/09/12 11:09:00 PM
#305:


Action
Of course the action is a joy to watch, mostly due to the aforementioned style he draws in. But there's more to it, some good and some bad. The good is that despite being a series largely about people with swords, it's as far from the truth as possible. Thanks to the now iconic BANKAI, every character is capable of extremely varied fighting styles. Everyone manages to actually have an interesting power that reflects their personality and makes for a fine spectacle. When you add Hollowfication and Fullbrings into the equation, it just gets better and better.
But then the bad. Much like Reborn, fights aren't really about trading blows, and more about looking cool talking before you reveal why you're going to win and then KO your opponent in one turn. Sometimes you fail and then the opponent will talk about why he was the one that was gonna win after all and KO you. Repeat a few more times until a winner is reached, and that's how the fights tend to go. A shounen connoisseur needs more than cool looking attacks to be satisfied. He wants the fight to feel like...well, a fight! One-sided affairs are only cool every now and then, and attacks need to have strategic value. At their best, fights represent a clashing of ideals and wills, and the fight is not just to deliver thrills but a vehicle for the story. Bleach hardly reaches these levels.

Story: B
Characters: B+
Art: A+
Action: B-

Overall: B+

I'm not hopeful for the future, but hopefully it can stay a B+.
Btw, Fairy Tail would probably fall around this B/B+ tier.

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th3l3fty
04/09/12 11:24:00 PM
#306:


Art: A+

totally disagree with you here; Bleach art is laaaaaaazy

story has been awful since Soul Society arc ended, especially that awful dragged-out fight; characters are completely unmemorable outside of a select few

fights are probably significantly improved by the anime though, considering they're a total mess in the manga

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ctesjbuvf
04/10/12 2:58:00 AM
#307:


Solid write-up.

Chiyo-sama really amazing huh.

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ctesjbuvf
04/10/12 4:20:00 AM
#308:


pjbasis posted...
I don't think I need to do these anymore. ctes might be the only person who hasn't read or watched Bleach, so here's for you boy!

And I actually know what it's basically about too.

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ninkendo
04/10/12 4:34:00 AM
#309:


solid Bleach writeup

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ctesjbuvf
04/10/12 8:19:00 AM
#310:


Damn, so One Piece was canceled because they lost money on the volumes during the last year, which I don't get cause Marineford may be the peak of the series so far, but nothing they can do about that I guess.

Here's hoping Volume 59 sales do so incredibly amazing that they will continue >_> Well in any case, if some volume can do it then it's the death of Ace.

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GranzonEx
04/10/12 8:26:00 AM
#311:


Excellent. Bleach almost breaks top 5!

1. HxH
2. OP
3. Naruto
4. Toriko
5. Bakuman

Those are the only ones left right? That's my predix.

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ctesjbuvf
04/10/12 8:37:00 AM
#312:


Seems like a pretty good predix.

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swordz9
04/10/12 8:38:00 AM
#313:


I'd have two of those series a lot lower than top 5.

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ctesjbuvf
04/10/12 8:39:00 AM
#314:


Virgo is hillarious.

"Why are you in a swimsuit?"

"It's fanservice."

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GranzonEx
04/10/12 8:45:00 AM
#315:


Virgo breaking that 4th wall!

That's pretty recent because I actually remember it o_o

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GranzonEx
04/10/12 8:47:00 AM
#316:


From: swordz9 | #313
I'd have two of those series a lot lower than top 5.


OP and Naruto?

I would agree with Naruto being lower if only because the second half is so divisive. But OP is just too solid to not make the top 5 imo.

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ninkendo
04/10/12 9:14:00 AM
#317:


no more swordz doesn't like One Piece talk plz

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GranzonEx
04/10/12 9:20:00 AM
#318:


Fisherman Island sucks tbqh.

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pjbasis
04/10/12 9:34:00 AM
#319:


Fisherman Island would probably be amazing.

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swordz9
04/10/12 9:37:00 AM
#320:


Yep, OP and Naruto. I wonder just how much WSJ stuff I could even rank. I'm not sure how many series in it I'm reading.

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ninkendo
04/10/12 9:40:00 AM
#321:


GranzonEx posted...
Fisherman Island sucks tbqh.

hey not my fault you don't watch it animated

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pjbasis
04/10/12 9:44:00 AM
#322:


I can't imagine how bad Fishman Island would be if took longer than it already did.

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ninkendo
04/10/12 9:46:00 AM
#323:


That's the wrong attitude to have. Bunch of grumpy mcgrumpers up in here.

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pjbasis
04/10/12 9:47:00 AM
#324:


I'm like opposite of grumpy.

Bad things just deserve to be called out.

Punk Hazard has been stupendous so far.

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ninkendo
04/10/12 9:50:00 AM
#325:


zzz where's the color, voices and music

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ctesjbuvf
04/10/12 9:53:00 AM
#326:


One Piece surely deserves to be top 5, even though I don't know many of the other series. Temped to say the same about Naruto because of the Sasuke Retrieval arc.

GranzonEx posted...
Virgo breaking that 4th wall!

That's pretty recent because I actually remember it o_o


Well I'm 9 episodes behind, and if the anime is close to the manga...

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ninkendo
04/10/12 9:56:00 AM
#327:


oh yeah it's Tuesday no Bleach once again ;_;

I guess I could finally get to last weekend's FT.

A MAGICAL BALL NICE DRESS ERZA

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ninkendo
04/10/12 9:57:00 AM
#328:


external image

best engrish

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swordz9
04/10/12 9:57:00 AM
#329:


It looks like I'd be able to rank Bakuman, Beelzebub, Bleach, D.Gray-Man, HxH, Medaka Box, Naruto, Nurarihyon, One Piece, Reborn, Sket Dance and Toriko. I don't think I missed anything at least.

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pjbasis
04/10/12 10:06:00 AM
#330:


That's a lot dude.

It's only one less than me.

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ctesjbuvf
04/10/12 10:08:00 AM
#331:


If your MAL is correct, then you haven't gotten to the truly amazing parts of One Piece yet though!

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th3l3fty
04/10/12 10:09:00 AM
#332:


ongoing WSJ / Jump SQ stuff I could rank: Bakuman, Beelzebub, Bleach, Claymore, D.Gray-Man, Hunter X Hunter, Magico, Medaka Box, Naruto, Nisekoi, One Piece, Pajama na Kanojo, Rosario+Vampire II

plus from WSM: Air Gear, AKB49, Fairy Tail, GE, Kimi no Iru Machi, Seitokai Yakuindomo
and WSS: Denpa Kyoushi, Hayate no Gotoku!, TWGOK, Kenichi

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swordz9
04/10/12 10:12:00 AM
#333:


Would you really already rank Pajama? Isn't it only 4-5 chapters long right now?

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th3l3fty
04/10/12 10:17:00 AM
#334:


I can rank whatever I want to

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GranzonEx
04/10/12 10:24:00 AM
#335:


WSJ: Bakuman, Bleach, Kuroko, Magico, Naruto, One Piece, and Toriko

WSM: Fairy Tail, GE, NO RAGE

WSS: TWGOK

Jump SQ: Claymore, New Prince of Tennis

Young Animal: Berserk

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th3l3fty
04/10/12 10:26:00 AM
#336:


there is not nearly enough Hayate in that WSS list tbqh

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ninkendo
04/10/12 10:30:00 AM
#337:


I don't bother with much manga but of the ones I do check out


One Piece
Hajime no Ippo
Bleach
Fairy Tail
Naruto


I always said I'd catch up on the Toriko manga once the anime hits a major filler arc, but that hasn't happened yet!

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ctesjbuvf
04/10/12 10:39:00 AM
#338:


Yeah, I'm also more into anime than manga.

I only read:
One Piece
Naruto

and plan to read:
Toriko
Fairy Tail
possibly Bleach at some point

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GranzonEx
04/10/12 10:42:00 AM
#339:


From: th3l3fty | #336
there is not nearly enough Hayate in that WSS list tbqh


I've been meaning to! A friend recommended me to watch the anime which has one of my fav seiyuus. But I have a huge list of stuff to go through so it'll take a while before I can get to it!

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th3l3fty
04/10/12 10:44:00 AM
#340:


Hayate anime ugh

such a botched adaptation

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ctesjbuvf
04/10/12 11:53:00 AM
#341:


Wanted a better Gildarts fight but seriously awesome that Gray defeated Ultear. Now for Hades, which was impossible, but then Laxus showed up!!!

Also Zeref is getting dangerous now. I think he just killed Zancrow. Mest and the other Magic Council guys were seriously frightened by just then word he said.

Now that was 117 episodes. Time for the third Fairy Tail OVA.


Oh and there really is a filler arc in Fairy Tail coming up now. Key of the Starry Sky arc. Five episode titles revealed so far, one has aired. I'll be caught up by the next episode!

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GranzonEx
04/10/12 12:11:00 PM
#342:


From: th3l3fty | #340
Hayate anime ugh

such a botched adaptation


But but Itou Shizuka

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BK_Sheikah00
04/10/12 12:12:00 PM
#343:


It seems like a Lucy-centric arc. I approve.

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th3l3fty
04/10/12 12:20:00 PM
#344:


I will grant you that Hinagiku's VA is good

unfortunately the manga is littered with bad anime-original content and filler

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swordz9
04/10/12 12:35:00 PM
#345:


Lucy already gets plenty of screen time. It'd be nice to see the others get decent screen time even if it's just in a filler arc. FT could always use more Lisanna.

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ctesjbuvf
04/10/12 1:00:00 PM
#346:


That was a fun OVA. They all are. I'm not sure which one I like the most. But the first one was the ultimate piece of fanservice so I'm gonna call that as my favorite.

This one revealed a bit cool stuff about the past though.

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ctesjbuvf
04/10/12 1:01:00 PM
#347:


swordz9 posted...
Lucy already gets plenty of screen time. It'd be nice to see the others get decent screen time even if it's just in a filler arc. FT could always use more Lisanna.

Lisanna I do nnot find too interesting on her own, but I really enjoy Natsu and Lisanna moments. Happy should be part too, maybe Gildarts. Those are the best. Btw, Lucy can't ever get enough screen time. I mean, do you get tired of looking?

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swordz9
04/10/12 1:08:00 PM
#348:


Nothing wrong with Lucy getting screen time, but I don't see the point in getting excited about somebody who already has the most/2nd most screen time being the focus of filler arc/s too. I mean she's already guaranteed to be important the whole series.

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ctesjbuvf
04/10/12 1:35:00 PM
#349:


I suppose she's easy to do a good rated filler arc with too, because she's humour-centric, and she's the main character too imo, along with Natsu. Though the anime actually makes Natsu the main character. She can and will also being fanservice, easy rating support.

We'll get Natsu vs. Laxus here too, stuff like that gives god ratings too, even if the batlle isn't that good.

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BK_Sheikah00
04/10/12 1:57:00 PM
#350:


I'd be more hyped for Laxus vs Gildarts

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GranzonEx
04/10/12 1:58:00 PM
#351:


I'd be hyped for Lucy vs Issei's original pet familiar.

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