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ctesjbuvf
04/06/12 6:55:00 PM
#252:


I'll get super excited for a new opening when it's actually announced! Unless they surprise us like they did with opening 12 Kaze wo Sagashite, but I wouldn't know as I wasn't caught up back then. To me all but one was a surprise somehow.

But until I know there'll be a new opening, totally gonna support We Go! staying.

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ctesjbuvf
04/07/12 9:07:00 AM
#253:


New Naruto ending! Pretty good.

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pjbasis
04/07/12 10:58:00 AM
#254:


7. Katekyo Hitman Reborn!

Author: Amano Akira
Debut: April 2004

What is it, pj?
We finally get to one of the vets (pre-2005) of the magazine and into the best stuff of SJ: Battle Manga! So the premise goes that "No-Good" Sawada Tsunayoshi finds his normal life interrupted by a talking hitman baby named Reborn, who tells him he's the heir of the italian Vongola mafia. Reborn is going to tutor him to run a mafia, which is hard because Tsuna lacks intelligence, physical aptitude, confidence, and even motivation! But when Reborn shoots Tsuna in the head with his special bullet, Tsuna is "Reborn," the last unfulfilled desire he thought of becomes his sole motivation for a few minutes and does everything in his power to achieve it. Pretty zany, huh!? It was the premise of a gag manga that after 7 volumes ditched the genre to hop into full battle mode, but still manages to never ditch its premise, though I suppose it does get forgotten in the complexities of the arc stories.

Characters
Probably where the series falters the most, mostly because of 1-dimensional characters all around. Not that many of them aren't entertaining, but you'd expect the zero-to-hero premise to create a more interesting protagonist. Because of the nature of Tsuna's transformation, he pretty much acts as zero AND hero without development at all. He manages to not have grown at all since the beginning and yet transform into a super cool badass so that he can fight when the battles come up. The transformation IS cool, but still you'd think his normal self would merge or something. Then as part of this team of people, you have a bunch of his friends that are pretty much the most boring side characters you could ever have, just waiting for villain's henchmen to appear so they can get their battles in.
The villains fare much better. The rival protagonists are all anti-hero types that through various circumstances end up helping out Tsuna now and then, and end up having more depth to them even if it's silly sometimes. Can't really say too much without going really in-depth and/or spoiling so we'll just leave it at that. I said villains in the beginning but Reborn! follows Dragon Ball syndrome where the main cast is pretty much full of defeated villains.

Story
Despite Tsuna's story about becoming a mafia boss kind of boring and never really gone into because of the whole "status quo" thing, there are a lot of subplots and backstories that are interesting and slowly get revealed as the series goes on. The reason why a baby is one of the strongest hitman alive, the story of the founding of Vongola, and even Tsuna's own family have cool consequences to the story that are nicely woven into the plot of the current arcs. The author even throws mysteries at the reader, for example, introducing a mysterious character who helps the protagonist, and then disappears without any resolution in the arc he appeared. It's kinda One Piece-like, when the author promises mysteries to be unveiled in the future. Good plot overall that even puts uninteresting characters into interesting positions (or forgets about them if they're that bad).

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pjbasis
04/07/12 10:59:00 AM
#255:


Art
Good stuff. The characters are drawn from lots of different angles, their clothes and backgrounds can get pretty detailed, and there's a whole lot of style, especially in regards to shading. Lots of sharpness and memorable varied designs. Probably one of my favorite artists.

Action
It's pretty good all around. Lots of different styles of fighting, though mostly stylistic differences. A cool energy system that differentiates itself from others. Essentially described as the "flames" of willpower that manifest themselves in all people, based on weather patterns or bodies. For example a person might have Rain flames, Sun flames, or Lightning flames. The flames dictate what kind of properties their moves; a Mist person is usually a master of illusions, while a Cloud person tends to have a weapon that specializes in multiplying or cloning something. Finally, they tend to serve as a horoscope of sorts. The Storm person has a fierce personality and the Sky user is the leader of the group.
There are downsides though. It suffers from the Bleach syndrome of one-sided talky battles being ended by a sudden power-up or new weapon. Exchange of blows isn't common. What makes it worse is that these power-ups and new weapons are usually obsolete by the next major battle. Every arc introduces new additions to the arsenal that are essential to fighting the current villains and then forgotten by the next time. It got a bit better though.
Worth mentioning the humor aspect of the gag portion would probably receive a fairly low grade. It just eventually gets old when each character has their quirk that just gets re-used every chapter. The only new source of material comes from a character introduction, and that eventually stops after about 2 volumes.

Story: B+
Characters: C
Art: A
Action: B

Overall:B+

Didn't expect to write so much! What can I say? Battle shonen is my passion!

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ctesjbuvf
04/07/12 11:12:00 AM
#256:


Lucy's fights are always awesome, because they're so revealing! The woodoo-like doll made it seriously hillarious too.

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ctesjbuvf
04/07/12 11:24:00 AM
#257:


So...

13: Magico
12: Beelzebub
11: Medaka Box
10: Nurarihyon no Mago
9: Kukoro no Basket
8: Sket Dance
7: Katekyo Hitman Reborn!

Still left...

Bakuman
Bleach
Hunter x Hunter
Naruto
One Piece
Toriko

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th3l3fty
04/07/12 11:29:00 AM
#258:


Bleach way too high

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ctesjbuvf
04/07/12 11:34:00 AM
#259:


Lefty apparently gave Bleach 3/10

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LordoftheMorons
04/07/12 12:33:00 PM
#260:


Whoo new FT OP and ED
Looks like Mashima's reusing his Rave joke villains!

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ctesjbuvf
04/07/12 12:58:00 PM
#261:


Augh ****.

This really sucks. Forlaget Carlsen (Danish puplishers of some big manga series) announed that they will no longer puplish One Piece in Volume 59 which came out this week.

They dropped Fullmetal Alchemist and Fruits Basket last year. Naruto would be all they have left then, unless they drop that too. It's suddenly impressive that they managed to complete Dragonball. 1/5 out of now 2 possible.

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ninkendo
04/07/12 1:07:00 PM
#262:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Whoo new FT OP and ED
Looks like Mashima's reusing his Rave joke villains!


since you mentioned them!





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ctesjbuvf
04/07/12 1:16:00 PM
#263:


Seriously, I can't get this out of my mind right now. First there's no new chapter, but hey, Volume 59 to read in Danish now, the peak of the war, all good, and then all terrible again when I get to that page.

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GranzonEx
04/07/12 1:22:00 PM
#264:


Another reason to not buy long running manga :(

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ctesjbuvf
04/07/12 1:26:00 PM
#265:


There's something about going out and buy something great you've been really excited for that I love though, and One Piece deserves my money.

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ninkendo
04/07/12 2:40:00 PM
#266:


the english volumes are only like $10 each

I could totally see myself buying them all when it's all over

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ctesjbuvf
04/07/12 2:47:00 PM
#267:


The Danish volmues aren't a little bit more than. I'm not exactly sure since we don't use dollars. I wanted them all...

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ctesjbuvf
04/07/12 3:29:00 PM
#268:


List of who's most important to kill:

13: Juvia
4: Erza
3: Gildarts
2: Makarov
1: Gray

and that was the trigger for one badass Juvia!

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pjbasis
04/07/12 3:45:00 PM
#269:


That sucks man, a lot.
Maybe they'll pick it up one day?

We got Reborn and Gintama canceled here too after about 20 volumes too.

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ctesjbuvf
04/07/12 3:54:00 PM
#270:


I guess they might. I mean it did sell well enough. Naruto has surpassed it, but it did fine. I emailed them, asking them why they hell they even did so, when it was selling good enough.

Here's still hoping that it's a three day late April Fools joke -_-

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GranzonEx
04/07/12 4:06:00 PM
#271:


The only insurance you can buy is learning Japanese.

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ctesjbuvf
04/07/12 4:43:00 PM
#272:


I also began (re)watching Dragon Ball today. I remembered the first episode quite well. There's some parts out there I haven't watched though. Now I'm going through all of it.

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LordoftheMorons
04/07/12 4:54:00 PM
#273:


GranzonEx posted...
The only insurance you can buy is learning Japanese.

Iunno I took Japanese for three years in high school and was nowhere near fluent enough to read untranslated stuff (and I'm even worse now that a few years have passed!). Seems like way too much work to ensure you can get your manga fix!

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GranzonEx
04/07/12 6:08:00 PM
#274:


Gotta have my manga!

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pjbasis
04/07/12 6:50:00 PM
#275:


And now for Bakuman to race towards the finish too.

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ninkendo
04/07/12 7:29:00 PM
#276:


so the OP/Toriko crossover is an hour long just like last time and one again will mess with the numbering of both shows but hey what can you do

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ninkendo
04/07/12 7:38:00 PM
#277:


looking at the screen caps it seems like it's much better than the 1st crossover and the art looks great....except for one part....

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ninkendo
04/07/12 7:39:00 PM
#278:


and ctes will be happy to know there's a lot of Robin in this one

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pjbasis
04/07/12 7:44:00 PM
#279:


lol Luffy

It bugs me that Sanji doesn't get more prominence in these crossovers.

He's Luffy's chef after all! They're a combo!

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ninkendo
04/07/12 7:48:00 PM
#280:


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that about makes this whole special for me


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ZEBRA

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GranzonEx
04/07/12 8:18:00 PM
#281:


BAKUMAN

My face when reading Bakuman every week:

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GranzonEx
04/07/12 8:24:00 PM
#282:


There's a special place for Bakuman in my heart. I truly am blessed to have followed both Death Note and Bakuman while they were still printing.

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pjbasis
04/07/12 8:27:00 PM
#283:


That would have been cool to follow Death Note like that.

I followed it with English volumes, back when I was a baby manga follower. I don't even know if I had seen anything One Piece related yet. Probably just Dragon Ball and Naruto.

Whatever they do next should be amazing too. Hopefully something completely different too.

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GranzonEx
04/07/12 8:40:00 PM
#284:


I still remember people raging about the second half every week.

It's gonna be interesting to see how much longer they are going to take to wrap this thing up. Still crossing my fingers for a Bakuman manga in the manga!

They've done two mangas that completely breaks the WSJ mold. I'm very excited for their next piece. Maybe they will do something like Panty Flash Fight LOL

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pjbasis
04/07/12 9:23:00 PM
#285:


That would be amazing.

I wonder if WSJ can do survival horror.

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ctesjbuvf
04/08/12 2:15:00 AM
#286:


pjbasis posted...
lol Luffy

It bugs me that Sanji doesn't get more prominence in these crossovers.

He's Luffy's chef after all! They're a combo!


He had a bit in the first crossover.

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ctesjbuvf
04/08/12 2:16:00 AM
#287:


Also, I can't watch it myself until the evening.

Why does this always happen to episodes SHINE really makes me extra excited for. Ctes wants lots of Robin.

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GranzonEx
04/08/12 8:02:00 AM
#288:


Kimi NO RAGE Machi 178

I am disappoint :(

Was looking forward to the middle schooler NTRing Haruto behind Yuzuki's back.

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swordz9
04/08/12 9:03:00 AM
#289:


It's starting to look like every 13th episode of the new HxH anime will be a recap.

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WhiteLens
04/08/12 9:08:00 AM
#290:


From: GranzonEx | #282
There's a special place for Bakuman in my heart. I truly am blessed to have followed both Death Note and Bakuman while they were still printing.


Speaking of this....from a post I saw on OT about the latest chapter of Bakuman...

"If we think about it normally, they'll have a new enemy, like a grey (Near) or gold (Mello) one."
"Is that a joke!?"

Lulz, Ohba and Obata are really bitter about having to extend DN, aren't they?


Gotta like it when the creators make fun of their own work.

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pjbasis
04/08/12 2:18:00 PM
#291:


From: swordz9 | #289
It's starting to look like every 13th episode of the new HxH anime will be a recap.


Oh god.

They have 300+ chapters of source material to work with, are they serious?

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GranzonEx
04/08/12 2:34:00 PM
#292:


From: WhiteLens | #290
Speaking of this....from a post I saw on OT about the latest chapter of Bakuman...

"If we think about it normally, they'll have a new enemy, like a grey (Near) or gold (Mello) one."
"Is that a joke!?"

Lulz, Ohba and Obata are really bitter about having to extend DN, aren't they?


Gotta like it when the creators make fun of their own work.


Yea they've been pretty cool so far with the DN jabs!

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GranzonEx
04/08/12 2:37:00 PM
#293:


Also latest Claymore.

I don't think I recognized Priscilla >_>

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ctesjbuvf
04/08/12 3:21:00 PM
#294:


Subbed version is nowhere yet dammit.

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ctesjbuvf
04/08/12 3:50:00 PM
#295:


Medaka Box and Kukoro no Basket watched, both are entertaining, mostly the latter.

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pjbasis
04/08/12 3:56:00 PM
#296:


Hell yeah.

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ctesjbuvf
04/08/12 4:25:00 PM
#297:


So she's the daughter of Gildarts! Interesting, and now it seems like I'll see him fight, awesome. Although Cana was just about to have a great moment there.

New and good opening and ending too. Mostly the opening. The ending didn't feature any character, instead it's a little trip through all the arcs, except the filler one. That makes it even dumber of them to not make ending 9 focus on Cana.

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ctesjbuvf
04/09/12 9:42:00 AM
#298:


This crossover was pretty good, except for the animation in the Toriko part. One Piece part had good animation. I prefer the best and the hottest character ever over Sanji, so yeah nice change. Though he could be there too, well he was later on. Part 2 was clearly surperior.

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ctesjbuvf
04/09/12 10:16:00 AM
#299:


Freed and Bickslow are back just in time, cause Levi, Lisanna and Lily (oh triple L apparently) couldn't have won that match against Rustyrose. Azuma really became their trumpf card this episode though. Destroying the tree, sucking out the power of all Fairy Tail wizards. That also means he has to fall next for the other mathes to really continue. It better not affect Gildarts vs. Bluenote in a bad way. Ultear isn't fighting Gray so it doesn't really do anything there. If Fairy Tail wins this, Azuma can look back and see that they wouldn't won had he not given Erza the chance to fight.

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ctesjbuvf
04/09/12 11:43:00 AM
#300:


I didn't catch up to Toriko at all before the crossover btw. This century soup arc is pretty good though, I'm continuing with it happily.

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GranzonEx
04/09/12 12:06:00 PM
#301:


Caught up to the Toriko manga today. YES CHINESE THEMED FIGHTERS.

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