Board 8 > Guild Wars 2 has real money trade built into economy. How disappointing.

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Ness26 03/20/12 6:48:00 PM #1:	http://www.arena.net/blog/mike-obrien-on-microtransactions-in-guild-wars-2 In Guild Wars 2 we have three currencies: gold, karma, and gems. Gold is the common in-game currency. Karma, which players earn in-game but cannot trade, is used for unique rewards. And gems are the currency that’s bought and used to purchase microtransactions. We have a new player-driven market that allows players to trade gold for gems and gems for gold. If you want something, whether it’s an in-game item or a microtransaction, you ultimately have two ways to get it: you can play to earn gold or you can use money to buy gems. We think that’s important, because it lets more players participate on a level playing field, whether they use their free time or their disposable income to do it. Oh boy. -- No amount of planning will ever replace dumb luck. <cite>Ness26 posted [p:931447] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> http://www.arena.net/blog/mike-obrien-on-microtransactions-in-guild-wars-2In Guild Wars 2 we have three currencies: gold, karma, and gems. Gold is the common in-game currency. Karma, which players earn in-game but cannot trade, is used for unique rewards. And gems are the currency that’s bought and used to purchase microtransactions.We have a new player-driven market that allows players to trade gold for gems and gems for gold. If you want something, whether it’s an in-game item or a microtransaction, you ultimately have two ways to get it: you can play to earn gold or you can use money to buy gems. We think that’s important, because it lets more players participate on a level playing field, whether they use their free time or their disposable income to do it.Oh boy. -- No amount of planning will ever replace dumb luck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Justin_Crossing 03/20/12 6:50:00 PM #2:	i think people will finally stop whining about microtransactions eventually -- ~Acting on Impulse~ Black Turtle still didn't MAJORA'S MASK <cite>Justin_Crossing posted [p:931448] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> i think people will finally stop whining about microtransactions eventually -- ~Acting on Impulse~Black Turtle still didn't MAJORA'S MASK </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CalvinbalI 03/20/12 6:50:00 PM #3:	So long as they don't pull the dumb tactics that most F2P games pull these days, it should be fine. If they don't make gold prohibitively hard to come by or limit the amount you can gain per day through normal means, then there's nothing to complain about. -- "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy...let's go exploring!" - Calvin http://img.imgcake.com/calvinfinalpngpy.png <cite>CalvinbalI posted [p:931449] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> So long as they don't pull the dumb tactics that most F2P games pull these days, it should be fine. If they don't make gold prohibitively hard to come by or limit the amount you can gain per day through normal means, then there's nothing to complain about. -- "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy...let's go exploring!" - Calvinhttp://img.imgcake.com/calvinfinalpngpy.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 03/20/12 6:51:00 PM #4:	Cool, another way to play the game. Can't wait. <cite>Achromatic posted [p:931450] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> Cool, another way to play the game. Can't wait. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ness26 03/20/12 7:24:00 PM #5:	From: Justin_Crossing \| #002 i think people will finally stop whining about microtransactions eventually I'm fine with microtransactions but this allows any player to become the richest person on the server by paying real money. I guess GW2 is a bit different in that gear supposedly doesn't matter much. Maybe gold will just be nearly useless. -- No amount of planning will ever replace dumb luck. <cite>Ness26 posted [p:931451] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> From: Justin_Crossing \| #002i think people will finally stop whining about microtransactions eventuallyI'm fine with microtransactions but this allows any player to become the richest person on the server by paying real money.I guess GW2 is a bit different in that gear supposedly doesn't matter much. Maybe gold will just be nearly useless. -- No amount of planning will ever replace dumb luck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ayuyu 03/20/12 7:35:00 PM #6:	I don't care since the best equipment can't be bought for gold. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic <cite>Ayuyu posted [p:931452] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> I don't care since the best equipment can't be bought for gold. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gifhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ayuyu 03/20/12 7:36:00 PM #7:	From: CalvinbalI \| #003 So long as they don't pull the dumb tactics that most F2P games pull these days, it should be fine. If they don't make gold prohibitively hard to come by or limit the amount you can gain per day through normal means, then there's nothing to complain about. They won't do that. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic <cite>Ayuyu posted [p:931453] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> From: CalvinbalI \| #003So long as they don't pull the dumb tactics that most F2P games pull these days, it should be fine. If they don't make gold prohibitively hard to come by or limit the amount you can gain per day through normal means, then there's nothing to complain about.They won't do that. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gifhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agesboy 03/20/12 7:37:00 PM #8:	I'm fine with microtransactions but this allows any player to become the richest person on the server by paying real money. This would be a valid complaint if this also did not apply to every MMO ever. There's always going to be real-world trading. Sanctioning it ingame and imposing limits on it is the best way to go about it. -- "Duel audio? You mean like rap battles?" - termina_rzident KrahenProphet and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:931454] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> I'm fine with microtransactions but this allows any player to become the richest person on the server by paying real money.This would be a valid complaint if this also did not apply to every MMO ever.There's always going to be real-world trading. Sanctioning it ingame and imposing limits on it is the best way to go about it. -- "Duel audio? You mean like rap battles?" - termina_rzidentKrahenProphet and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ness26 03/20/12 7:38:00 PM #9:	From: Ayuyu \| #006 I don't care since the best equipment can't be bought for gold. So what can gold be used for? Since it's starting to seem like gold is useless if all equipment is relatively on par with each other. If gold doesn't have some important use then all that's going to happen is that the Gold:Gem conversion rate is going to be enormous and make it effectively impossible to get gems without paying real money anyway. -- No amount of planning will ever replace dumb luck. <cite>Ness26 posted [p:931455] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> From: Ayuyu \| #006I don't care since the best equipment can't be bought for gold.So what can gold be used for?Since it's starting to seem like gold is useless if all equipment is relatively on par with each other. If gold doesn't have some important use then all that's going to happen is that the Gold:Gem conversion rate is going to be enormous and make it effectively impossible to get gems without paying real money anyway. -- No amount of planning will ever replace dumb luck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ayuyu 03/20/12 7:40:00 PM #10:	From: Ness26 \| #009 So what can gold be used for? Since it's starting to seem like gold is useless if all equipment is relatively on par with each other. If gold doesn't have some important use then all that's going to happen is that the Gold:Gem conversion rate is going to be enormous and make it effectively impossible to get gems without paying real money anyway. Crafting mats, potions (If they exist, like buff potions), other things! -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic <cite>Ayuyu posted [p:931456] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> From: Ness26 \| #009So what can gold be used for?Since it's starting to seem like gold is useless if all equipment is relatively on par with each other. If gold doesn't have some important use then all that's going to happen is that the Gold:Gem conversion rate is going to be enormous and make it effectively impossible to get gems without paying real money anyway.Crafting mats, potions (If they exist, like buff potions), other things! -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gifhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ness26 03/20/12 7:41:00 PM #11:	From: agesboy \| #008 This would be a valid complaint if this also did not apply to every MMO ever. The last MMO I played was 6 years ago and it was small enough where RMT wasn't a huge issue, so I'm probably a bit out of touch here. Just going with my kneejerk reaction here. I was assuming all of the microtransactions would be for unimportant things like cosmetic items, more character slots, name changes, etc, but seeing it affecting the economy has me a bit concerned. Perhaps it'll work out. -- No amount of planning will ever replace dumb luck. <cite>Ness26 posted [p:931457] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> From: agesboy \| #008This would be a valid complaint if this also did not apply to every MMO ever.The last MMO I played was 6 years ago and it was small enough where RMT wasn't a huge issue, so I'm probably a bit out of touch here.Just going with my kneejerk reaction here. I was assuming all of the microtransactions would be for unimportant things like cosmetic items, more character slots, name changes, etc, but seeing it affecting the economy has me a bit concerned. Perhaps it'll work out. -- No amount of planning will ever replace dumb luck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ayuyu 03/20/12 7:41:00 PM #12:	Worked well enough for EVE. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic <cite>Ayuyu posted [p:931458] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> Worked well enough for EVE. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gifhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ness26 03/20/12 7:43:00 PM #13:	From: Ayuyu \| #010 Crafting mats, potions (If they exist, like buff potions), other things! What use is crafting if it results in weapons/armor that isn't any better? You could sell what you make for gold... to buy more crafting materials?! I mean, you've come up with one actual answer and then potions "If they exist." -- No amount of planning will ever replace dumb luck. <cite>Ness26 posted [p:931459] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> From: Ayuyu \| #010Crafting mats, potions (If they exist, like buff potions), other things!What use is crafting if it results in weapons/armor that isn't any better? You could sell what you make for gold... to buy more crafting materials?!I mean, you've come up with one actual answer and then potions "If they exist." -- No amount of planning will ever replace dumb luck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ayuyu 03/20/12 7:44:00 PM #14:	Well that's what I've got so far, we know nearly nothing about items in this game so I can't say much! -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic <cite>Ayuyu posted [p:931460] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> Well that's what I've got so far, we know nearly nothing about items in this game so I can't say much! -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gifhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ness26 03/20/12 7:44:00 PM #15:	From: Ayuyu \| #012 Worked well enough for EVE. Isn't EVE the game where one bad fight cost a group of players thousands of real-world dollars in ships? -- No amount of planning will ever replace dumb luck. <cite>Ness26 posted [p:931461] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> From: Ayuyu \| #012Worked well enough for EVE.Isn't EVE the game where one bad fight cost a group of players thousands of real-world dollars in ships? -- No amount of planning will ever replace dumb luck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 03/20/12 7:46:00 PM #16:	Where are the people that laughed at D3's RMAH? <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:931462] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> Where are the people that laughed at D3's RMAH? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ayuyu 03/20/12 7:47:00 PM #17:	I don't know much about the game so I can't say for sure, I just know the model was used in this game and did good! Also I'll post this picture because it makes me want to play EVE so much : -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic <cite>Ayuyu posted [p:931463] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> I don't know much about the game so I can't say for sure, I just know the model was used in this game and did good!Also I'll post this picture because it makes me want to play EVE so much : -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gifhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ayuyu 03/20/12 7:48:00 PM #18:	From: GranzonEx \| #016 Where are the people that laughed at D3's RMAH? D3' RMAH allows you to buy equipement that gives you an advantage over other players though, totally different than what we have here. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic <cite>Ayuyu posted [p:931464] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> From: GranzonEx \| #016Where are the people that laughed at D3's RMAH?D3' RMAH allows you to buy equipement that gives you an advantage over other players though, totally different than what we have here. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gifhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ness26 03/20/12 7:48:00 PM #19:	From: GranzonEx \| #016 Where are the people that laughed at D3's RMAH? I was thinking of this. I remember people furious at Blizzard for this and saying they were money-grabbing. Then again, Diablo is a game that's solely about item drops so it's fairly different. -- No amount of planning will ever replace dumb luck. <cite>Ness26 posted [p:931465] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> From: GranzonEx \| #016Where are the people that laughed at D3's RMAH?I was thinking of this. I remember people furious at Blizzard for this and saying they were money-grabbing. Then again, Diablo is a game that's solely about item drops so it's fairly different. -- No amount of planning will ever replace dumb luck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ayuyu 03/20/12 7:50:00 PM #20:	And seriously, Anet wants to make GW2 an e-sport, do you really think they made this decision lightly? No. If there was any risk for the balance of the game ultimately they would've went for another model. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic <cite>Ayuyu posted [p:931466] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> And seriously, Anet wants to make GW2 an e-sport, do you really think they made this decision lightly? No.If there was any risk for the balance of the game ultimately they would've went for another model. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gifhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ayuyu 03/20/12 7:54:00 PM #21:	Oh and I was just confirmed max crafting gear is pretty much as good as dungeon gear. It's just a matter of look really, dungeon gear looks better! I guess transmutation stones are something people will pay a lot of gold for. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic <cite>Ayuyu posted [p:931467] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> Oh and I was just confirmed max crafting gear is pretty much as good as dungeon gear.It's just a matter of look really, dungeon gear looks better!I guess transmutation stones are something people will pay a lot of gold for. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gifhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ayuyu 03/20/12 8:03:00 PM #22:	http://www.thetyrianorder.com/home/m/2850070/article/638922 Understanding the Gem System. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic <cite>Ayuyu posted [p:931468] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> http://www.thetyrianorder.com/home/m/2850070/article/638922Understanding the Gem System. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gifhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phase 03/20/12 9:01:00 PM #23:	My first thought: "What is there to RMT in GW? Isn't all max level (which is pretty damn easy to get) gear completely identical aside from how they look in GW anyways?" Yup. So essentially a way to buy nicer looking armor. And you can't even use it on PvP exclusive stuff. -- assert(!hotterThan(foo, "Hot Nymphomaniacal Lesbian Mind-Controlling Dominatrix Fairy Doctors with glasses")) <cite>Phase posted [p:931469] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> My first thought: "What is there to RMT in GW? Isn't all max level (which is pretty damn easy to get) gear completely identical aside from how they look in GW anyways?"Yup. So essentially a way to buy nicer looking armor. And you can't even use it on PvP exclusive stuff. -- assert(!hotterThan(foo, "Hot Nymphomaniacal Lesbian Mind-Controlling Dominatrix Fairy Doctors with glasses")) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverythingRuned 03/20/12 9:09:00 PM #24:	it almost makes me wonder what the maximum amount of money i could feel obligated to spend per month is and whether they could tell me that ahead of time and let me pay it on a subscription basis <cite>EverythingRuned posted [p:931470] in Guild Wars... [t:62307369]...</cite> <quote> it almost makes me wonder what the maximum amount of money i could feel obligated to spend per month isand whether they could tell me that ahead of time and let me pay it on a subscription basis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Board 8 > Guild Wars 2 has real money trade built into economy. How disappointing. (+) Yeah! (+)

Board 8 > Guild Wars 2 has real money trade built into economy. How disappointing.