Board 8 > I'm starting to think the N64 may be the best console.

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Westbrick
03/17/12 7:13:00 PM
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I mean, we all know it's got a very limited number of total games, but part of me wants to argue that it's a quality-over-quantity situation. Great racing games (MK64, DKR, F-Zero X), great action-adventure games (OoT / MM, both Bomberman games, both Banjo games), great shooter games (SF64 / S&P), great FPS games (007 / PD), great sports games (Mario Tennis / Golf for life), great party games (Mario Party), great platformers (SM64, Kirby, DK), and some pretty solid RPGs in Paper Mario, Ogre Battle 64, and the Pokemon Stadium games. Even for the genre the system's lacking, fighters, there's Smash.

I don't know, am I just crazy?

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malyg
03/17/12 7:15:00 PM
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You forgot Conkers Bad Fur Day.
The best 64 platformer =)

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20three
03/17/12 7:17:00 PM
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From: malyg | #002
You forgot Conkers Bad Fur Day.
The best 64 platformer =)


I'd agree with this if it was actually available to purchase today at a reasonable price, no way I my parents were going to get that for me at age 10...

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Princess Anri
03/17/12 7:17:00 PM
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From: Westbrick | #001
I don't know, am I just crazy?


Yes.

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StifledSeagulls
03/17/12 7:19:00 PM
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It's definitely my favorite console.

Don't forget Pilotwings 64!

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RappinHobo9292
03/17/12 7:20:00 PM
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Definitely agree with N64 being the best

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SuperAngelo128
03/17/12 7:22:00 PM
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It is my personal favorite

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AdmiralZephyr
03/17/12 7:27:00 PM
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It's certainly in the running.

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OmarsComin
03/17/12 7:29:00 PM
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it's a great multiplayer console (maybe the best ever) with a decent single player experience and an awful controller

as a whole package it's worse than the PS2, SNES, and Genesis. it's ideal for friendly multiplayer though. if I was throwing a small group party and only wanted to bring one console I'd bring the N64.

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Princess Anri
03/17/12 7:31:00 PM
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From: OmarsComin | #009
it's a great multiplayer console (maybe the best ever) with a decent single player experience and an awful controller

as a whole package it's worse than the PS2, SNES, and Genesis. it's ideal for friendly multiplayer though. if I was throwing a small group party and only wanted to bring one console I'd bring the N64.


Sometimes I think your posts are my posts.

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The Real Truth
03/17/12 7:36:00 PM
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From: OmarsComin | #009
it's a great multiplayer console (maybe the best ever) with a decent single player experience and an awful controller

as a whole package it's worse than the PS2, SNES, and Genesis. it's ideal for friendly multiplayer though. if I was throwing a small group party and only wanted to bring one console I'd bring the N64.


Yeah this

Though I don't know what Genesis is doing there with PS2 and SNES

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Princess Anri
03/17/12 7:36:00 PM
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Careful, Real Truth.

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TheCodeisBosco
03/17/12 7:39:00 PM
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It's no SNES. Nothing is, except perhaps the Genesis.

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LeonhartFour
03/17/12 7:41:00 PM
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From: OmarsComin | #009
it's a great multiplayer console (maybe the best ever) with a decent single player experience and an awful controller


Sounds about right. There aren't very many N64 games I'd put on a favorites list that aren't primarily multiplayer games.

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rychu_supadude
03/17/12 7:47:00 PM
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N64 obviously has extreme nostalgia for being my first console, and I love it to death, but Banjo-Kazooie, Paper Mario, and Majora's Mask are the only games I've played that I would call instant and undeniable classics.

SNES and DS have much better claims to being the best, in my opinion.
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Westbrick
03/17/12 8:04:00 PM
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I wouldn't put the Genesis on the N64's level, personally. The "big three" I normally see mentioned are the SNES, DS, and PS2, all great choices. I dunno, I think my judgment might be clouded by the drunk Mario Party get-together I had a few weeks ago!

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GuessMyUserName
03/17/12 8:16:00 PM
#17:


I adore my N64, but overall I'd say it's my second least-favourite Nintendo console.

There's just way too few titles compared to everything else I've got tons of stuff.for.

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GuessMyUserName
03/17/12 8:18:00 PM
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From: GuessMyUserName | Posted: 3/17/2012 11:16:14 PM | #017
I adore my N64, but overall I'd say it's my second least-favourite Nintendo console.

There's just way too few titles compared to everything else I've got tons of stuff.for.





however, I have to say I've got my fondest multiplayer memories with it.

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LeonhartFour
03/17/12 8:18:00 PM
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Literally quoting yourself in the next post

what

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Xuxon
03/17/12 8:19:00 PM
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he quoted instead of edited i bet. i do that all the time, only i usually catch it before i post.

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BK_Sheikah00
03/17/12 8:20:00 PM
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Now I want to play some Pokemon Stadium mini-games. Also, you forgot Pokemon Puzzle League and Jet Force Gemini.

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Wanglicious
03/17/12 8:22:00 PM
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sorry, it's one of the worst. it has some quality, but less than most other systems, and their age shows too on a lot of 'em. hell, if you're going for quality, the Saturn comes out ahead of it. n64's forte is zelda and platformers. ps1's forte was rpgs and a dozen genres with great stuff in 'em.

and counting the stadium games for anything says a lot.

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Xuxon
03/17/12 8:24:00 PM
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hey now, the Pokemon Stadium games were actually fun, unlike the main series

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GuessMyUserName
03/17/12 8:26:00 PM
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From: Xuxon | Posted: 3/17/2012 11:19:14 PM | #020
he quoted instead of edited i bet


yep

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GuessMyUserName
03/17/12 8:27:00 PM
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also I will be soooo disappointed if Wii U doesn't get a Pokemon Snap sequel

I mean come the **** on, as soon as you see the "point the controller at the screen and see a zoomed in shot on the controller screen", Pokemon Snap 2 is the immediately first idea you can possibly think of.

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Wanglicious
03/17/12 8:31:00 PM
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i'm still surprised we didn't get one for the DS.
and i'll be shocked if there's no pokemon snap for the 3ds. we ALREADY HAVE a 3D Pokedex! it's literally the game that stuff like AR was meant for.

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GuessMyUserName
03/17/12 8:37:00 PM
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From: Wanglicious | Posted: 3/17/2012 11:31:07 PM | #026
and i'll be shocked if there's no pokemon snap for the 3ds. we ALREADY HAVE a 3D Pokedex!


heck, we already have an AR camera focused game in that Fatal Frame spin-off!

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Westbrick
03/17/12 9:55:00 PM
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sorry, it's one of the worst. it has some quality, but less than most other systems, and their age shows too on a lot of 'em. hell, if you're going for quality, the Saturn comes out ahead of it. n64's forte is zelda and platformers. ps1's forte was rpgs and a dozen genres with great stuff in 'em.

and counting the stadium games for anything says a lot.


This is such a hater post.

Seriously, comparing the Saturn to anything is going to be insulting. What does it have, NiGHTs and, uh... Shining Tears or whatever ?

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TheKnightOfNee
03/17/12 9:57:00 PM
#29:


Does anyone ever look back and realize how terribly most early 3D games have aged?

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TheKoolAidShoto
03/17/12 9:59:00 PM
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90% of the games in the PS1-N64-Saturn era look like jagged s***, and play accordingly. It was such an awkward transition period for gaming between 2d and 3d, and the technology just wasn't there yet except "hey, this mess of polygons kinda sorta looks like a human!"

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GuessMyUserName
03/17/12 10:00:00 PM
#31:


I actually think most N64 games have aged really well


with the obvious exception of all the FPS titles since they didn't have dual-analog

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Shoenin_Kakashi
03/17/12 10:06:00 PM
#32:


Goldeneye and PD still play the same as I played them as a wee lad
Dunno what the hell you guys were expecting














(Bring back the AKI made WCW/WWF games)

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Westbrick
03/17/12 10:24:00 PM
#33:


I actually think most N64 games have aged really well

Definitely! Super Mario 64 is still one of the best platformers ever.

And for what it's worth, the PSOne has aged way worse than the N64.

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LeonhartFour
03/17/12 10:26:00 PM
#34:


Mario 64 isn't even top 5 for its own series.

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Westbrick
03/17/12 10:27:00 PM
#35:


Mario 64 isn't even top 5 for its own series.

Better than Sunshine and Galaxy, for sure! (Galaxy 2 comes close.)

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LeonhartFour
03/17/12 10:27:00 PM
#36:


From: Westbrick | #035
Better than Sunshine


Post should've ended here.

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GuessMyUserName
03/17/12 10:28:00 PM
#37:


lol leon

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LeonhartFour
03/17/12 10:29:00 PM
#38:


GMUN loling

One way to know I'm on the right track

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ZFS
03/17/12 10:30:00 PM
#39:


Wouldn't even say it was the best system in its own time.

Pretty far down the line on just Nintendo systems, too.

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amdragon22391
03/17/12 10:34:00 PM
#40:


ZFS beat me to saying it wasn't even the best of its gen.

Not even close to best ever.

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Westbrick
03/17/12 10:54:00 PM
#41:


All the PSOne had over the N64 was RPGs (a mediocre genre to begin with <_<).

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ZFS
03/17/12 10:57:00 PM
#42:


RPGs, Platformers, fighters, shumps, action / adventure. PS1 had a little bit of everything.

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LeonhartFour
03/17/12 10:59:00 PM
#43:


From: Westbrick | #041
All the PSOne had over the N64 was RPGs (a mediocre genre to begin with <_<).


Pretty sure the PS1 outclasses the N64 in any single-player genre except maybe platformers.

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foolm0ron
03/17/12 11:12:00 PM
#45:


From: LeonhartFour | #043
Pretty sure the PS1 outclasses the N64 in any single-player genre except maybe platformers.


Crash and Spyro match whatever N64 has pretty readily

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LeonhartFour
03/17/12 11:30:00 PM
#46:


Well, that's why I said "maybe." It's not as clear cut as some people think, but some people don't like Crash and Spyro, for whatever the reason...!

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HanOfTheNekos
03/17/12 11:35:00 PM
#47:


LeonhartFour posted...
Well, that's why I said "maybe." It's not as clear cut as some people think, but some people don't like Crash and Spyro, for whatever the reason...!

A real person can't dislike Spyro.

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Westbrick
03/17/12 11:38:00 PM
#48:


RPGs, Platformers, fighters, shumps, action / adventure. PS1 had a little bit of everything.

Shmups -> I'm not familiar enough with the PSOne library to know what "the best" shmups are for the system, but can they really be better than Star Fox 64 / Sin & Punishment? There's also a Japan-only Treasure title that's apparently really good.

Fighters -> Yep.

Action / Adventure -> Again, hard to imagine what games can compare to the Zelda games, Banjo Kazooie, etc. Are you thinking of games like Metal Gear Solid?


I hope we can at least agree that the N64 wins in the racing department.

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Wanglicious
03/17/12 11:48:00 PM
#49:


Seriously, comparing the Saturn to anything is going to be insulting. What does it have, NiGHTs and, uh... Shining Tears or whatever ?

....Panzer Dragoon Saga is the first thing you should mention, for one. best RPG that gen and one of the best of all time, period. that's the crowning jewel of the system, not NiGHTS.

two, the Saturn was a fighting game paradise. if the N64 was platformers (debatable) and the PS1 was RPGs (not debatable), the Saturn was fighters (also not debatable). the pad, hardware, and games all were meant for 2D and it shows very clearly with their fighters.

three, it was also the system shmups went to. Treasure did two games on it, Guardian Heroes and Radiant Silvergun, the latter of which is probably the best game they've ever made. sure the latter never made it stateside, but it's not like it was difficult to... manipulate that system. <<;

four, how the hell do you mention Shining Tears and not Shining Force 3?

five, Saturn shared some games with the PS1. sadly, most of these are japanese only or inferior to the ps1's counterparts (not all are, but anything needing 3d probably was).

six, Panzer Dragoon Zwei was pretty damn good. seriously, the ONE series that started on the Saturn and made its way to another console and you picked Shining Tears over it?

seven, you want to talk about party games? try Bomberman. 10 people local multiplayer.

eight, for a rather unknown game even for the system (and i only found out about it relatively recently), Astal. 2D platformer and... actually still quite good. nowadays we're praising rayman origins, el shaddhai, or anything from vanillaware - games where the background and setting matters. Astal predates that. handrawn beautiful fantasy world with a soundtrack to match. one of the better games that nobody's ever played.



so no, that's not a "hater post." that's a "the N64 really was a pretty bad system and if you're going to talk about quality that gen, you had better talk about the Saturn because if you're naming off a handful, that system might have the best quality." catch is, once you get past the first 10, you're pretty much done. has fantastic quality, had miserable quantity.

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foolm0ron
03/18/12 12:02:00 AM
#50:


From: Westbrick | #033
And for what it's worth, the PSOne has aged way worse than the N64.


This is definitely true

Except for some gems like CTR and MGS, which somehow still hold up perfectly today.

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