Board 8 > Has George Lucas tried to defend Episode I-III?

Topic List
Page List: 1, 2
o___Okami
03/03/12 7:46:00 AM
#1:


Or has he admitted they didn't turn out as great as he wanted them?
Because I don't see how anyone In their right mind could be satisfied with how Anakin was handled in those movies.

So yeah has he tried to address the criticism at all?

--
I used to play Skyrim but then I took a patch to the knee.
... Copied to Clipboard!
BrettEagles
03/03/12 7:48:00 AM
#2:


He's too busy counting the piles of cash they raked in to worry about how bad they were.

--
http://backloggery.com/bretteagles/sig.gif
... Copied to Clipboard!
WazzupGenius00
03/03/12 10:40:00 AM
#3:


"It rhymes, it's like poetry."

--
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8840/crashsig.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
Big Bob
03/03/12 10:41:00 AM
#4:


People really need to f***ing let it go.

--
SuperNiceDog took my lunch money.
... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperAngelo128
03/03/12 10:42:00 AM
#5:


People will probably like Anakin way more in the Clone Wars movie/series

sadly not many people have seen those

--
http://www.backloggery.com/superangelo128 http://myanimelist.net/profile/superangelo128 http://vndb.org/u6633/votes http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/7524301
... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes
03/03/12 10:52:00 AM
#6:


From: Big Bob | #004
People really need to f***ing let it go.


Basically

Star Wars fans.

I swear.

--
Something something something
^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig
... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke
03/03/12 10:57:00 AM
#7:


They're awful movies. Why should we suddenly stop complaining about them? I don't hear people saying we should stop talking about The Room, either.
... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne
03/03/12 11:01:00 AM
#8:


No one whines about The Room though. We love that it's horrible.

--
http://img.imgcake.com/fitgirljpgta.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks
03/03/12 11:03:00 AM
#9:


Big Bob posted...
People really need to f***ing let it go.

This.

Lasa, we don't have topics about The Room every f***ing week

--
XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism.
... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName
03/03/12 11:04:00 AM
#10:


From: Mr Lasastryke | Posted: 3/3/2012 1:57:35 PM | #007
I don't hear people talking about The Room



--
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m122/alt0165/Hyeri6.gif
... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5
03/03/12 11:11:00 AM
#11:


From: BrettEagles | #002
He's too busy counting the piles of cash they raked in to worry about how bad they were.



--
Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/106/bestgamesofalltimer.png
... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid
03/03/12 11:19:00 AM
#12:


The man has a wall around himself that's a mile high, no bad thoughts can get in. How's that for insecure?

--
**R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D**
... Copied to Clipboard!
DigitalIncision
03/03/12 11:21:00 AM
#13:


He no longer verbally defends things, just sends his daughter, an MMA fighter, to beat wholesale ass.

--
Digi ... Check out http://outoftreble.com/
... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid
03/03/12 11:22:00 AM
#14:


I'd at least take solace in the fact, guys, that for the most part general society has accepted that the prequel films are bad. Try being a reader and having to explain why Eragon is bad over and over and over because the general populace still gets a hard-on over the blatant lie that a thirteen year old wrote the thing.

--
**R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D**
... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes
03/03/12 11:25:00 AM
#15:


Not liking something something=/=Practically holding a witch hunt for almost 13 years.

Guess which one Star Wars fans tend to do!

I'm not saying you have to like the prequels or anything, but the type of behaviour Star Wars fans perform is just unacceptable. There are people on this very board who wish George Lucas was dead just so the prequels never happened. Not even making that up, people actually said that. Apparently I was the only one who took issue with that, which is disgraceful. And that's not all. That's just one example. Any mention of the prequels brings out the absolute worst in people.

They weren't even that bad. Episode III was even outright good on its own. Maybe even better than Episode VI. But even Episodes I and II were mediocre to slightly bad at worst, certainly not comparable to The Room. They had great effects which still stand up today, competent technical direction, good cinematography, fantastic music, some good performances, and some straight up excellent action scenes. Flawed? Yes, very. But certainly not awful, and certainly not worth this level of indecency and obsession.

Of course even if they WERE awful, it wouldn't be worth that. They're only movies, guys. Let go. It's okay that you don't like them, move on.

--
Something something something
^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig
... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes
03/03/12 11:34:00 AM
#16:


From: Robazoid | #055
I'd at least take solace in the fact, guys, that for the most part general society has accepted that the prequel films are bad.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120915/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121765/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/

Not really. Two okay scores and one really good one. I think it's time to learn that your opinion isn't law. And that makes this whole thing even more sad.

And it further emphasises what I'm saying. Let people think what they want guys, it's only opinions. Everybody's entitled to theirs. For instance, if somebody says they prefer the prequels to the originals, please don't blow up and act like they have some sort of mental illness.

Decency, people.

--
Something something something
^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig
... Copied to Clipboard!
MZero11
03/03/12 11:35:00 AM
#17:


From: Lightning Strikes | #013
I'm not saying you have to like the prequels or anything, but the type of behaviour Star Wars fans perform is just unacceptable. There are people on this very board who wish George Lucas was dead just so the prequels never happened.


My uncle worked on S.T.A.L.K.E.R Shadow of Chernobyl and I saw a whole thread of people who wanted him dead >_>

It was... weird

--
MZero, to the extreme
case you people gave love a bad name-ertyu
... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5
03/03/12 11:35:00 AM
#18:


Honestly, this wouldn't come up nearly this much if George didn't keep prodding the wound with crap like the Blu-ray Collection and, uh... this.



--
Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police
http://i54.tinypic.com/2ib126v.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5
03/03/12 11:37:00 AM
#19:


From: Lightning Strikes | #015
I think it's time to learn that your opinion isn't law.


You have no sense of irony.

--
Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police
http://i52.tinypic.com/2nar4wm.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid
03/03/12 11:38:00 AM
#20:


Robazoid posted...
I'd at least take solace in the fact, guys, that for the most part general society has accepted that the prequel films are bad. Try being a reader and having to explain why Eragon is bad over and over and over because the general populace still gets a hard-on over the blatant lie that a thirteen year old wrote the thing.

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrr

--
**R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D**
... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke
03/03/12 11:41:00 AM
#21:


There are people on this very board who wish George Lucas was dead just so the prequels never happened.

That's completely ridiculous, but that hasn't happened in this topic, so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up here. Whenever anyone says something negative about the prequels, even if they're legitimate complaints, I see you going "GOOD GOD STAR WARS FANS." Why are you doing this?

As for the prequels not being awful, obviously that's an opinion. I personally did think they were awful, though you could make the case for III merely being "bad". I didn't mean to say they're as bad as The Room, I was just bringing that movie up as an example.

And as for people here complaining about the prequels every other week - well, yeah, lately there's been a big increase in prequel bashing. Not sure why that is. We do have a lot of passionate Star Wars fans on the board, though, so it's understandable that "the prequels are terrible" is a subject you're going to see here with some frequency.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5
03/03/12 11:46:00 AM
#22:


From: Mr Lasastryke | #020
And as for people here complaining about the prequels every other week - well, yeah, lately there's been a big increase in prequel bashing. Not sure why that is.


I think it's because Phantom Menace 3D just came out, so people are probably seeing commercials and hearing their friends/co-workers/what-have-you talk about it.

--
Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police
http://i54.tinypic.com/n2mvt4.gif
... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket
03/03/12 11:47:00 AM
#23:


A lot of the hate would die down if Lucas would re-release the original version of the original trilogy. Instead he is literally trying to erase it from history.

--
From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch
... Copied to Clipboard!
MarvelousGerbil
03/03/12 11:53:00 AM
#24:


YOU ARE TEARING ME APART GEORGE LUCAS!

--
http://oi44.tinypic.com/juac5w.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke
03/03/12 11:54:00 AM
#25:



... Copied to Clipboard!
Dauntless Hunter
03/03/12 11:55:00 AM
#26:


From: redrocket | #023
A lot of the hate would die down if Lucas would re-release the original version of the original trilogy. Instead he is literally trying to erase it from history.


This is definitely the worse offense of the two.

--
SuperNiceDog may be the Guru Champion...
But SuperBowlGiants are the NFL Champions!
... Copied to Clipboard!
DaruniaTheGoron
03/03/12 12:00:00 PM
#27:


Oh hai haters

Uhha ha ha..

--
http://www.last.fm/user/VinnyMendoza
"This is all we have... when we die.."
... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes
03/03/12 12:05:00 PM
#28:


From: Mr Lasastryke | #101
There are people on this very board who wish George Lucas was dead just so the prequels never happened.

That's completely ridiculous, but that hasn't happened in this topic, so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up here. Whenever anyone says something negative about the prequels, even if they're legitimate complaints, I see you going "GOOD GOD STAR WARS FANS." Why are you doing this?

As for the prequels not being awful, obviously that's an opinion. I personally did think they were awful, though you could make the case for III merely being "bad". I didn't mean to say they're as bad as The Room, I was just bringing that movie up as an example.

And as for people here complaining about the prequels every other week - well, yeah, lately there's been a big increase in prequel bashing. Not sure why that is. We do have a lot of passionate Star Wars fans on the board, though, so it's understandable that "the prequels are terrible" is a subject you're going to see here with some frequency.


It was an example. And I'm like that because it's really reptitive, people get this badly behaved every time the issue is broached (just wait until ShadowHalo shows up, for one notable problem child) and I think that after almost 13 years it's time to stop whining and feel secure in our own opinions.

And you're right, whether the prequels are bad or not is all opinion. Don't act like it isn't. People here do. Look at the very first post.

Perhaps I should counterbalance with a "the prequels were okay" topic.

--
Something something something
^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig
... Copied to Clipboard!
Aecioo
03/03/12 12:06:00 PM
#29:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
There are people on this very board who wish George Lucas was dead just so the prequels never happened.

That's completely ridiculous, but that hasn't happened in this topic, so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up here. Whenever anyone says something negative about the prequels, even if they're legitimate complaints, I see you going "GOOD GOD STAR WARS FANS." Why are you doing this?

As for the prequels not being awful, obviously that's an opinion. I personally did think they were awful, though you could make the case for III merely being "bad". I didn't mean to say they're as bad as The Room, I was just bringing that movie up as an example.

And as for people here complaining about the prequels every other week - well, yeah, lately there's been a big increase in prequel bashing. Not sure why that is. We do have a lot of passionate Star Wars fans on the board, though, so it's understandable that "the prequels are terrible" is a subject you're going to see here with some frequency.


The fact that you have seen all of these topics is the point.

When was the last time we had a "ugh KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL WHAT DID YOU DOOOO" topic.

People are allowed to say that Star Wars fans are fanatically bad because they keep making these topics, so people keep responding.

ps kingdom of the crystal skull is probably a worse offense than the prequels

--
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcb35gGx0t1qailr4o1_500.gif
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=57N0YAEJ
... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket
03/03/12 12:08:00 PM
#30:


And you're right, whether the prequels are bad or not is all opinion.

This is technically true. But if you think the prequels were anything better than mediocre, you have really bad opinions.

--
From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch
... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5
03/03/12 12:14:00 PM
#31:


From: Lightning Strikes | #027
it's time to stop whining and feel secure in our own opinions.


From: Rad Link 5 | #018
You have no sense of irony.



--
Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police
http://i54.tinypic.com/vcw0ax.gif
... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes
03/03/12 12:15:00 PM
#32:


From: Robazoid | #060
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrr


You know you said general society but didn't post any evidence at all. And I had at least something to suggest otherwise.

So...?

Also Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is indeed worse than the prequels.

From: redrocket | #110
And you're right, whether the prequels are bad or not is all opinion.

This is technically true. But if you think the prequels were anything better than mediocre, you have really bad opinions.


What the hell is a bad opinion anyway? Are you having an opinion about my opinion? That's fine I guess, but the way you're using it is pretty offensive since you're implying that people are somehow wrong for liking the prequels. They are not. You do not have to agree with them, but you do have to respect, perhaps even understand, their opinions.

--
Something something something
^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig
... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon
03/03/12 12:18:00 PM
#33:


I don't think it's the fact that people think the movies are "outright bad". It's more that they do not do a justice to the series.

They didn't even need to be SUPER AMAZING to 'do justice' to the previous films.

I do not think I would not have minded a "mediocre movie" episode 1 as long as I felt it did justice to Star Wars as we knew it.

--
http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/fdshieldpngyn.png Eff_Dee
http://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName
03/03/12 12:24:00 PM
#34:


From: Lightning Strikes | Posted: 3/3/2012 3:15:07 PM | #031
You do not have to agree with them, but you do have to respect, perhaps even understand, their opinions.


no you don't

there's a difference between an opinion you don't agree with, and an opinion that is actually bad

Superman 64 > Ocarina of Time for example, would be an atrocious opinion

--
http://www.gamerhandles.com/sig/GuessMyUserName.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes
03/03/12 12:26:00 PM
#35:


Ah I see you understand what I'm talking about fully, Rad Link. My opinion has nothing to do with it, nor does anybody else's. What I'm talking about is how people behave when it comes to those opinions, which is to say poorly.

By the way, you are the one with no sense of irony. Because you clearly don't understand what that word means. You see that first sentence, at the top of this post?



There's my sense of irony for you.

--
Something something something
^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig
... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes
03/03/12 12:28:00 PM
#36:


From: GuessMyUserName | #154
no you don't

there's a difference between an opinion you don't agree with, and an opinion that is actually bad

Superman 64 > Ocarina of Time for example, would be an atrocious opinion


That's a bit different because games can be technically bad rather than just artistically bad. Films can be too, but it's not nearly as big an issue there if something is technically off. Artistic merit on the other hand is entirely subjective.

--
Something something something
^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig
... Copied to Clipboard!
MarvelousGerbil
03/03/12 12:31:00 PM
#37:


Good things about the prequel trilogy existing:

1) Star Wars Episode 1 Racer
2) Star Wars: The Clone Wars animated series
3) uh... can we attribute KOTOR's existence to the prequels?

--
http://oi44.tinypic.com/juac5w.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket
03/03/12 12:33:00 PM
#38:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
I don't think it's the fact that people think the movies are "outright bad". It's more that they do not do a justice to the series.

They didn't even need to be SUPER AMAZING to 'do justice' to the previous films.

I do not think I would not have minded a "mediocre movie" episode 1 as long as I felt it did justice to Star Wars as we knew it.


This is pretty much true.

That being said, the prequels unfortunately really are "outright bad".

--
From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch
... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525
03/03/12 12:35:00 PM
#39:


MarvelousGerbil posted...
Good things about the prequel trilogy existing:

1) Star Wars Episode 1 Racer
2) Star Wars: The Clone Wars animated series
3) uh... can we attribute KOTOR's existence to the prequels?


4) JEDI MOTHERF***ING POWER BATTLES

--
TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man.
"You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon
03/03/12 12:35:00 PM
#40:


From: Lightning Strikes | #036
games can be technically bad rather than just artistically bad.




How Young Anakin was written/directed was empirically bad. This is not an opinion. His character is just too much at odds with what we knew he would become and there are 'wtf moments' like "Yippee!" that are undefendable.


And then turning Jar Jar into a SENATOR? Lets just forget that jar jar in episode 1 was the way he was. I suppose they "needed" a native guide, but they did not need to make him a companion for the entire movie. Name a character from the original trilogy who they included simply to use for cheap jokes. "meesa clumsy!". There isn't another character like him in SW. But then even after doing that and after learning how poorly he was received they decided to not only bring him back, but to make him a SENATOR in star wars canon?

A lot of it just feels like Lucas says "oh hey all you star wars fans who love and respect the series so much. Yeah you. **** you all."

He seems to have no concept of how special Star Wars is for so many people. Or he understands and simply doesn't care.

--
http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/fdshieldpngyn.png Eff_Dee
http://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525
03/03/12 12:41:00 PM
#41:


How Young Anakin was written/directed was empirically bad. This is not an opinion. His character is just too much at odds with what we knew he would become and there are 'wtf moments' like "Yippee!" that are undefendable.

Yeah! In the history of storytelling, no character has EVER gone through any sort of emotional and/or physical trauma that has caused a major shift in personality and motivations. IT'S NEVER HAPPENED!

I mean, feel free to hate the movies and all but saying that Anakin doesn't work because "he's not Vader" is pretty bad. He's like a 10 year old kid. Of course he's not going to be like Vader. That was kind of the point: at one time, Vader wasn't always this evil a******.

Anakin didn't work because the dialogue was weak and the acting was worse, not cause he's "at odds with what we knew he would become."

--
TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man.
"You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle.
... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken
03/03/12 12:45:00 PM
#42:


I don't know, but I finally got around to watching the Episode IV rerelease a few days ago, and was *astounded* that all the crying came from the altered Greedo scene. Really? Crying over that? If anything, it now looks like they shot at each other at the same time. Who cares

--
We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable
... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon
03/03/12 12:46:00 PM
#43:


From: TheRock1525 | #041
Anakin didn't work because the dialogue was weak and the acting was worse, not cause he's "at odds with what we knew he would become."


I'm not saying he needed to be dark and evil seeming... Just that except for at the very end with "you are afraid and this is why fear is bad" was there anything besides "i'm a little kid". Just everything about his character does not feel genuine?

--
http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/fdshieldpngyn.png Eff_Dee
http://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5
03/03/12 12:47:00 PM
#44:


From: Lightning Strikes | #034
stuff


Irony comes in many forms.

Bender is describing verbal irony.

The irony is that that's not the only type of irony.

--
Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police
http://i56.tinypic.com/j952zk.gif
... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks
03/03/12 12:47:00 PM
#45:


When was the last time we had a "ugh KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL WHAT DID YOU DOOOO" topic.

People are allowed to say that Star Wars fans are fanatically bad because they keep making these topics, so people keep responding.

ps kingdom of the crystal skull is probably a worse offense than the prequels


So much truth in this statement

--
http://i.imgur.com/GH3sK.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525
03/03/12 12:48:00 PM
#46:


DeathChicken posted...
I don't know, but I finally got around to watching the Episode IV rerelease a few days ago, and was *astounded* that all the crying came from the altered Greedo scene. Really? Crying over that? If anything, it now looks like they shot at each other at the same time. Who cares

Technically that's the second edit, I believe. The first edit, Greedo shoots first with a slight delay until Han shoots. The second edit, they both shoot at the same time with Greedo JUST shooting a bit earlier.

It was a weird edit, to be certain. Though the fan reaction to it was laughably over-the-top.

--
TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man.
"You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen
03/03/12 12:50:00 PM
#47:


People hate on Jar Jar too much. There were plenty of stupid aliens in the original trilogy. Ewoks being the big problem but there were plenty strewn throughout the movie. The Cantina and Jabba's Palace also have a few laughably bad ones. Ewoks are the only ones that approach Jar Jar levels of exposure, mind you.

--
No problem!
This is a cute and pop genocide of love!
... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon
03/03/12 12:51:00 PM
#48:


The cantina scene just has a room full of miscellaneous aliens. It serves it's purpose.

Luke and Obi-wan do not pick up an annoying alien and make him a constant companion for the entire film.

--
http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/fdshieldpngyn.png Eff_Dee
http://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525
03/03/12 12:55:00 PM
#49:


Jar Jar's "zany" antics didn't bother me nearly as much as the Ewoks taking down the Emperor's "best" troops.

"Gently tap them to death!"

--
TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man.
"You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Grand Kirby
03/03/12 12:56:00 PM
#50:


From: TheRock1525 | #046
DeathChicken posted...
I don't know, but I finally got around to watching the Episode IV rerelease a few days ago, and was *astounded* that all the crying came from the altered Greedo scene. Really? Crying over that? If anything, it now looks like they shot at each other at the same time. Who cares

Technically that's the second edit, I believe. The first edit, Greedo shoots first with a slight delay until Han shoots. The second edit, they both shoot at the same time with Greedo JUST shooting a bit earlier.

It was a weird edit, to be certain. Though the fan reaction to it was laughably over-the-top.


Yeah. The first edit was amazingly sloppy. Han literally slides to one side, then shoots afterwards.

--
Okay, I rolled a 14. What's that mean? Hsu
That you're a cheater. This is a 12-sided die. Chan
... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List
Page List: 1, 2