Board 8 > Why is diving allowed in soccer?

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Weakupedia 02/27/12 6:15:00 PM #1:	It's like the bull***tiest thing out there and is probably the one thing that pisses me off the most when I'm watching matches on TV. Everyone should get like this guy: http://www.wimp.com/lionelmessi/ -- XS2 is the only good Xenosaga game* - Lady Ashe <cite>Weakupedia posted [p:845794] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> It's like the bull****tiest thing out there and is probably the one thing that pisses me off the most when I'm watching matches on TV.Everyone should get like this guy:http://www.wimp.com/lionelmessi/ -- XS2 is the only good Xenosaga game - Lady Ashe </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Emporer_Kazbar 02/27/12 6:18:00 PM #2:	Diving is the same as flopping, right? -- Will not remove this line of my signature until the Seahawks, Jazz or Rockies win a title (Started 5-16-09) SuperNiceDog: Guru winner <cite>Emporer_Kazbar posted [p:845795] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> Diving is the same as flopping, right? -- Will not remove this line of my signature until the Seahawks, Jazz or Rockies win a title (Started 5-16-09)SuperNiceDog: Guru winner </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpeedYoshi 02/27/12 6:19:00 PM #3:	its not -- Don't worry guys, I have all the clubs SuperNiceDog barked up the right tree. <cite>SpeedYoshi posted [p:845796] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> its not -- Don't worry guys, I have all the clubsSuperNiceDog barked up the right tree. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Weakupedia 02/27/12 6:20:00 PM #4:	i mean i'm no soccer pro but it's ***ing obvious when players dive, and regardless of whether or not the rulebook says it's not allowed, i see it all the time. -- XS2 is the only good Xenosaga game* - Lady Ashe <cite>Weakupedia posted [p:845797] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> i meani'm no soccer probut it's ****ing obvious when players dive, and regardless of whether or not the rulebook says it's not allowed, i see it all the time. -- XS2 is the only good Xenosaga game - Lady Ashe </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Emporer_Kazbar 02/27/12 6:20:00 PM #5:	[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster] <cite>Emporer_Kazbar posted [p:845798] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> [This message was deleted at the request of the original poster] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CoolCly 02/27/12 6:20:00 PM #6:	The funniest (or maybe worst) part about it is that a lot of fans will defend it as part of the game. A friend of mine explained it to me as "a technique for drawing cards." He said it with a completely straight face. I couldn't believe it. -- The batman villians all seem to be one big joke that batman refuses to laugh at - SantaRPG <cite>CoolCly posted [p:845799] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> The funniest (or maybe worst) part about it is that a lot of fans will defend it as part of the game. A friend of mine explained it to me as "a technique for drawing cards." He said it with a completely straight face. I couldn't believe it. -- The batman villians all seem to be one big joke that batman refuses to laugh at - SantaRPG </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VintageGin 02/27/12 6:21:00 PM #7:	-- Ginhyun http://img.imgcake.com/Ginhyun/dog198jpgry.jpg <cite>VintageGin posted [p:845800] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> -- Ginhyunhttp://img.imgcake.com/Ginhyun/dog198jpgry.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naomi_Diamond 02/27/12 6:24:00 PM #8:	Bad toppppic. It's not allowed. You'll get carded. Also it is a technique for drawing cards. If you can get it to work, more power to you. -- ziggie ziggie wop wop http://tinyurl.com/7rseben <cite>Naomi_Diamond posted [p:845801] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> Bad toppppic.It's not allowed. You'll get carded.Also it is a technique for drawing cards. If you can get it to work, more power to you. -- ziggie ziggie wop wophttp://tinyurl.com/7rseben </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Weakupedia 02/27/12 6:25:00 PM #9:	*Naomi_Diamond posted...* Bad toppppic. It's not allowed. You'll get carded. Also it is a technique for drawing cards. If you can get it to work, more power to you. sounds pretty scummy tbh -- XS2 is the only good Xenosaga game - Lady Ashe <cite>Weakupedia posted [p:845802] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> Naomi_Diamond posted...Bad toppppic.It's not allowed. You'll get carded.Also it is a technique for drawing cards. If you can get it to work, more power to you.sounds pretty scummy tbh -- XS2 is the only good Xenosaga game - Lady Ashe </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naomi_Diamond 02/27/12 6:26:00 PM #10:	It's very scummy. Thank you for noticing. -- ziggie ziggie wop wop http://tinyurl.com/7rseben <cite>Naomi_Diamond posted [p:845803] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> It's very scummy. Thank you for noticing. -- ziggie ziggie wop wophttp://tinyurl.com/7rseben </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 02/27/12 6:28:00 PM #11:	It's not allowed. People have gotten carded for it. It just doesn't happen that often because it's pretty damn hard for the refs to actually see it since they don't have the benefit of being shown a super close up replay of everything like people watching on TV get, so it won't get called unless its fairly blatant. -- Mistake you're making - overlooking the fact that we might not want to be saved. <cite>Panthera posted [p:845804] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> It's not allowed. People have gotten carded for it. It just doesn't happen that often because it's pretty damn hard for the refs to actually see it since they don't have the benefit of being shown a super close up replay of everything like people watching on TV get, so it won't get called unless its fairly blatant. -- Mistake you're making - overlooking the fact that we might not want to be saved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kotetsu534 02/27/12 6:31:00 PM #12:	It isn't allowed. But because of the idiots in charge of the game the referee isn't allowed to ask for a video ref's opinion of events so everything has to be judged on his and his assistants' first glance take on events. Therefore it is possible for a smart/skilled diver to con the referee. -- Who knew the Rivalry Rumble would be so predictable? SuperNiceDog, that's who. <cite>Kotetsu534 posted [p:845805] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> It isn't allowed. But because of the idiots in charge of the game the referee isn't allowed to ask for a video ref's opinion of events so everything has to be judged on his and his assistants' first glance take on events. Therefore it is possible for a smart/skilled diver to con the referee. -- Who knew the Rivalry Rumble would be so predictable? SuperNiceDog, that's who. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Luis_Sera89 02/27/12 6:33:00 PM #13:	As has been mentioned, diving isn't allowed, and is a cautionable offence; the technical term for it is Simulation. Opinion on it very much seems to differ depending on culture though. In somewhere like the UK, the practice of it is derided, and fans and players are critical of it, although this isn't to say that some players or managers aren't privately apathetic of it if it wins matches. In other parts of the world though, particularly Latin countries, it's considered part of the game. Players are praised for their 'skill' in deceiving referees. -- "Eet's game time..." <cite>Luis_Sera89 posted [p:845806] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> As has been mentioned, diving isn't allowed, and is a cautionable offence; the technical term for it is Simulation. Opinion on it very much seems to differ depending on culture though. In somewhere like the UK, the practice of it is derided, and fans and players are critical of it, although this isn't to say that some players or managers aren't privately apathetic of it if it wins matches. In other parts of the world though, particularly Latin countries, it's considered part of the game. Players are praised for their 'skill' in deceiving referees. -- "Eet's game time..." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 02/27/12 6:41:00 PM #14:	##Vote: Naomi edit: nevermind, I'm not where I thought I was -- I never said anything about banging her. Also, I wouldn't bang her. -LusterSoldier (on a fat pageant mom whose daughter chugs Mt. Dew) <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:845807] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> ##Vote: Naomiedit: nevermind, I'm not where I thought I was -- I never said anything about banging her. Also, I wouldn't bang her. -LusterSoldier (on a fat pageant mom whose daughter chugs Mt. Dew) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mik_Pick 02/27/12 6:43:00 PM #15:	While we're on the topic of soccer, best celebration: Best save: -- XBL: Mik Pick PSN: Mik2Pick <cite>Mik_Pick posted [p:845808] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> While we're on the topic of soccer, best celebration: Best save: -- XBL: Mik PickPSN: Mik2Pick </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 02/27/12 6:48:00 PM #16:	From: Luis_Sera89 \| #013 As has been mentioned, diving isn't allowed, and is a cautionable offence; the technical term for it is Simulation. Opinion on it very much seems to differ depending on culture though. In somewhere like the UK, the practice of it is derided, and fans and players are critical of it, although this isn't to say that some players or managers aren't privately apathetic of it if it wins matches. In other parts of the world though, particularly Latin countries, it's considered part of the game. Players are praised for their 'skill' in deceiving referees. Only some though. In other countries it's definitely frowned because it's crazily scummy. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/61671575 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:845809] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> From: Luis_Sera89 \| #013As has been mentioned, diving isn't allowed, and is a cautionable offence; the technical term for it is Simulation. Opinion on it very much seems to differ depending on culture though. In somewhere like the UK, the practice of it is derided, and fans and players are critical of it, although this isn't to say that some players or managers aren't privately apathetic of it if it wins matches. In other parts of the world though, particularly Latin countries, it's considered part of the game. Players are praised for their 'skill' in deceiving referees.Only some though. In other countries it's definitely frowned because it's crazily scummy. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/61671575 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 02/27/12 6:55:00 PM #17:	From: Kotetsu534 \| #012 It isn't allowed. But because of the idiots in charge of the game the referee isn't allowed to ask for a video ref's opinion of events so everything has to be judged on his and his assistants' first glance take on events. Therefore it is possible for a smart/skilled diver to con the referee. Including video technology is not some easy, instant solution to everything. Not including it is anything but "idiocy". I've watched Bale's "dive" from yesterday 50 times and I still can't decide if there was any contact or not, for example. -- "My goal is to make this s* cool again." - CM Punk <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:845810] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> From: Kotetsu534 \| #012It isn't allowed. But because of the idiots in charge of the game the referee isn't allowed to ask for a video ref's opinion of events so everything has to be judged on his and his assistants' first glance take on events. Therefore it is possible for a smart/skilled diver to con the referee.Including video technology is not some easy, instant solution to everything. Not including it is anything but "idiocy".I've watched Bale's "dive" from yesterday 50 times and I still can't decide if there was any contact or not, for example. -- "My goal is to make this s* cool again." - CM Punk </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 02/27/12 7:02:00 PM #18:	Oh and diving is indefensibly scummy. It IS part of the game at this point and everybody hates that that has happened. But I'm pretty sure athletes in other sports would do it if they could get away with it so the problem is really with the higher ups for not punishing it harshly. There should be more cards for diving and more retroactive punishments for it. -- "I am the best in the world at everything I do, and I don't have to write it on the back of a T-Shirt to prove it, because I AM it." - Chris Jericho <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:845811] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> Oh and diving is indefensibly scummy. It IS part of the game at this point and everybody hates that that has happened.But I'm pretty sure athletes in other sports would do it if they could get away with it so the problem is really with the higher ups for not punishing it harshly. There should be more cards for diving and more retroactive punishments for it. -- "I am the best in the world at everything I do, and I don't have to write it on the back of a T-Shirt to prove it, because I AM it." - Chris Jericho </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CeraSeptem 02/27/12 7:17:00 PM #19:	I've watched Bale's "dive" from yesterday 50 times and I still can't decide if there was any contact or not, for example. Then don't card that one. A lot of them are very **ing obvious if they used video equipment. It's not a claim that video help would stop diving entirely or would catch 100% of dirty little liars, but it's dumb as not to use it if you actually want to discourage it. -- I ing love to cuddle. I'm being oppressed! <cite>CeraSeptem posted [p:845812] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> I've watched Bale's "dive" from yesterday 50 times and I still can't decide if there was any contact or not, for example.Then don't card that one. A lot of them are very ing obvious if they used video equipment. It's not a claim that video help would stop diving entirely or would catch 100% of dirty little liars, but it's dumb as not to use it if you actually want to discourage it. -- I **ing love to cuddle.I'm being oppressed! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wiind 02/27/12 7:18:00 PM #20:	But I'm pretty sure athletes in other sports would do it if they could get away with it so the problem is really with the higher ups for not punishing it harshly. There should be more cards for diving and more retroactive punishments for it. athletes in other sports do try to draw penalties all the time, but it's just completely out of control in soccer <cite>Liquid Wiind posted [p:845813] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> But I'm pretty sure athletes in other sports would do it if they could get away with it so the problem is really with the higher ups for not punishing it harshly. There should be more cards for diving and more retroactive punishments for it.athletes in other sports do try to draw penalties all the time, but it's just completely out of control in soccer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Justin_Crossing 02/27/12 7:19:00 PM #21:	the problem with soccer is that the ref has to actually see it himself no matter how obvious it was or something -- ~Acting on Impulse~ Black Turtle still didn't MAJORA'S MASK <cite>Justin_Crossing posted [p:845814] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> the problem with soccer is that the ref has to actually see it himself no matter how obvious it wasor something -- ~Acting on Impulse~Black Turtle still didn't MAJORA'S MASK </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
madadude 02/27/12 7:22:00 PM #22:	Well Messi is a god so ... yeah. -- http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t468/Linksterman/PotD/2e1a6af5.jpg - POT8O Adam/Mada <cite>madadude posted [p:845815] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> Well Messi is a god so ... yeah. -- http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t468/Linksterman/PotD/2e1a6af5.jpg - POT8OAdam/Mada </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 02/27/12 9:25:00 PM #23:	Then don't card that one. A lot of them are very **ing obvious if they used video equipment. It's not a claim that video help would stop diving entirely or would catch 100% of dirty little liars, but it's dumb as not to use it if you actually want to discourage it. "Hmm I think that may have been a dive" "gotta take it to the video ref" "k" <5 minutes later, still replaying it from every single angle> "uhhh I think we were going to award a penalty? I've forgotten." And the way to discourage diving is to do it retroactively. Deliver 3-game bans for dives after matches, make it as bad as a sending off. Video technology is a big fat albatross. Including it won't kill the game, but the implementation is so impractical and the fundamentally non-elitist nature of the sport would be so murdered, no. It's a fallacy that people cling to that video tech would make everything OK all of a sudden. -- XIII_rocks: He's British <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:845816] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> Then don't card that one. A lot of them are very ing obvious if they used video equipment. It's not a claim that video help would stop diving entirely or would catch 100% of dirty little liars, but it's dumb as ** not to use it if you actually want to discourage it."Hmm I think that may have been a dive""gotta take it to the video ref""k"<5 minutes later, still replaying it from every single angle>"uhhh I think we were going to award a penalty? I've forgotten."And the way to discourage diving is to do it retroactively. Deliver 3-game bans for dives after matches, make it as bad as a sending off. Video technology is a big fat albatross. Including it won't kill the game, but the implementation is so impractical and the fundamentally non-elitist nature of the sport would be so murdered, no. It's a fallacy that people cling to that video tech would make everything OK all of a sudden. -- XIII_rocks: He's British </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/27/12 9:26:00 PM #24:	From: XIII_rocks \| #017 I've watched Bale's "dive" from yesterday 50 times and I still can't decide if there was any contact or not, for example. XFD sure you couldn't. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "Neon lights, nobel prize. When a mirror speaks, the reflection lies." <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:845817] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> From: XIII_rocks \| #017I've watched Bale's "dive" from yesterday 50 times and I still can't decide if there was any contact or not, for example.XFD sure you couldn't. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg"Neon lights, nobel prize. When a mirror speaks, the reflection lies." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 02/27/12 9:27:00 PM #25:	From: ExThaNemesis \| #024 XFD sure you couldn't. There are Arsenal fans who literally think the exact same thing -- http://i.imgur.com/LjoWT.png <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:845818] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> From: ExThaNemesis \| #024XFD sure you couldn't.There are Arsenal fans who literally think the exact same thing -- http://i.imgur.com/LjoWT.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/27/12 9:28:00 PM #26:	There wouldn't be any if we'd lost 2-1. But XIC's right. Let's get goal line technology before we start clamoring for a big, invasive change like video replay for things. I can't even stomach the idea of how slowed down the matches would be, causing all the usual suspect toolbags to whine even more about the speed of the sport. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg 'Every day that I get better, I watch as you get worse.' <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:845819] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> There wouldn't be any if we'd lost 2-1.But XIC's right. Let's get goal line technology before we start clamoring for a big, invasive change like video replay for things. I can't even stomach the idea of how slowed down the matches would be, causing all the usual suspect toolbags to whine even more about the speed of the sport. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg'Every day that I get better, I watch as you get worse.' </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 02/27/12 9:29:00 PM #27:	It's not as easy as "don't card that one". It's more the fact that it would take a stupidly long time to actually establish it one way or that other. Unless you think the ref should have made that decision instantly, you are asking them to take a decision to the video refs and fail to actually make a decision. In that situation, if you take it upstairs, you either give a penalty or you card Bale for diving. Video tech would come in and then not actually be good enough to make a solid, indisputably correct decision either way - and people would have the same complaints they do now. Video technology being an instant solution to everything is just so, so wrong. It's not at all, and ultimately does more harm than good. -- http://i46.tinypic.com/301k70h.gif <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:845820] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> It's not as easy as "don't card that one". It's more the fact that it would take a stupidly long time to actually establish it one way or that other. Unless you think the ref should have made that decision instantly, you are asking them to take a decision to the video refs and fail to actually make a decision. In that situation, if you take it upstairs, you either give a penalty or you card Bale for diving. Video tech would come in and then not actually be good enough to make a solid, indisputably correct decision either way - and people would have the same complaints they do now.Video technology being an instant solution to everything is just so, so wrong. It's not at all, and ultimately does more harm than good. -- http://i46.tinypic.com/301k70h.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Princess Anri 02/27/12 9:30:00 PM #28:	From: Weakupedia \| #001 Everyone should get like this guy: Yes, soccer would be even more amazing if everyone was the best soccer player ever. -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword <cite>Princess Anri posted [p:845821] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> From: Weakupedia \| #001Everyone should get like this guy:Yes, soccer would be even more amazing if everyone was the best soccer player ever. -- Congratulations to Rafael Nadal on a Career Golden Slam. - The Mana Sword </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 02/27/12 9:32:00 PM #29:	There wouldn't be any if we'd lost 2-1. Then that helps their case exponentially. They literally have no reason to be biased about it at this point. And goal-line technology alone is a bad idea imo. Literally would only be relevant 1 game in 50, the cost is ridiculous, and where's the cut-off? Does just the premier league get it? Who said premier league decisions are more important than Charlton vs. Huddersfield? -- http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/xiiioneshieldpngys.png <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:845822] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> There wouldn't be any if we'd lost 2-1.Then that helps their case exponentially. They literally have no reason to be biased about it at this point.And goal-line technology alone is a bad idea imo. Literally would only be relevant 1 game in 50, the cost is ridiculous, and where's the cut-off? Does just the premier league get it? Who said premier league decisions are more important than Charlton vs. Huddersfield? -- http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/xiiioneshieldpngys.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/27/12 9:34:00 PM #30:	From: XIII_rocks \| #029 And goal-line technology alone is a bad idea imo. Literally would only be relevant 1 game in 50, the cost is ridiculous, and where's the cut-off? Does just the premier league get it? Who said premier league decisions are more important than Charlton vs. Huddersfield? They could easily just stop play on incidents like that and have a video looked at instead of installing some super pricey equipment. And it's easy to see that premier league decisions are more important than charlton vs huddersfield. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg 'I have a voice that has the knowledge and the power to rule your fate.' <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:845823] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> From: XIII_rocks \| #029And goal-line technology alone is a bad idea imo. Literally would only be relevant 1 game in 50, the cost is ridiculous, and where's the cut-off? Does just the premier league get it? Who said premier league decisions are more important than Charlton vs. Huddersfield?They could easily just stop play on incidents like that and have a video looked at instead of installing some super pricey equipment.And it's easy to see that premier league decisions are more important than charlton vs huddersfield. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg'I have a voice that has the knowledge and the power to rule your fate.' </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/27/12 9:35:00 PM #31:	From: XIII_rocks \| #029 Then that helps their case exponentially. They literally have no reason to be biased about it at this point. They have reason now to 'concede' that it might not have been a dive because in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter. It matters to me though because how little it gets talked about. An Arsenal player does that and he gets flayed in the media. But not their precious darling Gareth Bale. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "Neon lights, nobel prize. When a mirror speaks, the reflection lies." <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:845824] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> From: XIII_rocks \| #029Then that helps their case exponentially. They literally have no reason to be biased about it at this point.They have reason now to 'concede' that it might not have been a dive because in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter. It matters to me though because how little it gets talked about. An Arsenal player does that and he gets flayed in the media. But not their precious darling Gareth Bale. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg"Neon lights, nobel prize. When a mirror speaks, the reflection lies." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kotetsu534 02/27/12 9:36:00 PM #32:	Honestly, the game gets slowed down hugely as it is by players a) surrounding the referee/linesmen after every debatable decision, b) players feigning/exaggerating injury and getting the game stopped and c) general time wasting. The occasional word from a video ref when the ref wants it wouldn't change much. -- Who knew the Rivalry Rumble would be so predictable? SuperNiceDog, that's who. <cite>Kotetsu534 posted [p:845825] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> Honestly, the game gets slowed down hugely as it is by players a) surrounding the referee/linesmen after every debatable decision, b) players feigning/exaggerating injury and getting the game stopped and c) general time wasting. The occasional word from a video ref when the ref wants it wouldn't change much. -- Who knew the Rivalry Rumble would be so predictable? SuperNiceDog, that's who. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/27/12 9:36:00 PM #33:	From: Kotetsu534 \| #032 Honestly, the game gets slowed down hugely as it is by players a) surrounding the referee/linesmen after every debatable decision, b) players feigning/exaggerating injury and getting the game stopped and c) general time wasting. The occasional word from a video ref when the ref wants it wouldn't change much. Well the only problem here is that you have to somehow control how often 'occasional' is. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg 'You wear your sin like it's some kind of prize.' <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:845826] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> From: Kotetsu534 \| #032Honestly, the game gets slowed down hugely as it is by players a) surrounding the referee/linesmen after every debatable decision, b) players feigning/exaggerating injury and getting the game stopped and c) general time wasting. The occasional word from a video ref when the ref wants it wouldn't change much.Well the only problem here is that you have to somehow control how often 'occasional' is. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg'You wear your sin like it's some kind of prize.' </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CalvinbalI 02/27/12 9:43:00 PM #34:	From: XIII_rocks \| #018 Oh and diving is indefensibly scummy. It IS part of the game at this point and everybody hates that that has happened. But I'm pretty sure athletes in other sports would do it if they could get away with it so the problem is really with the higher ups for not punishing it harshly. There should be more cards for diving and more retroactive punishments for it. It's definitely becoming prevalent in the popular American sports. Basketball players flop all the time these days, and I'd say at least once a week a player takes a phantom elbow to the face. In gridiron football, defensive players will fake injuries to slow down the offense and allow the D to take a breather. -- "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy...let's go exploring!" - Calvin http://img.imgcake.com/calvinfinalpngpy.png <cite>CalvinbalI posted [p:845827] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> From: XIII_rocks \| #018Oh and diving is indefensibly scummy. It IS part of the game at this point and everybody hates that that has happened.But I'm pretty sure athletes in other sports would do it if they could get away with it so the problem is really with the higher ups for not punishing it harshly. There should be more cards for diving and more retroactive punishments for it.It's definitely becoming prevalent in the popular American sports. Basketball players flop all the time these days, and I'd say at least once a week a player takes a phantom elbow to the face. In gridiron football, defensive players will fake injuries to slow down the offense and allow the D to take a breather. -- "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy...let's go exploring!" - Calvinhttp://img.imgcake.com/calvinfinalpngpy.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 02/27/12 10:02:00 PM #35:	From: ExThaNemesis \| #030 They could easily just stop play on incidents like that and have a video looked at instead of installing some super pricey equipment. And it's easy to see that premier league decisions are more important than charlton vs huddersfield. Easy for you, a Premier League fan, to say that. All the leagues are connected. This is not the NFL where the entire thing has boiled down to X amount of super-rich "franchises". This is a massive, inter-connected league that reaches down like 30 tiers. It's all part of one big pyramid and while there's more money in the top-level games, when you implement video tech at one level but not at every other level, you are saying to those clubs and the fans of those clubs "you are an irrelevance". From: Kotetsu534 \| #032 Honestly, the game gets slowed down hugely as it is by players a) surrounding the referee/linesmen after every debatable decision, b) players feigning/exaggerating injury and getting the game stopped and c) general time wasting. The occasional word from a video ref when the ref wants it wouldn't change much. Talking of "exaggerations"...everything in this post is exaggerated. The time from Bale going down on Sunday to Adebayor taking the penalty was about 60 seconds, and that included the ref consulting the linesman, not "the players surrounding him". Not every club is Man Utd where Ferguson has bred it into their culture. The ending of the England/Wales rugby game with that debatable try was, what, three minutes? The implementation of video technology would be a massive, massive change to the sport. It's a legit opinion to say it's a positive change but it's wrong to say it would be some kind of seamless transition. It's definitely becoming prevalent in the popular American sports. Basketball players flop all the time these days, and I'd say at least once a week a player takes a phantom elbow to the face. In gridiron football, defensive players will fake injuries to slow down the offense and allow the D to take a breather. The difference between what is going on there and it being "out of control" in football as LW describes it probably comes down to one thing: time. Football players have been doing it for longer and it's sadly part of the culture. With NFL and Basketball it's relatively new in comparison. I'd be interested to see what the "flop" rate in basketball is in 10 years, 15 years. -- http://i.imgur.com/LjoWT.png <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:845828] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> From: ExThaNemesis \| #030They could easily just stop play on incidents like that and have a video looked at instead of installing some super pricey equipment.And it's easy to see that premier league decisions are more important than charlton vs huddersfield.Easy for you, a Premier League fan, to say that. All the leagues are connected. This is not the NFL where the entire thing has boiled down to X amount of super-rich "franchises". This is a massive, inter-connected league that reaches down like 30 tiers. It's all part of one big pyramid and while there's more money in the top-level games, when you implement video tech at one level but not at every other level, you are saying to those clubs and the fans of those clubs "you are an irrelevance".From: Kotetsu534 \| #032Honestly, the game gets slowed down hugely as it is by players a) surrounding the referee/linesmen after every debatable decision, b) players feigning/exaggerating injury and getting the game stopped and c) general time wasting. The occasional word from a video ref when the ref wants it wouldn't change much.Talking of "exaggerations"...everything in this post is exaggerated. The time from Bale going down on Sunday to Adebayor taking the penalty was about 60 seconds, and that included the ref consulting the linesman, not "the players surrounding him". Not every club is Man Utd where Ferguson has bred it into their culture. The ending of the England/Wales rugby game with that debatable try was, what, three minutes? The implementation of video technology would be a massive, massive change to the sport. It's a legit opinion to say it's a positive change but it's wrong to say it would be some kind of seamless transition.It's definitely becoming prevalent in the popular American sports. Basketball players flop all the time these days, and I'd say at least once a week a player takes a phantom elbow to the face. In gridiron football, defensive players will fake injuries to slow down the offense and allow the D to take a breather.The difference between what is going on there and it being "out of control" in football as LW describes it probably comes down to one thing: time. Football players have been doing it for longer and it's sadly part of the culture. With NFL and Basketball it's relatively new in comparison. I'd be interested to see what the "flop" rate in basketball is in 10 years, 15 years. -- http://i.imgur.com/LjoWT.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BleedingRed 02/27/12 10:02:00 PM #36:	There is embellishment in literally every sport. From boxing, to MMA, to hockey to football. Generally when people are that competitive they will do most anything to get a competitive advantage (including taking PEDs, etc.) -- Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can? Cincinnati Reds - Ottawa Senators - Atlanta Falcons <cite>BleedingRed posted [p:845829] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> There is embellishment in literally every sport. From boxing, to MMA, to hockey to football.Generally when people are that competitive they will do most anything to get a competitive advantage (including taking PEDs, etc.) -- Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can?Cincinnati Reds - Ottawa Senators - Atlanta Falcons </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ayvuir 02/27/12 10:10:00 PM #37:	*Mik_Pick posted...* While we're on the topic of soccer, best celebration: I was hoping this was the fish one, if it wasn't, I was going to post it. You've done well though. -- ~C~ - NIO BUNNY - http://img.imgcake.com/nio/76ayvpngam.png A Hot Dog will make you a fatty, a SuperNiceDog will make you a GURU! <cite>Ayvuir posted [p:845830] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> Mik_Pick posted...While we're on the topic of soccer, best celebration: I was hoping this was the fish one, if it wasn't, I was going to post it. You've done well though. -- ~C~ - NIO BUNNY - http://img.imgcake.com/nio/76ayvpngam.pngA Hot Dog will make you a fatty, a SuperNiceDog will make you a GURU! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neonreap 02/28/12 3:42:00 AM #38:	*XIII_rocks posted...* The difference between what is going on there and it being "out of control" in football as LW describes it probably comes down to one thing: time. Football players have been doing it for longer and it's sadly part of the culture. With NFL and Basketball it's relatively new in comparison. I'd be interested to see what the "flop" rate in basketball is in 10 years, 15 years. Flopping in the NBA is down from around a decade ago. They altered the way guard play is handled in the late 90s, which led to people looking for those calls. Just as big if not bigger, the influx of Euros and other foreign players really led to a dramatic increase in that goofy flopping that should never get called yet it was called often. Refs have adjusted. I don't think people really worry about flopping in the NBA. -- where is mankriks wife <cite>neonreap posted [p:845831] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> XIII_rocks posted...The difference between what is going on there and it being "out of control" in football as LW describes it probably comes down to one thing: time. Football players have been doing it for longer and it's sadly part of the culture. With NFL and Basketball it's relatively new in comparison. I'd be interested to see what the "flop" rate in basketball is in 10 years, 15 years.Flopping in the NBA is down from around a decade ago. They altered the way guard play is handled in the late 90s, which led to people looking for those calls. Just as big if not bigger, the influx of Euros and other foreign players really led to a dramatic increase in that goofy flopping that should never get called yet it was called often. Refs have adjusted. I don't think people really worry about flopping in the NBA. -- where is mankriks wife </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BK_Sheikah00 02/28/12 3:55:00 AM #39:	Hello -- Hey, its that SuperNiceDog! Congrats to the Guru 2011 winner <cite>BK_Sheikah00 posted [p:845832] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> Hello -- Hey, its that SuperNiceDog! Congrats to the Guru 2011 winner </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lieutenant Kettch 02/28/12 4:06:00 AM #40:	Post-game suspensions are absolutely the way to go. No need to slow the game down. -- SuperNiceDog is also a SuperSmartDog. <cite>Lieutenant Kettch posted [p:845833] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> Post-game suspensions are absolutely the way to go. No need to slow the game down. -- SuperNiceDog is also a SuperSmartDog. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vlado 02/28/12 5:48:00 AM #41:	Video replays will certainly help football get much fairer. They won't solve everything, but they'll solve 90+% of questionable cases. That is the problem, though. If video replays get introduced, the referee being instructed that a certain team cannot be eliminated so early in the Champions League, because it would cost UEFA millions in revenue, for instance, would hold much less water. Which is why it will NEVER be implemented. -- If you like Blitzball, try Captain Tsubasa II (in English) for NES! Top games: http://unikgamer.com/users/vlado-309.html <cite>Vlado posted [p:845834] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> Video replays will certainly help football get much fairer. They won't solve everything, but they'll solve 90+% of questionable cases.That is the problem, though. If video replays get introduced, the referee being instructed that a certain team cannot be eliminated so early in the Champions League, because it would cost UEFA millions in revenue, for instance, would hold much less water.Which is why it will NEVER be implemented. -- If you like Blitzball, try Captain Tsubasa II (in English) for NES!Top games: http://unikgamer.com/users/vlado-309.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpeedYoshi 02/28/12 4:38:00 PM #42:	the biggest issue with implementing replays in soccer is how it effects the clock, tbh -- Don't worry guys, I have all the clubs SuperNiceDog barked up the right tree. <cite>SpeedYoshi posted [p:845835] in Why is div... [t:62085492]...</cite> <quote> the biggest issue with implementing replays in soccer is how it effects the clock, tbh -- Don't worry guys, I have all the clubsSuperNiceDog barked up the right tree. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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