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Silver_Ermine
01/31/12 5:28:00 PM
#352:


ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!

WAHO!

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Azp2k32
01/31/12 5:31:00 PM
#353:


Man, god damn it. I'm on a small losing streak and finally get into a game where we're all winning our lanes; dominating bot easily, then for between 5-10 minutes, lag takes god damn over. EVERYONE lags and it takes 5-20 seconds for the server to recognize our actions. And somehow the enemy team ends up taking down 2 of our towers, and their mid manages to stay connected and rack up CS so by the time it goes away, we're all level 7/8 with our mid perma-DC'd, and they're all 10-12. -_- Ugh.

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Aecioo
01/31/12 5:35:00 PM
#354:


KamikazePotato posted...
hahahaha

So that contributor that Zeke's Herald is being named after? Tim Buckley.

http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20120125/#n2260


miscarry that ****

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Biolizard28
01/31/12 5:36:00 PM
#355:


Also, Ezreal can't moonwalk anymore.

Unfortunate.

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HanOfTheNekos
01/31/12 5:37:00 PM
#356:


Viktor buffs? Unnecessary.

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IhatethisCPU
01/31/12 5:39:00 PM
#357:


Noticed Ez. Wondered why that was a thing.

- Fixed a bug where the Demolitionist mastery disabled global passives such as Twisted Fate's Loaded Dice and Janna's Tailwind

...But, I'm kinda curious as to what the hell has to happen with the game code to make those two things interconnect.

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SythaWarrior
01/31/12 6:01:00 PM
#358:


Morgana is likely in the clear for another 3-4 months before realize those changes aren't really going to change much. Lee Sin still good, Sivir still good, they murdered Starks or zekes or whatever it's called now but the new support item looks like it will be a staple in every game, moonwalking Ez gone ;_;

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KanzarisKelshen
01/31/12 6:08:00 PM
#359:


Small Jax buffs...meh. It's good, but not sure if it's good enough. Baby steps, I guess. That Counterstrike tweak IS nice, though.

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Chaotic Mind
01/31/12 6:12:00 PM
#360:


The mana regen isn't enough. I hate the fact that if i'm not jungling and getting Blue constantly, i have to build a Tear to avoid being constantly out of mana.

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Biolizard28
01/31/12 6:16:00 PM
#361:


From: KanzarisKelshen | #359
Small Jax buffs


You are just the king of underestimation.

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Biolizard28
01/31/12 6:21:00 PM
#362:


Also, on the subject of Morgana, she's... not really as overpowered as people like to think.

At least, the fact that she makes constant tournament appearances and isn't the deciding factor of the game 90% of the time gives that impression.

The only things that god significant buffs before she became pick or ban were her ultimate and auto attacks. Her auto attacks made last hitting a nightmare, and her ultimate changes just made it usable instead of being Death Lotus tier.

She's been overrated for a long time just because she became viable again.

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Biolizard28
01/31/12 6:29:00 PM
#363:


Uh also patch notes changed

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1771960

Viktor's new buff is much better, in my opinion.

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Aecioo
01/31/12 6:41:00 PM
#364:


Biolizard28 posted...
Also, on the subject of Morgana, she's... not really as overpowered as people like to think.

At least, the fact that she makes constant tournament appearances and isn't the deciding factor of the game 90% of the time gives that impression.


She's overpowered against unorganized teams because she's already a good pick (see - tournament games), but now make her ult wreck all the idiots on your team that can't coordinate to lock her down quickly enough, or to split in a way that makes it so only one person gets ulted, and you have a super OP solo queue champion.

that's my take on it anyway

take an already good champion, give her abilities that MASSIVELY punish idiots, and you have "OP".

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Silver_Ermine
01/31/12 7:16:00 PM
#365:


Ziggs Spotlight

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1772632

Holy... that ult....

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Silverliner182V
01/31/12 7:17:00 PM
#366:


luckily I have 6300 IP saved up

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Biolizard28
01/31/12 7:19:00 PM
#367:


Oh crap, a global ult and awesome area control.

I PROMISED NO MORE MONEY FOR A WHILE

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TheConductorSix
01/31/12 7:40:00 PM
#368:


Morgana's biggest strength comes from 3 things

1.Her ability to sustain in lane without slowing down her build is unmatched. I sometimes go Will of the Ancients just for giggles. There's a video of a Morgana going the whole game with just one Doran's Ring. It's silly. But the point is, she can stack damage or tankiness while other APs have to rush spell vamp. Huge advantage.


2.Her ability to just crush other AP and dominate mid. Outside of Gragas and Ryze, it's pretty hard to pop Morgana's spell shield without taking more damage than you give out. If you CAN out damage her she just presses W and farms despite you. Nothing you can really do. But it's not just about the one on one matchup. It's about her pushing mid with extreme safety because ganking her with spell shield up is almost impossible. So she over pushes mid and can gank other lanes, take dragon, or just keep the jungler busy.

3.Lastly, Spell Shield is just silly. I max it out 2nd because in a game based around CC, Morgana can cancel all of it. A 600 magic damage eating, CC ignoring spell shield on Nasus or Singed or Riven is just very scary.

Lowering the damage on the ult really doesn't do anything. At all. It still forces enemies to stay in place and get stunned or split up and get out of position. I use it half the time just to burn flashes and then disengage.

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Justin_Crossing
01/31/12 8:02:00 PM
#369:


literally no kennen nerfs

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Gwindor
01/31/12 8:05:00 PM
#370:


Morgana's power is her kit. Nerfing her damage won't ever balance her, just make her unplayable. =(

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Biolizard28
01/31/12 8:06:00 PM
#371:


From: Justin_Crossing | #369
literally no kennen nerfs


WotA got nerfed, so it's kind of a blow to Kennen. Not really, but it's something.

Kennen's problem in my opinion stems from his kit. You could play with the numbers, but he's still a CC machine that requires special attention and can only be approached by those with a death wish post-6.

Personally, the first thing I'd do is up the energy cost of his ultimate. Lightning Rush costs more at all ranks than his ult does at max rank, and I'd say that skill is the most fair of his entire kit. It's ridiculous.

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KanzarisKelshen
01/31/12 8:07:00 PM
#372:


From: Justin_Crossing | #369
literally no kennen nerfs


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From: Gwindor | #370
Morgana's power is her kit. Nerfing her damage won't ever balance her, just make her unplayable. =(


That means there's a number where she works. After all, if the numbers didn't matter as you said, you could just Soul Shackles for the stun.

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KanzarisKelshen
01/31/12 8:08:00 PM
#373:


From: Biolizard28 | #361
You are just the king of underestimation.


It's not big, Bio. It's his old ult, but it lasts potentially less than a fourth of the old time. It also doesn't save you from a single target burst combo.

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Biolizard28
01/31/12 8:10:00 PM
#374:


Actually, I take what I said back.

I'd nerf his range on his Q and W first.

Getting poked for a stupid amount of health while he's in the middle of the lane and you're at your tower is f***ing stupid.

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Justin_Crossing
01/31/12 8:12:00 PM
#375:


it's the fact that his ultimate is literally automatic damage that stuns that makes him nuts imo. it's like having a nuke that you just 'turn on' and it does all the damage for you, and keeps the enemies inside of it. the only skill required is knowing when to use it, but that's still an incredibly low bar compared to every other champ in the game

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Gwindor
01/31/12 8:14:00 PM
#376:


fair enough

Just seems to me that there are a handful of champions that are really powerful, and then a lot that are obsolete. And in response they nerf champions that didn't get touched for ages. Doesn't make sense to me.

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HanOfTheNekos
01/31/12 8:16:00 PM
#377:


Silverliner182V posted...
luckily I have 6300 IP saved up

I JUST spent mine on Ahri, before seeing that champ spotlight.

Oh well. I guess I'll just have to pull out Xerath for the first wave of Ziggs.

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Biolizard28
01/31/12 8:21:00 PM
#378:


From: Justin_Crossing | #375
it's the fact that his ultimate is literally automatic damage that stuns that makes him nuts imo. it's like having a nuke that you just 'turn on' and it does all the damage for you, and keeps the enemies inside of it. the only skill required is knowing when to use it, but that's still an incredibly low bar compared to every other champ in the game


It's not like other champions don't have similar abilities. My problem isn't that it does damage for pressing R. Otherwise I'd hate almost every ultimate.

But at max level it's something like 630 base damage on a 1.2 AP ratio on a single target. And at max level it can hit the entire enemy team for that amount in under one second.

And he has a speed steroid so it's not like he has a problem sticking to targets.

I agree with you entirely, and I'd say his ultimate is the main reason he's broken. Like I said, you can't come within fifty feet of him post-6 unless you want to die.

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TheConductorSix
01/31/12 9:56:00 PM
#379:


So uhhhhh take exhaust like pretty much everyone is doing now against kennen. Or pick Janna. Or sona. The problem is every wants to win with THEIR champ without realizing that with nearly 100 champs everything has a counter.

Yorick spamming ghosts? Pick trundle whose passive feeds on it
Gangplank spamming Q? Pick pantheon and passive him to death.

Kennen is just like any other champ who found the self top tier or flavor of the month: he destroys the current meta until people get wise and change their playstyles. It's just so hard to correct people's habits when they'd much rather complain and whine when things don't go their way.

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Chaotic Mind
01/31/12 9:57:00 PM
#380:


It's actually a .99 AP ratio assuming 3 hits on a champ. Also it can't hit the entire enemy team for that amount at max level in under one second as it procs on one champ every .33 seconds, so counting proc on initial activation it hits 4 champs in one second, and those 4 only one time, not all 3 times. Or possibly less targets hit more times.

But that combined with Rush and Surge gives your 4 stunned targets that already took a lot of damage and are now stuck in the ult taking more damage. This combo is pretty OP, which is why i just bought Kennen a couple days ago :) If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em.

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Forceful_Dragon
01/31/12 10:06:00 PM
#381:


Red and FD streaming some DuoQ before ranked Qs get disabled.

http://www.own3d.tv/live/21229

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Justin_Crossing
01/31/12 10:34:00 PM
#382:


From: TheConductorSix | #379
So uhhhhh take exhaust like pretty much everyone is doing now against kennen. Or pick Janna. Or sona. The problem is every wants to win with THEIR champ without realizing that with nearly 100 champs everything has a counter.

Yorick spamming ghosts? Pick trundle whose passive feeds on it
Gangplank spamming Q? Pick pantheon and passive him to death.

Kennen is just like any other champ who found the self top tier or flavor of the month: he destroys the current meta until people get wise and change their playstyles. It's just so hard to correct people's habits when they'd much rather complain and whine when things don't go their way.


Half the problem is you can't predict which lane Kennen will be in. He is destructive in all 3.

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Gwindor
01/31/12 10:49:00 PM
#383:


so, why do supports grab two gold/10 instead of three?

I find three allows me to grab a full stack of wards every time I base, and still gain money. Also, you continue to get money when you upgrade your shurelia's.

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Forceful_Dragon
01/31/12 11:03:00 PM
#384:


From: Forceful_Dragon | #381
http://www.own3d.tv/live/21229


0-1 so far:

Loss ~ Warwick ~ 11-7-6 (2.43) [-12] 1741 [45]
Worst ryze of the ever on our team. I held it down top. I did have a couple of sub-par ults, but was a pretty strong game, especially considering the allies.

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HeroicGammaRay
01/31/12 11:04:00 PM
#385:


'that trap was making us have **** positioning'
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X_Dante_X
01/31/12 11:06:00 PM
#386:


HGR has convinced me to pick up Ryze after that game; surely I can't be the worst

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Megaman703
01/31/12 11:07:00 PM
#387:


From: HeroicGammaRay | #385
'that trap was making us have **** positioning'


I literally laughed out loud at that point. Amazing.

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Phase
01/31/12 11:17:00 PM
#388:


Gwindor posted...
so, why do supports grab two gold/10 instead of three?

I find three allows me to grab a full stack of wards every time I base, and still gain money. Also, you continue to get money when you upgrade your shurelia's.


Unless the game runs very, very long, the AP benefit is marginal (unlike HoG's bonus) and it doesn't build into anything useful (unlike Philo stone). Ergo, you're better just putting that cash towards wards directly because the only way it pays for itself is if you eventually sell it (and it takes ~13 minutes to break even at that rate even). Meanwhile, you have a significant opportunity cost to consider in getting items sooner (for example, a kindlegem).

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LamdaMax
01/31/12 11:38:00 PM
#389:


holy **** AP mid Nunu wins lanes. With nothing but a wota he heals 650 hp every 10 seconds with consume, and has good harass damage on top of that.

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Forceful_Dragon
01/31/12 11:48:00 PM
#390:


From: HeroicGammaRay | #385
'that trap was making us have **** positioning'


yeah, megaman might have laughed out loud, but I literally facepalmed. Couldn't believe that was his excuse for getting caught and killed.

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IhatethisCPU
02/01/12 5:26:00 AM
#391:


Ziggs is best. Ult is not global, incidentally. Basically Panth ult without the need to interject yourself into the thick of combat.

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IhatethisCPU
02/01/12 6:48:00 AM
#392:


Also interesting, most if not all long range Ults have little icons now, and show sight of exactly who you hit/just missed when it happens. Noticed it with Zigg's ult, (Fun as hell, incidentally, not that anyone'surprised.) and it works with Ashe's arrow too. Don't own Ez so can't be sure about him.

And a friendly Sej just aced the enemy team four times in rapid succession. Ended too quickly to get Noc for the Quintace, though. That made me sad. :(

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WaIker
02/01/12 7:48:00 AM
#393:


I don't think that reticle thing works for Finales Funkeln though. I saw a red post saying that it was tricky for that one in particular.

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Biolizard28
02/01/12 7:56:00 AM
#394:


From: IhatethisCPU | #391
Ziggs is best. Ult is not global, incidentally. Basically Panth ult without the need to interject yourself into the thick of combat.


Still looks fun as hell.

Xerath can take a seat, Ziggs is the king of three pointers.

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Silver_Ermine
02/01/12 7:58:00 AM
#395:


Hella fun to play. I'm awful at his ulti so far lawl.

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MUKMASTER2
02/01/12 8:18:00 AM
#396:


Morello: "We're going to replace Deadliness's 4% crit with an equal buff that isn't random."


9 AD at level 18 for four mastery points.

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Silverliner182V
02/01/12 8:20:00 AM
#397:


morello is really dumb imho!

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Biolizard28
02/01/12 8:32:00 AM
#398:


From: MUKMASTER2 | #396
Morello: "We're going to replace Deadliness's 4% crit with an equal buff that isn't random."


9 AD at level 18 for four mastery points.


Blast gives close to a free amp tome at max rank.

Deadliness gives lose to a free long sword at max rank.

It's not equal in terms of the usefulness 4% crit right off the bat, but I don't think that was their goal.

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KanzarisKelshen
02/01/12 8:39:00 AM
#399:


From: Biolizard28 | #398
Blast gives close to a free amp tome at max rank.

Deadliness gives lose to a free long sword at max rank.

It's not equal in terms of the usefulness 4% crit right off the bat, but I don't think that was their goal.


It's mostly that it only works if you assume it's taken by a carry with PD and IE. It's worth less if you exceed 225 AD. That said, Rivens and Jaxes love it.

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Biolizard28
02/01/12 10:11:00 AM
#400:


Viktor is so sick now that he can actually win trades.

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KanzarisKelshen
02/01/12 10:23:00 AM
#401:


From: Biolizard28 | #400
Viktor is so sick now that he can actually win trades.


He's the most powerful mage in the game by the numbers. No, seriously.

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