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01/15/12 8:21:00 PM
#351:


From: JaKyL25 | #345
Oh is that how they're spinning it? <_<


From: JaKyL25 | #347
I don't get why the first episode from last Saturday's tapings couldn't be this weekend.

Does it seriously take two weeks to get an episode from shooting to air?


so uh, what's the story here >_>;

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KJH
01/15/12 8:23:00 PM
#352:


Bleh. I hate Primo/Epico/Rosa since Primo/Epico are so ridiculously generic and are almost some sort of mirror of each other while Rosa is grating as hell with her horrible spanish.

And the Usos are just kinda there. They've never had any personality aside from their dance, I just seriously don't care for them.

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01/15/12 8:24:00 PM
#353:


I hate you KJH.

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JaKyL25
01/15/12 8:26:00 PM
#354:


The guy that does the Column of Honor on 411 outlined this better than I am here, but the biggest problem in ROH at the moment is this weird multi-level continuity they're working with.

They're basically running two different kayfabes.

There's the TV Show kayfabe in which everything happens when it airs, and TV show angles are blown off at the iPPVs, and the non-televised shows are just basically house shows where title changes matter but nothing else does (although there hasn't actually been a title change at a non-televised show since the Sinclair shows started so even that hasn't been tested yet).

Then there's the regular live event kayfabe, in which angles are still progressed, stuff happens completely independently of the TV show (i.e. people earning title shots and then getting them) which are never mentioned on-air, and angle advancements that happen on-air "don't count yet" for live events UNLESS they are title changes.

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I don't see how they think this sort of kayfabe is a positive. Maybe it's Cornette; I mean, this sort of thing happened a lot 20 years ago. But there's no excuse for it in the modern day, and even the HDNet show didn't suffer too from it.

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JaKyL25
01/15/12 8:28:00 PM
#355:


From: GTM | #351
so uh, what's the story here >_>;


Nothing, just that it's not like they "bumped regularly scheduled programming to bring you this historic match." It was always their plan to air that match as an episode of the show. It was taped a month and a half ago!

And last weekend they taped the next 4 episodes, so I wish they would just start airing them instead of waiting 2 weeks.

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01/15/12 8:28:00 PM
#356:


From: KJH | #352
Bleh. I hate Primo/Epico/Rosa since Primo/Epico are so ridiculously generic and are almost some sort of mirror of each other while Rosa is grating as hell with her horrible spanish.

And the Usos are just kinda there. They've never had any personality aside from their dance, I just seriously don't care for them.


I agree with this. Both of those teams are "generic ethnic stereotype tag teams." Could anything BE more boring?

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01/15/12 8:28:00 PM
#357:


They're showing a elimination card thing between commercials, and of course my OCD makes the first thing I notice is that they misspelt Charlie Haas

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01/15/12 8:31:00 PM
#358:


From: SmartMuffin | #356
I agree with this. Both of those teams are "generic ethnic stereotype tag teams." Could anything BE more boring?


Matt Morgan and Crimson. <_<

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01/15/12 8:31:00 PM
#359:


From: JaKyL25 | #358
Matt Morgan and Crimson. <_<


Hey, at least they were involved in something on Impact that made you wonder whether it was a segment of the show or a commercial.

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01/15/12 8:32:00 PM
#360:


Also, Matt Morgan wants you to know that he was using Direct Auto Insurance before it was popular!

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JaKyL25
01/15/12 8:43:00 PM
#361:


I wonder just how much IS Direct Auto Insurance paying TNA for all of these plugs.

I also wonder why Morgan couldn't just make his payment at the backstage outlet for Direct Auto Insurance that we saw in a backstage brawl once. <_<

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01/15/12 8:44:00 PM
#362:


He had to go visit, they're like family to him!

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JaKyL25
01/15/12 8:45:00 PM
#363:


I have to admit, from a "Creating Brand Awareness" standpoint, their saturation of TNA with their logo and commercials has done a great job. I had never heard of them before, and now I have, and I associate them with the product they're selling.

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01/15/12 8:47:00 PM
#364:


On the one hand, I want to question whether or not their wrestlers are actually using cut-rate auto insurance.

On the other hand, given the reports of what most of their talent gets paid, maybe that isn't much of a stretch at all...

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JaKyL25
01/15/12 8:50:00 PM
#365:


I'm hoping that sometime soon we get a backstage brawl that damages a car (like Orton/Barrett), complete with the owner of the car running over and being in shock, but then realizing (in a fourth-wall-breaking look-at-the-camera shot) "Boy, it's a good thing I have Direct Auto Insurance! The only insurance that covers Professional Wrestler Damage!"

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edwardsdv
01/15/12 8:50:00 PM
#366:


Truth in advertising....

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SmartMuffin
01/15/12 8:51:00 PM
#367:


"Boy, it's a good thing I have Direct Auto Insurance! The only insurance that covers Professional Wrestler Damage!"

But then they'd be set up for false advertising if someone's car actually did suffer professional wrestler damage!

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01/15/12 8:52:00 PM
#368:


"Acts of Russo" would also be acceptable.

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ScareChan
01/15/12 8:53:00 PM
#369:


Jaykl, I have something for you to chew on since you're kinda the stat guy. It's easy to track how long someone has held onto a title in duration of days, but how many defenses is a different issue. I think we should start tracking that as well. Like even though Bryan has had a shorter timewise reign than Punk I would imagine he should be close in defenses now.

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01/15/12 8:55:00 PM
#370:


I've always maintained that the only proper way to measure a title reign would be by "number of defenses!"

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JaKyL25
01/15/12 8:55:00 PM
#371:


From: ScareChan | #369
Jaykl, I have something for you to chew on since you're kinda the stat guy. It's easy to track how long someone has held onto a title in duration of days, but how many defenses is a different issue. I think we should start tracking that as well. Like even though Bryan has had a shorter timewise reign than Punk I would imagine he should be close in defenses now.


All the top Indy feds do that, but with WWE and TNA it gets trickier because you have to decide whether to count house shows or not.

Obviously you'd count cases like tonight when a title actually CHANGED HANDS at a house show, but in reality Air Boom have defended their titles probably 20 times against Primo/Epico successfully already.

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01/15/12 9:00:00 PM
#372:


I think a good rule for House Shows would be once they start fighting someone on that tour the next defense count wouldnt up until they had a different house show opponent. Like if they go and fight Primo and Epico 20 nights in a row and its the same match they get 1 defense out of it.

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01/15/12 9:02:00 PM
#373:


Or one per every 4 weeks if it continues. My original thinking was rating champions based on how many defenses they have per 4 weeks.

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KJH
01/15/12 9:02:00 PM
#374:


It doesn't help much that both tag teams wear basically the same exact outfit and generally look similar in addition to not having any displayed personalities whatsoever and being so rarely featured that I don't even know signature moves, finishers, or tag moves.

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JaKyL25
01/15/12 9:08:00 PM
#375:


Okay, so I went through and counted.

INCLUDING House Shows, CM Punk has had 19 successful title defenses this reign, and Daniel Bryan has had 9.

NOT INCLUDING House Shows, Punk has had 3 and Bryan has had 2.

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01/15/12 9:13:00 PM
#376:


From: ScareChan | #372
I think a good rule for House Shows would be once they start fighting someone on that tour the next defense count wouldnt up until they had a different house show opponent. Like if they go and fight Primo and Epico 20 nights in a row and its the same match they get 1 defense out of it.


Okay, so after Punk won the title, he was defending against ADR on house shows, then defended against ADR on Raw, then started defending against Miz at house shows. He defended in the Triple Threat TLC match against ADR and Miz at the TLC PPV. He then defended the title against Miz some more at house shows until the Ziggler title defense on Raw, after which he has been defending against Ziggler at house shows.

After Bryan won the title, his first set of house show defenses was against Show and Henry in Triple Threat cage matches. Then the first defense on SD against Show happened, and ever since then the house show matches have been solo matches against Show, and then there was the defense on SD this week.

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01/15/12 9:25:00 PM
#377:


Maybe someday I'll go back and figure out the title defenses for all the WWE World Champions throughout history (might be a good project for the 50th anniversary of the WWE Title in 2013), but DO NOT expect me to do it for the secondary Championships. <_<

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01/15/12 9:36:00 PM
#378:


I was thinking more that we should take it from now on we keep track of it

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01/15/12 9:37:00 PM
#379:


So based on that info and your system, how many defenses would you say each guy has had?

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01/15/12 9:42:00 PM
#380:


Hmm... 7 to 4 I suppose.


Punk- ADR House Shows, ADR Raw, Miz house shows, Triple threat, Miz house shows (Since he competed against ADR in the
triple threat as well I am counting this as a break in the chain), Ziggler Raw, Ziggler House

Bryan- Show and Henry House shows, SD Defense, Show house shows, SD defense.

If Bryan keeps feuding with Show on the house circuit I won't count a new one until, say, after the Rumble.

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01/15/12 9:48:00 PM
#381:


From: JaKyL25 | #377
Maybe someday I'll go back and figure out the title defenses for all the WWE World Champions throughout history (might be a good project for the 50th anniversary of the WWE Title in 2013), but DO NOT expect me to do it for the secondary Championships. <_<


I demand it for the Hardcore Title.

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01/15/12 9:50:00 PM
#382:


Ha, Hardcore Title might actually be easier since all the house show title changes are actually chronicled. It wasn't actually "successfully defended" at house show much during the 24/7 era!

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01/15/12 9:51:00 PM
#383:


From: ScareChan | #380
Bryan- Show and Henry House shows, SD Defense, Show house shows, SD defense.

If Bryan keeps feuding with Show on the house circuit I won't count a new one until, say, after the Rumble.


One difference though is that the Show house show title defenses I bolded were cage matches, while the title defenses at THIS weekend's house shows are not.

Does that make a difference?

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01/15/12 9:55:00 PM
#384:


(And in case anyone's curious as to how Bryan is defending against Show now that cage escape is out of the picture, Barrett and Mahal are running in for the DQ <_<)

(Then Show and Sheamus chase them off and Bryan escapes with the belt)

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Wanglicious
01/15/12 9:59:00 PM
#385:


oh man.
what if dragon loses to show at a house show.

so indie it hurts.

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01/15/12 10:02:00 PM
#386:


From: JaKyL25 | #383
One difference though is that the Show house show title defenses I bolded were cage matches, while the title defenses at THIS weekend's house shows are not.

Does that make a difference?


Yeah that would make a difference. Alternatively you could just count the next house circuit as one after each TV defense. It would pad things slightly (basically every TV defense would net you 2 points) but it might paint a better picture of things.

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01/15/12 10:03:00 PM
#387:


imho house shows shouldn't count AT ALL

not even when the title actually changes

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01/15/12 10:06:00 PM
#388:


From: SmartMuffin | #387
imho house shows shouldn't count AT ALL

not even when the title actually changes


Honestly when I made the question/statement I was not accounting for house shows at all, but there are the rare occuences when the title does change hands at them so I can see the case for counting them as well. I think the system I brought up should be pretty close to a standing for seeing how solid a person's actual reign was. Like Cena's initial reign was pretty damn good since IIRC he defended it at every PPV and about once a month on TV as well which was pretty strong considering his competition was mostly Angle.

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01/15/12 10:15:00 PM
#389:


TrueKofi Kofi Kingston
Well. You can't be a multiple time champion without losing. Tomorrow, RAW in Anaheim. We will have our rematch.


LOL Kofi, what a stat-padder.

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01/15/12 10:25:00 PM
#390:


Is Mahal still with Khali's sister in Kayfabe?

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01/15/12 10:29:00 PM
#391:


They've never said they got divorced, so...yes?

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01/15/12 11:07:00 PM
#392:


hey, I'm rallying for HBK

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/61665315

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01/16/12 7:26:00 AM
#393:


So, I'm hoping when all is said and done, it's revealed that AJ has been a double-agent this whole time, manipulating events to the benefit of her REAL love interest... Mark Henry.

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01/16/12 8:29:00 AM
#394:


Jakyl Fun Fact
Yesterday, Beth Phoenix passed Kelly Kelly to move her Divas Title reign into 3rd place all-time for that title.

The title has only existed for 3 1/2 years, but it's still notable!

The two reigns ahead of her are the first two reigns, actually. McCool had the title for 155 days, and then Maryse for 216. Beth currently is on Day 106.

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01/16/12 8:32:00 AM
#395:


From: SmartMuffin | #393
So, I'm hoping when all is said and done, it's revealed that AJ has been a double-agent this whole time, manipulating events to the benefit of her REAL love interest... Mark Henry.


Then all the fans who've taken to chanting Sexual Chocolate at him in recent months will have even more reason to do so

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01/16/12 8:36:00 AM
#396:


From: JaKyL25 | #394
Jakyl Fun Fact
Yesterday, Beth Phoenix passed Kelly Kelly to move her Divas Title reign into 3rd place all-time for that title.

The title has only existed for 3 1/2 years, but it's still notable!

The two reigns ahead of her are the first two reigns, actually. McCool had the title for 155 days, and then Maryse for 216. Beth currently is on Day 106.


She's holding it till Natalya turns on her imo

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01/16/12 8:42:00 AM
#397:


They don't even seem to be a team anymore. <_<

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01/16/12 8:44:00 AM
#398:


To be fair, Beth hasn't been around for the month where Natalya has been a constant jobber.

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01/16/12 8:44:00 AM
#399:


Clearly lasted longer than the dungeon of doom.

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01/16/12 8:48:00 AM
#400:


There are more lengthy title reign Jakyl Fun Facts coming later this week, so stay tuned!

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