Board 8 > Is there a philosophical form of Christianity?

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LOLContests
12/24/11 7:51:00 PM
#1:


Like a non-religious version that sees Jesus's teachings in the New Testament as good philosophical morals to live by, but not because he was the Son of God or anything. Kind of similar to Confucianism, in that it is a philosophical rather than religious system.* Is Unitarianism the closest thing to this?

*I know that Confucianism being/not being a religion is up for debate.

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WazzupGenius00
12/24/11 7:55:00 PM
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There's some who believe that Jesus was just a man, not the son of God, but that he was still anointed by God to do good works and teach the ways of God. What you're talking about would probably not be considered "Christian" by most, though.

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Tom Bombadil
12/24/11 7:56:00 PM
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I think there are a lot of people who believe that, but I don't know that there's a formal designation or organization.

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dethfdddddh
12/24/11 8:00:00 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

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Wanglicious
12/24/11 8:02:00 PM
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i think jehova's witnesses don't believe he was the son of god.
but they also believe that heaven has a limit to it, yet still will try to convert people. that one doesn't even make sense by the religion itself.

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dethfdddddh
12/24/11 8:05:00 PM
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Wanglicious posted...
i think jehova's witnesses don't believe he was the son of god.
but they also believe that heaven has a limit to it, yet still will try to convert people. that one doesn't even make sense by the religion itself.


If they follow the Calvinist concept of predestination, they may see it as their God given duty to convert those He has chosen to save.

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HanOfTheNekos
12/24/11 8:05:00 PM
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I wouldn't put a name to it. But a lot of Christians are like this. The ones who aren't hyper-conservative, or just plain stupid.

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azuarc
12/24/11 8:23:00 PM
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dethfdddddh posted...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

I would have simply called it "Having Morals." Doesn't pretty much every religion preach the same general ideals, and then add their own nuances like no meat on Fridays or no pork at all or no dairy products on our meat dishes?

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dethfdddddh
12/24/11 8:25:00 PM
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azuarc posted...
dethfdddddh posted...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

I would have simply called it "Having Morals." Doesn't pretty much every religion preach the same general ideals, and then add their own nuances like no meat on Fridays or no pork at all or no dairy products on our meat dishes?


The reincarnation of Buddhism/Hinduism is nowhere to be found in the Abrahamic faiths.

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red sox 777
12/24/11 8:28:00 PM
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That would not be Christianity. Christianity is about God far more than it is about humans. In that sense it is quite different from most religions and philosophy- the question is not: "are you moral?" Rather, it is: "who is God?"

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12/24/11 8:29:00 PM
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dethfdddddh posted...
The reincarnation of Buddhism/Hinduism is nowhere to be found in the Abrahamic faiths.

Rewards =/= morals

Presumably if you're throwing out the belief in the deities and just following the teachings, then you're throwing out belief in heaven/hell/reincarnation/whatever too.

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dethfdddddh
12/24/11 8:31:00 PM
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red sox 777 posted...
That would not be Christianity. Christianity is about God far more than it is about humans. In that sense it is quite different from most religions and philosophy- the question is not: "are you moral?" Rather, it is: "who is God?"

IDK, Christian humanism suggests that Christianity can also celebrate mankind.

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red sox 777
12/24/11 8:36:00 PM
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And Jesus's teachings make no sense in the absence of God. Someone asked Jesus what the most important commandments in the Old Testament were, and Jesus replied:

1. Love the LORD your God.
2. Love your neighbor as yourself.

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Tom Bombadil
12/24/11 8:41:00 PM
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From: dethfdddddh | Posted: 12/24/2011 10:40:08 PM | #014
In that case, Islam is more forgiving of violence than Christianity.


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dethfdddddh
12/24/11 8:41:00 PM
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metroid composite posted...
dethfdddddh posted...
The reincarnation of Buddhism/Hinduism is nowhere to be found in the Abrahamic faiths.

Rewards =/= morals

Presumably if you're throwing out the belief in the deities and just following the teachings, then you're throwing out belief in heaven/hell/reincarnation/whatever too.


In that case, Islam is more forgiving of violence than Christianity.

Although that depends on how you interpret Matthew 10:34 (I came not to bring peace, but to bring a sword...)

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dethfdddddh
12/24/11 8:44:00 PM
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Tom Bombadil posted...
From: dethfdddddh | Posted: 12/24/2011 10:40:08 PM | #014
In that case, Islam is more forgiving of violence than Christianity.
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The notion of Jihad/holy warfare doesn't have a counterpart in Christianity as described in the Bible.

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HanOfTheNekos
12/24/11 8:46:00 PM
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Nobody in the past would have cared for Jesus's teachings if he wasn't the Son of God. Means to an end. Believe if he is or not, he still taught good things, which are good moral standards to live by.

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dethfdddddh
12/24/11 8:55:00 PM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
Nobody in the past would have cared for Jesus's teachings if he wasn't the Son of God. Means to an end. Believe if he is or not, he still taught good things, which are good moral standards to live by.

That depends on whether you accept pacifism; to some, it's a life denying philosophy that asks people to endure violence rather than defend themselves.

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Paratroopa1
12/24/11 9:31:00 PM
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Is there a philosophical form of Christianity?

It's called being an ex-Christian. I used to be Catholic, I think basically everything about the religion is a load of s*** now but I still see a lot of strength in the New Testament's moral teachings. That whole "love your neighbor as yourself" stuff? I think it's pretty rad.
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RevolverSaro
12/24/11 9:36:00 PM
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I'm an atheist myself, but I think there are some good lessons from the bible. I don't see anything wrong with cherrypicking the parts you agree with and discarding what you think is outdated/morally incorrect/silly/etc. In fact, I think a lot of good can come from that. I actually think people should look towards many religions and view them for their philosophical qualities

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