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FateStayAlbion
01/02/12 8:52:00 AM
#301:


TRE Public Account posted...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4330

That's a better poll to use.


Ah yes, I forgot about that one.

Batman likely will be about Portal 2 level, or maybe a tiny bit below, as well. Best case scenario for B/W is likely 5th place.

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pjbasis
01/02/12 11:09:00 AM
#302:


Skyward Sword could probably take Wind Waker easily.

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Lightning Strikes
01/02/12 3:00:00 PM
#303:


FateStayAlbion posted...
Handheld games always bomb in overall GotY, and I doubt this year will be any different.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4217

Probably won't be much stronger than HG/SS, which was a bit below GoW3 and Starcraft 2


Conversely, HG/SS was only 1% from GoW3. And with SMG2 in the way, there's little doubt that it (a remake mind you) was probably number 3 that year. Handheld games bombing in GotY polls is a myth, they just have to be strong enough. Pokémon is strong enough. There's no anti-handheld stigma. we all just dreamed that up. Look how GotD turned out!

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LeonhartFour
01/02/12 3:02:00 PM
#304:


From: Lightning Strikes | #303
There's no anti-handheld stigma. we all just dreamed that up. Look how GotD turned out!


Which part?

It's not really an anti-handheld stigma, really. It's more of a "They rarely put out anything that can compete with the best console games."

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Lightning Strikes
01/02/12 3:18:00 PM
#305:


LeonhartFour posted...
It's not really an anti-handheld stigma, really. It's more of a "They rarely put out anything that can compete with the best console games."

The part where every handheld game there put out a strong performance, some beating major console games. People badly underestimated handheld games just because they were handheld games, but there are some strong ones. Yes, ones competing with console games is rare, but you know what series has that strength? Pokémon. Being from a handheld does not by itself reduce poll strength.

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HaRRicH
01/02/12 4:15:00 PM
#306:


Handheld-games can be strong, but it's not like they often are -- especially in this setting. MK:DS is the only handheld-game to ever make the final-GotY poll, and that was in a weak year (coincidentally also being competitive with a GoW-game that year). HG/SS likely should have been our #3 game in 2010 and BW deserves some credit this year for being our #2-game last time we tested 2011's GotY-standings, but BW is on an outdated system (which probably hurt GoW2 in 2007's GotY-polls) and this year is more stacked than 2010. ME2 = Skyrim, LoZ:SS > SMG2, and either Portal 2 or Batman: Arkham City should beat GoW3...so BW needs to be both stronger and more SFF-resilient. That's a tall order for a game on a handheld from the last generation to overcome in a GotY-setting.



pjbasis posted...
Skyward Sword could probably take Wind Waker easily.

I'm not convinced. LoZ:SS will have a hard time competing with LoZ:TP since the periods of the Wii's lifespan they're released in are vastly different; LoZ:TP completely sold GameFAQs on the Wii despite being multi-platform while nowadays that same Wii has struggled to stay relevant the past three years and is about to become irrelevant again.

LoZ:WW also had to face LoZ:MM, making SFF pretty reasonable...so considering LoZ:TP and LoZ:WW aren't that far apart anyway, LoZ:SS will need to prove itself more. It's still the least-hyped LoZ-game, the only one with full motion controls, and possibly the only one that couldn't win its GotY-award -- I think LoZ:WW can handle that.

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pjbasis
01/02/12 4:52:00 PM
#307:


I doubt there was much SFF in WW/MM.

This doesn't really happen to games unless the fanbase really prefers one.

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-LusterSoldier-
01/02/12 4:54:00 PM
#308:


BW should consider itself lucky that it's on the DS instead of the 3DS, because the 3DS still has a low ownership rate on this site. BW would have had trouble doing well if it's on a system with a poor ownership rate.

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LeonhartFour
01/02/12 5:03:00 PM
#309:


From: Lightning Strikes | #305
Yes, ones competing with console games is rare, but you know what series has that strength? Pokémon. Being from a handheld does not by itself reduce poll strength.


Pokemon sounds like the exception rather than the rule.

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red sox 777
01/02/12 5:05:00 PM
#310:


I'm pretty convinced SS beats WW, not because of any poll data, but because it just seems better liked than WW.

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Lightning Strikes
01/02/12 5:34:00 PM
#311:


LeonhartFour posted...
Pokemon sounds like the exception rather than the rule.

Not the point. The point is that it can happen, and there are strong handheld games other than Pokémon. Hell, I'd (discounting SFF) take Golden Sun and Metroid Fusion over R/S/E at the very least.

Incidentally, I can't see Skyward Sword being weaker than Wind Waker.

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LeonhartFour
01/02/12 5:35:00 PM
#312:


From: Lightning Strikes | #311
The point is that it can happen


The counterpoint is that I never said it couldn't then.

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Lightning Strikes
01/02/12 5:38:00 PM
#313:


This conversation is officially pointless

I mean what are we trying to prove anymore?

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LeonhartFour
01/02/12 5:39:00 PM
#314:


I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.

But the point is that handheld games in general are weaker than console games.

Not sure why you'd actually try to argue against that because we have Pokemon games and Golden Sun, but whatever.

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Lightning Strikes
01/02/12 5:47:00 PM
#315:


All I'm saying is

Not necessarily

Albion's argument: Handheld games bomb (in reference to Pokémon)
My argument: Not always (Pokémon, for instance)

How often or how many strong handheld games there are relative to console games (which is unfair, as it's a far narrower field) is besides the point.

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FateStayAlbion
01/02/12 9:01:00 PM
#316:


Only got to the D's... we might have 4 days of multiplatform polls

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charmander6000
01/02/12 9:01:00 PM
#317:


Batman's got this

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Team Rocket Elite
01/02/12 9:01:00 PM
#318:


Batman: Arkham City is looking good here.

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jacko_vdz
01/02/12 9:02:00 PM
#319:


Go Batman!

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TheKoolAidShoto
01/02/12 9:02:00 PM
#320:


yeeeeeeees first Bulletstorm vote

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charmander6000
01/02/12 9:04:00 PM
#321:


So how about that Dark Souls?

>_>

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FateStayAlbion
01/02/12 9:05:00 PM
#322:


Yeah, Dark Souls isn't looking too hot. MW3 probably beats it here, knowing how bad the CoD board vote is

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TheKoolAidShoto
01/02/12 9:05:00 PM
#323:


*hi-fives other Bulletstorm voter*

Whoever you are, you're awesome

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-LusterSoldier-
01/02/12 9:07:00 PM
#324:


One of the Bulletstorm voters is from Australia, though.

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WarThaNemesis2
01/02/12 9:12:00 PM
#325:


Jesus Christ, Batman is a monster.

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TheKoolAidShoto
01/02/12 9:12:00 PM
#326:


What, Australians can't be awesome?

LusterRacist

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FateStayAlbion
01/02/12 9:13:00 PM
#327:


Man, Batman rose from the board vote like 2%. Its looking pretty damn impressive here... Getting like 75% on Modern Warfare 3 is no joke

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Team Rocket Elite
01/02/12 9:13:00 PM
#328:


It looks like the Multi-Platform polls are going to be divided alphabetically like last year.

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pjbasis
01/02/12 9:13:00 PM
#329:


Oh sweet LBP2 ended up overtaking Kirby. Must've been the SNV.

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Team Rocket Elite
01/02/12 9:15:00 PM
#330:


Man, Batman rose from the board vote like 2%. Its looking pretty damn impressive here... Getting like 75% on Modern Warfare 3 is no joke

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4507
It's not bad but it might not be quite what it needs to make a run at Skyrim.

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-LusterSoldier-
01/02/12 9:15:00 PM
#331:


Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 1/3/2012 12:13:26 AM | message detail | quote
It looks like the Multi-Platform polls are going to be divided alphabetically like last year.


Bacon has a habit of ordering poll options alphabetically whenever there is a poll that contains games in it.

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WarThaNemesis2
01/02/12 9:15:00 PM
#332:


I know cross-year GotY polls aren't good to use, but..

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3722

I know CoD has fallen off hard since 2009, but still, god damn. I thought Dark Souls met the hype, but Batman is beating it way way worse than it did back in those hype polls.

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Team Rocket Elite
01/02/12 9:16:00 PM
#333:


Bacon has a habit of ordering poll options alphabetically whenever there is a poll that contains games in it.

I meant across multiple polls. He could have mixed them up like with the vote-ins or separated games that are suspected to be top contenders.

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-LusterSoldier-
01/02/12 9:19:00 PM
#334:


Yeah, something like this would have been better:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4047
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4048
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4049

The games are still listed alphabetically, but at least he mixed up across multiple polls.

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WarThaNemesis2
01/02/12 9:20:00 PM
#335:


So does this mean we're likely to see Portal 2 vs. Skyrim straight-up two days from now?

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FateStayAlbion
01/02/12 9:22:00 PM
#336:


WarThaNemesis2 posted...
So does this mean we're likely to see Portal 2 vs. Skyrim straight-up two days from now?

Skyrim probably will be tomorrow, since he'll go with "Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim"

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WarThaNemesis2
01/02/12 9:23:00 PM
#337:


Isn't the title The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, just like how while we call it Legend of Zelda it's The Legend of Zelda?

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-LusterSoldier-
01/02/12 9:26:00 PM
#339:


It might be in tomorrow's poll, because Skyrim is listed under the E section of the PC/PS3/Xbox 360.

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Ultimaphazon
01/02/12 9:27:00 PM
#340:


That's what I was wondering. They are fairly close alphabetically, so it's certainly possible. Bacon should use at least the top 2 from each poll for the final Multi-plat GOTY, so it won't be an issue of Portal 2 not getting a fair chance of being there.

BTW, just seeing this poll shows how stacked multi-plat really was last year. So much good stuff.

EDIT: Nevermind. Good point about the name being Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim.

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Kotetsu534
01/02/12 9:27:00 PM
#341:


- In the end Zelda couldn't even double Uncharted 3. The hype poll actually overrated it a little, heh.
- Dark Souls isn't a threat and will probably lose to Modern Warfare 3... but I don't think anyone apart from a couple of its fans actually suggested otherwise.
- Arkham City putting up some impressive numbers. Still think it'll find Portal 2 a tough cookie!
- What's all this Pokemon talk? Black/White got thrashed twice by Portal 2 after they were both released... it's not making the final poll.
- Prediction: Zelda ends up closer to 3rd place than 1st in the final poll.

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Kotetsu534
01/02/12 9:30:00 PM
#342:


Hopefully Catherine makes the New IP poll. Be a bit strange to have characters get through a vote-in poll and into the contest and not have the game show up. And it wouldn't shock me if it sneaked into a 128 Games Contest next year, so it'd be nice to have a read on it.

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Team Rocket Elite
01/02/12 9:30:00 PM
#343:


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4454
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4507

"The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim"

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Kotetsu534
01/02/12 9:32:00 PM
#344:


Hmm, assuming it's top two advancing, this could be quite the fight between Dark Souls and MW3 for the last qualifying spot. Dark Souls currently up by 10, but the day vote will give MW3 a boost so it needs to pull away over the next few hours.

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WarThaNemesis2
01/02/12 9:33:00 PM
#345:


Wait were vanilla MvC3 and UMvC3 both released this year? If Bacon ignores The I say he should ignore Ultimate too. Come on, give us a comedy MvC3 vs. UMvC3 match.

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ZFS
01/02/12 9:37:00 PM
#346:


Shame to see one of my favorite games doing this badly.

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WarThaNemesis2
01/02/12 9:39:00 PM
#347:


I didn't know you were a Child of Eden fan!

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MoogleKupo141
01/02/12 9:48:00 PM
#348:


it's so weird that Child of Eden is in this poll, but Catherine isn't

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KamikazePotato
01/02/12 9:48:00 PM
#349:


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LeonhartFour
01/02/12 9:51:00 PM
#350:


Tremble in terror Link

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