Board 8 > Do you still take the "near-elite" Square characters over Ganondorf?

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PartOfYourWorld
12/18/11 12:20:00 AM
#1:


Vincent
Tifa
Squall
Auron
Crono (at this point, we may as well throw him in)

Let's assume they get Ganon in a fair 24-hour match (as a day or night match benefits one side tremendously). How many of them do you take over ol' dorfy? I'll probably still take Crono, but I may favor Ganondorf over the other four. If Nintendo gets people hyped at E3, however, I may take him over the whole lot.

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The Utility Man
12/18/11 12:21:00 AM
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Yes to all except maybe Tifa.

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FashnQueenEtna
12/18/11 12:23:00 AM
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Yes to all

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Iamthekuzalol
12/18/11 12:29:00 AM
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I would still take Squall and Vincent over Ganondorf. Crono/Tifa/Auron vs Ganondorf would be close IMO. (Not having too much faith in Crono nowadays. He is just getting more and more irrelevant as the years go by)
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SuperAngelo128
12/18/11 12:30:00 AM
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all except Auron and Tifa

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PartOfYourWorld
12/18/11 12:39:00 AM
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From: Iamthekuzalol | #004
Not having too much faith in Crono nowadays. He is just getting more and more irrelevant as the years go by


Sadly, yes. Crono's first round performance - initially thought to be good - is now turning out to be less so. That said, I still fear him most in this scenario because he's the only one who can mobilize some old school Nintendo support, and that would hurt Ganon. The other four make it a total Ninty vs. Square slugfest; Crono, less so. Squall is a tough one, as he clearly threw down a better percentage beatdown against Akuma in 2010 than Ganon did against Ken. However, I always figured Ken to be #2 Street Fighter guy. Assuming Ganon = Squall, Ken would beat Akuma with about 55%, which I think is pretty reasonable.

Tifa, Auron, and Vincent are pretty easy for me. Auron is a step below Squall which automatically means taking him over Ganon is too risky. Tifa doesn't seem like she has the raw strength. Vincent killed brackets in 2006, but that was then. FFVII seems a bit more hated and certainly less relevant on this site than it was 5-6 years ago.

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Wanglicious
12/18/11 12:48:00 AM
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think it's less being hated and more of it suffering from the same thing as CT. unsurprisingly down to the times - CT's decline started a few years ago and if were to match release dates to contest declining performance i'd expect them to be similar. CT in peak form was a monster. not to the level of FF7, but it was still a good 4th or 5th at one point. stayed fairly similar for a year or two, then dropped a little before a lot. same is happening to FF7 though the hard drop probably won't happen that easily. makes sense that it would when you're a standalone game. spinoffs and cameos can help, but still ain't the same.

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Lopen
12/18/11 12:48:00 AM
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Ganondorf already beat Auron 55-45 so I'm not even sure why he's on that list.

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PartOfYourWorld
12/18/11 12:54:00 AM
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From: Lopen | #008
Ganondorf already beat Auron 55-45 so I'm not even sure why he's on that list.


Both Ganon and Bowser were in their beastliest in 2005 when that match happened. The general consensus here was that Auron would win the rematch (he looked a hell of a lot better in 4ways, smashing Bowser and beating Sonic easily before Kirby did), and Auron was probably the favorite until this match started. He might still be the favorite right now.

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Lopen
12/18/11 1:06:00 AM
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Eh, I just chalk that up to 4 ways. Auron didn't do anything too special in the last character battle.

Granted, I'd probably take all of them over Ganondorf but it's a toss up and really it's just me being biased in a toss up match because I can. Crono and Vincent would be the only two I feel terribly confident in, but he's certainly in striking range of either one.

But to your point, this match has no bearing on how I feel about Ganondorf. This format is just dumb. People are "respecting" the rivalries that have age and number of games behind them. Glorified series contest. I don't think this is a Zelda boost or even a Nintendo boost exactly-- it's just that the rivalries from your franchises that aren't Nintendo based evolve from game to game rather than being the same thing over and over, so they don't get the full power of the "series" based voting we're seeing here.

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AxemRedRanger
12/18/11 1:48:00 AM
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Auron got a KHII appearance in 2006 and looked pretty close to Ganondorf that year.

Ganondorf was benefiting from TP hype in 2005 and 2006. He may be around that strength again now or even stronger, but if he is, I doubt the boost will stick, like his TP hype boost didn't seem to stick. Once the Skyward Sword buzz wears off he'll probably be stronger than he was before SS but not by a lot.

Hold the match within the next few months and I say Ganondorf has a great shot at all of these guys.

Hold the match two years from now and...Ganondorf might still win if Square drops a good amount, but barring that I say he probably loses to all of them except maybe Tifa.

Also:
2007 Auron came close to Ryu with Cloud also in the poll.
2008 Auron beat Kratos with Sephiroth also in the poll. (Something Tifa failed to do.)
2008 Ganondorf lost to Gordon Freeman with Samus also in the poll.

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JJH777
12/18/11 3:26:00 AM
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Aside from Crono I don't even take them over the other near-elite Nintendo characters. Luigi, Bowser, Yoshi, Red, all beat them at this point. Even assuming Sora stayed at the same strength (he probably weakened) then Squall simply loses to Bowser and I think Luigi/Yoshi are pretty much equal to him if not stronger. Vincent and Tifa are probably stronger than Squall but not enough that it makes me willing to take them over them.

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