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SBAllen
12/16/11 3:40:00 PM
#1:


Final Battle Form is live: http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/rivals_battle_entry_final.html

Battle Schedule:
Friday 9PM: Semifinal 1: Mario/Bowser x Red/Blue
Saturday 9PM: Semifinal 2: Link/Ganon x Cloud/Sephiroth
Sunday 9PM: Third-Place Battle: Loser of Semifinal 1 vs. Loser of Semifinal 2
Monday 9PM: Final: Winner of Semifinal 1 vs. Winner of Semifinal 2

Final Battle Pick form should be online by 9:30PM Sunday, if not before.

Battle pic submissions will be checked after 4PM each day (any time between 4 and 9, tbh).

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Menji76
12/16/11 3:42:00 PM
#2:


Glad to see you run on the right time zone.

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X_Dante_X
12/16/11 3:43:00 PM
#3:


Oh cool, guess I don't need to send two crew analysis at once now!

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transience
12/16/11 3:45:00 PM
#4:


oh god. we finally have a real tiebreaker for the perfect battle brackets!

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Zylo the wolf
12/16/11 3:45:00 PM
#5:


omfg FIRST PAGE

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sword0flight
12/16/11 3:50:00 PM
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PartOfYourWorld
12/16/11 3:54:00 PM
#7:


Bold prediction: this will do nothing to stop the HIVE.

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_Regaro_
12/16/11 3:55:00 PM
#8:


interesting, to say the least

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AlecTrevelyan006
12/16/11 3:55:00 PM
#9:


Well this is going to be an embarassing battle.

It will REALLY mess with the x-stats though, so I approve.

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X_Dante_X
12/16/11 3:55:00 PM
#10:


every perfect bracket get within 1%

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PartOfYourWorld
12/16/11 3:59:00 PM
#11:


Hmm... the "increments" ruling for the percentage pick makes things much more difficult for this final. If I wanted to go with a 10% pick, I couldn't modify it so that the 10% falls between 55-65%. It would have to be either 50-60% or 60-70%. This is very tricky, as I'd imagine the consensus expectation for the final is Link>Mario with right around 60%.

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sword0flight
12/16/11 4:04:00 PM
#12:


This seems interesting. I misunderstood it at my earlier post.
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XIII_rocks
12/16/11 4:10:00 PM
#13:


Oh good lord.

Now I'm scared.

Probably still just going to go with Straight Link all points though, as tempting as THE GLORY is.

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SabrielAbhorsen
12/16/11 4:14:00 PM
#14:


PartOfYourWorld posted...
Bold prediction: this will do nothing to stop the HIVE.

It should do something. I'll be surprised if we have more than 5 people tied for first by the end now.

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th3l3fty
12/16/11 4:18:00 PM
#15:


the winner is probably going to succeed on a 1% bet

and if they do, I will applaud them for their gutsy pick

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SBell0105
12/16/11 4:20:00 PM
#16:


but, what if i don't have any banked points?

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PartOfYourWorld
12/16/11 4:20:00 PM
#17:


Yep, I made that comment prematurely. This was a pretty good idea, although in this case, I think the 10% risk is useless (unless the semis really suggest otherwise, I doubt Link beats Mario with less than 55% or more than 65%). I also have a hard time picturing any of the remaining perfects being crazy enough gamblers to risk a 63-match streak on 1% accuracy. The 5% risks will probably separate the top prizes from everyone else.

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XIII_rocks
12/16/11 4:21:00 PM
#18:


Meh.

True perfection is out of my reach now because I am not touching that 1% pick. I'll just bank all my points on straight link and hope that's enough to at least put me on the leaderboard when all is said and done.

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-LusterSoldier-
12/16/11 4:27:00 PM
#19:


I think I can successfully pull off a 5% pick here, but a 1% pick seems too risky. If the final was actually Link/Cloud, I might risk it all on a 1% pick. At least Link/Cloud is pretty much expected to fall between 52% and 55%.

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XIII_rocks
12/16/11 4:29:00 PM
#20:


I will now have nightmares about predicting 56-66% for Link and Link finishing with 66.01%

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BK_Sheikah00
12/16/11 4:52:00 PM
#21:


Guess I'll be paying attention to the Oracle for once.

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Xuxon
12/16/11 4:52:00 PM
#22:


dammit i might not have picked Ryu if i knew my 111k tiebreaker could still win
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firefdr
12/16/11 5:16:00 PM
#23:


You're all gonna lose when Red beats Mario anyways
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Cledis
12/16/11 5:39:00 PM
#24:


Wow, what the hell!! It sure would have been nice to know about these final battle rules BEFORE I chose to risk my perfect battle streak on a Frog/Magus upset only because my tiebreaker was 125k. Shouldn't these rules have been included with all the info before the contest started?!? Throwing in new rules in the middle of a contest is about as amateur as it gets!

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transience
12/16/11 5:56:00 PM
#25:


I kinda agree with Cledis. if I had a bad tiebreaker I would have gone all in on Sora.

not that I have a good tiebreaker, but eh. maybe I could win $10 or whatever the tenth place prize is.

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iGenesis
12/16/11 6:25:00 PM
#26:


Oh boy. Now we got a real tiebreaker (groan)

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AppIekidjosh
12/16/11 6:52:00 PM
#27:


Haha this is hilarious

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iGenesis
12/16/11 6:55:00 PM
#28:


Since it's pretty much a given that, barring any freak upset,
(1) only folks who have perfect entries up to this point will be competitive; and
(2) the folks with perfect entries will have to bet everything in order to win

why not just make things simple and have the battlers define their own bounds [min, max] ? Assuming the entrant picked the correct winner with the actual percentage within [min, max], the tiebreaker would then be the value of (max - min).

So for example, if Link beats Mario with 61.55%,
- someone who set the bounds [60.00, 63.50] would have a tiebreaker score of 3.50.
- someone who set the bounds [50.00, 70.00] would have a tiebreaker score of 20.00.
- someone who set the bounds [50.00, 100.00] would have a tiebreaker score of 50.00
where lower is better.

on a score basis, you can normalise it so that
(max - min) = 50.00 has a multiplier of 100%,
(max - min) = 1.00 has a multiplier of 200%,
(max - min) = 0.00 has a multiplier of 1000%

with the current setup there are going to be a lot of ties at the 10% level and another load of ties for straight pick. with flexible granularity up to 0.01 on either bound, there will be a lot fewer ties.

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IngmarBirdman
12/16/11 7:28:00 PM
#29:


In the final battle, The Kid vs. The Guy beats Meat Boy vs. Dr. Fetus, with 64.35% of the total vote vs. 35.65%.

Wrong teams, but those arbitrary numbers seem about right...

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Ngamer64
12/16/11 7:28:00 PM
#30:


Great addition SB, we really needed something to break up all those still-perfect pickers, and this should do the trick!

But people DO have a point about how odd it is to add a twist at the last minute like this...

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iamjosh308
12/16/11 9:36:00 PM
#31:


what a big dump
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Shoenin_Kakashi
12/16/11 11:24:00 PM
#32:


Hijo de perra

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__Smurf__
12/17/11 5:19:00 AM
#33:


Something like this would be a pretty cool addition for the battle challenge in every round.

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Pizzaknight
12/17/11 10:55:00 AM
#34:


Agreed. That would be sweet.
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JeffreyRaze
12/17/11 2:50:00 PM
#35:


Reminder: Non-Perfect battle brackets can now win this unless a perfect gets the 1%.

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__Smurf__
12/17/11 4:29:00 PM
#36:


According to my math, assuming at least one perfect battler takes a straight pick on Link it'll mean on current scores (prior to points from Mario) you'd need to have 113633 at risk.

Which is only 18 extra which aren't perfect who could possibly win it.

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JeffreyRaze
12/17/11 4:38:00 PM
#37:


Still, that's relatively significant, and if the top non-perfects get a 1% accuracy, it'll win over even a perfect 5% accuracy pick. Probably won't come up, but it's still interesting to think about.

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Mershaaay
12/18/11 12:02:00 PM
#38:


Dear SBAllen,


This is literally the only way to make an exciting contest in the future:

Best Game Ever III: Best Game By System

16 systems, 16 games per system

-Arcade
-PC
-NES
-SNES
-N64
-GCN
-Wii
-SMS/Genesis
-Saturn/Dreamcast
-PS1
-PS2
-PS3
-XBox
-360
-All handhelds
-Other (not released on any of the above)

Winner of each advances to the tourney proper... the final 4 may be predictable but you can't tell me you think the winners of every round would be easy to predict!

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Ngamer64
12/18/11 4:03:00 PM
#39:


Mershaaay posted...
Dear SBAllen,

This is literally the only way to make an exciting contest in the future:

Best Game Ever III: Best Game By System

16 systems, 16 games per system

-Arcade
-PC
-NES
-SNES
-N64
-GCN
-Wii
-SMS/Genesis
-Saturn/Dreamcast
-PS1
-PS2
-PS3
-XBox
-360
-All handhelds
-Other (not released on any of the above)

Winner of each advances to the tourney proper... the final 4 may be predictable but you can't tell me you think the winners of every round would be easy to predict!


Dear SB,

Please ignore that person. Forcing games to start out competing against only their own generation/system yet again would be the worst idea possible- we already tried that in both 2004 and 2009, with really dull results.

All the next 1v1 128 Game Contest needs is to be run just like Game of the Decade, but also include the best games of the 80s and 90s together with the big games of the last two years, NOT divided by generation or system. If you also remove the Champions of the previous 3 games contests, it'll be really exciting and unpredictable right down to the final round.

Thanks SB!

Your pal,
~Ng

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Mershaaay
12/18/11 7:09:00 PM
#40:


Ngamer64 posted...
Mershaaay posted...
Dear SBAllen,

This is literally the only way to make an exciting contest in the future:

Best Game Ever III: Best Game By System

16 systems, 16 games per system

-Arcade
-PC
-NES
-SNES
-N64
-GCN
-Wii
-SMS/Genesis
-Saturn/Dreamcast
-PS1
-PS2
-PS3
-XBox
-360
-All handhelds
-Other (not released on any of the above)

Winner of each advances to the tourney proper... the final 4 may be predictable but you can't tell me you think the winners of every round would be easy to predict!

Dear SB,

Please ignore that person. Forcing games to start out competing against only their own generation/system yet again would be the worst idea possible- we already tried that in both 2004 and 2009, with really dull results.

All the next 1v1 128 Game Contest needs is to be run just like Game of the Decade, but also include the best games of the 80s and 90s together with the big games of the last two years, NOT divided by generation or system. If you also remove the Champions of the previous 3 games contests, it'll be really exciting and unpredictable right down to the final round.

Thanks SB!

Your pal,
~Ng





No, because the games will not just be split by era, but by DEVELOPER essentially. That way Nintendo can be pushed into its own little crappy corner and we can see more interesting matches in the others.

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LeonhartFour
12/18/11 7:33:00 PM
#41:


You realize all you're doing is facilitating tons and tons of SFF (read: the worst kind of boring) matches, right

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Link versus Cloud
12/18/11 9:37:00 PM
#42:


where is the form?

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Mershaaay
12/19/11 7:21:00 AM
#43:


LeonhartFour posted...
You realize all you're doing is facilitating tons and tons of SFF (read: the worst kind of boring) matches, right

at least it will be hard to predict

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LeonhartFour
12/19/11 3:56:00 PM
#44:


From: Mershaaay | #043
at least it will be hard to predict


Yes, because having the actual matches be good doesn't matter.

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Ngamer64
12/19/11 4:17:00 PM
#45:


Link versus Cloud posted...
where is the form?

It's here:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/rivals_battle_entry_final.html


And forcing all of Nintendo into one quarter of the bracket makes that quarter hugely boring, predictable, and with low votals. It also lowers interest and vote totals for all the matches after that, since all of the most popular games (except one) will have been eliminated. After a low votal Contest like this current one, that's going to be the last thing SB is looking for.

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Ryoten22
12/19/11 4:58:00 PM
#46:


Who cares about any of this. They put Cloud and Sephiroth in the contest which means they're going to win. Just like every year they hold these contests. Same old story, no new outcome.
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calzone420
12/19/11 6:23:00 PM
#47:


If pokemon trainer or whatever the heck it is (No one over 25 has most likely even ever seen a pokemon game or show) wins. I will have lost my faith in peoples ideas of CLASSIC gaming rivalries. I hope that its getting votes as a joke and people really aren't seriously thinking that it is the biggest gaming rivalry of all time. S...M...MFn...H

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UltimateWai
12/19/11 7:10:00 PM
#48:


Well, looks like Red VS Blue has the upper hand ever so slightly.

Surely those wacky people at slash vee pee slash have a hand on this.

Ye gods, this might end up being actually FUN for once.

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Ngamer64
12/19/11 9:14:00 PM
#49:


Ryoten22 posted...
Who cares about any of this. They put Cloud and Sephiroth in the contest which means they're going to win. Just like every year they hold these contests. Same old story, no new outcome.

FINAL FANTASY ALWAYS WINS, I know!

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firebotslash
12/19/11 9:23:00 PM
#50:


Please ignore that person. Forcing games to start out competing against only their own generation/system yet again would be the worst idea possible- we already tried that in both 2004 and 2009, with really dull results.

2004
really dull results

what? spring 2004 is still one of the best contests ever. which I assume you're talking about cause that was the only contest in 2004 that fit that criteria.

maybe you got it confused with summer 2004

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