From: pyresword | #297 I dont understand the whole theory that Squall gets votes from Kingdom Hearts.
Squall isn't even called Squall, its "Leon," unless there is like one scene or something. Unless people knew who Squall was before playing Kingdom Hearts, there would be no way to associate the KH "Leon" character with the Squall in the pole.
Depends on the picture. With casuals it's the difference between "hey i know that guy!" and "who the hell is this?". They vote for a character they recognize.
Well, the fact that Squall and Seifer don't even know each other in the KH universe would keep KH fans from voting for a rivalry they know nothing about.
pyresword posted... I dont understand the whole theory that Squall gets votes from Kingdom Hearts.
Squall isn't even called Squall, its "Leon," unless there is like one scene or something. Unless people knew who Squall was before playing Kingdom Hearts, there would be no way to associate the KH "Leon" character with the Squall in the pole.
They look the same. People have eyes. Also, knowing who Squall is because of FF8 does not necessarily equate to liking him because of FF8. The only reason I'd ever vote for Squall is KH, but I still know he's from FF8
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LeonhartFour posted... Well, the fact that Squall and Seifer don't even know each other in the KH universe would keep KH fans from voting for a rivalry they know nothing about.
I wasn't considering the games either. FF7 can stomp multiple games here but I wouldn't take FF8 over the KH series. Squall's still got this with individual strength but I should have bumped down the arbitrary Oracle safety.
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I think I like Squall's odds right now, but this is the first really interesting match of the contest. Who would have expected that when we entered our brackets.
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Well, I guess why I dont get it is because I cant picture anyone voting for a character based on a non-canonical appearance of that character.
I guess if its a matter of voting "that guy from Kingdom Hearts" or "this other guy I've never heard of" I could see it, I guess I just underestimated hhow much that played a role in Squall's vote
From: pyresword | #312 Well, I guess why I dont get it is because I cant picture anyone voting for a character based on a non-canonical appearance of that character.
Yeah, it's not like we had three people right after you made your original post say that they do.
Sora has already started to lose percentage in the US. This happened last round when he lost percentage overnight against Dante before the morning vote kicked in.
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Pretty hard to not call this for Squall at this point. Sora only beat Dante by 700 votes total and Dante was behind 300-400 votes at this point. Unless you think Squall's day vote is going to be significantly weaker than Dante's.
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pyresword posted... Well, I guess why I dont get it is because I cant picture anyone voting for a character based on a non-canonical appearance of that character.
If Frog and/or Magus appeared as secret playable characters in FFX, their last match goes a completely different way, canon be damned. It's all about name/face recognition. Hell, I'd be surprised if Alucard/Dracula haven't been getting a fair amount of votes based off Dracula's sheer name recognition.
No matter who wins this, it'll be close, which tells us that Squall/Seifer is roughly equal to Sora/Riku, which is roughly equal to Dante/Vergil. That's obviously not perfectly transitive (I'd take Squall's team to have a slightly easier time with Dante's than whatever the stats end up saying), but the three teams should still be in that same general strength area.
And that's kinda bad for Squall, and hell, Sora too (despite this potentially bracket-crushing result for him). I bet Squall would have been a B8 favorite over a team like the MK ninjas, and he would have gotten smashed.
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Squall's obviously the one stuffing right now. They cut back on the flow a bit once Squall caught up-- no need to rush, then Sora dropped off and they interpreted it as a voting shift and cut the power to their stuffing turbines-- then it was variance and Squall got clobbered as a result.
True story
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Lopen posted... Pretty hard to not call this for Squall at this point. Sora only beat Dante by 700 votes total and Dante was behind 300-400 votes at this point. Unless you think Squall's day vote is going to be significantly weaker than Dante's.
Well, both of the matches in 2008 had Sora ending up at a higher % then he was at 2 AM. So history supports Sora here, but I dunno if the ASV will be as strong as it was back then.
It's Kingdom Hearts fanboys we're talking about here.
Right, and in a 50/50 poll, every fanboy counts.
I'm saying it's plausible KH fanboys would vote Squall over Sora, but not Squall vs. Unknown vs. Sora v. Riku. The idea of Sora v. Riku is more appealing than the idea of just Sora.
It doesn't really take many KH to feel that way to close the gap Charmander posted about on page 1.
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Bosses could have done some real work in this division. Hell, call me crazy, but Chris/Wesker might have made things interesting as well, especially if they had drawn Sora in a R1 night match. At least their rivalry spans 15 years and is more relevant today with RE5 and MvC3 than anything else the division has to offer.
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Hey it had more lead changes thus far than the rest of the contest :P. Just waiting to see how far a lead Squall builds, and to see if sora can turn it come asv time. Squall sure is taking his slow time to build a lead btw.
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I don't think Samus wins this division. personally, so I don't think Bosses would do much here. (Which is what I meant by Samus was misused-- her division was too weak)
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1. Stuffing/rallying on one or both sides because it's a high stakes match for people who pay too much attention to contests 2. Our votes don't actually count and someone just designed a contest trend simulator to simulate matches and gave it to Bacon to use 3. Legit updates
Those are my theories in order. I rather like the second theory.
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