Board 8 > Which series has been better over it's entire lifespan: Mario or Zelda?

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OmarsComin
12/08/11 2:52:00 AM
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For this discussion we'll keep it to the major console and handheld releases, and ignore stuff like Mario Party and the Zelda CD-i games.
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crazyisgood
12/08/11 2:58:00 AM
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Zelda

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DrMario2k
12/08/11 2:59:00 AM
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Zelda imo, just because it's always quality and I'm not a platformer fan.

Mario Bros 3, Super Mario World, Yoshi's Island (does that count?) and Mario Galaxy were classics to me, but comparing it to Majora's Mask, Ocarina of Time, Link to the Past and Wind Waker there is a gulf in quality to me.

Mario is fantastic and always good fun but I don't find it offers an experience on the level of Zelda. None of either series are close to my favourite games but Majora's Mask would have to be damn close and I could give it for that alone.

Mario Sunshine was a bigger misstep than Skyward Sword imo (although both are good games). Same with Mario 2 vs Adventure of Link.
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SuorGenoveffa
12/08/11 3:38:00 AM
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Zelda.

Mario had a lot of greatness, but when I compare the games to a Zelda game in the same period, Zelda slightly wins. Zelda can also count on excellent portable titles in Link's Awakening and the Oracles, Mario's portable side has always been much weaker IMO.

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pjbasis
12/08/11 3:47:00 AM
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Mario

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pjbasis
12/08/11 3:53:00 AM
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To elaborate, Zelda takes the N64, GCN, and GB.
Mario takes NES, SNES, Wii.

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Hitagi
12/08/11 3:56:00 AM
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Zelda

Mario had a weak showing in the N64 and GCN eras. It's only recently that the series has bounced back.
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kurtfisto
12/08/11 3:56:00 AM
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Zelda.

Only Mario game I really find amazing is Super Mario Galaxy 2. The rest range from boring to great.

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paulg235
12/08/11 6:14:00 AM
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Mario

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KCF0107
12/08/11 6:16:00 AM
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Whether we are talking about the Super Mario series or being unfair and doing the entire Mario universe, Mario takes this in a landslide

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Theon_Greyjoy
12/08/11 7:18:00 AM
#11:


Zelda

Mario was better on NES and SNES but Zelda has been better since.

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The Mana Sword
12/08/11 7:19:00 AM
#12:


Mario is more consistently good.

Zelda has higher highs and lower lows.

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badboy
12/08/11 7:29:00 AM
#13:


Zelda for sure.
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JaKyL25
12/08/11 7:30:00 AM
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Let's break down exactly what we're comparing here.

Mario Series
Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. Lost Levels
Super Mario Bros. 2
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario World
Super Mario Land
Super Mario Land 2
Yoshi's Island (arguably doesn't count)
Super Mario 64
Super Mario Sunshine
New Super Mario Bros.
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Super Mario 3D Land

Zelda Series
The Legend of Zelda
Zelda II: Adventure of Link
A Link to the Past
Link's Awakening
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Oracle of Ages
Oracle of Seasons
Four Swords
The Wind Waker
Four Swords Adventures
The Minish Cap
Twilight Princess
Phantom Hourglass
Spirit Tracks
Skyward Sword

IMO it's damn close. My gut leans Mario but I haven't played Skyward Sword or 3D Land yet.

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expaniol
12/08/11 7:30:00 AM
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Zelda 2D is superior to Mario 2D. But I can't really get into 3D Zelda at all and 3D Mario while it isn't as good as his best 2D outings is pretty fun. I havn't played any of the wii games though.

So I would rank them:

Zelda 2D > Mario 2D > Mario 3D >> Zelda 3D

Overall Mario > Zelda because they don't really make any new 2D zelda. :(

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JaKyL25
12/08/11 7:30:00 AM
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Also interesting that if you count Yoshi's Island, both series have exactly 16 entries.

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EmDubyaSee
12/08/11 7:37:00 AM
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It's Zelda, and it is nOt remotely close.

It is significantly better in the NES
Better on the SNES
ABSOLUTE OBLITERATION on both the N64 and Gamecube.
Till about a week ago, it was Mario by a nice margin on the Wii, but after SS it is at worst a tie,'and more than likely a Zelda win.
LA is better than the Mario La d games, so there is the GB
GBC is easily Zelda.
GBA is definitely Mario
DS is a toss up (all 4 games are ok, but disappointing)
3DS is Zelda just because of OoT, but if you don't count that, then so far Mario by default.
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JaKyL25
12/08/11 7:40:00 AM
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From: EmDubyaSee | #017
GBA is definitely Mario


Are you counting the Mario remakes? There were no new Mario games on the GBA outside of M&L:SS.

I've always found that incredibly weird that it's the only platform in Nintendo history without its own Mario platformer.

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__Smurf__
12/08/11 7:44:00 AM
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The Zelda series had a purple patch between 1991 and 2001 encompassing Lttp, LA, OOT, MM and Oracles where it just absolutely obliterated every other series bar arguably Final Fantasy in that timeframe with quality and consistency. Mario wins the early years by a landslide and I would certainly favour Galaxy 1&2 over recent Zeldas. If we're speaking purely lifetime then it has to be Mario, its had a more consistent distribution of strong titles whereas the Zelda series brand is carried purely on the back of a 10 year period of excellence when the other 10 years of its existence have been good but hardly top tier.

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Kamekguy
12/08/11 7:45:00 AM
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Zelda

NSMB drags down the whole Mario series. Zelda's worst game is... Oracle of Ages? I actually rather liked that one. Mario surely has higher highs for me, but as a whole, Mario's had greater missteps.
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SHINE GET 64
12/08/11 7:47:00 AM
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Super Mario > Zelda > Mario as a whole

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Theon_Greyjoy
12/08/11 7:47:00 AM
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Zelda's worst game is... Oracle of Ages?

Wtf is this. That's the best 2D Zelda

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JaKyL25
12/08/11 7:48:00 AM
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Man, counting remakes and ports turns the GBA into a weird battle.

SMB2, SMB3, SMW, and Yoshi's Island
vs.
LoZ, AoL, ALttP, Four Swords, and The Minish Cap

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Theon_Greyjoy
12/08/11 7:53:00 AM
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JaKyL25 posted...
Man, counting remakes and ports turns the GBA into a weird battle.

SMB2, SMB3, SMW, and Yoshi's Island
vs.
LoZ, AoL, ALttP, Four Swords, and The Minish Cap


I'd say Mario wins that battle pretty easily

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EmDubyaSee
12/08/11 7:53:00 AM
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JaKyL25 posted...
From: EmDubyaSee | #017
GBA is definitely Mario
Are you counting the Mario remakes? There were no new Mario games on the GBA outside of M&L:SS.

I've always found that incredibly weird that it's the only platform in Nintendo history without its own Mario platformer.


Yep, it is pretty much the NES/SNES remakes vs Minish Cap. I'm taking the remakes.
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spooky96
12/08/11 7:56:00 AM
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Mario

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JaKyL25
12/08/11 7:59:00 AM
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From: EmDubyaSee | #025
Yep, it is pretty much the NES/SNES remakes vs Minish Cap. I'm taking the remakes.


So you're not counting the NES/SNES Zelda remakes/ports on the GBA though? Odd.

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EmDubyaSee
12/08/11 8:03:00 AM
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From: JaKyL25 | #027
So you're not counting the NES/SNES Zelda remakes/ports on the GBA though? Odd.


I'm not counting the Ports. I forgot about ALttP. At which time Zelda massacres on the GBA


ALttP>>>>>SMW>SMB3>MC>YI>SMB2

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Minipoooot
12/08/11 8:05:00 AM
#29:


Mario, easily.

While many Zelda games are fantastic, I honestly never have as much fun playing them as I do Mario games. The only exception is the GC era, where Windwaker was obviously better than Sunshine.

I've just never felt the same way about Zelda as a lot of others do.

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muddersmilk
12/08/11 8:06:00 AM
#30:


Mario

But I'm not a Zelda fan...

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Superluigi98
12/08/11 8:17:00 AM
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It would definitely be Mario for me but I can't get into Zelda games at all.

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WazzupGenius00
12/08/11 8:25:00 AM
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WazzupGenius00
12/08/11 8:26:00 AM
#33:


From: Kamekguy | #020
Zelda's worst game is... Oracle of Ages?


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metroid composite
12/08/11 8:29:00 AM
#34:


The Mana Sword posted...
Mario is more consistently good.

Zelda has higher highs and lower lows.


I feel the exact opposite, honestly. (Assuming we're looking at main-line series). Mario has some incredible standouts. Zelda has a bunch of solid games that are worth playing through once.

I care more about standouts, though, so...

Mario

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WazzupGenius00
12/08/11 8:33:00 AM
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I don't know how you could think any Mario game is worse than Phantom Hourglass or Spirit Tracks

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Ayuyu
12/08/11 8:34:00 AM
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I like all Mario games, there are Zelda games I don't like so much.

So Mario for me.

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Liquid Wind
12/08/11 8:34:00 AM
#37:


mario has been much more consistent, zelda is better when it's at the top of it's game though
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metroid composite
12/08/11 8:36:00 AM
#38:


EmDubyaSee posted...
It is significantly better in the NES

NES is Zelda's strongest era, but also one of Mario's stronger eras; feels kind-of close.

EmDubyaSee posted...
ABSOLUTE OBLITERATION on both the N64

I'd call N64 an obliteration...for Mario. Mario 64 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> N64 Zeldas. (Granted, Majora's Mask is pretty solid, but...yeah, Mario 64 is fantastic).

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metroid composite
12/08/11 8:37:00 AM
#39:


WazzupGenius00 posted...
I don't know how you could think any Mario game is worse than Phantom Hourglass or Spirit Tracks

To be fair, I haven't played those two (and don't know if they count as "main-line" anyway).

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spooky96
12/08/11 8:37:00 AM
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NES is Zelda's strongest era, but also one of Mario's stronger eras; feels kind-of close.

No. SNES was the strongest era for Zelda games.

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Theon_Greyjoy
12/08/11 8:39:00 AM
#41:


WazzupGenius00 posted...
I don't know how you could think any Mario game is worse than Phantom Hourglass or Spirit Tracks

I think these are still good games, they just seem weak in comparison to how great the rest of the series is (same with TP). The DS games probably have the best boss fights in the series. I'd take them over the two NSMBs and SMB 1 and 2.

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Theon_Greyjoy
12/08/11 8:40:00 AM
#42:


spooky96 posted...
NES is Zelda's strongest era, but also one of Mario's stronger eras; feels kind-of close.

No. SNES was the strongest era for Zelda games.


These are both bad opinions on the strongest Zelda era. N64/GBC was the best era.

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JaKyL25
12/08/11 8:41:00 AM
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From: metroid composite | #039
To be fair, I haven't played those two (and don't know if they count as "main-line" anyway).


They're most certainly main-line. They're direct sequels to The Wind Waker.

OP says "consoles and handheld releases" anyway. You would count Link's Awakening, wouldn't you?

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StifledSilence
12/08/11 8:43:00 AM
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Mario by a mile.

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Kamekguy
12/08/11 8:44:00 AM
#45:


Oh right Phantom Hourglass exists, my apologies, I did what I could to block that out of my mind.

Mario, then.
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MZero11
12/08/11 8:45:00 AM
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From: metroid composite | #038
EmDubyaSee posted...
It is significantly better in the NES

NES is Zelda's strongest era, but also one of Mario's stronger eras; feels kind-of close.

EmDubyaSee posted...
ABSOLUTE OBLITERATION on both the N64

I'd call N64 an obliteration...for Mario. Mario 64 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> N64 Zeldas. (Granted, Majora's Mask is pretty solid, but...yeah, Mario 64 is fantastic).


..............what is this I don't even
NES Zelda's are the worst ones....
MM and OoT own Super Mario 64...
wat just happened

Anyway, Zelda. Mario has consistently good games, but Zelda has mostly great games, and the bad ones aren't much worse than a Mario game. In fact, none of them are bad games, just bad by Zelda standards.

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PartOfYourWorld
12/08/11 8:48:00 AM
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Zelda for me

I'm actually not that big a fan of the NES Marios. Plumber killed it on the SNES, N64, and Wii, but there was that 11-year stretch between SM64 and Galaxy where he had nothing good on consoles. I consider LttP (and, in turn, Zelda's SNES era) a disappointment, but it was competitive during the NES and a clear step above since the N64. And once again, I'm completely unqualified to speak on their handheld offerings.

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Liquid Wind
12/08/11 8:50:00 AM
#48:


sunshine is no SM64 but I certainly would call it good, at least as good as wind waker and twilight princess.
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Liquid Wind
12/08/11 8:50:00 AM
#49:


and phantom hourglass is a bad game by any standards.
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GloriousSweater
12/08/11 8:54:00 AM
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From: Liquid Wind | #048
sunshine is no SM64 but I certainly would call it good, at least as good as wind waker and twilight princess.


I wouldn't. Sunshine is probably my least favorite mainline console game from either series. I do consider TP a disappointment relative to other Zeldas, but at least I enjoy playing and will beat the damn thing. I've never gone above the required minimum # of Shines to beat Sunshine (think it was 70?), only did that once, and quit the game after one Shine Get the last time I tried it.

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