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TheOceIot
12/08/11 12:13:00 AM
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Seriously, how the heck are the Wild in 1st place? Has anyone in this topic even been watching them this year?

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voltch
12/08/11 12:17:00 AM
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Phil Kessel's reign is over!

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RPGLord95
12/08/11 12:21:00 AM
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HEATLEY!!!!!!

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Not Dave
12/08/11 2:51:00 AM
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i still find it hard to believe that brian elliott is leading in a couple statistical categories...

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RappinHobo9292
12/08/11 4:22:00 PM
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We have a new leader for goals.

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neonreap
12/08/11 5:05:00 PM
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Kennedy with the dive of the year

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SmartMuffin
12/08/11 5:10:00 PM
#7:


Trading for Heatley best ever

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neonreap
12/08/11 5:14:00 PM
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As for realignment, one thing they wanted to do was to keep teams playing each other every year in the playoffs. Cam Neely was talking about something like Canes/Bruins from a few years ago, nice 7-game series, some bad blood develops... and then they won't see each other in the postseason until whenever it falls into place. The new layout helps some short term rivalries develop. I guess another important thing for the league was to have teams playing their road games close to their own time zone. For a team like the Blue Jackets or the Preds, you want to develop younger fans and keep them, so the bigger % of road games that people can actually watch, the better.

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SmartMuffin
12/08/11 5:16:00 PM
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From: neonreap | #008
As for realignment, one thing they wanted to do was to keep teams playing each other every year in the playoffs. Cam Neely was talking about something like Canes/Bruins from a few years ago, nice 7-game series, some bad blood develops... and then they won't see each other in the postseason until whenever it falls into place. The new layout helps some short term rivalries develop. I guess another important thing for the league was to have teams playing their road games close to their own time zone. For a team like the Blue Jackets or the Preds, you want to develop younger fans and keep them, so the bigger % of road games that people can actually watch, the better.


I've always felt that this type of "artificial" generation of rivalries completely misses the point.

You can't "make" rivalries happen. It just doesn't work. They happen organically. Look at Pens/Caps, that pretty much happened at the draft. Then there's stuff like Canucks/Hawks that was able to happen "whenever it falls into place" what, three years in a row?

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sonten1
12/08/11 5:37:00 PM
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Patrick Kane elbows the air, gets a penalty.

REFS

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neonreap
12/08/11 5:38:00 PM
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I think the league would rather have Detroit/Chicago every year instead of Vancouver/Chicago popping up. It's better for the league to grow if they can get people rooted into constant regional matchups. I see your point (don't honestly care either way, just reporting what Cam said) outside of that.

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SmartMuffin
12/08/11 5:46:00 PM
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Right, and I see the point of doing it this way, too.

I just think that people sell short how sometimes rivalries will just create themselves where you least expect them to. Remember post-lockout when teams played eight games within their division to "create rivalries" and how much that sucked? And yet, Caps/Pens became a great rivalry despite not being in division. Same thing with Canucks/Blackhawks. Even Red Wings/Penguins was pretty good for awhile there and they were in different conferences.

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SmartMuffin
12/08/11 5:46:00 PM
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Oh, and I've watched two Wild games so far and will be watching Wild/Kings tonight! I keep waiting for them to fall back to Earth, I'm still absolutely certain they will, but man, this is p awesome so far!

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RappinHobo9292
12/08/11 6:01:00 PM
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Spezza has been ****ing terrible lately.

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TheOceIot
12/08/11 6:06:00 PM
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From: RappinHobo9292 | #005
We have a new leader for goals.


Looks like everybody wins in trades that involve Dany Heatley!

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RappinHobo9292
12/08/11 6:12:00 PM
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Sens are such a terrible team

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RappinHobo9292
12/08/11 6:41:00 PM
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Senatrolls at their finest

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Meow1000
12/08/11 6:51:00 PM
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Another NY shootout, another 0 goals.

Come on guys

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SmartMuffin
12/08/11 7:36:00 PM
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Hey cool, Kings are actually wearing their old (as in non-sucky) jerseys tonight!

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TheOceIot
12/08/11 7:42:00 PM
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Damn, another tough loss for the Ducks. We've played much better under Boudreau but just can't win the close games or get any bounces.

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thundersheep
12/08/11 7:46:00 PM
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Even though we've never been anything close to rivals and I don't hate anyone on the team... I love seeing the Sens lose. I don't know why, but it makes me so happy.

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voltch
12/08/11 7:48:00 PM
#22:


Hopefully this St Louis injury's not too bad.

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SmartMuffin
12/08/11 8:37:00 PM
#23:


Kopitar just went into the boards pretty hard and isn't getting up. Does NOT look good...

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SmartMuffin
12/08/11 8:37:00 PM
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Well, he's up and skating off now, but man, gotta hope it's not too serious... replay looks like it was his shoulder that took most of the damage rather than his head.

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SmartMuffin
12/08/11 8:46:00 PM
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Already back on the ice lol. Must have just been a really bad stinger or something. Maybe the ref now regrets the five minute major + game misconduct!

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Suprak the Stud
12/08/11 8:49:00 PM
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As a Hawks fan, I will miss the Canucks/Hawks rivalry that will most likely be diminished due to the restructuring.

However, in all honesty, the big rivalry here is and has always been Hawks/Wings. Most people in the area view the Canucks as sort of a joke, a team that is always one bad turn from completely losing their minds. Bobby Lu seems to be one of the most mocked figures on sports talk radio around here. The new system should actually allow for a lot more Wings/Hawks matchups in the playoffs, which should be great.

So...I guess I'm okay with it?

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TheOceIot
12/08/11 9:18:00 PM
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Oh boy...look out every non-Canadian playing in the World Juniors this year - the Ducks have decided to loan Smith-Pelly to Canada. DSP is going to run wild, mark my mords. He's been very impressive so far for Anaheim. Love that kid.

The Lightning are loaning Brett Connolly too so we should have a great team as per usual. Maybe we won't choke this year?

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TimJab
12/08/11 9:21:00 PM
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did the rangers seriously give up a game tying shorthanded goal with less than 2 minutes left and then lose a shootout

did that actually happen

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SmartMuffin
12/08/11 9:39:00 PM
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I wonder what the record is for shutout streak to start an NHL career. Because Hackett for Minnesota just went like 102 minutes.

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TheOceIot
12/08/11 9:57:00 PM
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Tweet from Bob McKenzie, "Shocking, I know, but Seguin, Skinner, Nugent-Hopkins, Johansen, Couturier, not being released to Canada's nat'l junior" . It doesn't look like Gudbranson will be released either.

Good lord at that list of players...whenever Canada loses at the WJC I am reminded of how badly we would obliterate every team if our best players weren't in the NHL. The fact that we can't field our best team makes the tournament exciting and interesting because there is actually a chance we'll lose.

Looove the WJCs, they are probably my favourite thing about the holidays.

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SmartMuffin
12/09/11 6:57:00 AM
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SuarezYNWA
12/09/11 9:19:00 AM
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RappinHobo9292 posted...
Sens are such a terrible team

Hence why they're in a playoff spot despite being predicted, unanimously, to be the worst team in the league.

Also people don't give Spezza nearly enough credit. They don't focus on all the good he does for the team and only the bad. Hell, he gets flak for stuff that isn't even his fault (such as the 2nd shorthanded goal last night...watch the play it's on Karlsson and Alfredsson for that one.) It's sad because we're so lucky to have such a great player and every team except for maybe Pittsburgh would be so happy to have him.

Spezza is a risky player, but he's clutch, and unlike a lot of "soft" playmakers he doesn't drop his performance in the playoffs. A vast majority of our game tying, or game winning goals are assisted by or put in by Spezza. He's the best player on our team and doesn't get nearly enough credit for being one of the elite centres in the league.

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ExThaNemesis
12/09/11 9:23:00 AM
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From: SmartMuffin | #009
I've always felt that this type of "artificial" generation of rivalries completely misses the point.

You can't "make" rivalries happen. It just doesn't work. They happen organically. Look at Pens/Caps, that pretty much happened at the draft. Then there's stuff like Canucks/Hawks that was able to happen "whenever it falls into place" what, three years in a row?


SmartMuffin's right, honestly. Rivalries develop organically, it's really hard to force them.

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charmander6000
12/09/11 9:33:00 AM
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I love the world juniors too. We may not have our best team, but it isn't like the guys picked are terrible. In terms of depth Canada is one of the deepest.

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NeoElfboy
12/09/11 9:34:00 AM
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SmartMuffin's right, honestly. Rivalries develop organically, it's really hard to force them.

I'd agree with this, but consider that rivalries develop organically through the playoffs. If you put everyone into a divisional playoff format (I really hope they end up being called divisions, incidentally... 4 "conferences" is deliberately confusing compared to the status quo of the NHL/NBA/NFL), then teams will face each other in the playoffs more often, which will create more of these rivalries. I mean, Canucks/Hawks had a rivalry just because they played each other 3 times in a row, and any other pair of teams in that situation would be the same. All the NHL is doing is trying to create more of those situations.

The reason the "8 divisional games a year" thing failed to create rivalries is because the regular season sucks at making rivalries.

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SmartMuffin
12/09/11 4:32:00 PM
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The reason the "8 divisional games a year" thing failed to create rivalries is because the regular season sucks at making rivalries.

Well, I think there's something to be said for the fact that sometimes you just get bored playing the same teams all the time. Even in the playoffs. Canucks/Blackhawks isn't a great rivalry just because they played a lot, it's because of how the games went and how the series were dramatic and how there was a compelling storyline and such. I mean, I dunno, I think one of the positives of the playoffs the way they are now is that you can create rivalries with teams you otherwise would not be able to.

Like, under this new system, it'll be a lot easier to create a rivalry between say, the Senators and the Canadiens, but it will be that much more difficult to create a rivalry between, say, the Sabres and the Capitals.

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NeoElfboy
12/09/11 5:56:00 PM
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Hm, that's a fair point.

I was thinking that back when we last had divisional playoffs there were more and stronger rivalries, but that's possibly just because I was young at the time and more easily impressed by such things.

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SmartMuffin
12/09/11 6:52:00 PM
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I think that may be true, but keep in mind there's a tradeoff.

Traditional rivalries (Hawks/Wings, Bruins/Habs, etc.) will almost surely be strengthened even more, as will new rivalries that are within the confines of the new divisions (Caps/Pens comes to mind).

The tradeoff; however, is that the creation of truly new rivalries outside of your current division will be almost impossible aside from the relatively unlikely occasion of teams meeting against each other in the cup finals several times in a row or some such thing. In other words, your current rivalries get better, but your available pool of potential rivalries decreases.

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RappinHobo9292
12/10/11 4:34:00 PM
#39:


Really Rundblad?

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thundersheep
12/10/11 5:04:00 PM
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Loving the chippyness of the Nucks/Sens game. I guess they despise Ottawa as much as I do.

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TheOceIot
12/10/11 7:06:00 PM
#41:


So how good is this Yakupov guy supposed to be?

>_>

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Not Dave
12/10/11 7:32:00 PM
#42:


kings wearing purple, hell yeah

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ShadowHalo17
12/10/11 8:05:00 PM
#43:


Taggin' this topic.

I'm a huge Blues fan. Sadly I don't get to watch their games ever. Any of you know a place online where I could maybe watch live games? I doubt it, or if there is I'd probably have to subscribe I'm sure. I'd also like to follow other teams. I was at my mom's house tonight and we watched Lightning vs Fliers. That was awesome. I like Philadelphia, mainly because Chris Pronger is there, and he was my favorite Blues player as a kid.

But yeah, I'm trying to get even more into hockey. Like I've always loved the sport and the Blues, but there's still a lot of stuff I don't understand or whatever.

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baron von toast
12/10/11 8:44:00 PM
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Went to the Wings game to see those newfangled Jets and I was not impressed.

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TimJab
12/10/11 8:55:00 PM
#45:


rangers beat down a 30+ point team

WHAT NOW COKES

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TimJab
12/10/11 8:56:00 PM
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and yes i realize that 95% of the league has 30 points now

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ShadowHalo17
12/10/11 10:56:00 PM
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Oh hey, Jagr's goal tonight was a highlight because his total goals over his career is now 656. Tied with Brendan Shanahan.

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Not Dave
12/11/11 6:04:00 PM
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panthers getting ****-kicked

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voltch
12/11/11 6:06:00 PM
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Theodore sucks.

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Not Dave
12/11/11 6:16:00 PM
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jose "former mvp" threeormore

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