Board 8 > Han wants to organize and DM for a B8 D&D Group: Electric Boogaloo.

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MajinZidane 11/30/11 6:01:00 PM #1:	tag -- Virtue - "You don't need a reason to help people." <cite>MajinZidane posted [p:515747] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> tag -- Virtue - "You don't need a reason to help people." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/30/11 6:02:00 PM #2:	From last topic. From: Anagram \| #492 *KanzarisKelshen posted...* Abjurant Champion. Pretty much THE bread and butter Gish class: Shield and Mage Armor have a doubled effect, full BAB, full casting, autoquicken Abjurations up to third level, five levels long, and best of all, STILL balanced in spite of all those goodies. As for that class, weak capstone and one of the abilities is nonfunctional. Not really very good IMO. Okay, then I'm looking at this. Wizard 4/Fighter 1/Spellblade 3/Abjurant Champion 5/Spellblade 7. I'm a little confused, though. Spellblades can cast touch attacks through their weapon, how does this work, exactly? Do I cast the spell and in the same round make one attack using my sword, so I get the regular sword damage as well as the touch attack all in one hit? Also, someone should make a new topic and post a link in this topic. I meant Spellsword and Spellguard of Silverymoon, but yeah. Though you want only one level of Spellsword. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:515748] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> From last topic.From: Anagram \| #492KanzarisKelshen posted...Abjurant Champion. Pretty much THE bread and butter Gish class: Shield and Mage Armor have a doubled effect, full BAB, full casting, autoquicken Abjurations up to third level, five levels long, and best of all, STILL balanced in spite of all those goodies.As for that class, weak capstone and one of the abilities is nonfunctional. Not really very good IMO.Okay, then I'm looking at this. Wizard 4/Fighter 1/Spellblade 3/Abjurant Champion 5/Spellblade 7.I'm a little confused, though. Spellblades can cast touch attacks through their weapon, how does this work, exactly? Do I cast the spell and in the same round make one attack using my sword, so I get the regular sword damage as well as the touch attack all in one hit?Also, someone should make a new topic and post a link in this topic.I meant Spellsword and Spellguard of Silverymoon, but yeah. Though you want only one level of Spellsword. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sceptilesolarbeam 11/30/11 6:04:00 PM #3:	The teams. Group A - Tuesday Night: 1. FD - ? 2. Sytha - ? 3. Edwards - Duskling Totemist 4. Wedge - Paladin/Ranger 5. Highwind - Factotum Group B - Friday Night: 1. Sceptile - Artificer 2. Chrono - Cleric 3. Anagram - ? 4. Kanz - Warblade 5. Omega - Runesmith 6. Cobain - Rogue 7. Baku - ? -- "As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick <cite>Sceptilesolarbeam posted [p:515749] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> The teams.Group A - Tuesday Night:1. FD - ?2. Sytha - ?3. Edwards - Duskling Totemist4. Wedge - Paladin/Ranger5. Highwind - FactotumGroup B - Friday Night:1. Sceptile - Artificer2. Chrono - Cleric3. Anagram - ?4. Kanz - Warblade5. Omega - Runesmith6. Cobain - Rogue7. Baku - ? -- "As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LavaLord 11/30/11 6:12:00 PM #4:	Just a nitpick, but Mage Armor is worth jack-all on an Abjurant Champion without it being houseruled, because it is not an abjuration spell regardless of what the pre-errata fluff text for the class believes. -- Currently playing: Chrono Trigger DS, Pokemon Platinum, and Super Mario Bros. 3 <cite>LavaLord posted [p:515750] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> Just a nitpick, but Mage Armor is worth jack-all on an Abjurant Champion without it being houseruled, because it is not an abjuration spell regardless of what the pre-errata fluff text for the class believes. -- Currently playing: Chrono Trigger DS, Pokemon Platinum, and Super Mario Bros. 3 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/30/11 6:14:00 PM #5:	From: LavaLord \| #004 Just a nitpick, but Mage Armor is worth jack-all on an Abjurant Champion without it being houseruled, because it is not an abjuration spell regardless of what the pre-errata fluff text for the class believes. True that. I forgot the rules required Fix'd on that. >_< -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:515751] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> From: LavaLord \| #004Just a nitpick, but Mage Armor is worth jack-all on an Abjurant Champion without it being houseruled, because it is not an abjuration spell regardless of what the pre-errata fluff text for the class believes.True that. I forgot the rules required Fix'd on that. >_< -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 11/30/11 6:15:00 PM #6:	Alright, thanks, Kanz. I'll look into this. Does Spellsword mean I have to use a one-handed weapon, by the way? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:515752] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> Alright, thanks, Kanz. I'll look into this. Does Spellsword mean I have to use a one-handed weapon, by the way? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig.Started: July 6, 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/30/11 6:18:00 PM #7:	No because you don't care about spellsword. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:515753] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> No because you don't care about spellsword. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 11/30/11 6:23:00 PM #8:	*KanzarisKelshen posted...* No because you don't care about spellsword. Dammit I meant Spellblade. Does its abilities require a one-handed melee weapon or can you use a two-handed one? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:515754] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> KanzarisKelshen posted...No because you don't care about spellsword.Dammit I meant Spellblade.Does its abilities require a one-handed melee weapon or can you use a two-handed one? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig.Started: July 6, 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/30/11 6:43:00 PM #9:	I wouldn't know - I WAS talking about Spellsword there. Haven't seen a spellblade before. Where is it from? -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:515755] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> I wouldn't know - I WAS talking about Spellsword there. Haven't seen a spellblade before. Where is it from? -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 11/30/11 6:53:00 PM #10:	*KanzarisKelshen posted...* I wouldn't know - I WAS talking about Spellsword there. Haven't seen a spellblade before. Where is it from? Whoops, I found the wrong PrC while searching the internet. http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Spellblade_(3.5e_Prestige_Class) But uh one level of Spellsword just nets you +1 BAB and Ignore Light Armor. Aren't you going to want to get to 4 to get Channel Spell? Otherwise you're always just going to be choosing between casting and attacking when you could be doing both at once. -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:515756] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> KanzarisKelshen posted...I wouldn't know - I WAS talking about Spellsword there. Haven't seen a spellblade before. Where is it from?Whoops, I found the wrong PrC while searching the internet.http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Spellblade_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)But uh one level of Spellsword just nets you +1 BAB and Ignore Light Armor. Aren't you going to want to get to 4 to get Channel Spell? Otherwise you're always just going to be choosing between casting and attacking when you could be doing both at once. -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig.Started: July 6, 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/30/11 7:09:00 PM #11:	From: Anagram \| #010 *KanzarisKelshen posted...* I wouldn't know - I WAS talking about Spellsword there. Haven't seen a spellblade before. Where is it from? Whoops, I found the wrong PrC while searching the internet. http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Spellblade_(3.5e_Prestige_Class) But uh one level of Spellsword just nets you +1 BAB and Ignore Light Armor. Aren't you going to want to get to 4 to get Channel Spell? Otherwise you're always just going to be choosing between casting and attacking when you could be doing both at once. Rule #1 of castering: -Thou Shalt Not Give Up Caster Levels. Spellsword 1 = +1 BAB without giving up caster levels. Doesn't get much better than that. You have to remember, you're PrCing for the BAB and caster level. Everything else is accessory, unless you're doing Swiftblade. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:515757] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> From: Anagram \| #010KanzarisKelshen posted...I wouldn't know - I WAS talking about Spellsword there. Haven't seen a spellblade before. Where is it from?Whoops, I found the wrong PrC while searching the internet.http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Spellblade_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)But uh one level of Spellsword just nets you +1 BAB and Ignore Light Armor. Aren't you going to want to get to 4 to get Channel Spell? Otherwise you're always just going to be choosing between casting and attacking when you could be doing both at once.Rule #1 of castering:-Thou Shalt Not Give Up Caster Levels.Spellsword 1 = +1 BAB without giving up caster levels.Doesn't get much better than that. You have to remember, you're PrCing for the BAB and caster level. Everything else is accessory, unless you're doing Swiftblade. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 11/30/11 7:18:00 PM #12:	*KanzarisKelshen posted...* Rule #1 of castering: -Thou Shalt Not Give Up Caster Levels. Spellsword 1 = +1 BAB without giving up caster levels. Doesn't get much better than that. You have to remember, you're PrCing for the BAB and caster level. Everything else is accessory, unless you're doing Swiftblade. Well how is that Spellblade PrC I linked? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:515758] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> KanzarisKelshen posted...Rule #1 of castering:-Thou Shalt Not Give Up Caster Levels.Spellsword 1 = +1 BAB without giving up caster levels.Doesn't get much better than that. You have to remember, you're PrCing for the BAB and caster level. Everything else is accessory, unless you're doing Swiftblade.Well how is that Spellblade PrC I linked? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig.Started: July 6, 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/30/11 7:32:00 PM #13:	Straight up upgrade over straight Wizard (can literally enter it at 7 naturally) with features that are poorly worded and boring. Usable but I don't like it. No reason NOT to take it. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:515759] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> Straight up upgrade over straight Wizard (can literally enter it at 7 naturally) with features that are poorly worded and boring. Usable but I don't like it. No reason NOT to take it. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Highwind89 11/30/11 7:45:00 PM #14:	Just to let group A know, I can play a wizard or a sorcerer if no one else wants to do an arcane caster. Though factotum really interests me. <cite>Highwind89 posted [p:515760] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> Just to let group A know, I can play a wizard or a sorcerer if no one else wants to do an arcane caster. Though factotum really interests me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SovietOmega 11/30/11 7:53:00 PM #15:	dear han sorry about filling up your topic and making everything a mess to sort through. it will all be worth it when we show those goblins or dragons or tarrasque or evil gods who's boss! nothing can stand in our way and we are awesome forever. love, group b ps. group a r dum -- There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out <cite>SovietOmega posted [p:515761] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> dear hansorry about filling up your topic and making everything a mess to sort through. it will all be worth it when we show those goblins or dragons or tarrasque or evil gods who's boss! nothing can stand in our way and we are awesome forever.love, group bps. group a r dum -- There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/30/11 8:31:00 PM #16:	Speaking of homebrews, would you be OK with using the errata for ToB, Han? It would make my life much easier in spite of nerfing a couple things: http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=13292.0 If not that's OK, just mentioning it because I'm majorly racking my brains working out how to get around the Warblade's terrible stance progression. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:515762] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> Speaking of homebrews, would you be OK with using the errata for ToB, Han? It would make my life much easier in spite of nerfing a couple things:http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=13292.0If not that's OK, just mentioning it because I'm majorly racking my brains working out how to get around the Warblade's terrible stance progression. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 11/30/11 8:46:00 PM #17:	So uh How's the Spellthief? I know it's underpowered, but is it unplayably underpowered or merely not Tier 1 or 2? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:515763] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> So uhHow's the Spellthief? I know it's underpowered, but is it unplayably underpowered or merely not Tier 1 or 2? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig.Started: July 6, 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/30/11 8:46:00 PM #18:	And BTW, reposting my sheet for ease of access so Han doesn't have to resort to archiving topics: http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=349110 Rei is now an Azurin too. Went with it because it fit way too well not to do. So now the Lufeinnes' mutation is stat-reflected. Now I just need to find a good picture... -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:515764] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> And BTW, reposting my sheet for ease of access so Han doesn't have to resort to archiving topics:http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=349110Rei is now an Azurin too. Went with it because it fit way too well not to do. So now the Lufeinnes' mutation is stat-reflected. Now I just need to find a good picture... -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 11/30/11 8:50:00 PM #19:	*KanzarisKelshen posted...* And BTW, reposting my sheet for ease of access so Han doesn't have to resort to archiving topics: http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=349110 Rei is now an Azurin too. Went with it because it fit way too well not to do. So now the Lufeinnes' mutation is stat-reflected. Now I just need to find a good picture... What's an Azurin? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:515765] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> KanzarisKelshen posted...And BTW, reposting my sheet for ease of access so Han doesn't have to resort to archiving topics:http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=349110Rei is now an Azurin too. Went with it because it fit way too well not to do. So now the Lufeinnes' mutation is stat-reflected. Now I just need to find a good picture...What's an Azurin? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig.Started: July 6, 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Karma Hunter 11/30/11 9:04:00 PM #20:	Early entry tricks to get into Mystic Theurge are less 'tricks' and more 'ultra abuses stacked onto even bigger abuses'. It basically uses the feat Precocious Apprentice and a friendly cleric using Imbue with Spell Ability to meet the prereqs, and entering with something like Wizard 2/Cleric 1/Mystic Theurge 10. With Bamboo Spirit Folk as your race and some other tweaks, you can even round out the whole crazy shebang with a Wizard 2/Cleric 1/Mystic Theurge 7/Arcane Hierophant 10 that gives casting as a level 19 wizard, a level 18 cleric, and more goodies than you can shake a stick at. Oh, and you're a hop, skip, and a jump away from Pun-Pun as far as abusiveness goes. Spellthief is one of my favorite classes, I love playing it despite its underpowered nature. I do not even slightly recommend it in this situation. Beginning DMs tend to not go very caster heavy, which is what a spellthief wants to thrive. -- http://i48.tinypic.com/1ryijd.jpg http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg <cite>Karma Hunter posted [p:515766] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> Early entry tricks to get into Mystic Theurge are less 'tricks' and more 'ultra abuses stacked onto even bigger abuses'. It basically uses the feat Precocious Apprentice and a friendly cleric using Imbue with Spell Ability to meet the prereqs, and entering with something like Wizard 2/Cleric 1/Mystic Theurge 10. With Bamboo Spirit Folk as your race and some other tweaks, you can even round out the whole crazy shebang with a Wizard 2/Cleric 1/Mystic Theurge 7/Arcane Hierophant 10 that gives casting as a level 19 wizard, a level 18 cleric, and more goodies than you can shake a stick at. Oh, and you're a hop, skip, and a jump away from Pun-Pun as far as abusiveness goes.Spellthief is one of my favorite classes, I love playing it despite its underpowered nature. I do not even slightly recommend it in this situation. Beginning DMs tend to not go very caster heavy, which is what a spellthief wants to thrive. -- http://i48.tinypic.com/1ryijd.jpghttp://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LavaLord 11/30/11 9:19:00 PM #21:	More nits to pick ahoy! Bamboo spirit folk can only technically ever get you into Arcane Hierophant, it grants Trackless Step as a racial ability, the requirement on it is specifically Trackless Step Class Feature, so that requires a generous stretch. Precocious Apprentice I don't actually have a problem with, save you a level or two or three, but nothing too egregious personally, though the only rulings from wotc I can recall do state that you can't actually use it to get in early (though the community at large tends to actively ignore this, citing the general ease of manipulation that could have resulted in the exact opposite ruling). Imbue with Spell Ability is one that I don't see come up too often, and I can't poke a logical hole in it at this moment, as much as I dislike that level of cheese. As far as the power comparison to Pun-pun goes though, I do take exception with that and will happily point out that you are nowhere near it even with all the abuses required to get into this little set. Pun-pun is literally infinite power and ability, this is nothing close to that (He takes a whole other scale of blatant rule abuse to get rolling anyway). Besides, all those spells per day mean relatively little without something specifically abused to grant superior action economy, and you'll never run through them all in a day at that level anyway even with only one casting class, as well as specifically multiclassing in an inferior way with that design due to MAD. -- Currently playing: Chrono Trigger DS, Pokemon Platinum, and Super Mario Bros. 3 <cite>LavaLord posted [p:515767] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> More nits to pick ahoy! Bamboo spirit folk can only technically ever get you into Arcane Hierophant, it grants Trackless Step as a racial ability, the requirement on it is specifically Trackless Step Class Feature, so that requires a generous stretch. Precocious Apprentice I don't actually have a problem with, save you a level or two or three, but nothing too egregious personally, though the only rulings from wotc I can recall do state that you can't actually use it to get in early (though the community at large tends to actively ignore this, citing the general ease of manipulation that could have resulted in the exact opposite ruling). Imbue with Spell Ability is one that I don't see come up too often, and I can't poke a logical hole in it at this moment, as much as I dislike that level of cheese. As far as the power comparison to Pun-pun goes though, I do take exception with that and will happily point out that you are nowhere near it even with all the abuses required to get into this little set. Pun-pun is literally infinite power and ability, this is nothing close to that (He takes a whole other scale of blatant rule abuse to get rolling anyway). Besides, all those spells per day mean relatively little without something specifically abused to grant superior action economy, and you'll never run through them all in a day at that level anyway even with only one casting class, as well as specifically multiclassing in an inferior way with that design due to MAD. -- Currently playing: Chrono Trigger DS, Pokemon Platinum, and Super Mario Bros. 3 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/30/11 9:45:00 PM #22:	From: Anagram \| #019 *KanzarisKelshen posted...* And BTW, reposting my sheet for ease of access so Han doesn't have to resort to archiving topics: http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=349110 Rei is now an Azurin too. Went with it because it fit way too well not to do. So now the Lufeinnes' mutation is stat-reflected. Now I just need to find a good picture... What's an Azurin? Incarnum-infused human. One of the most obvious differences is...glowing eyes. Yeah, it fit way too well to NOT do. Also, while it is indeed super cheesy, it's worth pointing out that that Mystic Theurge has nothing on an Ur-Priest in spite of all the tricks used. It's surprisingly tame so long as the player doesn't act like a dick, relatively speaking. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:515768] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> From: Anagram \| #019KanzarisKelshen posted...And BTW, reposting my sheet for ease of access so Han doesn't have to resort to archiving topics:http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=349110Rei is now an Azurin too. Went with it because it fit way too well not to do. So now the Lufeinnes' mutation is stat-reflected. Now I just need to find a good picture...What's an Azurin?Incarnum-infused human. One of the most obvious differences is...glowing eyes. Yeah, it fit way too well to NOT do.Also, while it is indeed super cheesy, it's worth pointing out that that Mystic Theurge has nothing on an Ur-Priest in spite of all the tricks used. It's surprisingly tame so long as the player doesn't act like a dick, relatively speaking. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 11/30/11 9:51:00 PM #23:	*Karma Hunter posted...* Spellthief is one of my favorite classes, I love playing it despite its underpowered nature. I do not even slightly recommend it in this situation. Beginning DMs tend to not go very caster heavy, which is what a spellthief wants to thrive. Damn. Well, if that's the case, I may just go Wizard/Sorcerer/Ultimate Magus or Wizard/Master Specialist and just eat the difficult early levels. Or maybe try that Gun Mage thing. Or maybe go Ranger. I tried Scep's Random.com link, and it gave me the number I assigned to Ranger twice in a row. -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:515769] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> Karma Hunter posted...Spellthief is one of my favorite classes, I love playing it despite its underpowered nature. I do not even slightly recommend it in this situation. Beginning DMs tend to not go very caster heavy, which is what a spellthief wants to thrive.Damn.Well, if that's the case, I may just go Wizard/Sorcerer/Ultimate Magus or Wizard/Master Specialist and just eat the difficult early levels. Or maybe try that Gun Mage thing. Or maybe go Ranger.I tried Scep's Random.com link, and it gave me the number I assigned to Ranger twice in a row. -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig.Started: July 6, 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 11/30/11 9:58:00 PM #24:	Actually, are you completely certain about that? Because an archery Spellthief looks like it would fit in reasonably well with the group dynamic, and they are completely useless with no casters to fight, are they? So you basically just look human with glowing eyes, then, Kanz? Sounds cool -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:515770] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> Actually, are you completely certain about that? Because an archery Spellthief looks like it would fit in reasonably well with the group dynamic, and they are completely useless with no casters to fight, are they?So you basically just look human with glowing eyes, then, Kanz? Sounds cool -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig.Started: July 6, 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/30/11 10:00:00 PM #25:	Pretty much. I'm still working out my build path, but I'm slowly setting down on a concept. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:515771] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> Pretty much. I'm still working out my build path, but I'm slowly setting down on a concept. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Cobain 11/30/11 10:23:00 PM #26:	we're still rather tankless right now -- i consider myself a very positive influence on the youths of my community http://sonicgenerationart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/slider15.jpg <cite>Sir Cobain posted [p:515772] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> we're still rather tankless right now -- i consider myself a very positive influence on the youths of my communityhttp://sonicgenerationart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/slider15.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/30/11 10:25:00 PM #27:	From: Sir Cobain \| #026 we're still rather tankless right now Which is going to last until Level 3 pretty much. Once I'm at that level Wall of Blades means that Rei can not only take hits but also won't get hit in the first place. (And also, tanks don't exist in 3.5 except for Crusaders tbqh. Nobody needs one because it's a role you can't enforce. We have enough melee to work things out. :P) -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:515773] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> From: Sir Cobain \| #026we're still rather tankless right nowWhich is going to last until Level 3 pretty much. Once I'm at that level Wall of Blades means that Rei can not only take hits but also won't get hit in the first place.(And also, tanks don't exist in 3.5 except for Crusaders tbqh. Nobody needs one because it's a role you can't enforce. We have enough melee to work things out. :P) -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 11/30/11 10:26:00 PM #28:	That's a good point. What are good tanks besides Crusaders? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:515774] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> That's a good point.What are good tanks besides Crusaders? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig.Started: July 6, 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Karma Hunter 11/30/11 10:28:00 PM #29:	*LavaLord posted...* More nits to pick ahoy! Bamboo spirit folk can only technically ever get you into Arcane Hierophant, it grants Trackless Step as a racial ability, the requirement on it is specifically Trackless Step Class Feature, so that requires a generous stretch. Precocious Apprentice I don't actually have a problem with, save you a level or two or three, but nothing too egregious personally, though the only rulings from wotc I can recall do state that you can't actually use it to get in early (though the community at large tends to actively ignore this, citing the general ease of manipulation that could have resulted in the exact opposite ruling). Imbue with Spell Ability is one that I don't see come up too often, and I can't poke a logical hole in it at this moment, as much as I dislike that level of cheese. I'll only say that my eyebrow has been duly raised here. Only in the most ruleslawyeriest of rules whoring games even consider Precocious Apprentice or Imbue With Spell Ability as allowable ways to qualify for PrCs. Meanwhile, squelching someone because they happen to possess the proper prerequisite as a RACIAL ability instead of a CLASS FEATURE... that's a kind of DM niggling I've never experienced in my life. In any case, it's not particularly hard to attain the same level of abuse with a level of Wildrunner after MT - or heck, just going Druid 3/Wizard 1/MT 6/AH 10, which is arguably a better build that doesn't even rely on IWSA. As far as the power comparison to Pun-pun goes though, I do take exception with that and will happily point out that you are nowhere near it even with all the abuses required to get into this little set. Counter nit to pick here - you've flagrantly misread the statement. This isn't about whether it's getting up to Pun-Pun in power, it's about whether it's getting up there in ABUSES needed to get to that power... which it very easily is. Heck, reflecting on it, it's probably exceeding the abuses inherent to make Pun-Pun from a certain perspective. As for not having the actions/class features to burn these spells efficiently... uh, no? Ignoring the fact that you can create a horrid amount of buffs to make sure that you are nigh-impossible to harm, there are a number of spells that make a character's action economy more efficient. Arcane Spellsurge is a good one if you really just want to use spells like water, and it of course is obvious that the true power behind spells as much as class features are feats. -- http://i48.tinypic.com/1ryijd.jpg http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg <cite>Karma Hunter posted [p:515775] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> LavaLord posted...More nits to pick ahoy! Bamboo spirit folk can only technically ever get you into Arcane Hierophant, it grants Trackless Step as a racial ability, the requirement on it is specifically Trackless Step Class Feature, so that requires a generous stretch. Precocious Apprentice I don't actually have a problem with, save you a level or two or three, but nothing too egregious personally, though the only rulings from wotc I can recall do state that you can't actually use it to get in early (though the community at large tends to actively ignore this, citing the general ease of manipulation that could have resulted in the exact opposite ruling). Imbue with Spell Ability is one that I don't see come up too often, and I can't poke a logical hole in it at this moment, as much as I dislike that level of cheese.I'll only say that my eyebrow has been duly raised here. Only in the most ruleslawyeriest of rules whoring games even consider Precocious Apprentice or Imbue With Spell Ability as allowable ways to qualify for PrCs. Meanwhile, squelching someone because they happen to possess the proper prerequisite as a RACIAL ability instead of a CLASS FEATURE... that's a kind of DM niggling I've never experienced in my life. In any case, it's not particularly hard to attain the same level of abuse with a level of Wildrunner after MT - or heck, just going Druid 3/Wizard 1/MT 6/AH 10, which is arguably a better build that doesn't even rely on IWSA. As far as the power comparison to Pun-pun goes though, I do take exception with that and will happily point out that you are nowhere near it even with all the abuses required to get into this little set.Counter nit to pick here - you've flagrantly misread the statement. This isn't about whether it's getting up to Pun-Pun in power, it's about whether it's getting up there in ABUSES needed to get to that power... which it very easily is. Heck, reflecting on it, it's probably exceeding the abuses inherent to make Pun-Pun from a certain perspective.As for not having the actions/class features to burn these spells efficiently... uh, no? Ignoring the fact that you can create a horrid amount of buffs to make sure that you are nigh-impossible to harm, there are a number of spells that make a character's action economy more efficient. Arcane Spellsurge is a good one if you really just want to use spells like water, and it of course is obvious that the true power behind spells as much as class features are feats. -- http://i48.tinypic.com/1ryijd.jpghttp://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/30/11 10:28:00 PM #30:	'None' Alternatively, Knights (but they don't do anything else, not even fight), people with Goad, and people with excellent Bluff. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:515776] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> 'None'Alternatively, Knights (but they don't do anything else, not even fight), people with Goad, and people with excellent Bluff. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 11/30/11 10:29:00 PM #31:	Well I really don't know what to do. Would Spellthief be useless without casters to fight? Would its wide skill array overlap with the rogue too much? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:515777] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> Well I really don't know what to do.Would Spellthief be useless without casters to fight? Would its wide skill array overlap with the rogue too much? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig.Started: July 6, 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wedge Antilles 11/30/11 10:29:00 PM #32:	So are we adding two more people to this or shifting someone from group B to group A? -- The Diligent One <cite>Wedge Antilles posted [p:515778] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> So are we adding two more people to this or shifting someone from group B to group A? -- The Diligent One </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 11/30/11 10:33:00 PM #33:	From: Highwind89 \| #014 Just to let group A know, I can play a wizard or a sorcerer if no one else wants to do an arcane caster. Though factotum really interests me. I think Sytha expressed an interest in arcane casting, which means what we actually need is a cleric or other divine character, which hopefully FD can fill for us. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:515779] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> From: Highwind89 \| #014Just to let group A know, I can play a wizard or a sorcerer if no one else wants to do an arcane caster. Though factotum really interests me.I think Sytha expressed an interest in arcane casting, which means what we actually need is a cleric or other divine character, which hopefully FD can fill for us. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 11/30/11 10:33:00 PM #34:	From: Wedge Antilles \| #032 So are we adding two more people to this or shifting someone from group B to group A? As someone who has played DnD via aim before, trust me you want our group to be the size it is. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:515780] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> From: Wedge Antilles \| #032So are we adding two more people to this or shifting someone from group B to group A?As someone who has played DnD via aim before, trust me you want our group to be the size it is. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wedge Antilles 11/30/11 10:36:00 PM #35:	I'd rather have balanced groups. I'm used to playing slow. I play with guys who take 10 minutes to plan out a move that could be summarized with "move in behind him and stab him in the back". -- The Diligent One <cite>Wedge Antilles posted [p:515781] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> I'd rather have balanced groups.I'm used to playing slow. I play with guys who take 10 minutes to plan out a move that could be summarized with "move in behind him and stab him in the back". -- The Diligent One </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LavaLord 11/30/11 10:37:00 PM #36:	Considering Precocious Apprentice non-abusive isn't exactly a huge leap, it's arguably the original intent of the feat after all, why else make a feat expressly to allow casting of a second level spell? I did state distaste at Imbue with Spell Ability, I just can't think of a reason why it doesn't work RAW at that moment, and I still can't think of a patently good argument against it other than 'no'. Next on the list, no, it doesn't require the same amount of rules abuses, Pun-pun requires investing divine ranks in squirrels as a basic part of his divinity ascension for Pete's sake, meanwhile the abuses used in this pseudo build are much smaller leaps of mental continuity. Also, no high level caster should be burning through their spells at that rate because it is a flat stupid waste to leave yourself open in such a manner. You can assemble all the buffs you want, but a proper dispel from someone specced for it will leave you quite out in the cold, unless you have invested a vast amount of resources into it beyond even the basic preparations of people with crafted contingencies tailor made by the char-op boards to stop very nearly every effect that might take them down. -- Currently playing: Chrono Trigger DS, Pokemon Platinum, and Super Mario Bros. 3 <cite>LavaLord posted [p:515782] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> Considering Precocious Apprentice non-abusive isn't exactly a huge leap, it's arguably the original intent of the feat after all, why else make a feat expressly to allow casting of a second level spell? I did state distaste at Imbue with Spell Ability, I just can't think of a reason why it doesn't work RAW at that moment, and I still can't think of a patently good argument against it other than 'no'. Next on the list, no, it doesn't require the same amount of rules abuses, Pun-pun requires investing divine ranks in squirrels as a basic part of his divinity ascension for Pete's sake, meanwhile the abuses used in this pseudo build are much smaller leaps of mental continuity. Also, no high level caster should be burning through their spells at that rate because it is a flat stupid waste to leave yourself open in such a manner. You can assemble all the buffs you want, but a proper dispel from someone specced for it will leave you quite out in the cold, unless you have invested a vast amount of resources into it beyond even the basic preparations of people with crafted contingencies tailor made by the char-op boards to stop very nearly every effect that might take them down. -- Currently playing: Chrono Trigger DS, Pokemon Platinum, and Super Mario Bros. 3 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Karma Hunter 11/30/11 10:51:00 PM #37:	*KanzarisKelshen posted...* From: Anagram \| #019 KanzarisKelshen posted... And BTW, reposting my sheet for ease of access so Han doesn't have to resort to archiving topics: http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=349110 Rei is now an Azurin too. Went with it because it fit way too well not to do. So now the Lufeinnes' mutation is stat-reflected. Now I just need to find a good picture... What's an Azurin? Incarnum-infused human. One of the most obvious differences is...glowing eyes. Yeah, it fit way too well to NOT do. Also, while it is indeed super cheesy, it's worth pointing out that that Mystic Theurge has nothing on an Ur-Priest in spite of all the tricks used. It's surprisingly tame so long as the player doesn't act like a dick, relatively speaking. I'd put that kind of abusive build up against Ur-Priest any day. Ur-Priest lacks spell slots (severely), caster levels, spontaneous heal/inflict spells, domains... oh, and 9th level spells from the most powerful spell list in the game in addition to divine spells. It gets some okay class features, chief among them Steal SLA (although Divine Spell Resistance isn't something I'd ever want to have!), with the main perk being the ability to cast level 9 spells at level 15. If they have Wisdom 28. Which I guess you could have at that level if you started with an 18, put all your level points into it, wore a Periapt of Wisdom +6, and either read a Tome of Understanding +1 or used a wish. Nothing on an Ur-Priest? Even a Sublime Chord/Ur-Priest using Fochlucan Lyrist to fuse the two is a hard sell (and the Theurge can do the same thing instead of Hierophant, with a bit of work). -- http://i48.tinypic.com/1ryijd.jpg http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg <cite>Karma Hunter posted [p:515783] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> KanzarisKelshen posted...From: Anagram \| #019KanzarisKelshen posted...And BTW, reposting my sheet for ease of access so Han doesn't have to resort to archiving topics:http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=349110Rei is now an Azurin too. Went with it because it fit way too well not to do. So now the Lufeinnes' mutation is stat-reflected. Now I just need to find a good picture...What's an Azurin?Incarnum-infused human. One of the most obvious differences is...glowing eyes. Yeah, it fit way too well to NOT do.Also, while it is indeed super cheesy, it's worth pointing out that that Mystic Theurge has nothing on an Ur-Priest in spite of all the tricks used. It's surprisingly tame so long as the player doesn't act like a dick, relatively speaking.I'd put that kind of abusive build up against Ur-Priest any day. Ur-Priest lacks spell slots (severely), caster levels, spontaneous heal/inflict spells, domains... oh, and 9th level spells from the most powerful spell list in the game in addition to divine spells. It gets some okay class features, chief among them Steal SLA (although Divine Spell Resistance isn't something I'd ever want to have!), with the main perk being the ability to cast level 9 spells at level 15. If they have Wisdom 28. Which I guess you could have at that level if you started with an 18, put all your level points into it, wore a Periapt of Wisdom +6, and either read a Tome of Understanding +1 or used a wish.Nothing on an Ur-Priest? Even a Sublime Chord/Ur-Priest using Fochlucan Lyrist to fuse the two is a hard sell (and the Theurge can do the same thing instead of Hierophant, with a bit of work). -- http://i48.tinypic.com/1ryijd.jpghttp://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Highwind89 11/30/11 11:01:00 PM #38:	From: edwardsdv \| #033 I think Sytha expressed an interest in arcane casting, which means what we actually need is a cleric or other divine character, which hopefully FD can fill for us. I could also try a cleric, favored soul, or druid (I wouldn't abuse the druid, nor do I even know how) if need be, though it would be like my first time playing a divine caster. <cite>Highwind89 posted [p:515784] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> From: edwardsdv \| #033I think Sytha expressed an interest in arcane casting, which means what we actually need is a cleric or other divine character, which hopefully FD can fill for us.I could also try a cleric, favored soul, or druid (I wouldn't abuse the druid, nor do I even know how) if need be, though it would be like my first time playing a divine caster. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Highwind89 11/30/11 11:04:00 PM #39:	Also, for prestige classes that require a sneak attack as a prerequisite, does the factotum's cunning strike count for that? <cite>Highwind89 posted [p:515785] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> Also, for prestige classes that require a sneak attack as a prerequisite, does the factotum's cunning strike count for that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/30/11 11:11:00 PM #40:	Nope as it isn't permanent. Stuff like the Shadow Hand Assassin's Stance does though. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:515786] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> Nope as it isn't permanent. Stuff like the Shadow Hand Assassin's Stance does though. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 11/30/11 11:11:00 PM #41:	*Highwind89 posted...* Also, for prestige classes that require a sneak attack as a prerequisite, does the factotum's cunning strike count for that? That's DM fiat, but I would guess not. Are there any PrCs that make a bard/fighter (or other martial class) work? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:515787] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> Highwind89 posted...Also, for prestige classes that require a sneak attack as a prerequisite, does the factotum's cunning strike count for that?That's DM fiat, but I would guess not.Are there any PrCs that make a bard/fighter (or other martial class) work? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig.Started: July 6, 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/30/11 11:27:00 PM #42:	From: Anagram \| #041 *Highwind89 posted...* Also, for prestige classes that require a sneak attack as a prerequisite, does the factotum's cunning strike count for that? That's DM fiat, but I would guess not. Are there any PrCs that make a bard/fighter (or other martial class) work? Depends on what you want out of it. There's a million ways to go about it. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:515788] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> From: Anagram \| #041Highwind89 posted...Also, for prestige classes that require a sneak attack as a prerequisite, does the factotum's cunning strike count for that?That's DM fiat, but I would guess not.Are there any PrCs that make a bard/fighter (or other martial class) work?Depends on what you want out of it. There's a million ways to go about it. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 11/30/11 11:28:00 PM #43:	*KanzarisKelshen posted...* Depends on what you want out of it. There's a million ways to go about it. Someone who competently stabs you in the face while using his song to buff his allies. Alternatively, is Seeker of the Song viable? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:515789] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> KanzarisKelshen posted...Depends on what you want out of it. There's a million ways to go about it.Someone who competently stabs you in the face while using his song to buff his allies.Alternatively, is Seeker of the Song viable? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig.Started: July 6, 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/30/11 11:31:00 PM #44:	So basically, Snowflake Wardance user. Done. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:515790] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> So basically, Snowflake Wardance user. Done. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 11/30/11 11:33:00 PM #45:	*KanzarisKelshen posted...* So basically, Snowflake Wardance user. Done. What? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:515791] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> KanzarisKelshen posted...So basically, Snowflake Wardance user. Done.What? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig.Started: July 6, 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/30/11 11:34:00 PM #46:	From: Anagram \| #045 *KanzarisKelshen posted...* So basically, Snowflake Wardance user. Done. What? A feat that gives you attack bonus so your won't miss everything. Don't need anything else to own face. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:515792] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> From: Anagram \| #045KanzarisKelshen posted...So basically, Snowflake Wardance user. Done.What?A feat that gives you attack bonus so your won't miss everything. Don't need anything else to own face. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 11/30/11 11:44:00 PM #47:	*KanzarisKelshen posted...* From: Anagram \| #045 KanzarisKelshen posted... So basically, Snowflake Wardance user. Done. What? A feat that gives you attack bonus so your won't miss everything. Don't need anything else to own face. So would a Bard/Seeker of the Song with Snowflake Wardance work, or would it just end up being totally useless? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:515793] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> KanzarisKelshen posted...From: Anagram \| #045KanzarisKelshen posted...So basically, Snowflake Wardance user. Done.What?A feat that gives you attack bonus so your won't miss everything. Don't need anything else to own face.So would a Bard/Seeker of the Song with Snowflake Wardance work, or would it just end up being totally useless? -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig.Started: July 6, 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 11/30/11 11:45:00 PM #48:	Not sure since I haven't checked Seeker of the Song. The traditional buffer-fighter build involves, IIRC, Dragonfire Inspiration, Song of the White Raven, Snowflake Wardance, Badge of Valor, and a bunch of other things. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:515794] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> Not sure since I haven't checked Seeker of the Song. The traditional buffer-fighter build involves, IIRC, Dragonfire Inspiration, Song of the White Raven, Snowflake Wardance, Badge of Valor, and a bunch of other things. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FashnQueenEtna 12/01/11 2:22:00 AM #49:	http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=349138 I imputed my characters background and personality and such. I'll do the finishing touches later. -- Chrono1219 <cite>FashnQueenEtna posted [p:515795] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=349138I imputed my characters background and personality and such. I'll do the finishing touches later. -- Chrono1219 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 12/01/11 9:20:00 AM #50:	*KanzarisKelshen posted...* Speaking of homebrews, would you be OK with using the errata for ToB, Han? It would make my life much easier in spite of nerfing a couple things: http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=13292.0 If not that's OK, just mentioning it because I'm majorly racking my brains working out how to get around the Warblade's terrible stance progression. So using this would nerf your character a bit? -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] best [poelkemon ids nifdorino - Timjab <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:515796] in Han wants ... [t:61207132]...</cite> <quote> KanzarisKelshen posted...Speaking of homebrews, would you be OK with using the errata for ToB, Han? It would make my life much easier in spite of nerfing a couple things:http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=13292.0If not that's OK, just mentioning it because I'm majorly racking my brains working out how to get around the Warblade's terrible stance progression.So using this would nerf your character a bit? -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE]best [poelkemon ids nifdorino - Timjab </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Board 8 > Han wants to organize and DM for a B8 D&D Group: Electric Boogaloo. (+) Yeah! (+)

Board 8 > Han wants to organize and DM for a B8 D&D Group: Electric Boogaloo.