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th3l3fty 11/22/11 9:21:00 AM #401:	webcam party doesn't prove anything he could just pull in some random stranger and ask him to pose as ricedream -- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris <cite>th3l3fty posted [p:499493] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> webcam party doesn't prove anythinghe could just pull in some random stranger and ask him to pose as ricedream -- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -trannyI have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 11/22/11 9:25:00 AM #402:	I think people were always skeptical but they got the benefit of the doubt due to the number of years both accounts had been around. Plus it was like a boardwide thing rather than just the Oracle. And I'm pretty sure we all have better things to do than wonder if someone is pretending to be multiple users. It probably wouldn't have come up here for Cbaron/Ricedream if they were established B8'ers/Oracle participants. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:499494] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> I think people were always skeptical but they got the benefit of the doubt due to the number of years both accounts had been around. Plus it was like a boardwide thing rather than just the Oracle.And I'm pretty sure we all have better things to do than wonder if someone is pretending to be multiple users. It probably wouldn't have come up here for Cbaron/Ricedream if they were established B8'ers/Oracle participants. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativename 11/22/11 9:50:00 AM #403:	From: 3DSRage \| #1954 Okay, now explain FootBallLion, who has basically unconfirmed himself as part of your trio, but we know he uses the same computer. The"wtf" response from him ruined your case. Yes I believe their responses are both extremely plausible, but if they share the same IP with someone who is denying being associated with them that makes everything suspect. If they can't come up with a reasonable explanation I would support the "using the lowest score" and merging penalty. -- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery <cite>creativename posted [p:499495] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> From: 3DSRage \| #1954Okay, now explain FootBallLion, who has basically unconfirmed himself as part of your trio, but we know he uses the same computer.The"wtf" response from him ruined your case.Yes I believe their responses are both extremely plausible, but if they share the same IP with someone who is denying being associated with them that makes everything suspect.If they can't come up with a reasonable explanation I would support the "using the lowest score" and merging penalty. -- www.gamefaqscontests.comwww.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativename 11/22/11 9:54:00 AM #404:	From: th3l3fty \| #2001 webcam party doesn't prove anything he could just pull in some random stranger and ask him to pose as ricedream Well I think it would actually help a lot, I mean we can't prove them guilty either really. Having a random stranger fake act for something this weird online would be really awkward (just imagine how much of an idiot you would feel like asking someone to do this), so if they could do that then I'd be very inclined to believe them. The problem is that FootBallLion's story apparently doesn't add up if they are the same IP. It makes everything more suspect. -- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery <cite>creativename posted [p:499496] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> From: th3l3fty \| #2001webcam party doesn't prove anythinghe could just pull in some random stranger and ask him to pose as ricedreamWell I think it would actually help a lot, I mean we can't prove them guilty either really. Having a random stranger fake act for something this weird online would be really awkward (just imagine how much of an idiot you would feel like asking someone to do this), so if they could do that then I'd be very inclined to believe them.The problem is that FootBallLion's story apparently doesn't add up if they are the same IP. It makes everything more suspect. -- www.gamefaqscontests.comwww.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 11/22/11 10:02:00 AM #405:	Pretty much agree with creative. If they did that or even like a double signed pic that was just PM'ed to Carvy then I'd believe them. If anyone was willing to go to that sort of length to get an increased chance of winning a small internet contest against complete strangers (since it's their first contest), then they have bigger issues than the Oracle. And is it confirmed all three share an IP? It looks ambiguous to me as it could just be the 2. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:499497] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> Pretty much agree with creative. If they did that or even like a double signed pic that was just PM'ed to Carvy then I'd believe them.If anyone was willing to go to that sort of length to get an increased chance of winning a small internet contest against complete strangers (since it's their first contest), then they have bigger issues than the Oracle. And is it confirmed all three share an IP? It looks ambiguous to me as it could just be the 2. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 11/22/11 1:01:00 PM #406:	How does anyone know anything about their IP? -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:499498] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> How does anyone know anything about their IP? -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 11/22/11 1:50:00 PM #407:	It's implied by Ngirl's post. Least that's how I read it. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:499499] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> It's implied by Ngirl's post. Least that's how I read it. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
th3l3fty 11/22/11 1:57:00 PM #408:	on a totally unrelated note, Luster got some feedback from Bacon about start times Message From GameFAQs on 11/22/2011 Was wondering who would notice first... The nightly poll rollover had to be moved back one minute as it was randomly failing when run right at 9:00 (you probably noticed it not start for 2-5 minutes after 9 for the previous 2 nights, and randomly in the weeks before). Something was conflicting at 9 that seems to be fine at 9:01. so technically, the expected start time is now a minute later >_> -- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris <cite>th3l3fty posted [p:499500] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> on a totally unrelated note, Luster got some feedback from Bacon about start timesMessage From GameFAQs on 11/22/2011Was wondering who would notice first...The nightly poll rollover had to be moved back one minute as it was randomly failing when run right at 9:00 (you probably noticed it not start for 2-5 minutes after 9 for the previous 2 nights, and randomly in the weeks before). Something was conflicting at 9 that seems to be fine at 9:01.so technically, the expected start time is now a minute later >_> -- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -trannyI have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 11/22/11 2:01:00 PM #409:	Yeah, I was going to post something like 'Omg does this mean we get an extra minute!?' but then decided not to as I cba waking up at 5am to purposedly do this. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:499501] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> Yeah, I was going to post something like 'Omg does this mean we get an extra minute!?' but then decided not to as I cba waking up at 5am to purposedly do this. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-LusterSoldier- 11/22/11 2:58:00 PM #410:	The later start time shouldn't have any effect on what time you must get your prediction in before the match starts. I still expect the deadline to be 12:00 AM EST, just because the poll start time could be changed back to 12:00 AM again without any warning at all. -- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ \| ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! <cite>-LusterSoldier- posted [p:499502] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> The later start time shouldn't have any effect on what time you must get your prediction in before the match starts. I still expect the deadline to be 12:00 AM EST, just because the poll start time could be changed back to 12:00 AM again without any warning at all. -- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ \| ~Data Analyst~Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FootBallLion 11/22/11 5:06:00 PM #411:	@All who claim that I have the same IP with ricedream and cbaron0: I have my own laptop and I post my predictions with it. I do not share my computer with others and am 100% sure that no one has posted any predictions on this laptop except for myself. -- Internazionale, please don't end the history without relegations this year... <cite>FootBallLion posted [p:499503] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> @All who claim that I have the same IP with ricedream and cbaron0:I have my own laptop and I post my predictions with it. I do not share my computer with others and am 100% sure that no one has posted any predictions on this laptop except for myself. -- Internazionale, please don't end the history without relegations this year... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cbaron0 11/22/11 8:00:00 PM #412:	*th3l3fty posted...* webcam party doesn't prove anything he could just pull in some random stranger and ask him to pose as ricedream well, I don't know about you, but I personally wouldn't go that far just to keep myself slightly above on a internet contest. Just saying. Anyways, best method to solve this whole thing: merge me and ricedream. Take our lowest score for each match to make it fair. That's it. Since we're roommates and we discuss this contest together, I guess you could consider us one person. -- This signature is signed by Dr. Football <cite>cbaron0 posted [p:499504] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> th3l3fty posted...webcam party doesn't prove anythinghe could just pull in some random stranger and ask him to pose as ricedreamwell, I don't know about you, but I personally wouldn't go that far just to keep myself slightly above on a internet contest. Just saying.Anyways, best method to solve this whole thing: merge me and ricedream. Take our lowest score for each match to make it fair. That's it. Since we're roommates and we discuss this contest together, I guess you could consider us one person. -- This signature is signed by Dr. Football </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xcarvenger 11/22/11 8:17:00 PM #413:	Ok, enough is enough. None of you has offered evidence to the contrary, and instead, fueling this more with your lies to fit the situation. The roommate scenario was slightly plausible, but it's still against the spirit of the challenge and I'd have merged you two anyway to prevent the repeat of a mess that is last year. Then FootBallLion comes along and confirming that you're "all" a "bunch" of liar. Thanks for that. Here's another interesting observation I've gathered. You act like you have participated in the Oracle for years and know the ins and outs of the procedures. Legitimate new users did not act like that from my observation. Therefore, you must be a veteran oracle player. You have participated under a different name in the past. Tell me the truth and I may consider allowing you to continue predicting under an account. For now, I'm banning all 3 accounts for blatantly lying, attempting to cheat, disrespecting the spirit of the Oracle and wasting my time and everyone else's time. I have seek advice from Kaxon on what he'd have done in this situation, and he said he'd banned all 3 accounts in a heartbeat given the evidence if he's in charge (which he does even though he won't admit it >_>). So, that's what I'll do, and that's the end. Any other way and I'll have to spend more time to fix your mess. That's all. -- http://www.megaupload.com/?d=77WDL08B <cite>Xcarvenger posted [p:499505] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> Ok, enough is enough. None of you has offered evidence to the contrary, and instead, fueling this more with your lies to fit the situation. The roommate scenario was slightly plausible, but it's still against the spirit of the challenge and I'd have merged you two anyway to prevent the repeat of a mess that is last year. Then FootBallLion comes along and confirming that you're "all" a "bunch" of liar. Thanks for that.Here's another interesting observation I've gathered. You act like you have participated in the Oracle for years and know the ins and outs of the procedures. Legitimate new users did not act like that from my observation. Therefore, you must be a veteran oracle player. You have participated under a different name in the past. Tell me the truth and I may consider allowing you to continue predicting under an account.For now, I'm banning all 3 accounts for blatantly lying, attempting to cheat, disrespecting the spirit of the Oracle and wasting my time and everyone else's time. I have seek advice from Kaxon on what he'd have done in this situation, and he said he'd banned all 3 accounts in a heartbeat given the evidence if he's in charge (which he does even though he won't admit it >_>). So, that's what I'll do, and that's the end. Any other way and I'll have to spend more time to fix your mess.That's all. -- http://www.megaupload.com/?d=77WDL08B </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kanodish 11/22/11 9:07:00 PM #414:	After seeing how much my roommates were enjoying this contest, I joined too. Guess I'll stop since it's no fun anymore.... At least cyber stalking witch hunts are entertaining. <cite>kanodish posted [p:499506] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> After seeing how much my roommates were enjoying this contest, I joined too. Guess I'll stop since it's no fun anymore.... At least cyber stalking witch hunts are entertaining. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 11/23/11 12:07:00 AM #415:	Oracle. Serious business yo. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:499507] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> Oracle. Serious business yo. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 11/23/11 12:09:00 AM #416:	wow, uh... yikes -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:499508] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> wow, uh... yikes -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-LusterSoldier- 11/23/11 12:35:00 AM #417:	I see that FootBallLion and ricedream got deleted out of the database, along with the team that ricedream and cbaron0 were part of. th3l3fty \| Posted 11/21/2011 6:55:13 PM \| message detail \| quote -looking at their predictions, I noticed that, with three exceptions, all the predictions were within 1% -until recently, most of their changes were made around the same time -I caught ricedream posting a prediction right after cbaron0 had logged out -in the signups topic, cbaron0's post was simply to sign up with ricedream --ricedream posted to confirm the team about a minute later - which was ricedream's first ever post -the account "ricedream" was created on October 15th, a week after the Oracle signups topic was posted -ricedream's karma is currently at 22, which accounts for the one day it was logged into to sign up for the team and 21 days of contest predictions - in other words, the account only exists to post Oracle predictions Good stuff there, although you haven't posted any proof as to why you think FootBallLion is associated with cbaron0 and ricedream. -- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ \| ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! <cite>-LusterSoldier- posted [p:499509] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> I see that FootBallLion and ricedream got deleted out of the database, along with the team that ricedream and cbaron0 were part of.th3l3fty \| Posted 11/21/2011 6:55:13 PM \| message detail \| quote-looking at their predictions, I noticed that, with three exceptions, all the predictions were within 1%-until recently, most of their changes were made around the same time-I caught ricedream posting a prediction right after cbaron0 had logged out-in the signups topic, cbaron0's post was simply to sign up with ricedream--ricedream posted to confirm the team about a minute later - which was ricedream's first ever post-the account "ricedream" was created on October 15th, a week after the Oracle signups topic was posted-ricedream's karma is currently at 22, which accounts for the one day it was logged into to sign up for the team and 21 days of contest predictions - in other words, the account only exists to post Oracle predictionsGood stuff there, although you haven't posted any proof as to why you think FootBallLion is associated with cbaron0 and ricedream. -- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ \| ~Data Analyst~Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Camden 11/23/11 12:51:00 AM #418:	Damn, that's a hell of a punishment for not believing they're roommates and gamefaqs last visit times that don't work that well. On the other hand, I should move up a spot. -- When someone is giving you his opinion, you should receive it with deep gratitude even though it is worthless. <cite>Camden posted [p:499510] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> Damn, that's a hell of a punishment for not believing they're roommates and gamefaqs last visit times that don't work that well. On the other hand, I should move up a spot. -- When someone is giving you his opinion, you should receive it with deep gratitude even though it is worthless. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativename 11/23/11 2:42:00 AM #419:	From: Xcarvenger \| #2053Ok, enough is enough. None of you has offered evidence to the contrary, and instead, fueling this more with your lies to fit the situation. The roommate scenario was slightly plausible, but it's still against the spirit of the challenge and I'd have merged you two anyway to prevent the repeat of a mess that is last year. Then FootBallLion comes along and confirming that you're "all" a "bunch" of liar. Thanks for that. How has he confirmed they are liars? Has a mod confirmed they have the same IP? If so then yes, they are all liars. If not and they have no association with Footballlion, then it's a very different situation. We need mod confirmation of shared IP here. -- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery <cite>creativename posted [p:499511] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> From: Xcarvenger \| #2053Ok, enough is enough. None of you has offered evidence to the contrary, and instead, fueling this more with your lies to fit the situation. The roommate scenario was slightly plausible, but it's still against the spirit of the challenge and I'd have merged you two anyway to prevent the repeat of a mess that is last year. Then FootBallLion comes along and confirming that you're "all" a "bunch" of liar. Thanks for that.How has he confirmed they are liars? Has a mod confirmed they have the same IP?If so then yes, they are all liars.If not and they have no association with Footballlion, then it's a very different situation. We need mod confirmation of shared IP here. -- www.gamefaqscontests.comwww.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativename 11/23/11 2:46:00 AM #420:	From: Camden \| #2058 Damn, that's a hell of a punishment for not believing they're roommates and gamefaqs last visit times that don't work that well. On the other hand, I should move up a spot. I agree, if they have nothing to do with footballlion and they are just roomates, then banning both is certainly not the appropriate punishment. If they are the same as footballlion and just BSing us, then banning all of them is fine on account of deception. -- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery <cite>creativename posted [p:499512] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> From: Camden \| #2058Damn, that's a hell of a punishment for not believing they're roommates and gamefaqs last visit times that don't work that well. On the other hand, I should move up a spot.I agree, if they have nothing to do with footballlion and they are just roomates, then banning both is certainly not the appropriate punishment.If they are the same as footballlion and just BSing us, then banning all of them is fine on account of deception. -- www.gamefaqscontests.comwww.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 11/23/11 4:31:00 AM #421:	I can't make sense of this at all. Is kanodish also saying that s/he is a roommate of Ricedream/Cbaron? And like creative said, is it confirmed that FootBallLion also shares an IP with those 2-3? So if they are seperate people, there's 3 or 4 of them. Who are all roommates with at least 2 seperate computers being used? And 3 of those accounts have been created pretty much solely for Oracle purposes? It's plausible but just sounds unlikely/suspicious. Can a mod check through and ensure that there isn't any other accounts posting on that IP? And if you guys are seperate people then can't you just clear it up by sending Carvy some proof in a PM? It's not like the rest of us have to have anything to do with it. All we need is Carvy to confirm you are unique people, we don't need to see the proof. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:499513] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> I can't make sense of this at all. Is kanodish also saying that s/he is a roommate of Ricedream/Cbaron?And like creative said, is it confirmed that FootBallLion also shares an IP with those 2-3?So if they are seperate people, there's 3 or 4 of them. Who are all roommates with at least 2 seperate computers being used? And 3 of those accounts have been created pretty much solely for Oracle purposes? It's plausible but just sounds unlikely/suspicious. Can a mod check through and ensure that there isn't any other accounts posting on that IP?And if you guys are seperate people then can't you just clear it up by sending Carvy some proof in a PM? It's not like the rest of us have to have anything to do with it. All we need is Carvy to confirm you are unique people, we don't need to see the proof. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ricedream 11/23/11 5:11:00 AM #422:	"Here's another interesting observation I've gathered. You act like you have participated in the Oracle for years and know the ins and outs of the procedures. Legitimate new users did not act like that from my observation. Therefore, you must be a veteran oracle player. You have participated under a different name in the past. Tell me the truth and I may consider allowing you to continue predicting under an account." - I'm going to take this as a compliment, but didn't you check our geographic IP? :) - If you read carefully enough, we never said that we were completely disassociated. And if you bothered asking a mod, you'd probably find out that he indeed is a different person with a similar, but different IP. - @above: Doesn't it seem pointless from our perspective for us to have tried to provide "evidence" that we're "innocent" considering that we were already unfairly assumed "guilty", especially considering the type of sentiments th3l3fty and Camden provided. Was it even possible? - Go Pokemon. It's nice to go out on a win. :) -- <(^_^<) <cite>ricedream posted [p:499514] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> "Here's another interesting observation I've gathered. You act like you have participated in the Oracle for years and know the ins and outs of the procedures. Legitimate new users did not act like that from my observation. Therefore, you must be a veteran oracle player. You have participated under a different name in the past. Tell me the truth and I may consider allowing you to continue predicting under an account."- I'm going to take this as a compliment, but didn't you check our geographic IP? :) - If you read carefully enough, we never said that we were completely disassociated. And if you bothered asking a mod, you'd probably find out that he indeed is a different person with a similar, but different IP. - @above: Doesn't it seem pointless from our perspective for us to have tried to provide "evidence" that we're "innocent" considering that we were already unfairly assumed "guilty", especially considering the type of sentiments th3l3fty and Camden provided. Was it even possible? - Go Pokemon. It's nice to go out on a win. :) -- <(^_^<) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 11/23/11 5:28:00 AM #423:	It isn't pointless, no. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what me,Camden, Lefty or anyone else thinks. All that matters is what Carvy thinks. If you can convince him, then that's enough. You'll have to excuse people for being suspicious but look it from our POV. Last year both the individual and team contest was won by someone who is quite possibly an alt account. There was also accusations of shady tactics (mimicry to defend a lead). So with the evidence stacked up against you guys, you're not going to easily be given the benefit of the doubt. You're new users who look like you're solely here for the Oracle with knowledge that is generally associated with years of being around B8. And you could have easily proven you were seperate people but opted not to. If you are seperate people then just prove it to Carvy and nobody else. It would be a crying shame for people to be wrongly thrown out of the contest. Especially people who are challenging for the overall win. If you are who you say then you deserve to be in but you need to prove it. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:499515] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> It isn't pointless, no. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what me,Camden, Lefty or anyone else thinks. All that matters is what Carvy thinks. If you can convince him, then that's enough.You'll have to excuse people for being suspicious but look it from our POV. Last year both the individual and team contest was won by someone who is quite possibly an alt account. There was also accusations of shady tactics (mimicry to defend a lead).So with the evidence stacked up against you guys, you're not going to easily be given the benefit of the doubt. You're new users who look like you're solely here for the Oracle with knowledge that is generally associated with years of being around B8. And you could have easily proven you were seperate people but opted not to.If you are seperate people then just prove it to Carvy and nobody else. It would be a crying shame for people to be wrongly thrown out of the contest. Especially people who are challenging for the overall win. If you are who you say then you deserve to be in but you need to prove it. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 11/23/11 11:05:00 AM #424:	so when are the bottom half of round 2 predictions going to be up I dunno if i'm going to be around much this weekend and I don't want to miss those couple matches -- I wish I could wear skirts and dresses :( -GMUN <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:499516] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> so when are the bottom half of round 2 predictions going to be upI dunno if i'm going to be around much this weekend and I don't want to miss those couple matches -- I wish I could wear skirts and dresses :( -GMUN </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
th3l3fty 11/23/11 12:10:00 PM #425:	there is literally no chance Carvey would remove someone without solid, incontrovertible evidence that they were cheating and that's really all I can say here without delving too deep -- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris <cite>th3l3fty posted [p:499517] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> there is literally no chance Carvey would remove someone without solid, incontrovertible evidence that they were cheatingand that's really all I can say here without delving too deep -- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -trannyI have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xcarvenger 11/23/11 6:05:00 PM #426:	From: creativename \| #419 Has a mod confirmed they have the same IP? Let's just say, not even "a" mod. From: ShatteredElysium \| #421 Is kanodish also saying that s/he is a roommate of Ricedream/Cbaron? Probably mocking me/us for almost believing the roommate story, but it's basically this person admitting that he's been caught. And it's not like kanodish was really legitimate either (there's already some concern that kanodish is also an alt, but this takes care of it) From: ricedream \| #422 If you read carefully enough, we never said that we were completely disassociated. And if you bothered asking a mod, you'd probably find out that he indeed is a different person with a similar, but different IP. Who? Definitely not cbaron0 since you "guys" shared a computer "sometimes" as a "roommate". So FootBallLion? Well, explain to me then why would he feel the need to make an impression that he doesn't know either cbaron0 or ricedream before he's exposed? If what you are saying is right, there is absolutely no sincere reason for him to hide this fact in his first "timely" post, and then emphasized his detachment with the other accounts in his second. From: ricedream \| #422 - @above: Doesn't it seem pointless from our perspective for us to have tried to provide "evidence" that we're "innocent" considering that we were already unfairly assumed "guilty", especially considering the type of sentiments th3l3fty and Camden provided. Was it even possible? Well yes, it was possible and is probably still possible now before it's too late. As you may have noticed, I haven't deleted your cbaron0 account thinking you would just end this charade right away and I'd be happy to let you continue to participate under your main account, but of course you stopped predicting using your main as a protest or something while still predicting with your alts, virtually confirming all the accusations and telling me that you've given up (which you definitely wouldn't let go so easily if you were in the right judging by your oracle passion). The only thing left for me to do now is whether to let you get the satisfaction of keeping the leaderboard / top 5 records as cbaron0, or delete it anyway as a punishment. I'll let everyone decides on this before taking further action, so you still have time to come clean/prove us wrong if you want. Funny, isn't it, in the days and age where GameFAQs is literally less popular than it was 10 years ago, we get three "new" users coming to this particular board for the first time ever just for the Oracle Challenge ALL PREDICTING THE SAME WAY. and by the way, they are all roommates too. I think there might be a little too much coincidences somewhere there! -- http://www.megaupload.com/?d=77WDL08B <cite>Xcarvenger posted [p:499518] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> From: creativename \| #419Has a mod confirmed they have the same IP?Let's just say, not even "a" mod.From: ShatteredElysium \| #421Is kanodish also saying that s/he is a roommate of Ricedream/Cbaron?Probably mocking me/us for almost believing the roommate story, but it's basically this person admitting that he's been caught. And it's not like kanodish was really legitimate either (there's already some concern that kanodish is also an alt, but this takes care of it)From: ricedream \| #422If you read carefully enough, we never said that we were completely disassociated. And if you bothered asking a mod, you'd probably find out that he indeed is a different person with a similar, but different IP.Who? Definitely not cbaron0 since you "guys" shared a computer "sometimes" as a "roommate". So FootBallLion? Well, explain to me then why would he feel the need to make an impression that he doesn't know either cbaron0 or ricedream before he's exposed? If what you are saying is right, there is absolutely no sincere reason for him to hide this fact in his first "timely" post, and then emphasized his detachment with the other accounts in his second.From: ricedream \| #422- @above: Doesn't it seem pointless from our perspective for us to have tried to provide "evidence" that we're "innocent" considering that we were already unfairly assumed "guilty", especially considering the type of sentiments th3l3fty and Camden provided. Was it even possible? Well yes, it was possible and is probably still possible now before it's too late. As you may have noticed, I haven't deleted your cbaron0 account thinking you would just end this charade right away and I'd be happy to let you continue to participate under your main account, but of course you stopped predicting using your main as a protest or something while still predicting with your alts, virtually confirming all the accusations and telling me that you've given up (which you definitely wouldn't let go so easily if you were in the right judging by your oracle passion).The only thing left for me to do now is whether to let you get the satisfaction of keeping the leaderboard / top 5 records as cbaron0, or delete it anyway as a punishment. I'll let everyone decides on this before taking further action, so you still have time to come clean/prove us wrong if you want.Funny, isn't it, in the days and age where GameFAQs is literally less popular than it was 10 years ago, we get three "new" users coming to this particular board for the first time ever just for the Oracle Challenge ALL PREDICTING THE SAME WAY. and by the way, they are all roommates too. I think there might be a little too much coincidences somewhere there! -- http://www.megaupload.com/?d=77WDL08B </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Camden 11/23/11 7:46:00 PM #427:	- @above: Doesn't it seem pointless from our perspective for us to have tried to provide "evidence" that we're "innocent" considering that we were already unfairly assumed "guilty", especially considering the type of sentiments th3l3fty and Camden provided. Was it even possible? Well, I was kind of disagreeing with them in a general stirring s* up type of way, but to be honest I didn't read half of what everyone said anyway. -- Rusty Bicycle: Rust is the perfect brake. You are technically correct, the best kind of correct! <cite>Camden posted [p:499519] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> - @above: Doesn't it seem pointless from our perspective for us to have tried to provide "evidence" that we're "innocent" considering that we were already unfairly assumed "guilty", especially considering the type of sentiments th3l3fty and Camden provided. Was it even possible? Well, I was kind of disagreeing with them in a general stirring s* up type of way, but to be honest I didn't read half of what everyone said anyway. -- Rusty Bicycle: Rust is the perfect brake.You are technically correct, the best kind of correct! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
junk_funk 11/24/11 1:51:00 PM #428:	Is anyone else, during the course of trying to make the Samus prediction, running into the fact that Kid and Guy must be a lot a stronger than Vyse for Samus to pull off a comfortable victory? It sounds bad, but has to be true. I mean, even if Kid could have 56%'d Vyse and that means Samus would beat Terra by only around 58%. But if you think Vyse could beat Kid then, technically, Terra could beat Samus...which is preposterous. Wacky stats. This match might be really close. -- http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5364544 <cite>junk_funk posted [p:499520] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> Is anyone else, during the course of trying to make the Samus prediction, running into the fact that Kid and Guy must be a lot a stronger than Vyse for Samus to pull off a comfortable victory?It sounds bad, but has to be true.I mean, even if Kid could have 56%'d Vyse and that means Samus would beat Terra by only around 58%. But if you think Vyse could beat Kid then, technically, Terra could beat Samus...which is preposterous.Wacky stats. This match might be really close. -- http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5364544 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 11/24/11 2:53:00 PM #429:	There will have been some form of SFF involved in the Vyse match. As well as Kid and Guy getting a great picture and possibly joke votes to make them look better. Granted it's not exactly the same but Samus would be projected to get 67.58% on Kefka and he's the stronger of the pairing. That's a lot of ground to make up to make it close. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:499521] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> There will have been some form of SFF involved in the Vyse match. As well as Kid and Guy getting a great picture and possibly joke votes to make them look better.Granted it's not exactly the same but Samus would be projected to get 67.58% on Kefka and he's the stronger of the pairing. That's a lot of ground to make up to make it close. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 11/24/11 9:13:00 PM #430:	Damn, I'm gutted :( Ryu/Ken were bleeding % big time, and I just needed them to drop .02% with the final two updates, which would have been consistent with their pattern of the final few minutes of the match...instead they GAINED .02, and I got stuck behind the boring guys who pick integers. So close to my only win of the contest. Lame! Still, 6th ain't bad. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:499522] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> Damn, I'm gutted :(Ryu/Ken were bleeding % big time, and I just needed them to drop .02% with the final two updates, which would have been consistent with their pattern of the final few minutes of the match...instead they GAINED .02, and I got stuck behind the boring guys who pick integers. So close to my only win of the contest.Lame! Still, 6th ain't bad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ngamer64 11/25/11 3:44:00 PM #431:	Hmmm, was going to say that banning all three was too harsh, but since multiple "sources" have confirmed that FootballLion shares their IP, we've really got no reason not to throw them all under the bus, given everything Lion has posted. I'd vote to delete the other two from the database, list those other names as alts, and suspend cbaron for the remainder of this season as a punishment for his cheating attempt. But let him keep all his records under that account name, and let him return next year with the added warning that we'll be keeping a very close eye on him. -- thengamer.com/guru thengamer.com/xstats board8.wikia.com You should search for The Show, the cool podcast featuring Guru Champ Black Turtle! <cite>Ngamer64 posted [p:499523] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> Hmmm, was going to say that banning all three was too harsh, but since multiple "sources" have confirmed that FootballLion shares their IP, we've really got no reason not to throw them all under the bus, given everything Lion has posted.I'd vote to delete the other two from the database, list those other names as alts, and suspend cbaron for the remainder of this season as a punishment for his cheating attempt. But let him keep all his records under that account name, and let him return next year with the added warning that we'll be keeping a very close eye on him. -- thengamer.com/guru thengamer.com/xstats board8.wikia.comYou should search for The Show, the cool podcast featuring Guru Champ Black Turtle! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3DSRage 11/25/11 4:23:00 PM #432:	Ban cbaron Ban ricedream Ban FootballLion remove cbaron's predictions why? so I get one more top 5 prediction. I only care about myself. <cite>3DSRage posted [p:499524] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> Ban cbaronBan ricedreamBan FootballLionremove cbaron's predictionswhy?so I get one more top 5 prediction. I only care about myself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativename 11/25/11 8:20:00 PM #433:	Ngamer with the King Arthurian voice of justice mixed with compassion! From: XIII_rocks \| #2110instead they GAINED .02, and I got stuck behind the boring guys who pick integers. So sorry for being boring and owning you :P -- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery <cite>creativename posted [p:499525] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> Ngamer with the King Arthurian voice of justice mixed with compassion!From: XIII_rocks \| #2110instead they GAINED .02, and I got stuck behind the boring guys who pick integers.So sorry for being boring and owning you :P -- www.gamefaqscontests.comwww.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xuxon 11/25/11 9:14:00 PM #434:	nice, 2 top 5's in a row. i'd need a hell of a drop to get 3, though. <cite>Xuxon posted [p:499526] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> nice, 2 top 5's in a row. i'd need a hell of a drop to get 3, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
junk_funk 11/25/11 10:40:00 PM #435:	49.99 Wahoo. -- http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5364544 <cite>junk_funk posted [p:499527] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> 49.99Wahoo. -- http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5364544 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ddrfan1022 11/25/11 10:43:00 PM #436:	You would think a 49.91 point prediction would get another top 5. WRONG. -- [It's MAHVEL Baby] Jov Is SoReal RR: 44/46; 78000 BP; Spread Bets for RR: $0 (-$1000 debt) after round 39; Oracle for RR: 1693.20 pts (35th) after round 38 <cite>ddrfan1022 posted [p:499528] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> You would think a 49.91 point prediction would get another top 5.WRONG. -- [It's MAHVEL Baby] Jov Is SoRealRR: 44/46; 78000 BP; Spread Bets for RR: $0 (-$1000 debt) after round 39; Oracle for RR: 1693.20 pts (35th) after round 38 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-LusterSoldier- 11/25/11 10:51:00 PM #437:	I once got 49.99 and couldn't get a top 5 because there were at least 5 perfects on the match I got 49.99 on. That was a few years ago. -- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ \| ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! <cite>-LusterSoldier- posted [p:499529] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> I once got 49.99 and couldn't get a top 5 because there were at least 5 perfects on the match I got 49.99 on. That was a few years ago. -- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ \| ~Data Analyst~Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
th3l3fty 11/25/11 11:26:00 PM #438:	who cares about top 5 picks leaderboard presences are where it's at! -- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris <cite>th3l3fty posted [p:499530] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> who cares about top 5 picksleaderboard presences are where it's at! -- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -trannyI have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IngmarBirdman 11/25/11 11:57:00 PM #439:	Quite surprised at these 55% Sora picks... That projects Hitler at 79% on Sol / Ky. -- "Ovelia ... SPOILERS IN THE KEYWORDS WOOPS" - Vormav <cite>IngmarBirdman posted [p:499531] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> Quite surprised at these 55% Sora picks... That projects Hitler at 79% on Sol / Ky. -- "Ovelia ... SPOILERS IN THE KEYWORDS WOOPS"- Vormav </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
th3l3fty 11/26/11 12:01:00 AM #440:	Hitler's numbers are gonna be a bit wonky anyway, what with the rallying and all -- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris <cite>th3l3fty posted [p:499532] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> Hitler's numbers are gonna be a bit wonky anyway, what with the rallying and all -- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -trannyI have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 11/26/11 12:24:00 AM #441:	I don't think you realize just how weak Sol/Ky are! The Bosses are currently projected at about 83% on Dan/Sagat, and Sol/Ky could be even weaker than that! -- "Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?" "I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!" <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:499533] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> I don't think you realize just how weak Sol/Ky are! The Bosses are currently projected at about 83% on Dan/Sagat, and Sol/Ky could be even weaker than that! -- "Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?""I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-LusterSoldier- 11/26/11 12:26:00 AM #442:	When I was trying to do x-stat calculations on the Dante/Sora match, I decided to set Sora at 62.50% on Hitler because Sora averaged 62.90% from 3:00 PM until the end of the match. With Sora/Dante being equal and Sora at 62.50% on Hitler, that puts Hitler at 76.79% on Sol/Ky while Dante gets 62.49% on Hitler. I have a hard time seeing Hitler get above 75% on anything at all. So I decided to put Hitler at just 65% on Sol/Ky, and that projects Dante to get 66.84% on Sora (not happening at all). My conclusion is that we are in for a really close match. -- Luster Soldier - Popular at school. ~Shield Bearer~ \| ~Data Analyst~ <cite>-LusterSoldier- posted [p:499534] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> When I was trying to do x-stat calculations on the Dante/Sora match, I decided to set Sora at 62.50% on Hitler because Sora averaged 62.90% from 3:00 PM until the end of the match. With Sora/Dante being equal and Sora at 62.50% on Hitler, that puts Hitler at 76.79% on Sol/Ky while Dante gets 62.49% on Hitler. I have a hard time seeing Hitler get above 75% on anything at all. So I decided to put Hitler at just 65% on Sol/Ky, and that projects Dante to get 66.84% on Sora (not happening at all).My conclusion is that we are in for a really close match. -- Luster Soldier - Popular at school. ~Shield Bearer~ \| ~Data Analyst~ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 11/26/11 12:27:00 AM #443:	Hitler's going to be pretty non-transitive, so trying to use him for a comparison on other entrants is probably a bad idea. -- http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2369/mythbattlers.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Sensui22/1248835958206.png <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:499535] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> Hitler's going to be pretty non-transitive, so trying to use him for a comparison on other entrants is probably a bad idea. -- http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2369/mythbattlers.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Sensui22/1248835958206.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-LusterSoldier- 11/26/11 12:32:00 AM #444:	That is possible with Hitler, but it's not going to be worse than trying to use L-Block 2007 or 2008 for comparisons. -- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ \| ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! <cite>-LusterSoldier- posted [p:499536] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> That is possible with Hitler, but it's not going to be worse than trying to use L-Block 2007 or 2008 for comparisons. -- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ \| ~Data Analyst~Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 11/26/11 12:33:00 AM #445:	It doesn't really matter. Trying to make an accurate comparison with any confidence isn't going to happen. You can say "That doesn't look right," when you see Hitler equaling 79% on Sol/Ky, but that's ultimately meaningless. -- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:499537] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> It doesn't really matter. Trying to make an accurate comparison with any confidence isn't going to happen. You can say "That doesn't look right," when you see Hitler equaling 79% on Sol/Ky, but that's ultimately meaningless. -- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gifhttp://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xuxon 11/26/11 12:34:00 AM #446:	It's non-linear, dammit! Transitivity has nothing to do with percentages, it's the property where if X > Y and Y > Z, X > Z. <cite>Xuxon posted [p:499538] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> It's non-linear, dammit! Transitivity has nothing to do with percentages, it's the property where if X > Y and Y > Z, X > Z. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IngmarBirdman 11/26/11 12:48:00 AM #447:	You can say "That doesn't look right," when you see Hitler equaling 79% on Sol/Ky, but that's ultimately meaningless Yeah, this is true. That's why I have Dante (which could just as easily be Sora) at 50.01%, not 55%. -- "Ovelia ... SPOILERS IN THE KEYWORDS WOOPS" - Vormav <cite>IngmarBirdman posted [p:499539] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> You can say "That doesn't look right," when you see Hitler equaling 79% on Sol/Ky, but that's ultimately meaninglessYeah, this is true. That's why I have Dante (which could just as easily be Sora) at 50.01%, not 55%. -- "Ovelia ... SPOILERS IN THE KEYWORDS WOOPS"- Vormav </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 11/26/11 3:21:00 AM #448:	Well there's also the fact that Dante has the uncanny knack of blowing out weaker opposition and then folding once he meets anyone with any remotely decent strength. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:499540] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> Well there's also the fact that Dante has the uncanny knack of blowing out weaker opposition and then folding once he meets anyone with any remotely decent strength. -- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-LusterSoldier- 11/26/11 4:48:00 PM #449:	Xuxon \| Posted 11/26/2011 3:34:52 AM \| message detail It's non-linear, dammit! Transitivity has nothing to do with percentages, it's the property where if X > Y and Y > Z, X > Z. That sounds more accurate here. L-Block 2007 is a example of a character that is both non-linear and non-transitive. Hitler is only going to be non-linear. And I'm not sure if Hitler will actually be non-linear, if L-Block 2010 acted like a linear character for once. Hitler didn't have any of the usual joke character trends. -- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ \| ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! <cite>-LusterSoldier- posted [p:499541] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> Xuxon \| Posted 11/26/2011 3:34:52 AM \| message detailIt's non-linear, dammit! Transitivity has nothing to do with percentages, it's the property where if X > Y and Y > Z, X > Z.That sounds more accurate here. L-Block 2007 is a example of a character that is both non-linear and non-transitive. Hitler is only going to be non-linear. And I'm not sure if Hitler will actually be non-linear, if L-Block 2010 acted like a linear character for once. Hitler didn't have any of the usual joke character trends. -- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ \| ~Data Analyst~Popular at school, but not as cool as BlAcK TuRtLe, Guru Champ! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Advokaiser 11/26/11 5:44:00 PM #450:	*-LusterSoldier- posted...* Hitler didn't have any of the usual joke character trends. What should have been the trend then? -- I think I broke the LOL <cite>Advokaiser posted [p:499542] in SC2k11 Ora... [t:60855117]...</cite> <quote> -LusterSoldier- posted...Hitler didn't have any of the usual joke character trends.What should have been the trend then? -- I think I broke the LOL </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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