Board 8 > How the HELL are abortions legal while prostitution is illegal?

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Crono801 10/20/11 4:11:00 PM #1:	A woman has a right to privacy concerning her own body... sometimes!! <cite>Crono801 posted [p:459638] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> A woman has a right to privacy concerning her own body... sometimes!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SlymDayspring 10/20/11 4:12:00 PM #2:	because the same feminists who are pro-abortion are anti-prostitution though I think that is slowly changing as they come to their senses. -- I'm "kind of a big deal". http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png <cite>SlymDayspring posted [p:459639] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> because the same feminists who are pro-abortion are anti-prostitution though I think that is slowly changing as they come to their senses. -- I'm "kind of a big deal".http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 10/20/11 4:13:00 PM #3:	"How the HELL are abortions legal" I stopped reading there and so I still think this is a good topic. -- ~Ç~ Eff_Dee http://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:459640] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> "How the HELL are abortions legal"I stopped reading there and so I still think this is a good topic. -- ~Ç~ Eff_Deehttp://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 10/20/11 4:16:00 PM #4:	only women are prostitutes -- bad advice http://www.last.fm/user/snowcampsoldier <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:459641] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> only women are prostitutes -- bad advicehttp://www.last.fm/user/snowcampsoldier </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingButz 10/20/11 4:17:00 PM #5:	Woman's choice is a feminists thing. Feminists dont like whores or something -- My Japanese alter-ego. Hey all this is Bartz btw. <cite>KingButz posted [p:459642] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> Woman's choice is a feminists thing. Feminists dont like whores or something -- My Japanese alter-ego.Hey all this is Bartz btw. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 10/20/11 4:20:00 PM #6:	feminist counter: 3 -- bad advice http://www.last.fm/user/snowcampsoldier <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:459643] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> feminist counter: 3 -- bad advicehttp://www.last.fm/user/snowcampsoldier </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
norenxaq 10/20/11 4:22:00 PM #7:	vv: hopefully, you aren't serious... if you are, you are incorrect <cite>norenxaq posted [p:459644] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> vv: hopefully, you aren't serious...if you are, you are incorrect </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
warp_speed651 10/20/11 4:23:00 PM #8:	Feminists have very little control over the law and anyone who thinks otherwise is clueless to the system. -- Justified and Ancient http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioNFdlOzoWA <cite>warp_speed651 posted [p:459645] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> Feminists have very little control over the law and anyone who thinks otherwise is clueless to the system. -- Justified and Ancienthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioNFdlOzoWA </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 10/20/11 4:25:00 PM #9:	From: norenxaq \| #007 vv: hopefully, you aren't serious... if you are, you are incorrect i was being facetious -- bad advice http://www.last.fm/user/snowcampsoldier <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:459646] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> From: norenxaq \| #007vv: hopefully, you aren't serious...if you are, you are incorrecti was being facetious -- bad advicehttp://www.last.fm/user/snowcampsoldier </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_DK 10/20/11 4:28:00 PM #10:	i took a women's studies course as an undergrad. Aside from 2 to 3 "bad apples", every woman in the class was pretty open minded to improving men and women and seemed pretty rational with their beliefs. Plus the teacher really liked my term paper. Maybe i got an "exception to the rule" class, but it was not like the stereotype at all. <cite>Metal_DK posted [p:459647] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> i took a women's studies course as an undergrad. Aside from 2 to 3 "bad apples", every woman in the class was pretty open minded to improving men and women and seemed pretty rational with their beliefs. Plus the teacher really liked my term paper. Maybe i got an "exception to the rule" class, but it was not like the stereotype at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 10/20/11 4:30:00 PM #11:	they're working on it. slowly. -- The future must protect the clone's past. "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:459648] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> they're working on it. slowly. -- The future must protect the clone's past."Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 10/20/11 4:33:00 PM #12:	From: SlymDayspring \| #002 feminists come to their senses. what -- "WTF is wrong with my brain" - SmartMuffin <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:459649] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> From: SlymDayspring \| #002feminists come to their senses.what -- "WTF is wrong with my brain" - SmartMuffin </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 10/20/11 4:41:00 PM #13:	Many feminists are pro-abortion because it strengthens their hand, with rights and choices. Feminist rhetoric has saturated the issue, which is why women have complete control over the abortion decision and men have none, even though the man will be expected to pay child support for the next 18 years if she has the baby. That same portion of feminists are anti-prostitution and anti-porn because those things are worse for them. Prostitution and porn don't help women, and do help men. It lowers the value/price of the woman parts. So in a world without porn or prostitution, men would just have to pay a much higher price to gain access. Deal with worse female behavior, or whatever. Porn/prostitution serves as an alternative. If that girl you met is too much of a self-absorbed psycho, you can walk and just look at porn instead. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:459650] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> Many feminists are pro-abortion because it strengthens their hand, with rights and choices. Feminist rhetoric has saturated the issue, which is why women have complete control over the abortion decision and men have none, even though the man will be expected to pay child support for the next 18 years if she has the baby.That same portion of feminists are anti-prostitution and anti-porn because those things are worse for them. Prostitution and porn don't help women, and do help men. It lowers the value/price of the woman parts. So in a world without porn or prostitution, men would just have to pay a much higher price to gain access. Deal with worse female behavior, or whatever. Porn/prostitution serves as an alternative. If that girl you met is too much of a self-absorbed psycho, you can walk and just look at porn instead. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
charmander6000 10/20/11 4:47:00 PM #14:	prostitution is illegal? -- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls BOP Topic: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60566352 <cite>charmander6000 posted [p:459651] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> prostitution is illegal? -- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xlsBOP Topic: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60566352 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
charmander6000 10/20/11 4:47:00 PM #15:	I guess it's in the US -- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xls BOP Topic: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60566352 <cite>charmander6000 posted [p:459652] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> I guess it's in the US -- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/Rivalry%20BOP.xlsBOP Topic: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60566352 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 10/20/11 4:52:00 PM #16:	Puritanical craziness. We still haven't gotten over the whole boobies are evil idea -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:459653] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> Puritanical craziness. We still haven't gotten over the whole boobies are evil idea -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Greyfeld 10/20/11 4:58:00 PM #17:	*OmarsComin posted...* Many feminists are pro-abortion because it strengthens their hand, with rights and choices. Feminist rhetoric has saturated the issue, which is why women have complete control over the abortion decision and men have none, even though the man will be expected to pay child support for the next 18 years if she has the baby. That same portion of feminists are anti-prostitution and anti-porn because those things are worse for them. Prostitution and porn don't help women, and do help men. It lowers the value/price of the woman parts. So in a world without porn or prostitution, men would just have to pay a much higher price to gain access. Deal with worse female behavior, or whatever. Porn/prostitution serves as an alternative. If that girl you met is too much of a self-absorbed psycho, you can walk and just look at porn instead. I don't think it has so much to do with power as with perception. A woman being able to abort her pregnancy if she so chooses is seen as empowering and taking control over one's own body. On the other hand, prostitution is seen as degrading oneself for the pleasure of the opposite gender. Despite the fact that both have to do with a woman's right to choose, the latter gets negative lighting, because the assumption is that the poor woman is being taken advantage of, and being abused, and only making the best of a bad situation. Which may or may not be true, but as I said, it's the perception that's the issue here, not the reality. -- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." <cite>Greyfeld posted [p:459654] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> OmarsComin posted...Many feminists are pro-abortion because it strengthens their hand, with rights and choices. Feminist rhetoric has saturated the issue, which is why women have complete control over the abortion decision and men have none, even though the man will be expected to pay child support for the next 18 years if she has the baby.That same portion of feminists are anti-prostitution and anti-porn because those things are worse for them. Prostitution and porn don't help women, and do help men. It lowers the value/price of the woman parts. So in a world without porn or prostitution, men would just have to pay a much higher price to gain access. Deal with worse female behavior, or whatever. Porn/prostitution serves as an alternative. If that girl you met is too much of a self-absorbed psycho, you can walk and just look at porn instead.I don't think it has so much to do with power as with perception. A woman being able to abort her pregnancy if she so chooses is seen as empowering and taking control over one's own body. On the other hand, prostitution is seen as degrading oneself for the pleasure of the opposite gender.Despite the fact that both have to do with a woman's right to choose, the latter gets negative lighting, because the assumption is that the poor woman is being taken advantage of, and being abused, and only making the best of a bad situation. Which may or may not be true, but as I said, it's the perception that's the issue here, not the reality. -- PSN - AevioBlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Greyfeld 10/20/11 5:00:00 PM #18:	As far as mens' rights regarding pregnancy, it would be fine to not have any say over whether a woman gets an abortion or not, as long as men could sign some sort of legal waiver before the Nth term to free themselves of paying child support, if they so choose. -- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." <cite>Greyfeld posted [p:459655] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> As far as mens' rights regarding pregnancy, it would be fine to not have any say over whether a woman gets an abortion or not, as long as men could sign some sort of legal waiver before the Nth term to free themselves of paying child support, if they so choose. -- PSN - AevioBlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3DSRage 10/20/11 5:02:00 PM #19:	Pretty sure whoring yourself out for $ is legal, but purchasing said whore is illegal? <cite>3DSRage posted [p:459656] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> Pretty sure whoring yourself out for $ is legal, but purchasing said whore is illegal? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 10/20/11 5:05:00 PM #20:	From: Greyfeld \| #018 As far as mens' rights regarding pregnancy, it would be fine to not have any say over whether a woman gets an abortion or not, as long as men could sign some sort of legal waiver before the Nth term to free themselves of paying child support, if they so choose. In which case you presuppose that abortion is going to happen and babies should only be kept if the woman chooses to keep them? I can't say I like or agree with that. Tbh when you decide to stick it in you're making a choice to deal with the consequences. So is she mind you (provided it's consensual) but to say you can just "waive" off child support is ridiculous. -- ~Ç~ Eff_Dee http://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:459657] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> From: Greyfeld \| #018As far as mens' rights regarding pregnancy, it would be fine to not have any say over whether a woman gets an abortion or not, as long as men could sign some sort of legal waiver before the Nth term to free themselves of paying child support, if they so choose.In which case you presuppose that abortion is going to happen and babies should only be kept if the woman chooses to keep them? I can't say I like or agree with that.Tbh when you decide to stick it in you're making a choice to deal with the consequences. So is she mind you (provided it's consensual) but to say you can just "waive" off child support is ridiculous. -- ~Ç~ Eff_Deehttp://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 10/20/11 5:06:00 PM #21:	From: 3DSRage \| #019 Pretty sure whoring yourself out for $ is legal, but purchasing said whore is illegal? Then how come prostitutes spend the night in jail? -- ~Ç~ Eff_Dee http://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:459658] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> From: 3DSRage \| #019Pretty sure whoring yourself out for $ is legal, but purchasing said whore is illegal?Then how come prostitutes spend the night in jail? -- ~Ç~ Eff_Deehttp://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 10/20/11 5:10:00 PM #22:	Nah, that can't be right. There can't be a profession that's legal to perform but illegal to solicit. Apparently, both are class 3 misdemeanors in Colorado. -- "God Hand is the ultimate expression of the joy of humanity, specifically the punching part of the joy of humanity."-Shigeru Miyamoto <cite>paperwarior posted [p:459659] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> Nah, that can't be right. There can't be a profession that's legal to perform but illegal to solicit. Apparently, both are class 3 misdemeanors in Colorado. -- "God Hand is the ultimate expression of the joy of humanity, specifically the punching part of the joy of humanity."-Shigeru Miyamoto </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/20/11 5:12:00 PM #23:	Prostituting yourself is also illegal. There are states (Louisiana at least) where prostitutes end up registered as sex offenders. -- 90s games > 00s games <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:459660] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> Prostituting yourself is also illegal. There are states (Louisiana at least) where prostitutes end up registered as sex offenders. -- 90s games > 00s games </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 10/20/11 5:13:00 PM #24:	You want big government? This is what you get. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized http://img.imgcake.com/gadsdenflaggifda.gif <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:459661] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> You want big government? This is what you get. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilizedhttp://img.imgcake.com/gadsdenflaggifda.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/20/11 5:15:00 PM #25:	Actually prostitution has always been illegal in the US and the colonies before that. -- 90s games > 00s games <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:459662] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> Actually prostitution has always been illegal in the US and the colonies before that. -- 90s games > 00s games </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 10/20/11 5:16:00 PM #26:	From: SmartMuffin \| #024 You want big government? This is what you get. hahahaha -- "WTF is wrong with my brain" - SmartMuffin <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:459663] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> From: SmartMuffin \| #024You want big government? This is what you get.hahahaha -- "WTF is wrong with my brain" - SmartMuffin </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 10/20/11 5:16:00 PM #27:	Tbh when you decide to stick it in you're making a choice to deal with the consequences. So is she mind you (provided it's consensual) but to say you can just "waive" off child support is ridiculous. You should either be able to waive off both or neither. Letting you waive off one but not the other supports the rights of one gender over another. Since there is no consent required from men regarding abortion even though they are both responsible, men should be able to waive all responsibility for the potential kid. Having that system in place would require that both people come to an understanding about the situation and one can't coerce the other in any way. It would make things riskier for women but they would factor that in when deciding who to sleep with. Men already have to factor in that they may be signing on for 18 years of child support if they're sleeping with someone they don't trust without protection, so that's still consistent. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:459664] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> Tbh when you decide to stick it in you're making a choice to deal with the consequences. So is she mind you (provided it's consensual) but to say you can just "waive" off child support is ridiculous.You should either be able to waive off both or neither. Letting you waive off one but not the other supports the rights of one gender over another. Since there is no consent required from men regarding abortion even though they are both responsible, men should be able to waive all responsibility for the potential kid. Having that system in place would require that both people come to an understanding about the situation and one can't coerce the other in any way. It would make things riskier for women but they would factor that in when deciding who to sleep with. Men already have to factor in that they may be signing on for 18 years of child support if they're sleeping with someone they don't trust without protection, so that's still consistent. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 10/20/11 5:17:00 PM #28:	You want big government? This is what you get. I assume then that you think both should be legal, and that no governing power should be able to tell you what to do on either issue? That seems fair to me. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:459665] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> You want big government? This is what you get.I assume then that you think both should be legal, and that no governing power should be able to tell you what to do on either issue? That seems fair to me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 10/20/11 5:18:00 PM #29:	I assume then that you think both should be legal, and that no governing power should be able to tell you what to do on either issue? That seems fair to me. Not really, but legalizing both would be better than what we have now, where the victimless crime is illegal, and the crime with a victim is legal. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized http://img.imgcake.com/gadsdenflaggifda.gif <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:459666] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> I assume then that you think both should be legal, and that no governing power should be able to tell you what to do on either issue? That seems fair to me.Not really, but legalizing both would be better than what we have now, where the victimless crime is illegal, and the crime with a victim is legal. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilizedhttp://img.imgcake.com/gadsdenflaggifda.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 10/20/11 5:21:00 PM #30:	if you think the government should restrict abortion because it destroys a small collection of cells, I may have to question your libertarianism! don't give me that Ron Paul silly "it should be a state rights decision" thing either. in either case it's still a body of power stepping on individual rights. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:459667] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> if you think the government should restrict abortion because it destroys a small collection of cells, I may have to question your libertarianism! don't give me that Ron Paul silly "it should be a state rights decision" thing either. in either case it's still a body of power stepping on individual rights. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/20/11 5:21:00 PM #31:	Would it be okay if we punished abortion as less than murder? We can make it its own crime: "abortion." And naturally there'd be an aiding and abetting abortion crime for the man if he encourages the woman to do it. -- 90s games > 00s games <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:459668] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> Would it be okay if we punished abortion as less than murder? We can make it its own crime: "abortion." And naturally there'd be an aiding and abetting abortion crime for the man if he encourages the woman to do it. -- 90s games > 00s games </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 10/20/11 5:22:00 PM #32:	It's surprising how many anti-abortionists can't answer this question. "You are in a burning building. You can save either a 2 year old girl or 1000 fertilized embryos. Which do you save?" -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below! http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:459669] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> It's surprising how many anti-abortionists can't answer this question."You are in a burning building. You can save either a 2 year old girl or 1000 fertilized embryos. Which do you save?" -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below!http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/20/11 5:22:00 PM #33:	It's the government protecting individual rights. The rights of the person who is being killed. -- 90s games > 00s games <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:459670] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> It's the government protecting individual rights. The rights of the person who is being killed. -- 90s games > 00s games </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Greyfeld 10/20/11 5:25:00 PM #34:	*Forceful_Dragon posted...* From: Greyfeld \| #018 As far as mens' rights regarding pregnancy, it would be fine to not have any say over whether a woman gets an abortion or not, as long as men could sign some sort of legal waiver before the Nth term to free themselves of paying child support, if they so choose. In which case you presuppose that abortion is going to happen and babies should only be kept if the woman chooses to keep them? I can't say I like or agree with that. Tbh when you decide to stick it in you're making a choice to deal with the consequences. So is she mind you (provided it's consensual) but to say you can just "waive" off child support is ridiculous. I didn't say that it would be as easy as signing a slip of paper. You'd have to go through the right channels, etc etc, and only get it under select circumstances. But having that option is better than being stuck with child support for a child you don't want, because the woman refuses to abort. -- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." <cite>Greyfeld posted [p:459671] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> Forceful_Dragon posted...From: Greyfeld \| #018As far as mens' rights regarding pregnancy, it would be fine to not have any say over whether a woman gets an abortion or not, as long as men could sign some sort of legal waiver before the Nth term to free themselves of paying child support, if they so choose.In which case you presuppose that abortion is going to happen and babies should only be kept if the woman chooses to keep them? I can't say I like or agree with that.Tbh when you decide to stick it in you're making a choice to deal with the consequences. So is she mind you (provided it's consensual) but to say you can just "waive" off child support is ridiculous.I didn't say that it would be as easy as signing a slip of paper. You'd have to go through the right channels, etc etc, and only get it under select circumstances. But having that option is better than being stuck with child support for a child you don't want, because the woman refuses to abort. -- PSN - AevioBlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 10/20/11 5:26:00 PM #35:	From: JeffreyRaze \| #032 It's surprising how many anti-abortionists can't answer this question. "You are in a burning building. You can save either a 2 year old girl or 1000 fertilized embryos. Which do you save?" I'm anti-abortion and I can answer this. I would save the 2 year old girl. There is no telling how many (if any) of the fertilized embryos would come to term. Also if the building is burning then I would have some serious doubts about the integrity of the embryos at this point. -- ~Ç~ Eff_Dee http://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:459672] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> From: JeffreyRaze \| #032It's surprising how many anti-abortionists can't answer this question."You are in a burning building. You can save either a 2 year old girl or 1000 fertilized embryos. Which do you save?"I'm anti-abortion and I can answer this.I would save the 2 year old girl. There is no telling how many (if any) of the fertilized embryos would come to term. Also if the building is burning then I would have some serious doubts about the integrity of the embryos at this point. -- ~Ç~ Eff_Deehttp://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 10/20/11 5:26:00 PM #36:	It's the government protecting individual rights. The rights of the person who is being killed. we have no evidence that an embryo is a person they certainly fall below my threshold for "is it a person and does it deserve rights." animals are below that threshold for most of us after all, and they almost certainly are more sentient than a collection of cells. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:459673] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> It's the government protecting individual rights. The rights of the person who is being killed.we have no evidence that an embryo is a personthey certainly fall below my threshold for "is it a person and does it deserve rights." animals are below that threshold for most of us after all, and they almost certainly are more sentient than a collection of cells. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 10/20/11 5:27:00 PM #37:	From: JeffreyRaze \| #032 It's surprising how many anti-abortionists can't answer questions. yeah i know it's amazing the sort of mental flaws that they all seem to have. -- "WTF is wrong with my brain" - SmartMuffin <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:459674] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> From: JeffreyRaze \| #032It's surprising how many anti-abortionists can't answer questions.yeah i know it's amazing the sort of mental flaws that they all seem to have. -- "WTF is wrong with my brain" - SmartMuffin </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 10/20/11 5:27:00 PM #38:	Alright, much more abstract version of this then, what if you could save one 2 year old girl, or prevent 10 abortions. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below! http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:459675] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> Alright, much more abstract version of this then, what if you could save one 2 year old girl, or prevent 10 abortions. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below!http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 10/20/11 5:27:00 PM #39:	From: Greyfeld \| #034 I didn't say that it would be as easy as signing a slip of paper. You'd have to go through the right channels, etc etc, and only get it under select circumstances. But having that option is better than being stuck with child support for a child you don't want, because the woman refuses to abort. Aborting shouldn't even be an option imho... But given that's it is legal, any idiot with a working penis knows that there is a chance (however small) he can get someone pregnant if he has sex with her. -- ~Ç~ Eff_Dee http://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:459676] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> From: Greyfeld \| #034I didn't say that it would be as easy as signing a slip of paper. You'd have to go through the right channels, etc etc, and only get it under select circumstances. But having that option is better than being stuck with child support for a child you don't want, because the woman refuses to abort.Aborting shouldn't even be an option imho...But given that's it is legal, any idiot with a working penis knows that there is a chance (however small) he can get someone pregnant if he has sex with her. -- ~Ç~ Eff_Deehttp://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverythingRuned 10/20/11 5:27:00 PM #40:	yeah, prostitution is eventually going to become legal. get those prostitutes health insurance, etc. the problem with any large social movement is you have to do things to motivate the ignorant masses, and it becomes hard to get into the finer details in that case. the general overview of the feminist movement isn't that well-thought out, but it at least it got things moving in generally the correct direction. <cite>EverythingRuned posted [p:459677] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> yeah, prostitution is eventually going to become legal. get those prostitutes health insurance, etc.the problem with any large social movement is you have to do things to motivate the ignorant masses, and it becomes hard to get into the finer details in that case. the general overview of the feminist movement isn't that well-thought out, but it at least it got things moving in generally the correct direction. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 10/20/11 5:29:00 PM #41:	From: JeffreyRaze \| #038 Alright, much more abstract version of this then, what if you could save one 2 year old girl, or prevent 10 abortions. irrelevant because I would do both? Put me in a situation where I can save a 2 year old girl and imma do it. Put me in a situation where I can try and persuade someone NOT to have an abortion and I'll try my best. -- ~Ç~ Eff_Dee http://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:459678] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> From: JeffreyRaze \| #038Alright, much more abstract version of this then, what if you could save one 2 year old girl, or prevent 10 abortions.irrelevant because I would do both? Put me in a situation where I can save a 2 year old girl and imma do it.Put me in a situation where I can try and persuade someone NOT to have an abortion and I'll try my best. -- ~Ç~ Eff_Deehttp://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/20/11 5:30:00 PM #42:	You actually can sign a contract where the mother waives child support, I believe. It's just a money payment like with any other contract. But there has to be consideration; it'd have to be more than the man not wanting the child while the woman does. -- 90s games > 00s games <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:459679] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> You actually can sign a contract where the mother waives child support, I believe. It's just a money payment like with any other contract. But there has to be consideration; it'd have to be more than the man not wanting the child while the woman does. -- 90s games > 00s games </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 10/20/11 5:31:00 PM #43:	From: Forceful_Dragon \| #041 irrelevant because I would do both? Put me in a situation where I can save a 2 year old girl and imma do it. Put me in a situation where I can try and persuade someone NOT to have an abortion and I'll try my best. Well I'm being abstract here. But the idea is, how much to you weigh the fertilized embryo compared to a human life? -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below! http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:459680] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> From: Forceful_Dragon \| #041irrelevant because I would do both? Put me in a situation where I can save a 2 year old girl and imma do it.Put me in a situation where I can try and persuade someone NOT to have an abortion and I'll try my best.Well I'm being abstract here. But the idea is, how much to you weigh the fertilized embryo compared to a human life? -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below!http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Greyfeld 10/20/11 5:32:00 PM #44:	For the record, I don't agree with abortion. I think there are enough preventative measures and adoption channels in place that there's just no reason to abort aside from "I don't want to go through the act of giving birth," which I don't really find a very compelling argument. But, I also don't feel it's my job to tell a woman what she can or can't do with her own body. Being a male, I'm not going to pretend I know what it's like to have your own body go through that sort of drastic change. That said, if women have the right to choose, men should as well. Period. -- PSN - Aevio BlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." <cite>Greyfeld posted [p:459681] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> For the record, I don't agree with abortion. I think there are enough preventative measures and adoption channels in place that there's just no reason to abort aside from "I don't want to go through the act of giving birth," which I don't really find a very compelling argument.But, I also don't feel it's my job to tell a woman what she can or can't do with her own body. Being a male, I'm not going to pretend I know what it's like to have your own body go through that sort of drastic change.That said, if women have the right to choose, men should as well. Period. -- PSN - AevioBlackMageJawa - "I'm on a Goomba." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/20/11 5:32:00 PM #45:	we have no evidence that an embryo is a person they certainly fall below my threshold for "is it a person and does it deserve rights." animals are below that threshold for most of us after all, and they almost certainly are more sentient than a collection of cells. Killing animals is a crime. So I'd make abortion a lesser crime than murder. -- 90s games > 00s games <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:459682] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> we have no evidence that an embryo is a personthey certainly fall below my threshold for "is it a person and does it deserve rights." animals are below that threshold for most of us after all, and they almost certainly are more sentient than a collection of cells.Killing animals is a crime. So I'd make abortion a lesser crime than murder. -- 90s games > 00s games </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
azuarc 10/20/11 5:33:00 PM #46:	How the HELL are abortions legal while prostitution is illegal? Clearly because we hate babies. We don't want to make them, and we want to be rid of them if they should inconveniently happen. <cite>azuarc posted [p:459683] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> How the HELL are abortions legal while prostitution is illegal?Clearly because we hate babies. We don't want to make them, and we want to be rid of them if they should inconveniently happen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pokewars 10/20/11 5:33:00 PM #47:	From: OmarsComin \| #036 we have no evidence that an embryo is a person What do you define as a person, exactly? Is a person different from human? Because a human embryo is still a human. -- Okay, Chief, take 'em away. I'm gonna go home and sleep with my wife. ~ Mr. Green Enjoy the silence. <cite>Pokewars posted [p:459684] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> From: OmarsComin \| #036we have no evidence that an embryo is a personWhat do you define as a person, exactly? Is a person different from human? Because a human embryo is still a human. -- Okay, Chief, take 'em away. I'm gonna go home and sleep with my wife. ~ Mr. GreenEnjoy the silence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 10/20/11 5:34:00 PM #48:	Killing animals is a crime. So I'd make abortion a lesser crime than murder. one wonders why the entire meat industry isn't in jail, then <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:459685] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> Killing animals is a crime. So I'd make abortion a lesser crime than murder.one wonders why the entire meat industry isn't in jail, then </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 10/20/11 5:35:00 PM #49:	But there has to be consideration; it'd have to be more than the man not wanting the child while the woman does. I don't see why. In our current situation, all that's required for an abortion is the woman not wanting the child. What the man wants is irrelevant in that case. It seems that if both people have an interest in the fate of the baby, they should both have the same rights regarding it. Either require both parents to sign off on the abortion or let the man opt out of all responsibility. I'd be fine with either. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:459686] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> But there has to be consideration; it'd have to be more than the man not wanting the child while the woman does.I don't see why. In our current situation, all that's required for an abortion is the woman not wanting the child. What the man wants is irrelevant in that case. It seems that if both people have an interest in the fate of the baby, they should both have the same rights regarding it. Either require both parents to sign off on the abortion or let the man opt out of all responsibility. I'd be fine with either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 10/20/11 5:36:00 PM #50:	From: Greyfeld \| #044 For the record, I don't agree with abortion. I think there are enough preventative measures and adoption channels in place that there's just no reason to abort aside from "I don't want to go through the act of giving birth," which I don't really find a very compelling argument. Thank you. Agree with this. But, I also don't feel it's my job to tell a woman what she can or can't do with her own body. Being a male, I'm not going to pretend I know what it's like to have your own body go through that sort of drastic change. In which case they should not have sex. If a guy doesn't want to have to do his part to financially raise a child he shouldn't have sex. If a girl doesn't want to do her part to force a child out of her she shouldn't have sex. Opposite sides of the same coin. You don't need to include men in the right to chose, just realize that they are both choosing to be responsible for something (albeit different things) when they engage in consensual sex. From: JeffreyRaze \| #043 Well I'm being abstract here. But the idea is, how much to you weigh the fertilized embryo compared to a human life? An already born life is carries more weight, obviously. That isn't the same as saying an unborn baby does NOT carry weight. -- ~Ç~ Eff_Dee http://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:459687] in How the HE... [t:60715458]...</cite> <quote> From: Greyfeld \| #044For the record, I don't agree with abortion. I think there are enough preventative measures and adoption channels in place that there's just no reason to abort aside from "I don't want to go through the act of giving birth," which I don't really find a very compelling argument.Thank you. Agree with this.But, I also don't feel it's my job to tell a woman what she can or can't do with her own body. Being a male, I'm not going to pretend I know what it's like to have your own body go through that sort of drastic change.In which case they should not have sex.If a guy doesn't want to have to do his part to financially raise a child he shouldn't have sex.If a girl doesn't want to do her part to force a child out of her she shouldn't have sex.Opposite sides of the same coin. You don't need to include men in the right to chose, just realize that they are both choosing to be responsible for something (albeit different things) when they engage in consensual sex.From: JeffreyRaze \| #043Well I'm being abstract here. But the idea is, how much to you weigh the fertilized embryo compared to a human life?An already born life is carries more weight, obviously.That isn't the same as saying an unborn baby does NOT carry weight. -- ~Ç~ Eff_Deehttp://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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