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10/01/11 11:48:00 PM
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So uh

Apparently you fight Revan as an endgame boss (he somehow lived for hundreds of years I guess), and he drops force pants when killed. And the Exile, who is explicitly called "a hole in the Force," comes back as a force ghost. People are saying that KotOR 2 and Kreia are effectively retconned, but I can't find anything more specific than that, so it may be overreactions about some plot twist that affects KotOR 2's story.

People are also calling its gameplay standard MMO stuff, which doesn't surprise me. Still, people are saying some of the storylines, including the Imperial Agent, are incredibly good, so that's good news.

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10/01/11 11:49:00 PM
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I thought Revan and HK were midlevel bosses. Maybe Revan flees the scene...

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10/01/11 11:50:00 PM
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The game has a jawa with a ****ing rocket launcher

it cant fail

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10/01/11 11:53:00 PM
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Everything I've seen suggests it is riding on the success of the star wars franchise rather than pushing the mmo genre like guild wars 2 and tera online seem to be wanting to do with less a hotkey feel and more action mechanics being incorporated.

Not to say it wont still be a good polished gameplay experience though.

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10/01/11 11:54:00 PM
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Thanks for mentioning the HK-47 boss battle, I forgot about it.

Okay, here's what little info I could find about the KotOR 2 thing. I seriously hope this guy is just trolling.

the biggest grievance being making the Exile a regular Jedi, and retconning Darth Nihlius while giving the ****ing Sith Emperor in TOR the EXACT SAME POWER to eat planets.

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10/02/11 12:08:00 AM
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Bam more information, this time about the Revan novel, so massive spoilers




There are three main characters throughout: Revan, the Exile (now named Meetra Surik,) and a Sith Lord in the Emperor's service named Darth Scourge.

Revan's story is pretty simple. His dreams are bothering so he leaves his newly pregnant wife to go find out what's going on. He starts off his quest by visiting a planet the Mandolorians are on and helping Canderous find the old Mandalore's mask. Kills Canderous' wife in the process. The information he finds there leads him to the Emperor's home world, which has been stripped of life and made completely empty of the Force. Revan upon leaving is shot down by Scourge and his master and then drugged for two years so he can't do anything.

Scourge is also pretty simple. He's brought to the Imperial capital as part of a political machinations between the council right under the Emperor. He goes around doing things for them, though its pretty painful to read as he likes the tactic of bullrushing shooting enemies while hoping his armor protects him instead of blocking with his lightsaber and cutting people apart. Eventually he learns that the person he's under and a number of the people on the Dark Council are talking about betraying the Emperor because he wants to go after the Republic again. But they're all talk and don't do anything. Eventually they capture Revan and keep him captive for two years. Drugged Revan talks and does him mojo on this guy during this time, none that we actually see, and doesn't actually matter much since it doesn't come to much in the end. Except for the last bit, where he says he has a vision of escape.

Then you have the Exile, Meetra Surik. Bastila finds her and sends her after Revan. First thing you should know, is that Karpyshyn takes the game he did not write for and retcons everything interesting out of it. The Exile is a normal Jedi who was cut off from the Force and became a normal Jedi when she got it back. The Sith Lords are barely even mentioned aside from the fact that they hunted down the Jedi. Oh, Nihilus' power doesn't exist, in fact it can't exist. A big deal is made that the Emperor does the same thing and its something nobody has ever experienced before. The planet he stripped of the force to empower himself is very traumatic to Meetra, despite her in the game being the same thing. So, that part of the story of KOTOR 2 is retconned. Along with everything that came with it.

Anyway, she goes and finds this world and eventually ends up on the Imperial Capital. She finds Scourge, gets him to help her rescue Revan since he was told by him that a rescue would be coming and go and face the Emperor. Oh, Meetra is completely overwhelmed by Scourges master Sith through the use of Sith Lighting until Revan comes out and murderizes her to save the damsel. Anyway, they go face the Emperor where the three of them go face to face, until Scourge gets a vision of a different Jedi facing the Emperor. Figuring this must be the red skinned bastard's eventual killer, he stabs Meetra in the back with his lightsaber and the Emperor electrocutes Revan into submission. He locks Revan up in cryo to spend time plumbing his mind for information to help with his takeover of the Republic. Meetra's spirit refuses to join the Force and sticks with Revan to help him resist. Revan puts thoughts of caution into the Emperor's head, which is how he delays the coming invasion. The end.

I wish I was describing satire or fanfiction, but I'm not so lucky.


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10/02/11 12:09:00 AM
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Be right back, preordering

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Ayuyu
10/02/11 7:30:00 AM
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Anagram posted...
So uh

Apparently you fight Revan as an endgame boss (he somehow lived for hundreds of years I guess), and he drops force pants when killed. And the Exile, who is explicitly called "a hole in the Force," comes back as a force ghost. People are saying that KotOR 2 and Kreia are effectively retconned, but I can't find anything more specific than that, so it may be overreactions about some plot twist that affects KotOR 2's story.

People are also calling its gameplay standard MMO stuff, which doesn't surprise me. Still, people are saying some of the storylines, including the Imperial Agent, are incredibly good, so that's good news.



On the revan thing :

http://www.alterswtor.com/archives/2027#more-2027

2 videos of the instance, password : alterswtor

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Ayuyu
10/02/11 7:31:00 AM
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And some impression from Eurogamer : http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/01/mmo-impressions-from-eurogamer-expo-2011-part-2/

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KamikazePotato
10/02/11 8:19:00 AM
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Well. That's pretty terrible.

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10/02/11 9:25:00 AM
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Honestly, honestly, I half-expect TOR to go F2P after a year and a half and Bioware to make a ME MMO.

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Ayuyu
10/02/11 9:27:00 AM
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A year and a half is too generous !

And if it fails I doubt EA will allow them to make a ME MMO.

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Rad Link 5
10/02/11 9:29:00 AM
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From: Anagram | #001
force pants


Day One Purchase

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Wanglicious
10/02/11 9:30:00 AM
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man, i see they're flash fans too.

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ShadowHalo17
10/02/11 9:39:00 AM
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This sounds terrible. I thought they were gonna leave all the past KotOR stuff out and just vaguely mentioned them, keeping things gender and alignment neutral.

Kreia and Nihilus were the best parts about KotOR 2 and now they don't exist?

F*** that.

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10/02/11 9:43:00 AM
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Posting totally relevant gif : external image

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10/02/11 9:45:00 AM
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What exactly are force pants?
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10/02/11 9:46:00 AM
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something in the same category of speed pants.

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10/02/11 9:48:00 AM
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Highwind89 posted...
What exactly are force pants?

Space-armor !

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GranzonEx
10/02/11 9:48:00 AM
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They made this instead of KotOR 3. Why?

And lmao who the hell is going pay to play this trash when D3 and GW2 are FREE?

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10/02/11 9:50:00 AM
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GranzonEx posted...
They made this instead of KotOR 3. Why?

And lmao who the hell is going pay to play this trash when D3 and GW2 are FREE?


Hardcore Star Wars fan, and when you consider that a bunch of them are bitter because of SWG well..

I mean, WoW fans will go and play this game, notice that it's just WoW in space and go back to WoW since there's more content already, unless they're really bored of WoW.

People tired of old MMORPGs will go and play this game, notice it's just like every other MMO out there, leave and wait for GW2 or Tera, games that actually try to be different.

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10/02/11 9:52:00 AM
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GranzonEx posted...
They made this instead of KotOR 3. Why?

Even a moderately successful MMO makes more money than any regular game.

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Ayuyu
10/02/11 9:53:00 AM
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Anagram posted...
GranzonEx posted...
They made this instead of KotOR 3. Why?

Even a moderately successful MMO makes more money than any regular game.


It costs much much more too.

TOR needs to sell at least 2 Millions unit before starting to rack in a profit.

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10/02/11 10:08:00 AM
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Ayuyu posted...
Anagram posted...
GranzonEx posted...
They made this instead of KotOR 3. Why?

Even a moderately successful MMO makes more money than any regular game.

It costs much much more too.

TOR needs to sell at least 2 Millions unit before starting to rack in a profit.


I have no doubt it will make that sale number easily enough.

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Ayuyu
10/02/11 10:12:00 AM
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Matching it isn't enough though, they'll need to sell much more copy than that, and then they'll need to keep the subscriber playing and I can guarantee a bunch won't even get to level 30.

If the Eurogamer Expo article is any indication the beginning sucks, and if your beginning sucks you're in an extremely bad position when it comes to keeping players. The most important part in a mmo are the first few levels, you need to hook up the player right away otherwise he'll get bored quickly. If the beginning is boring, it can only mean the rest is even worse.

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Pirateking2000
10/02/11 10:16:00 AM
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mehh seriously many are pissed but really its not like its a huge deal. Bioware kinda "ignored" KOTOR 2 (wasn't going to be a main focus for them) I think and this is basically "Your Story" probably would have been better if they just left Revan or whatever but I won't judge yet since frankly we still don't know everything (I mean think about it uber lore chars in WoW can be lvl 30 one minute then boss level the next)

so meh who cares as I said JAWA WITH A MOTHER ****ING ROCKET LAUNCHER.

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Ayuyu
10/02/11 10:20:00 AM
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I seriously hope you're not ignoring all the glaring flaws of the game just because of that simple thing !

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Pirateking2000
10/02/11 10:21:00 AM
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haven't really done deep research on game mechanics don't really care yet since it still has a ways before coming out so I can do it all then (yknow when things are buffered out / whatever else they do) etc.

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Ayuyu
10/02/11 10:23:00 AM
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If there's one genre in which you need to do deep research before a purchase it's the MMO genre.

And the game is out in less than three months, it should already be totally playable by now so the mot important features won't change much before release !

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10/02/11 10:23:00 AM
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From: Ayuyu | #027
I seriously hope you're not ignoring all the glaring flaws of the game just because of that simple thing !


Yeah, this.

If you're going to ignore all the glaring flaws of the game over a simple thing, let it be Force Pants.

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Ayuyu
10/02/11 11:34:00 AM
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Rad Link 5 posted...
From: Ayuyu | #027
I seriously hope you're not ignoring all the glaring flaws of the game just because of that simple thing !
Yeah, this.

If you're going to ignore all the glaring flaws of the game over a simple thing, let it be Force Pants.


It's less than a simple thing though ! It's a single piece of equipement that most classes probably can't equip !

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10/02/11 2:24:00 PM
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Review slamming the game.
http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/pc/2011/04/29/star-wars-the-old-republic-preview/1
http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/pc/2011/04/29/star-wars-the-old-republic-preview/2

I want to say that I'm not not looking forward to this game, I'm just really concerned, and I'm going to wait until reviews show up before considering buying it.

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HeroDelTiempo17
10/02/11 2:30:00 PM
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So how much involvement did Bioware actually have in KotOR 2?

Because if it was little to none, I'm not that surprised.

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10/02/11 2:30:00 PM
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some of the stuff is pretty worrysome yeah. still will wait until the last month's reviews to see whether or not i'll get it, but considering i was leaning to definitely getting it that ain't a good sign.

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Ayuyu
10/02/11 4:40:00 PM
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It will be rushed, that's almost a certainty. EA want the game to be out for the holiday season for maximized profit even if it means rushing the game. Because you know, once the game is sold the customer can't do much about it except *****.

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10/02/11 5:41:00 PM
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Ayuyu posted...
It will be rushed, that's almost a certainty. EA want the game to be out for the holiday season for maximized profit even if it means rushing the game. Because you know, once the game is sold the customer can't do much about it except *****.

Hilarious, given that the Christmas rush was what damaged KotOR 2, and now they're retconning what made KotOR 2 interesting anyway.

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10/03/11 12:20:00 AM
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Oh, Bioware.

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10/03/11 12:25:00 AM
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How is KOTOR 2 being retconned?

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10/03/11 12:29:00 AM
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AlecTrevelyan006 posted...
How is KOTOR 2 being retconned?

I'm not sure how much of it is being retconned, but the following appears to be confirmed:
- The Exile (who now has a canon name) was not a "wound in the Force," she was just a normal Jedi who got cut off from the Force and became normal again when she regained her connection, also, apparently she's a force ghost now (I guess that makes sense now that she's not a wound in the Force but still)
- Darth Nihilus never ate planets using the Force, but the new Sith Emperor has the exact same ability
- Revan (who had a wife that was not Bastila) apparently had no idea what he was doing when he went to fight the True Sith and almost immediately got his ass kicked and imprisoned for three hundred years so that he could become a boss that drops force pants (I still can't get over that)

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Xiahou Shake
10/03/11 12:36:00 AM
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This game's awesomeness is inversely proportional to how far away it is.
Seriously, when it was announced I was drooling liquid hype, but now that we're so close I can't see it as anything more than a subject to joke about with my pals. GW2 turning out to be so (seemingly) remarkable makes it even more meaningless.

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10/03/11 12:55:00 AM
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I am really hyped for TOR, but I really hate that they are raping my KOTOR memories.

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10/03/11 1:02:00 AM
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From: smitelf | #041
I am really hyped for TOR, but I really hate that they are raping my KOTOR memories.


I'm with you on the second part. This game wrecks any Revan plot for KotOR3 (let me have my dreams), so that alone is reason enough to hate it. Regardless, that lingering 2% chance OF a KotOR3 will finally be dead after this game bombs.

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10/03/11 1:17:00 AM
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Well, Diablo 3 and Guild Wars 2 are both pretty far away (at least 1, probably closer to 2 years)... I gotta have something to hold me over in the meantime.

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10/03/11 1:27:00 AM
#44:


I don't care if Revan's been reduced to a Force Pants-dropping endgame boss, I'm still fangirly over the fact that he's gonna show up. He's definitely my favorite protagonist of games that have somewhat open-ended main characters. >_>

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10/03/11 1:51:00 AM
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Anagram posted...
AlecTrevelyan006 posted...
How is KOTOR 2 being retconned?

I'm not sure how much of it is being retconned, but the following appears to be confirmed:
- The Exile (who now has a canon name) was not a "wound in the Force," she was just a normal Jedi who got cut off from the Force and became normal again when she regained her connection, also, apparently she's a force ghost now (I guess that makes sense now that she's not a wound in the Force but still)
- Darth Nihilus never ate planets using the Force, but the new Sith Emperor has the exact same ability
- Revan (who had a wife that was not Bastila) apparently had no idea what he was doing when he went to fight the True Sith and almost immediately got his ass kicked and imprisoned for three hundred years so that he could become a boss that drops force pants (I still can't get over that)


None of this stuff bothers me in the slightest so hey, I'm cool with this!

In fact, thank you for retconning Darth Nihilus out of the series! Sucky Sith is sucky.

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10/03/11 2:11:00 AM
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So, everyone here who's playing the game, what alignment and class are yall gonna be? I'm so going Sith Marauder/Juggernaut and Sith Sorcerer. Aww yeah, lightsaber offense and lightning spam >_>

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Pirateking2000
10/03/11 5:42:00 AM
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So, everyone here who's playing the game, what alignment and class are yall gonna be? I'm so going Sith Marauder/Juggernaut and Sith Sorcerer. Aww yeah, lightsaber offense and lightning spam >_>


Thinking of going Light Side (or neutral / good.) Sith Warrior for main. Besides Sith Warrior seems to get one of the cooler sets of companions anyway (though not the UBER JAWA)

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10/03/11 5:59:00 AM
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Probably Republic, either Jedi Knight or Smuggler most likely. Maybe Consular.

Haven't really decided yet, will probably have to play all 3 for a bit to decide.

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Ayuyu
10/03/11 6:05:00 AM
#49:


AsurasKordoth posted...
Well, Diablo 3 and Guild Wars 2 are both pretty far away (at least 1, probably closer to 2 years)... I gotta have something to hold me over in the meantime.

GW2 is out next year, they'll have closed beta this year IIRC.

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10/03/11 9:00:00 AM
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Ayuyu posted...
AsurasKordoth posted...
Well, Diablo 3 and Guild Wars 2 are both pretty far away (at least 1, probably closer to 2 years)... I gotta have something to hold me over in the meantime.

GW2 is out next year, they'll have closed beta this year IIRC.


We wish. Holiday 2012 would definitely be the earliest you can expect it but who knows since beta hasn't even started yet...

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