Board 8 > "Family" airline Southwest Airlines kicks a lesbian couple out for kissing

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Shoenin_Kakashi 09/27/11 3:44:00 PM #101:	*MajinZidane posted...* I have trouble believing that these hypothetical passengers complaining about attractive famous lesbians making out exist. yeah that -- Nice catch BlAcK TuRtLe. But too bad your ass got SAAAAAAAAAAACKED.tackles <cite>Shoenin_Kakashi posted [p:392460] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> MajinZidane posted...I have trouble believing that these hypothetical passengers complaining about attractive famous lesbians making out exist.yeah that -- Nice catch BlAcK TuRtLe.But too bad your ass got SAAAAAAAAAAACKED.tackles </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CrimsonOcean 09/27/11 3:45:00 PM #102:	*BoshStrikesBack posted...* But yeah. Additional info needed before I decide to never ride Southwest again. And really? You'd stop flying Southwest because of a single instance? I've never understood this sentiment (especially in a case like this, where the evidence is at best inconclusive). Yep. -- http://img.imgcake.com/crimjpgpe.jpg Mo' buildings mo' problems ocean kinda grew on me like a flesh eating ...fungus. -BIGPUN9999 <cite>CrimsonOcean posted [p:392461] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> BoshStrikesBack posted...But yeah. Additional info needed before I decide to never ride Southwest again.And really? You'd stop flying Southwest because of a single instance? I've never understood this sentiment (especially in a case like this, where the evidence is at best inconclusive).Yep. -- http://img.imgcake.com/crimjpgpe.jpg Mo' buildings mo' problemsocean kinda grew on me like a flesh eating ...fungus. -BIGPUN9999 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 09/27/11 3:46:00 PM #103:	*BoshStrikesBack posted...* ..... He means "in public places." Which is still kinda wrong, but at least more understandable! Yes of course. What you do alone is your business -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:392462] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> BoshStrikesBack posted........He means "in public places." Which is still kinda wrong, but at least more understandable!Yes of course. What you do alone is your business -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark Young Link 09/27/11 3:48:00 PM #104:	*masterplum posted...* I'm with Southwest here, if an airline company tells you you need to stop doing something, then freaking stop it. There is no reason to offend people. If they hadn't of escalated the situation then there would have been no problem. I don't care if they pecked, made out, had sex whatever. You have the obligation as a human being to not make other people uncomfortable, even if you don't think you are doing anything wrong. You are aware how this can be taken the wrong way, correct? "Don't cause trouble" is a reasonable expectation. But when it comes to "don't offend people", most of us offends someone just for existing. We don't know exactly how the situation escalated. For all we know, the person who told them to stop could have been very rude/homophobic about it. Likewise it could have been another case of a minority making a mountain out of an anthill. It can't be black or white, otherwise it's kind of like middle/high school. You're wrong if you're different, and the mob is always right. No exceptions. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Nominate Mario/Sonic for the Greatest Game Rivalry contest! <cite>Dark Young Link posted [p:392463] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> masterplum posted...I'm with Southwest here, if an airline company tells you you need to stop doing something, then freaking stop it. There is no reason to offend people. If they hadn't of escalated the situation then there would have been no problem.I don't care if they pecked, made out, had sex whatever. You have the obligation as a human being to not make other people uncomfortable, even if you don't think you are doing anything wrong.You are aware how this can be taken the wrong way, correct?"Don't cause trouble" is a reasonable expectation. But when it comes to "don't offend people", most of us offends someone just for existing. We don't know exactly how the situation escalated. For all we know, the person who told them to stop could have been very rude/homophobic about it. Likewise it could have been another case of a minority making a mountain out of an anthill. It can't be black or white, otherwise it's kind of like middle/high school.You're wrong if you're different, and the mob is always right. No exceptions. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE]Nominate Mario/Sonic for the Greatest Game Rivalry contest! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer 09/27/11 3:48:00 PM #105:	Even still, I don't agree. So many things could make a person uncomfortable. That doesn't mean people have an "obligation as human beings" to alter their behavior so other people find them more comfortable to be around. People have gotten extremely comfortable being in the same ROOM as me just because they knew I was gay, when I wasn't even doing anything. That is literally a situation I've experienced multiple times. Do I have a moral obligation to leave or force myself to stop being gay in order to make those people more comfortable? -- http://img.imgcake.com/MerMerYesMer/shediedgifne.gif Mer <cite>Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer posted [p:392464] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> Even still, I don't agree. So many things could make a person uncomfortable. That doesn't mean people have an "obligation as human beings" to alter their behavior so other people find them more comfortable to be around. People have gotten extremely comfortable being in the same ROOM as me just because they knew I was gay, when I wasn't even doing anything. That is literally a situation I've experienced multiple times. Do I have a moral obligation to leave or force myself to stop being gay in order to make those people more comfortable? -- http://img.imgcake.com/MerMerYesMer/shediedgifne.gifMer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 09/27/11 3:51:00 PM #106:	I mean, suppose they were holding hand. Is this a problem? No of course not, but if someone hypotheticaly was bothered enough to ask them to stop, then if they want to be courteous people would respect others wishes and stop. Not only is the situation an escalation of that, the couple got angry. If it was a peck, then its a double wrong on the couple and the offended. Southwest did nothing. -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:392465] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> I mean, suppose they were holding hand.Is this a problem? No of course not, but if someone hypotheticaly was bothered enough to ask them to stop, then if they want to be courteous people would respect others wishes and stop. Not only is the situation an escalation of that, the couple got angry.If it was a peck, then its a double wrong on the couple and the offended. Southwest did nothing. -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 09/27/11 3:52:00 PM #107:	Anything acceptable by a straight couple should be acceptable of a gay couple. Period. I haven't bothered to read anything but if it was like heavy making out then yeah okay that's fair. If it was a peck, holding hands, or something like that then that is flat out wrong. Depends on what is up tbh. -- Ngirl is a toll bridge - Wigs Gotta pay if you want to come inside! - Ngirl <cite>Achromatic posted [p:392466] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> Anything acceptable by a straight couple should be acceptable of a gay couple. Period.I haven't bothered to read anything but if it was like heavy making out then yeah okay that's fair.If it was a peck, holding hands, or something like that then that is flat out wrong.Depends on what is up tbh. -- Ngirl is a toll bridge - WigsGotta pay if you want to come inside! - Ngirl </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark Young Link 09/27/11 3:55:00 PM #108:	Being a respectful person doesn't mean you're submissive to everyone. Quite the opposite in fact. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Nominate Mario/Sonic for the Greatest Game Rivalry contest! <cite>Dark Young Link posted [p:392467] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> Being a respectful person doesn't mean you're submissive to everyone. Quite the opposite in fact. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE]Nominate Mario/Sonic for the Greatest Game Rivalry contest! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer 09/27/11 3:55:00 PM #109:	From: masterplum \| #106 Is this a problem? No of course not, but if someone hypotheticaly was bothered enough to ask them to stop, then if they want to be courteous people would respect others wishes and stop. Not only is the situation an escalation of that, the couple got angry. No. No, absolutely not. That's ridiculous. I'm not going to stop holding **ing hands with my boyfriend because some homophobic douche can't stand seeing it. That's not being courteous, that's being a doormat. -- http://img.imgcake.com/MerMerYesMer/lovegamejpgut.jpg Mer <cite>Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer posted [p:392468] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> From: masterplum \| #106Is this a problem? No of course not, but if someone hypotheticaly was bothered enough to ask them to stop, then if they want to be courteous people would respect others wishes and stop. Not only is the situation an escalation of that, the couple got angry.No.No, absolutely not. That's ridiculous.I'm not going to stop holding **ing hands with my boyfriend because some homophobic douche can't stand seeing it. That's not being courteous, that's being a doormat. -- http://img.imgcake.com/MerMerYesMer/lovegamejpgut.jpgMer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BoshStrikesBack 09/27/11 3:58:00 PM #110:	I'm not going to stop holding **ing hands with my boyfriend because some homophobic douche can't stand seeing it. That's not being courteous, that's being a doormat. I agree. And I'm sure Southwest, the GLAAD-approved airline, also agrees. Which is why I feel that unless the plane happened to be full of bigots that day, the complaining and eventual kicking-off must have had some legitimate impetus. -- Houston Texans: 2-1 Drinks glass, throws out chocolate milk. <cite>BoshStrikesBack posted [p:392469] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> I'm not going to stop holding ****ing hands with my boyfriend because some homophobic douche can't stand seeing it. That's not being courteous, that's being a doormat.I agree. And I'm sure Southwest, the GLAAD-approved airline, also agrees. Which is why I feel that unless the plane happened to be full of bigots that day, the complaining and eventual kicking-off must have had some legitimate impetus. -- Houston Texans: 2-1Drinks glass, throws out chocolate milk. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 09/27/11 3:59:00 PM #111:	The same concept applies completely to straight people as well. Unfortunately straight people are more socially accepted -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:392470] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> The same concept applies completely to straight people as well. Unfortunately straight people are more socially accepted -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuorGenoveffa 09/27/11 4:00:00 PM #112:	*Achromatic posted...* Anything acceptable by a straight couple should be acceptable of a gay couple. Period. I haven't bothered to read anything but if it was like heavy making out then yeah okay that's fair. If it was a peck, holding hands, or something like that then that is flat out wrong. Depends on what is up tbh. Agree with this. But even then, if the airline just made a simple, polite statement about what was happening (assuming the couple was just pecking), I wouldn't really blame them, as much as the people who felt "uncomfortable" around the couple. Then again, it's hard to judge without being sure of the facts. -- What you want to nominate for the next contest: Bayonetta/Jeanne, Charizard/Blastoise, Ike/Black Knight, Kitana/Mileena. <cite>SuorGenoveffa posted [p:392471] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> Achromatic posted...Anything acceptable by a straight couple should be acceptable of a gay couple. Period.I haven't bothered to read anything but if it was like heavy making out then yeah okay that's fair.If it was a peck, holding hands, or something like that then that is flat out wrong.Depends on what is up tbh.Agree with this.But even then, if the airline just made a simple, polite statement about what was happening (assuming the couple was just pecking), I wouldn't really blame them, as much as the people who felt "uncomfortable" around the couple.Then again, it's hard to judge without being sure of the facts. -- What you want to nominate for the next contest: Bayonetta/Jeanne, Charizard/Blastoise, Ike/Black Knight, Kitana/Mileena. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer 09/27/11 4:00:00 PM #113:	From: masterplum \| #111 The same concept applies completely to straight people as well. Unfortunately straight people are more socially accepted so you think if I see a straight couple holding hands in the park, I can walk up to them and be like "hey, stop holding hands, you're making me uncomfortable" and they should be "courteous" by following my orders? -- http://img.imgcake.com/MerMerYesMer/bunnystefanijpgqa.jpg Mer <cite>Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer posted [p:392472] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> From: masterplum \| #111The same concept applies completely to straight people as well. Unfortunately straight people are more socially acceptedso you think if I see a straight couple holding hands in the park, I can walk up to them and be like "hey, stop holding hands, you're making me uncomfortable" and they should be "courteous" by following my orders? -- http://img.imgcake.com/MerMerYesMer/bunnystefanijpgqa.jpgMer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the icon ownz all 09/27/11 4:01:00 PM #114:	i don't remember a topic this large when kevin smith was kicked off southwest for being too fat. where's the love for the fatties? -- Love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world. <cite>the icon ownz all posted [p:392473] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> i don't remember a topic this large when kevin smith was kicked off southwest for being too fat. where's the love for the fatties? -- Love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shoenin_Kakashi 09/27/11 4:03:00 PM #115:	I think we were all laughing at that methinks -- Nice catch BlAcK TuRtLe. But too bad your ass got SAAAAAAAAAAACKED.tackles <cite>Shoenin_Kakashi posted [p:392474] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> I think we were all laughing at that methinks -- Nice catch BlAcK TuRtLe.But too bad your ass got SAAAAAAAAAAACKED.tackles </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 09/27/11 4:03:00 PM #116:	*Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer posted...* From: masterplum \| #111 The same concept applies completely to straight people as well. Unfortunately straight people are more socially accepted so you think if I see a straight couple holding hands in the park, I can walk up to them and be like "hey, stop holding hands, you're making me uncomfortable" and they should be "courteous" by following my orders? Not in a park, because you are free to go as you please, but in an airplane? Yes. Absolutely -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:392475] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer posted...From: masterplum \| #111The same concept applies completely to straight people as well. Unfortunately straight people are more socially acceptedso you think if I see a straight couple holding hands in the park, I can walk up to them and be like "hey, stop holding hands, you're making me uncomfortable" and they should be "courteous" by following my orders?Not in a park, because you are free to go as you please, but in an airplane? Yes. Absolutely -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark Young Link 09/27/11 4:03:00 PM #117:	*the icon ownz all posted...* i don't remember a topic this large when kevin smith was kicked off southwest for being too fat. where's the love for the fatties? To be fair, this situation is much more queer! -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Nominate Mario/Sonic for the Greatest Game Rivalry contest! <cite>Dark Young Link posted [p:392476] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> the icon ownz all posted...i don't remember a topic this large when kevin smith was kicked off southwest for being too fat. where's the love for the fatties?To be fair, this situation is much more queer! -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE]Nominate Mario/Sonic for the Greatest Game Rivalry contest! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer 09/27/11 4:03:00 PM #118:	From: masterplum \| #116 Not in a park, because you are free to go as you please, but in an airplane? Yes. Absolutely that's a ridiculous mentality tbqh. -- http://i.imgur.com/26sht.gif Mer <cite>Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer posted [p:392477] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> From: masterplum \| #116Not in a park, because you are free to go as you please, but in an airplane? Yes. Absolutelythat's a ridiculous mentality tbqh. -- http://i.imgur.com/26sht.gifMer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 09/27/11 4:05:00 PM #119:	*Biolizard28 posted...* lmfao Is this what they teach you is excessive at church camp, FD? Umm? The only thing I said was that if it was in fact "excessive" that no one should argue in their favor. I'm not saying whether or not it was excessive, because obviously I can't do that, I'm just saying that your 'excessive' logic in that single post was inherently flawed. -- ~C~ Eff_Dee http://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:392478] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> Biolizard28 posted...lmfaoIs this what they teach you is excessive at church camp, FD?Umm?The only thing I said was that if it was in fact "excessive" that no one should argue in their favor.I'm not saying whether or not it was excessive, because obviously I can't do that, I'm just saying that your 'excessive' logic in that single post was inherently flawed. -- ~C~ Eff_Deehttp://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 09/27/11 4:06:00 PM #120:	From: Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer \| #118 that's a ridiculous mentality tbqh. Its a mentality of respecting other people's wishes, and letting things slide because there are things that are much more important. -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:392479] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> From: Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer \| #118that's a ridiculous mentality tbqh.Its a mentality of respecting other people's wishes, and letting things slide because there are things that are much more important. -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark Young Link 09/27/11 4:10:00 PM #121:	*masterplum posted...* Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer posted... From: masterplum \| #111 The same concept applies completely to straight people as well. Unfortunately straight people are more socially accepted so you think if I see a straight couple holding hands in the park, I can walk up to them and be like "hey, stop holding hands, you're making me uncomfortable" and they should be "courteous" by following my orders? Not in a park, because you are free to go as you please, but in an airplane? Yes. Absolutely Counter argument: They don't have to look at the couple holding hands. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Nominate Mario/Sonic for the Greatest Game Rivalry contest! <cite>Dark Young Link posted [p:392480] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> masterplum posted...Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer posted...From: masterplum \| #111The same concept applies completely to straight people as well. Unfortunately straight people are more socially acceptedso you think if I see a straight couple holding hands in the park, I can walk up to them and be like "hey, stop holding hands, you're making me uncomfortable" and they should be "courteous" by following my orders?Not in a park, because you are free to go as you please, but in an airplane? Yes. AbsolutelyCounter argument: They don't have to look at the couple holding hands. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE]Nominate Mario/Sonic for the Greatest Game Rivalry contest! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/27/11 4:12:00 PM #122:	Man, whether or not Southwest is in the right, personally I never b**** on airplanes about other passengers. Hell, the person sitting next to me had a cat in his carry-on and I'm allergic to certain breeds (luckily it was hairless). And that was a 4 hour flight. I guess I have the ability to tolerate people on a plane, mainly because planes already suck and I'm not going to try and make it worse for other people. -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:392481] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> Man, whether or not Southwest is in the right, personally I never b**** on airplanes about other passengers. Hell, the person sitting next to me had a cat in his carry-on and I'm allergic to certain breeds (luckily it was hairless). And that was a 4 hour flight.I guess I have the ability to tolerate people on a plane, mainly because planes already suck and I'm not going to try and make it worse for other people. -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metroid composite 09/27/11 4:13:00 PM #123:	*Revenus posted...* Were you running around telling people you were gay? No. I didn't want to talk to the man. He talked to me, and started asking me at a public bus stop to disrobe. I didn't tell him I was gay, but I suppose he guessed based on my appearance. Were you having coitus in store? No. I was on my own and fully clothed in modest attire. -- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision <cite>metroid composite posted [p:392482] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> Revenus posted...Were you running around telling people you were gay?No. I didn't want to talk to the man. He talked to me, and started asking me at a public bus stop to disrobe. I didn't tell him I was gay, but I suppose he guessed based on my appearance.Were you having coitus in store?No. I was on my own and fully clothed in modest attire. -- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 09/27/11 4:14:00 PM #124:	From: Dark Young Link \| #121 Counter argument: They don't have to look at the couple holding hands. I never said that the person asking them to do whatever was in the right. You are 100% correct in that statement. Its the reaction to someone who is offended which I am talking about. Some people in this world are morons, but that does not give you the excuse to treat them poorly as the couple in this article obviously did. -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:392483] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> From: Dark Young Link \| #121Counter argument: They don't have to look at the couple holding hands.I never said that the person asking them to do whatever was in the right. You are 100% correct in that statement. Its the reaction to someone who is offended which I am talking about.Some people in this world are morons, but that does not give you the excuse to treat them poorly as the couple in this article obviously did. -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/27/11 4:15:00 PM #125:	No. I didn't want to talk to the man. He talked to me, and started asking me at a public bus stop to disrobe. I didn't tell him I was gay, but I suppose he guessed based on my appearance. As someone who's walked near or around a lot of homeless (thanks Flint and Detroit), this is not a unique experience to gay people. In Toronto, I had a homeless guy throw a glass bottle at me because I wouldn't take off my shirt! -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:392484] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> No. I didn't want to talk to the man. He talked to me, and started asking me at a public bus stop to disrobe. I didn't tell him I was gay, but I suppose he guessed based on my appearance.As someone who's walked near or around a lot of homeless (thanks Flint and Detroit), this is not a unique experience to gay people. In Toronto, I had a homeless guy throw a glass bottle at me because I wouldn't take off my shirt! -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SlymDayspring 09/27/11 4:16:00 PM #126:	I didn't read this whole topic so sorry if anyone already said this but Even if they were being "excessive" in their PDA, and even if they perhaps overreacted to being asked to stop...of course they did. If a straight couple were ever asked to stop, they would probably just be like "oh, someone must not want their kids to see this" or something. If a gay couple is asked to stop, they are going to automatically assume that it is because they are gay, not because they are always on some gay crusade, but because they have probably dealt with tons of situations where they have been discriminated against in their life and never feel like they can do something as basic as show affection for their partner without, at the very LEAST, disapproving glances. There isn't enough information to determine if they made a big enough scene to warrant being kicked off the plane, so to side with the airline based on your assumptions of how things went down is stupid. The reason to by default be suspicious and maybe be on the gay couples side is for the exact reasoning smartmuffing specifies: the airline is out to please the majority, and doesn't give a ** about the people they are getting complaints about, they care about the one's doing the complaining. the majority is what matters to companies, so it wouldn't be shocking if the minority was being treated unfairly. -- I'm "kind of a big deal". http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png <cite>SlymDayspring posted [p:392485] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> I didn't read this whole topic so sorry if anyone already said this butEven if they were being "excessive" in their PDA, and even if they perhaps overreacted to being asked to stop...of course they did. If a straight couple were ever asked to stop, they would probably just be like "oh, someone must not want their kids to see this" or something. If a gay couple is asked to stop, they are going to automatically assume that it is because they are gay, not because they are always on some gay crusade, but because they have probably dealt with tons of situations where they have been discriminated against in their life and never feel like they can do something as basic as show affection for their partner without, at the very LEAST, disapproving glances. There isn't enough information to determine if they made a big enough scene to warrant being kicked off the plane, so to side with the airline based on your assumptions of how things went down is stupid. The reason to by default be suspicious and maybe be on the gay couples side is for the exact reasoning smartmuffing specifies: the airline is out to please the majority, and doesn't give a ** about the people they are getting complaints about, they care about the one's doing the complaining. the majority is what matters to companies, so it wouldn't be shocking if the minority was being treated unfairly. -- I'm "kind of a big deal".http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 09/27/11 4:18:00 PM #127:	From: SlymDayspring \| #126 so to side with the airline based on your assumptions of how things went down is stupid. Counter point: To side with the Couple based on your assumptions of how things went down is also stupid. Though, I agree with you that the Airplane could have also overreacted. I agree with you that we certainly do not know enough to pass judgement -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:392486] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> From: SlymDayspring \| #126so to side with the airline based on your assumptions of how things went down is stupid.Counter point: To side with the Couple based on your assumptions of how things went down is also stupid. Though, I agree with you that the Airplane could have also overreacted. I agree with you that we certainly do not know enough to pass judgement -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VitalVI 09/27/11 4:20:00 PM #128:	Must've been a republican plane. -- http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/mLeonm/ocelotpartycd1.gif <cite>VitalVI posted [p:392487] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> Must've been a republican plane. -- http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/mLeonm/ocelotpartycd1.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metroid composite 09/27/11 4:20:00 PM #129:	*BoshStrikesBack posted...* Sorry metroid, but if you're anything like your online persona, then I'd have a hard time seeing you as a typical gay. You've got pretty excellent judgment, which the people in this article seemed to utterly lack. Well, thank you for your high praise of my judgement, but it's more that I avoid confrontation. When I broke my ankle on a bad university staircase and everyone (including my professors and TAs) said I should sue...I didn't. That just sounded like a timesink that could be spent playing videogames instead.... -- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision <cite>metroid composite posted [p:392488] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> BoshStrikesBack posted...Sorry metroid, but if you're anything like your online persona, then I'd have a hard time seeing you as a typical gay. You've got pretty excellent judgment, which the people in this article seemed to utterly lack.Well, thank you for your high praise of my judgement, but it's more that I avoid confrontation. When I broke my ankle on a bad university staircase and everyone (including my professors and TAs) said I should sue...I didn't. That just sounded like a timesink that could be spent playing videogames instead.... -- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/27/11 4:20:00 PM #130:	I think we should have a new rule where we can kick off any people that annoy us. Imagine how many less kids there would be! -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:392489] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> I think we should have a new rule where we can kick off any people that annoy us.Imagine how many less kids there would be! -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SlymDayspring 09/27/11 4:20:00 PM #131:	i literally provided reasons why it makes more sense to side with the couple by default unless there is more information that says otherwise -- I'm "kind of a big deal". http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png <cite>SlymDayspring posted [p:392490] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> i literally provided reasons why it makes more sense to side with the couple by default unless there is more information that says otherwise -- I'm "kind of a big deal".http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/27/11 4:20:00 PM #132:	I don't blame the airline for their actions. I don't blame the lesbian couple for standing up for themselves. The ones who are to blame are the people who complained. If they had minded their own f*ing business, the crew would not have placed between a rock and a hard place. -- ya right you are case the sunglasses have 3d so i can see right threw their clothes -ertyu (about wearing sunglasses to stare at boobs without girls noticing) <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:392491] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> I don't blame the airline for their actions. I don't blame the lesbian couple for standing up for themselves.The ones who are to blame are the people who complained. If they had minded their own f*ing business, the crew would not have placed between a rock and a hard place. -- ya right you are case the sunglasses have 3d so i can see right threw their clothes -ertyu(about wearing sunglasses to stare at boobs without girls noticing) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 09/27/11 4:21:00 PM #133:	From: SlymDayspring \| #131 i literally provided reasons why it makes more sense to side with the couple by default unless there is more information that says otherwise I misunderstood your post then -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:392492] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> From: SlymDayspring \| #131i literally provided reasons why it makes more sense to side with the couple by default unless there is more information that says otherwiseI misunderstood your post then -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metroid composite 09/27/11 4:26:00 PM #134:	*BoshStrikesBack posted...* A couple people in my immediate family are gay, so I've been around it for my entire life. I'm not trying to be offensive, but rather realistic; I know how discriminated groups operate. They're far too sensitive and bad at knowing when to pick their battles. Plenty of family dinners have been ruined by someone talking something the wrong way. It's really no different than feminism gone wrong. Family is kind-of special. I've definitely gotten upset and yelled at my family every once in a while when they referenced me with language that I consider highly offensive. You can't change your family, and I've always liked spending time with my family, so it's worth-it to have the argument so that you can get the relationship into a healthier place (the same way a married couple shouldn't keep feelings bottled up if something really, really upsets them--that's not the path to a healthy relationship). -- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision <cite>metroid composite posted [p:392493] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> BoshStrikesBack posted...A couple people in my immediate family are gay, so I've been around it for my entire life. I'm not trying to be offensive, but rather realistic; I know how discriminated groups operate. They're far too sensitive and bad at knowing when to pick their battles. Plenty of family dinners have been ruined by someone talking something the wrong way. It's really no different than feminism gone wrong.Family is kind-of special. I've definitely gotten upset and yelled at my family every once in a while when they referenced me with language that I consider highly offensive. You can't change your family, and I've always liked spending time with my family, so it's worth-it to have the argument so that you can get the relationship into a healthier place (the same way a married couple shouldn't keep feelings bottled up if something really, really upsets them--that's not the path to a healthy relationship). -- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CrimsonOcean 09/27/11 4:28:00 PM #135:	http://www.afterellen.com/people/leisha-hailey-and-camila-grey-release-a-statement-on-their-southwest-airlines-debacle I dunno if this has been posted or not, but there is a statement from the couple about what happened. According to them they were only on the airline for about 5 minutes, and were in no way vulgar in their actions. -- http://img.imgcake.com/crimjpgpe.jpg Mo' buildings mo' problems ocean kinda grew on me like a flesh eating ...fungus. -BIGPUN9999 <cite>CrimsonOcean posted [p:392494] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> http://www.afterellen.com/people/leisha-hailey-and-camila-grey-release-a-statement-on-their-southwest-airlines-debacleI dunno if this has been posted or not, but there is a statement from the couple about what happened. According to them they were only on the airline for about 5 minutes, and were in no way vulgar in their actions. -- http://img.imgcake.com/crimjpgpe.jpg Mo' buildings mo' problemsocean kinda grew on me like a flesh eating ...fungus. -BIGPUN9999 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VitalVI 09/27/11 4:30:00 PM #136:	Since I'm lesbain, I'm not allowed on planes in America? -- We all know Fallout 3 is gonna crush Oblivion sending Halo straight through to the next round. <cite>VitalVI posted [p:392495] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> Since I'm lesbain, I'm not allowed on planes in America? -- We all know Fallout 3 is gonna crush Oblivion sending Halo straight through to the next round. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer 09/27/11 4:31:00 PM #137:	From: CrimsonOcean \| #135 http://www.afterellen.com/people/leisha-hailey-and-camila-grey-release-a-statement-on-their-southwest-airlines-debacle I dunno if this has been posted or not, but there is a statement from the couple about what happened. According to them they were only on the airline for about 5 minutes, and were in no way vulgar in their actions. the fact that you read AfterEllen makes me so happy Crim -- http://img.imgcake.com/MerMerYesMer/gagahatersgifet.gif Mer <cite>Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer posted [p:392496] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> From: CrimsonOcean \| #135http://www.afterellen.com/people/leisha-hailey-and-camila-grey-release-a-statement-on-their-southwest-airlines-debacleI dunno if this has been posted or not, but there is a statement from the couple about what happened. According to them they were only on the airline for about 5 minutes, and were in no way vulgar in their actions.the fact that you read AfterEllen makes me so happy Crim -- http://img.imgcake.com/MerMerYesMer/gagahatersgifet.gifMer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Psycho_Kenshin 09/27/11 4:31:00 PM #138:	I was gonna mention the Kevin Smith thing, I see it already was. He's been talking about how terrible Southwest is for a while and doesn't fly with them anymore. Long story short, they're terrible, and it's terrible that they kicked this couple off, open and shut case. -- One Piece: Pirates with style! -= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- <cite>Psycho_Kenshin posted [p:392497] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> I was gonna mention the Kevin Smith thing, I see it already was. He's been talking about how terrible Southwest is for a while and doesn't fly with them anymore.Long story short, they're terrible, and it's terrible that they kicked this couple off, open and shut case. -- One Piece: Pirates with style!-= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CrimsonOcean 09/27/11 4:33:00 PM #139:	Lol, I try Mer :] -- http://img.imgcake.com/crimjpgpe.jpg Mo' buildings mo' problems ocean kinda grew on me like a flesh eating ...fungus. -BIGPUN9999 <cite>CrimsonOcean posted [p:392498] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> Lol, I try Mer :] -- http://img.imgcake.com/crimjpgpe.jpg Mo' buildings mo' problemsocean kinda grew on me like a flesh eating ...fungus. -BIGPUN9999 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Emporer_Kazbar 09/27/11 4:34:00 PM #140:	[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster] <cite>Emporer_Kazbar posted [p:392499] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> [This message was deleted at the request of the original poster] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 09/27/11 4:39:00 PM #141:	From: Psycho_Kenshin \| #138 Long story short, they're terrible, and it's terrible that they kicked this couple off, open and shut case This is the biggest problem I have with these topics, and all topics that are remotely political. This is the perfect example of something that's NOT an open and shut case. Frick. We don't know enough. The reason there are political arguments is because people disagree with what path is the best one, but the reason that there are arguments to begin with is because there is not a correct answer. You cant say that wire tapping is inherently good or bad because some people view freedom as more important then security and others don't. There isn't a right answer. Some people view the need to help those that are poor is worth the corruption of bureaucracy that welfare causes and some don't. Why can't you guys understand that you don't know enough to pass judgement in these topics? -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:392500] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> From: Psycho_Kenshin \| #138Long story short, they're terrible, and it's terrible that they kicked this couple off, open and shut caseThis is the biggest problem I have with these topics, and all topics that are remotely political. This is the perfect example of something that's NOT an open and shut case. Frick. We don't know enough. The reason there are political arguments is because people disagree with what path is the best one, but the reason that there are arguments to begin with is because there is not a correct answer. You cant say that wire tapping is inherently good or bad because some people view freedom as more important then security and others don't. There isn't a right answer. Some people view the need to help those that are poor is worth the corruption of bureaucracy that welfare causes and some don't. Why can't you guys understand that you don't know enough to pass judgement in these topics? -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metroid composite 09/27/11 4:42:00 PM #142:	*Dark Young Link posted...* Counter argument: They don't have to look at the couple holding hands. Or the couple kissing, for that matter. And herein lies what particularly bothers me about this incident. Everyone's been on a plane sitting next to a screaming baby. Everyone's been on a plane where there was a kid behind you who was constantly kicking your seat. Hell, I've been that kid who was constantly kicking the seat in front of me. Everyone's been on a plane sitting next to someone who obviously smokes too much or has been wearing the same clothes for 36 hours because they've been flying from shanghai and are starting to smell really bad. Everyone's been trapped in a window seat beside the person who falls asleep and complains when you wake them up to go to the washroom. Kissing is like...so ridiculously tame by airline passenger standards. If every other seat on the airplane was filled with immaculately groomed movie-stars making out, then I'd consider myself a very lucky passenger. -- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision <cite>metroid composite posted [p:392501] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> Dark Young Link posted...Counter argument: They don't have to look at the couple holding hands.Or the couple kissing, for that matter.And herein lies what particularly bothers me about this incident. Everyone's been on a plane sitting next to a screaming baby. Everyone's been on a plane where there was a kid behind you who was constantly kicking your seat. Hell, I've been that kid who was constantly kicking the seat in front of me. Everyone's been on a plane sitting next to someone who obviously smokes too much or has been wearing the same clothes for 36 hours because they've been flying from shanghai and are starting to smell really bad. Everyone's been trapped in a window seat beside the person who falls asleep and complains when you wake them up to go to the washroom.Kissing is like...so ridiculously tame by airline passenger standards. If every other seat on the airplane was filled with immaculately groomed movie-stars making out, then I'd consider myself a very lucky passenger. -- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sonten1 09/27/11 4:43:00 PM #143:	since when did leisha and camila start dating -- HBJ - Second City Saint ~Project 1000~ <cite>sonten1 posted [p:392502] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> since when did leisha and camila start dating -- HBJ - Second City Saint~Project 1000~ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 09/27/11 4:54:00 PM #144:	From: the icon ownz all \| #114 i don't remember a topic this large when kevin smith was kicked off southwest for being too fat. where's the love for the fatties? the only people that love us are the people that are trying to sell us food -- bad advice http://img.imgcake.com/viktorpnges.png <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:392503] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> From: the icon ownz all \| #114i don't remember a topic this large when kevin smith was kicked off southwest for being too fat. where's the love for the fatties?the only people that love us are the people that are trying to sell us food -- bad advicehttp://img.imgcake.com/viktorpnges.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metroid composite 09/27/11 4:56:00 PM #145:	*CrimsonOcean posted...* http://www.afterellen.com/people/leisha-hailey-and-camila-grey-release-a-statement-on-their-southwest-airlines-debacle I dunno if this has been posted or not, but there is a statement from the couple about what happened. According to them they were only on the airline for about 5 minutes, and were in no way vulgar in their actions. Relevant quotes (emphasis mine): "We want to make it clear we were not making out or creating any kind of spectacle of ourselves, it was one, modest kiss." "We were never told the reason the flight attendant approached us, we were only scolded that we “needed to be aware that Southwest Airlines was a family oriented airline.”" "We want to live in a society where if your loved one leans over to give you an innocent kiss on an airplane it's not labeled as "excessive or not family oriented" by a corporation and it’s employees." So...yeah, at least according to them: 1. They were not making out 2. They were not asked to stop and refused--according to them they were not even told why they were asked to leave the airplane. -- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision <cite>metroid composite posted [p:392504] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> CrimsonOcean posted...http://www.afterellen.com/people/leisha-hailey-and-camila-grey-release-a-statement-on-their-southwest-airlines-debacleI dunno if this has been posted or not, but there is a statement from the couple about what happened. According to them they were only on the airline for about 5 minutes, and were in no way vulgar in their actions.Relevant quotes (emphasis mine):"We want to make it clear we were not making out or creating any kind of spectacle of ourselves, it was one, modest kiss.""We were never told the reason the flight attendant approached us, we were only scolded that we “needed to be aware that Southwest Airlines was a family oriented airline.”""We want to live in a society where if your loved one leans over to give you an innocent kiss on an airplane it's not labeled as "excessive or not family oriented" by a corporation and it’s employees."So...yeah, at least according to them:1. They were not making out2. They were not asked to stop and refused--according to them they were not even told why they were asked to leave the airplane. -- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/27/11 4:58:00 PM #146:	They could be lying, too. Bunch of liars, they are. -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:392505] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> They could be lying, too.Bunch of liars, they are. -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Biolizard28 09/27/11 5:09:00 PM #147:	From: TheRock1525 \| #146 They could be lying, too. Bunch of liars, they are. Why trust anything anyone says? They could all be liars. Like why should I believe any of your family drama? You could just be fishing for sympathy. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>Biolizard28 posted [p:392506] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #146They could be lying, too.Bunch of liars, they are.Why trust anything anyone says? They could all be liars.Like why should I believe any of your family drama? You could just be fishing for sympathy. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Psycho_Kenshin 09/27/11 6:04:00 PM #148:	*masterplum posted...* Why can't you guys understand that you don't know enough to pass judgement in these topics? Well everyone can conclude based on their own views, and in this situation I'd say there's no reasonable reason to kick a couple off a plane for kissing. -- One Piece: Pirates with style! -= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- <cite>Psycho_Kenshin posted [p:392507] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> masterplum posted...Why can't you guys understand that you don't know enough to pass judgement in these topics?Well everyone can conclude based on their own views, and in this situation I'd say there's no reasonable reason to kick a couple off a plane for kissing. -- One Piece: Pirates with style!-= Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Espionage Action =- </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pretty_Odd 09/27/11 6:08:00 PM #149:	*BoshStrikesBack posted...* Initial reports indicate that we received several passenger complaints characterizing the behavior as excessive. Our crew, responsible for the comfort of all Customers on board, approached the passengers based solely on behavior and not gender. The conversation escalated to a level that was better resolved on the ground, as opposed to in flight. We regret any circumstance where a passenger does not have a positive experience on Southwest and we are ready to work directly with the passengers involved to offer our heartfelt apologies for falling short of their expectations. "Being gay" is not the same as "eating your lover's face out in front of little children." We need more info, but based on the above, I'd side with Southwest. If a straight couple had received similar complaints for similar exhibitionism, the result would've been identical. Exactly. It's like people do crap like that just to get kicked out and make a big stink about it. -- Kiwi <cite>Pretty_Odd posted [p:392508] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> BoshStrikesBack posted...Initial reports indicate that we received several passenger complaints characterizing the behavior as excessive. Our crew, responsible for the comfort of all Customers on board, approached the passengers based solely on behavior and not gender. The conversation escalated to a level that was better resolved on the ground, as opposed to in flight. We regret any circumstance where a passenger does not have a positive experience on Southwest and we are ready to work directly with the passengers involved to offer our heartfelt apologies for falling short of their expectations."Being gay" is not the same as "eating your lover's face out in front of little children." We need more info, but based on the above, I'd side with Southwest. If a straight couple had received similar complaints for similar exhibitionism, the result would've been identical.Exactly. It's like people do crap like that just to get kicked out and make a big stink about it. -- Kiwi </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/27/11 6:09:00 PM #150:	*Biolizard28 posted...* From: TheRock1525 \| #146 They could be lying, too. Bunch of liars, they are. Why trust anything anyone says? They could all be liars. Like why should I believe any of your family drama? You could just be fishing for sympathy. You don't! You're allowed to form your own opinion based on what you choose to believe and not to, especially if you have no first hand experience with the series of events and are only given certain sides of the argument! Whether or not you believe me is largely irrelevant to my situation, though, so I take no real offense to anyone if they don't believe me. -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:392509] in "Fami... [t:60454514]...</cite> <quote> Biolizard28 posted...From: TheRock1525 \| #146They could be lying, too.Bunch of liars, they are.Why trust anything anyone says? They could all be liars.Like why should I believe any of your family drama? You could just be fishing for sympathy.You don't! You're allowed to form your own opinion based on what you choose to believe and not to, especially if you have no first hand experience with the series of events and are only given certain sides of the argument!Whether or not you believe me is largely irrelevant to my situation, though, so I take no real offense to anyone if they don't believe me. -- TheRock ~ Death By Misadventure, Not Suicide "Would've liked to see that." - Ayuyu on my boner </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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