Board 8 > What's the rule on "people" vs. "peoples"?

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thundersheep 09/22/11 11:29:00 PM #1:	I basically use people all the time, but I;m just wondering when it's correct to say "peoples". -- http://soundcloud.com/thundersheep/lunatic-asylum http://soundcloud.com/thundersheep/summer-rain <cite>thundersheep posted [p:370467] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> I basically use people all the time, but I;m just wondering when it's correct to say "peoples". -- http://soundcloud.com/thundersheep/lunatic-asylumhttp://soundcloud.com/thundersheep/summer-rain </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpeedYoshi 09/22/11 11:30:00 PM #2:	when refering to multiple groups of people? -- Don't worry guys, I have all the clubs <cite>SpeedYoshi posted [p:370468] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> when refering to multiple groups of people? -- Don't worry guys, I have all the clubs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VF1MS Metal Siren 09/22/11 11:30:00 PM #3:	I only here "peoples" used when referring to multiple sub-populations within some ethnic group. Like, "the indo-european peoples" or something. -- Goodnight Austin Texas, wherever you are! <cite>VF1MS Metal Siren posted [p:370469] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> I only here "peoples" used when referring to multiple sub-populations within some ethnic group. Like, "the indo-european peoples" or something. -- Goodnight Austin Texas, wherever you are! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SovietOmega 09/22/11 11:33:00 PM #4:	peoples wins because there are more people in peoples than people. unless the people have rocket launchers, then all bets are off. though, if the peoples are zombies it might even out... -- There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out <cite>SovietOmega posted [p:370470] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> peoples wins because there are more people in peoples than people.unless the people have rocket launchers, then all bets are off. though, if the peoples are zombies it might even out... -- There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 09/22/11 11:37:00 PM #5:	...never heard 'peoples' because... it's already a plural. inclination goes to it's incorrect grammar. persons? sure, interchangable with people. but peoples? wha? -- The future must protect the clone's past. "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:370471] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> ...never heard 'peoples' because... it's already a plural. inclination goes to it's incorrect grammar. persons? sure, interchangable with people. but peoples? wha? -- The future must protect the clone's past."Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 09/22/11 11:41:00 PM #6:	Peoples isn't improper grammar. It's more used to refer to specific groups of people rather than just a generic gathering of people. Like, you could refer to "The peoples of South Africa" and be talking about the various ethnic groups represented there. I mean, there's no specific instance I can think of where it's grammatically necessary to use it, but whatever. You CAN use it. -- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:370472] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> Peoples isn't improper grammar. It's more used to refer to specific groups of people rather than just a generic gathering of people.Like, you could refer to "The peoples of South Africa" and be talking about the various ethnic groups represented there.I mean, there's no specific instance I can think of where it's grammatically necessary to use it, but whatever. You CAN use it. -- "Stay with me until the end. Please.""Not until the end. Always." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 09/22/11 11:41:00 PM #7:	Peoples isn't a proper word. It was originally a funny way to feign ignorance to how plural words work, and it just sort of caught on I guess. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4258/1118030354863.jpg <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:370473] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> Peoples isn't a proper word. It was originally a funny way to feign ignorance to how plural words work, and it just sort of caught on I guess. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4258/1118030354863.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 09/22/11 11:43:00 PM #8:	ex...cept referring to it as 'the people of south africa' is saying the EXACT same thing you were saying there. no actual difference. >_>; -- The future must protect the clone's past. "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:370474] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> ex...cept referring to it as 'the people of south africa' is saying the EXACT same thing you were saying there. no actual difference. >_>; -- The future must protect the clone's past."Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thundersheep 09/22/11 11:44:00 PM #9:	From: LeonhartFour \| #006 Peoples isn't improper grammar. It's more used to refer to specific groups of people rather than just a generic gathering of people. Like, you could refer to "The peoples of South Africa" and be talking about the various ethnic groups represented there. I mean, there's no specific instance I can think of where it's grammatically necessary to use it, but whatever. You CAN use it. Ahh. This is exactly what I was thinking. I can never remember the hard and fast rules of grammar (even as a Linguistics major) but I was writing a response and it seemed natural to write "the peoples of ancient Greece", and then I stopped and had to think about it for a while because I never really use that word. Danke. Oh, and I wasn't asking about the validity, I know for a fact it's a term used even in academic writing. -- http://soundcloud.com/thundersheep/lunatic-asylum http://soundcloud.com/thundersheep/summer-rain <cite>thundersheep posted [p:370475] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> From: LeonhartFour \| #006Peoples isn't improper grammar. It's more used to refer to specific groups of people rather than just a generic gathering of people.Like, you could refer to "The peoples of South Africa" and be talking about the various ethnic groups represented there.I mean, there's no specific instance I can think of where it's grammatically necessary to use it, but whatever. You CAN use it.Ahh. This is exactly what I was thinking. I can never remember the hard and fast rules of grammar (even as a Linguistics major) but I was writing a response and it seemed natural to write "the peoples of ancient Greece", and then I stopped and had to think about it for a while because I never really use that word.Danke.Oh, and I wasn't asking about the validity, I know for a fact it's a term used even in academic writing. -- http://soundcloud.com/thundersheep/lunatic-asylumhttp://soundcloud.com/thundersheep/summer-rain </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WazzupGenius00 09/22/11 11:46:00 PM #10:	Now the one I want to know is when it's okay to use "persons" like in "missing persons" -- (10:17:09 PM) Ed Bellis: i think pac-man just keeps repeating, for instance (10:17:26 PM) ertyu: ya well tell that to billy michtlle <cite>WazzupGenius00 posted [p:370476] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> Now the one I want to know is when it's okay to use "persons" like in "missing persons" -- (10:17:09 PM) Ed Bellis: i think pac-man just keeps repeating, for instance(10:17:26 PM) ertyu: ya well tell that to billy michtlle </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 09/22/11 11:47:00 PM #11:	From: WazzupGenius00 \| #010 Now the one I want to know is when it's okay to use "persons" like in "missing persons" There you have it. -- http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/8/22/2094c2de-bae8-4f5b-9f27-67eaff0aaeaf.jpg <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:370477] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> From: WazzupGenius00 \| #010Now the one I want to know is when it's okay to use "persons" like in "missing persons"There you have it. -- http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/8/22/2094c2de-bae8-4f5b-9f27-67eaff0aaeaf.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 09/22/11 11:48:00 PM #12:	...huh. so google confirms it's actually a word. can't say i remember ever reading it or something, weird. stems from a distinction of person and people as both being singular terms instead of plural, even though.... nobody ever uses people as a singular. >_>; -- The future must protect the clone's past. "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:370478] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> ...huh. so google confirms it's actually a word. can't say i remember ever reading it or something, weird. stems from a distinction of person and people as both being singular terms instead of plural, even though.... nobody ever uses people as a singular. >_>; -- The future must protect the clone's past."Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 09/22/11 11:48:00 PM #13:	There's a very difference between "two people" and "two peoples". -- "God Hand is the ultimate expression of the joy of humanity, specifically the punching part of the joy of humanity."-Shigeru Miyamoto <cite>paperwarior posted [p:370479] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> There's a very difference between "two people" and "two peoples". -- "God Hand is the ultimate expression of the joy of humanity, specifically the punching part of the joy of humanity."-Shigeru Miyamoto </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 09/22/11 11:49:00 PM #14:	Yeeeep. A very difference. -- "God Hand is the ultimate expression of the joy of humanity, specifically the punching part of the joy of humanity."-Shigeru Miyamoto <cite>paperwarior posted [p:370480] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> Yeeeep. A very difference. -- "God Hand is the ultimate expression of the joy of humanity, specifically the punching part of the joy of humanity."-Shigeru Miyamoto </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 09/22/11 11:52:00 PM #15:	From: Wanglicious \| #012 ...huh. so google confirms it's actually a word. Why are you so surprised? "People" and "Peoples" aren't the same word. Like paperwarior said, there's a difference between saying "two people" and "two peoples," because the latter would refer to specific ethnic groups and the former could apply to any two individuals regardless of relation. -- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX! http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:370481] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> From: Wanglicious \| #012...huh. so google confirms it's actually a word.Why are you so surprised?"People" and "Peoples" aren't the same word. Like paperwarior said, there's a difference between saying "two people" and "two peoples," because the latter would refer to specific ethnic groups and the former could apply to any two individuals regardless of relation. -- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX!http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 09/22/11 11:57:00 PM #16:	'cause far as i knew peoples wasn't a word at all? <_<; pretty easy to be surprised when you hear what's normally a plural word has a plural to it. -- The future must protect the clone's past. "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:370482] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> 'cause far as i knew peoples wasn't a word at all? <_<; pretty easy to be surprised when you hear what's normally a plural word has a plural to it. -- The future must protect the clone's past."Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 09/22/11 11:57:00 PM #17:	I mean, it's not a commonly used word, but I figured you'd have at least heard it SOMEWHERE at some point. -- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:370483] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> I mean, it's not a commonly used word, but I figured you'd have at least heard it SOMEWHERE at some point. -- "Stay with me until the end. Please.""Not until the end. Always." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 09/22/11 11:59:00 PM #18:	Someone link to a website claiming that peoples is a proper word. I'm fairly certain it's not. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i54.tinypic.com/n2mvt4.gif <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:370484] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> Someone link to a website claiming that peoples is a proper word. I'm fairly certain it's not. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://i54.tinypic.com/n2mvt4.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thundersheep 09/23/11 12:10:00 AM #19:	From: Rad Link 5 \| #018 Someone link to a website claiming that peoples is a proper word. I'm fairly certain it's not. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/peoples #3 Although I don't understand how you're not convinced after Leon's post. It can't really be explained any clearer than that. -- http://soundcloud.com/thundersheep/lunatic-asylum http://soundcloud.com/thundersheep/summer-rain <cite>thundersheep posted [p:370485] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> From: Rad Link 5 \| #018Someone link to a website claiming that peoples is a proper word. I'm fairly certain it's not.http://www.thefreedictionary.com/peoples#3Although I don't understand how you're not convinced after Leon's post. It can't really be explained any clearer than that. -- http://soundcloud.com/thundersheep/lunatic-asylumhttp://soundcloud.com/thundersheep/summer-rain </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agesboy 09/23/11 12:21:00 AM #20:	It is a real term, and I've seen it used enough to where I can distinguish between people and peoples without having ever looked up a definition <_< It's like when you're talking about group and groups. Group refers to more than one, but it's treated as singular because you're talking about the entire unit, of which there's only one. And if there's more than one unit, it's groups. Same thing with people. It refers to multiple.. uh... persons, but since you're talking about the persons as one unit, it's singular. And if you're talking about multiple units, it's plural. -- "Duel audio? You mean like rap battles?" - termina_rzident KrahenProphet and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:370486] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> It is a real term, and I've seen it used enough to where I can distinguish between people and peoples without having ever looked up a definition <_<It's like when you're talking about group and groups. Group refers to more than one, but it's treated as singular because you're talking about the entire unit, of which there's only one. And if there's more than one unit, it's groups.Same thing with people. It refers to multiple.. uh... persons, but since you're talking about the persons as one unit, it's singular. And if you're talking about multiple units, it's plural. -- "Duel audio? You mean like rap battles?" - termina_rzidentKrahenProphet and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 09/23/11 12:22:00 AM #21:	From: thundersheep \| #019 Although I don't understand how you're not convinced after Leon's post. It can't really be explained any clearer than that. Because I've heard multiple English teachers in high school and college say it's not a proper word, for whatever little that is worth. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i55.tinypic.com/2mcnjl.gif <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:370487] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> From: thundersheep \| #019Although I don't understand how you're not convinced after Leon's post. It can't really be explained any clearer than that.Because I've heard multiple English teachers in high school and college say it's not a proper word, for whatever little that is worth. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://i55.tinypic.com/2mcnjl.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agesboy 09/23/11 12:33:00 AM #22:	Not too surprising. English teachers tend to disagree about a lot of things, like the serial comma. The English language is pretty much shaped by how people use words, and when someone says 'peoples', they're either using incorrect English or are pointedly referring the different groups. Not like you have to accept it as good English, but eh, the important thing is that you understand what they're saying. -- "Duel audio? You mean like rap battles?" - termina_rzident KrahenProphet and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:370488] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> Not too surprising. English teachers tend to disagree about a lot of things, like the serial comma.The English language is pretty much shaped by how people use words, and when someone says 'peoples', they're either using incorrect English or are pointedly referring the different groups. Not like you have to accept it as good English, but eh, the important thing is that you understand what they're saying. -- "Duel audio? You mean like rap battles?" - termina_rzidentKrahenProphet and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chrono1219 09/23/11 12:50:00 AM #23:	From: WazzupGenius00 \| #010 Now the one I want to know is when it's okay to use "persons" like in "missing persons" If i recall, something like persons is only used within like legality and extremely formal things. While technically it can be used at any time to replace people, present language trends use people. -- Chrono1219 <cite>Chrono1219 posted [p:370489] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> From: WazzupGenius00 \| #010Now the one I want to know is when it's okay to use "persons" like in "missing persons"If i recall, something like persons is only used within like legality and extremely formal things. While technically it can be used at any time to replace people, present language trends use people. -- Chrono1219 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpeedYoshi 09/23/11 1:18:00 AM #24:	the persons of South Africa..... that sounds completely incorrect -- Don't worry guys, I have all the clubs <cite>SpeedYoshi posted [p:370490] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> the persons of South Africa.....that sounds completely incorrect -- Don't worry guys, I have all the clubs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 09/23/11 1:24:00 AM #25:	"We experienced uprisings among some of the indigenous peoples" makes perfect sense to me. -- ~C~ Eff_Dee http://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:370491] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> "We experienced uprisings among some of the indigenous peoples"makes perfect sense to me. -- ~C~ Eff_Deehttp://img.imgcake.com/FDjpgyb.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chrono1219 09/23/11 1:46:00 AM #26:	From: SpeedYoshi \| #104 the persons of South Africa..... that sounds completely incorrect yeah it might sound incorrect, but I'm actually pretty confident that our use of people is from an evolution of how we came to use the language. The main problem is that no one really agrees on proper usage now and most of the time you just have to go the popular vote. -- Chrono1219 <cite>Chrono1219 posted [p:370492] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> From: SpeedYoshi \| #104the persons of South Africa.....that sounds completely incorrectyeah it might sound incorrect, but I'm actually pretty confident that our use of people is from an evolution of how we came to use the language. The main problem is that no one really agrees on proper usage now and most of the time you just have to go the popular vote. -- Chrono1219 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
azuarc 09/23/11 5:03:00 AM #27:	*Rad Link 5 posted...* From: thundersheep \| #019 Although I don't understand how you're not convinced after Leon's post. It can't really be explained any clearer than that. Because I've heard multiple English teachers in high school and college say it's not a proper word, for whatever little that is worth. That's because English teachers are trying to cut to the chase and get people to stop writing "peoples" in place of "people," where it is indeed incorrect. Your teacher didn't bother to point out the exception where it is actually used. Then again, there are times where even English teachers get it wrong. For example, if you are sick to your stomach, the correct terminology is "I don't feel good," although everyone seems to think it's socially acceptable to correct people who say that and change it to well. If you say "I don't feel well," you are saying that your sense of touch is not working properly, as in "My hands are numb; I can't feel the keys well." <cite>azuarc posted [p:370493] in What's... [t:60410432]...</cite> <quote> Rad Link 5 posted...From: thundersheep \| #019Although I don't understand how you're not convinced after Leon's post. It can't really be explained any clearer than that.Because I've heard multiple English teachers in high school and college say it's not a proper word, for whatever little that is worth.That's because English teachers are trying to cut to the chase and get people to stop writing "peoples" in place of "people," where it is indeed incorrect. Your teacher didn't bother to point out the exception where it is actually used.Then again, there are times where even English teachers get it wrong. For example, if you are sick to your stomach, the correct terminology is "I don't feel good," although everyone seems to think it's socially acceptable to correct people who say that and change it to well. If you say "I don't feel well," you are saying that your sense of touch is not working properly, as in "My hands are numb; I can't feel the keys well." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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