...not sure how you'd get it's non-canon. the best you'd get is that it's neutral to it. like at best you've got something to do with rank, but some affect it and some don't. no more or less than getting various armors really. though actually getting 'em makes a ton of sense in the first place seeing how you're literally revived by one, X is one, dark elf is one, etc. they play a major role and Zero getting them all was a side mission more or less. using 'em? hell, by the 4th one you've got a giant variable one that's meant to be used.
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From: Wanglicious | #053 4's the odd one out in that regard due to its sole variable elf. the other 3 = your tanks are gotten from elves. like everything else.
and there's a lot of 'em that do everything from turning him into an ultra tank, healing, having bots around him, halving boss' life, etc.
Only half of them. You make two from elves and find the other two as I recall.
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"1/4th of a blast that can scratch a planet" is giving the Skysmashers too much credit Panthera. That's like saying a thousand atoms can destroy a city because it has the power of a nuke. 'More than the sum of its parts' describes the Hammer well.
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He was talking about the charge shots, not the the skysmashers >_>... But I wouldn't put the blasts at 1/4 of a hammer either, just because Tor wouldn't be able to tank a hammer in the slightest >_>.
Also, I was watching the video and the quakes can knock Iji a bit past Tor's exoskeleton's face. That's a long way to fly.
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From: KanzarisKelshen | #056 "1/4th of a blast that can scratch a planet" is giving the Skysmashers too much credit Panthera. That's like saying a thousand atoms can destroy a city because it has the power of a nuke. 'More than the sum of its parts' describes the Hammer well.
It's a bit of an exaggeration yeah but it's probably safe to say those energy balls are pretty damn powerful
Also aren't Skysmashers the little flying rocket drone things that everyone hates because they're ****ing pains in the ass to hit
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From: Panthera | #054 Also to make this match better you should be alternating between Zero's X2 theme and Tor's battle music while you read because they're awesome
'fix'd'
But speaking seriously, go from Zero getting through an abandoned facility (because screw it, this is neutral terrain and there's nothing wrong with making neutral not a featureless plain) to this:
To fighting Tor...to this tune:
(or, personally, this:
This theme best represents Zero by a long shot tbqh)
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From: JeffreyRaze | #057 He was talking about the charge shots, not the the skysmashers >_>... But I wouldn't put the blasts at 1/4 of a hammer either, just because Tor wouldn't be able to tank a hammer in the slightest >_>.
Also, I was watching the video and the quakes can knock Iji a bit past Tor's exoskeleton's face. That's a long way to fly.
The charge shots ARE named Skysmashers.
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But speaking seriously, go from Zero getting through an abandoned facility (because screw it, this is neutral terrain and there's nothing wrong with making neutral not a featureless plain) to this:
To fighting Tor...to this tune:
(or, personally, this:
This theme best represents Zero by a long shot tbqh)
If there's one thing I've learned from playing video games for roughly two decades, it's that no matter how cool a hero you are, the final boss *always* gets to fight to his own theme song
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From: JeffreyRaze | #062 They're listed as "Charge" in Tor's boss page >_>
Is that so? "whoops" then. My bad.
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From: DeathChicken | #071 Oh, completely forgot about Tor's super duper optional difficulty upgrade. If he gets that, Tor stomps this fight but good
Everybody's been discussing Tor at max actually. Even the video posted there is Tor going full blast.
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From: DeathChicken | #071 Oh, completely forgot about Tor's super duper optional difficulty upgrade. If he gets that, Tor stomps this fight but good
I don't see why he wouldn't get it. It's standard procedure for a Komato General to never go into battle on a whim, only when they've prepared in advance by powering up the slow way, and the extra generator is kept around as a precaution to allow them to fight at full force even on short notice. Only reason he doesn't have it normally is because he didn't intend to actually fight Iji until he met her, under any normal circumstances he'd be going into battle at maximum charge.
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I think if Tor was limited to fighting a ground/relatively close proximity battle like the one shown in the video Zero would probably eventually rip him to pieces
but if he's going to be flying around like crazy without getting close and firing super powered ranged attacks I think there isn't much Zero can do
KanzarisKelshen posted... From: JeffreyRaze | #057 He was talking about the charge shots, not the the skysmashers >_>... But I wouldn't put the blasts at 1/4 of a hammer either, just because Tor wouldn't be able to tank a hammer in the slightest >_>.
Also, I was watching the video and the quakes can knock Iji a bit past Tor's exoskeleton's face. That's a long way to fly. The charge shots ARE named Skysmashers.
The Skysmashers are those flying drone thingies, by the way.
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Zero Going to vote Zero for this one, this match up really does look like something out of a MegamanX/Zero game so I can see Zero managing to take a victory here after a rather long drawn out fight. Also a small question to add to this are we allowing this Zero to be fully infected with the Maverick virus as per say Megaman X 5?
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From: Shadowmoon30 | #078 Zero Going to vote Zero for this one, this match up really does look like something out of a MegamanX/Zero game so I can see Zero managing to take a victory here after a rather long drawn out fight. Also a small question to add to this are we allowing this Zero to be fully infected with the Maverick virus as per say Megaman X 5?
Is that his peak form?
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Zero with Maverick virus could be considered his peak form it is also the form that survives re-entry into the earth after falling from outer space, is also powered up his normal Z-saber and Z-busters to the extreme allowing his Z saber to unleash massive screen wide sized energy waves called Ittou Ryoudan: Genmurei which are capable of killing X in one hit. It could also be noted that Maverick Zero also beat Sigma half to death as well as almost killed him back when Sigma was a Maverick Hunter. Maverick Zero would also be more likely to go for killing and generally maiming Tor then normal Zero would.
It may also be worth noting that canon wise Zero does keep every single skill/power he takes in the X series which was shown in his fight with X where depending on who wins use the soul body attack from X4. The powers being lost are just game play.
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Tor is vulnerable to his own shots being reflected back at him? Well, Zero can do that with both the shield boomerang and the Z-Saber, so that certainly won't be a problem.
He can reflect shots with the Z-Saber? Anyways, the shield boomerang can't reflect heavy weapons, only small weapons fire. I think it would fail against most of Tor's stuff.
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If Tor's stuff can specifically be redirected, I don't see why Zero wouldn't be able to do so. And yes, Zero can reflect like 90% of the projectiles in MMX7 with his saber.
Going to vote Zero for this one, this match up really does look like something out of a MegamanX/Zero game so I can see Zero managing to take a victory here after a rather long drawn out fight.
i don't like this "Tor seems like a video game boss so zero would beat him" argument. why do you think zero would actually win? Tor almost certainly has a significant advantage on zero in terms of durability and firepower, and since he has no personal reason to give zero a "fair fight" (like he does with iji), what can zero do stop him from jumping a mile or two away and gunning him down?
Tor is vulnerable to his own shots being reflected back at him? Well, Zero can do that with both the shield boomerang and the Z-Saber, so that certainly won't be a problem.
i like this more. but would that really "not be a problem"? does zero always start off trying to reflect attacks back? and can he reflect anything? because Tor's attacks are probably ,more powerful than stuff in MMX/Z, and he fires a lot of stuff at once.
If Tor's stuff can specifically be redirected, I don't see why Zero wouldn't be able to do so. And yes, Zero can reflect like 90% of the projectiles in MMX7 with his saber.
what's the 10% that he can't reflect? is it only really powerful stuff? because Tor's strongest attacks (the one that will actually hurt him a lot if it gets reflecting back) is going to be in the "really powerful stuff" category.
most of his attacks barely hurt him when they get reflected back at him
Shield Boomerang already can reflect energy attacks and he can reflect them with the Z Saber with an equippable part, much like the easiest way to kill Tor. Zero's better in every way than Iji, especially in speed, and cyber elves, parts, and ex skills give him even more on top of that.
He's capable of dodging and surviving those attacks, can protect himself while he bounces Tor's own attacks back at him, and can even go on the offensive against Tor I'm sure.
Could even throw in Absolute Zero from Command Mission, and then he's a teleporting, flying superstomping madman.
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Shield Boomerang already can reflect energy attacks and he can reflect them with the Z Saber with an equippable part, much like the easiest way to kill Tor.
Posts just above yours indicate that the boomerang only works on weak attacks, and that the z-saber doesn't reflect everything (and only does that in mmx7). Considering that Tor's attacks are far from "weak" it seems like a stretch to just assume as a given that Zero can easily reflect things. Especially since most of Tor's attacks barely hurt him, it's only one particularly powerful shot, so zero would kinda have to magically know to reflect that attack rather try to dodge it (since even if he reflected attacks, he would see that they did almost nothing earlier)
Zero's better in every way than Iji, especially in speed, and cyber elves, parts, and ex skills give him even more on top of that.
based on what? he obviously has her on speed, but in terms of firepower and durability i think they're pretty comparable in terms of using and taking hits from super-futuristic plasma/laster/etc weapons and whatnot
He's capable of dodging and surviving those attacks, can protect himself while he bounces Tor's own attacks back at him, and can even go on the offensive against Tor I'm sure.
so what does he do when Tor jumps a mile away and fires the planet-cracking phantom hammer at him? What if Tor decides to just play keep away and unload on Zero and then when zero gets close, he jumps away again. Keep in mind that Tor isn't going to behave like a video game boss like against iji, because he was giving her a fair fight out of sympathy for destroying her planet, which he won't do for zero
Could even throw in Absolute Zero from Command Mission, and then he's a teleporting, flying superstomping madman.
also, you should pick a form of zero and stick to it. jumping around from form to form is, well, bad form
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(but seriously, it is indeed very sad that newbie isn't pitching in. His arguments are always fun :( )
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Also if we are using any version of Zero from the Megaman X world let's not forget that two of the ways he can deal with energy attacks is to either A. absorb the energy into his Z saber using, Tenkuuha technique (upgrades the Z-Saber, tinting it violet and allowing it to absorb energy shots.) or he can B. Use guard shell which causes Zero to summon an energy shield that reflects energy shots. Like Yammar Option, Zero can also attack while doing this. Requires Weapon Energy (energy is only consumed when an attack is reflected). It is the same as X's Guard Shell.
Also to add to Zero's weapons I had forgot about Dark hold, which would allow Zero to stop time for a while, as I said before X5 showed that Zero and X keep all of their powers from game to game with them being lost being an element that is just there for gameplay.
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(but seriously, it is indeed very sad that newbie isn't pitching in. His arguments are always fun :( )
i could really try being really condescending and call people idiots and stuff if you want. it'd just be a shadow of the real thing, though =(
Also if we are using any version of Zero from the Megaman X world let's not forget that two of the ways he can deal with energy attacks is to either A. absorb the energy into his Z saber using, Tenkuuha technique (upgrades the Z-Saber, tinting it violet and allowing it to absorb energy shots.) or he can B. Use guard shell which causes Zero to summon an energy shield that reflects energy shots. Like Yammar Option, Zero can also attack while doing this. Requires Weapon Energy (energy is only consumed when an attack is reflected). It is the same as X's Guard Shell.
I think i remember the z-saber thing, but doesn't it not work on all attacks, though? like, usually doesn't work on strong ones from bosses and whatnot? I could easily be remembering wrong, but i think it's a safe assumption that Tor's attacks at least as strong as "strong" attacks from zero's universe. I can buy the shield thing working, but it obviously won't last forever, and I don't think it'd reflect enough stuff back at Tor to do too much damage (aside from his more powerful shot, he takes very little damage from having his own attacks reflected back at him)
Also to add to Zero's weapons I had forgot about Dark hold, which would allow Zero to stop time for a while, as I said before X5 showed that Zero and X keep all of their powers from game to game with them being lost being an element that is just there for gameplay.
I'm pretty sure that dark hold doesn't work on strong enemies (aka bosses), aside from the boss that's weak to it.
i mean, i'm not saying that it's guaranteed not to work or whatever, but it seems unlikely to me.
and i'm aware of the kinda-sorta double standard of saying "well don't use that Tor is like a boss as an argument for Zero beating him" and then saying "well, Tor is like a boss so these things wouldn't work" but it's more a matter of: dark hold doesn't work on strong enemies, and Tor is stronger than those strong enemies it doesn't work on and we don't have a reason to think he's weak to it, so Tor probably is also resistant to it.