Board 8 > Updated PSN? Can't be in a future class action lawsuit against them.

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any consumer who is siding with sony in this is pretty much the definition of a beta male. Whether its legal or not, YOU are getting screwed. The consumer. Of course, everyone here will act like its ok because they think it means nothing and "well guys, it is fair. They have the right" Anytime you are being limited in what you can do, even if its possible to get out of the agreement, is a cause for concern.

Just because its legal doesn't mean you should act like its ok. Consumers should be pissed about this. Especially if you dont want to go on PSN anymore because of it, but you need to to access stuff.

Gaming....god its a ****ing joke now.

Demon HunterX posted...
Gaming....god its a ****ing joke now.

Gaming is a joke because it's tougher for lawyers to file class action lawsuits against Sony? What?

I mean, I truly don't give a damn about this whole thing, but the vitriol coming out of people makes no sense to me. Then again, this is a board where people complain about moderators like they're Germans living in East Berlin in the '80s, so I can't say I'm exactly surprised.

Gaming is a joke because it's tougher for lawyers to file class action lawsuits against Sony? What?

I mean, I truly don't give a damn about this whole thing, but the vitriol coming out of people makes no sense to me. Then again, this is a board where people complain about moderators like they're Germans living in East Berlin in the '80s, so I can't say I'm exactly surprised.

no, its a joke because the biggest stories in gaming these days are things like

"hey, sony just did a dick move to its PSN subscribers"
"capcom is really being asses to their fans with all this DLC and how they implement it"
"oh go figure, you must be online to play diablo 3"

It's Sony's fault that people are too lazy to read the EULA WHY exactly?

They're hardly the first company to pull something like this either. Anyone here ever posted on the official WoW forums? Every month there's some new nerdrage about something in the EULA.

And before you go off on the "well they bury it in a large legal document to intentionally make it difficult to read!" please keep in mind, the main reason companies always do that is because our legal system is completely and totally out of control. These ridiculous EULA's exist to protect the companies against frivolous lawsuits. If you don't like this sort of thing, demand tort reform.

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let's see how vlado defends this

The Vlado that bashed Sony for removing Linux and for having piss-poor security? Update your information, man.

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From: SmartMuffin | #056
It's Sony's fault that people are too lazy to read the EULA WHY exactly?

Ignoring the fact that I highly doubt you read every word of every EULA update yourself (plus whatever other services you have with frequent updates), my email just came 5am this morning. Anybody who had a year long PS+ subscription before any of this even happened potentially had an update with no notification whatsoever.

That alone is probably enough to invalidate the whole thing.

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Just because its legal doesn't mean you should act like its ok. Consumers should be pissed about this. Especially if you dont want to go on PSN anymore because of it, but you need to to access stuff.

consumers are entirely malleable at this point, this is the age of distraction and apathy. some of you will act pissed right now, but you'll forget about it and still be in line to buy the PS4 either way.

it's not even that they changed the EULA that's bothersome - it's that they sold a product, you bought that product expecting you could play online, then they changed the terms midway through your agreement. the new terms require you to give up your rights as an individual to continue using a service you've already indirectly invested money into. like sure, you don't have to agree to this. just stop playing those games you already bought with online play.

I'm not even sure how it's legal to begin with. Because you're buying the product, and then they're telling you afterward what you're allowed to do with that product.

What if with a PS4 (just an example), they have all these cool features on the box, all of these advertisements, etc, that don't mention anything like having to sign a Terms of Service, about having to always be connected to their server to play even single player games?

I mean it's entirely possible with how gaming is going, and logical to assume, that everything will be online. So you get the PS4 only to later find out that you either have to digitally sign some agreement (and by sign I mean check a box considering you never actually sign anything, even now) or not use your system.

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Or maybe in the future they'll preemptively check every box for you and give you access to a 300 page electronic document that you must opt out of which will immediately lock you out of their system.

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i'm just as annoyed about the change as you all are but seriously

who the **** cares? sure there's the fact they're removing our rights to sue them but let's face it. none of us would be in any class-action lawsuits any time soon

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Justin_Crossing posted...
i'm just as annoyed about the change as you all are but seriously

who the **** cares? sure there's the fact they're removing our rights to sue them but let's face it. none of us would be in any class-action lawsuits any time soon

Oh my young friend.

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And before you go off on the "well they bury it in a large legal document to intentionally make it difficult to read!" please keep in mind, the main reason companies always do that is because our legal system is completely and totally out of control. These ridiculous EULA's exist to protect the companies against frivolous lawsuits. If you don't like this sort of thing, demand tort reform.

I disagree that they have a EULA like this just to protect themselves against frivolous lawsuits. This EULA protects Sony from non-frivolous class action lawsuits as well. I don't see why they would give up this protection even if frivolous lawsuits magically stopped happening. The other possibility is EULAs like this wouldn't be allowed in a world without frivolous lawsuits but I have no idea if that would be true or not.

What if with a PS4 (just an example), they have all these cool features on the box, all of these advertisements, etc, that don't mention anything like having to sign a Terms of Service, about having to always be connected to their server to play even single player games?

I mean it's entirely possible with how gaming is going, and logical to assume, that everything will be online. So you get the PS4 only to later find out that you either have to digitally sign some agreement (and by sign I mean check a box considering you never actually sign anything, even now) or not use your system.

Aren't there PC games with DRM like that? I'm not sure if they normally explain the DRM on the box, though. In the PS4 example you could return it if you don't like the conditions in the ToS.

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who the **** cares? sure there's the fact they're removing our rights to sue them but let's face it. none of us would be in any class-action lawsuits any time soon

There was the OtherOS class action in 2010 and the PSN data breach this year. There was also the one back in 2005 regarding Sony putting rootkits on people computers. That third one was Sony Music so I'm not sure if it falls under the Sony you are not allowed to initiate a class action against. There might have been others that I haven't heard of. It wouldn't really surprise me if Sony did something else in the next few years that would warrant them getting sued especially if they no longer have to worry about actually getting sued. As I said before, these lawsuits aren't necessarily something you plan to do in the future. They are in response to things you didn't know was coming earlier.

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to be fair, you should see it coming with what sony's history is. anyone who actually gets blind sided by sony screwing them over in the future is simply unobservant

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And before you go off on the "well they bury it in a large legal document to intentionally make it difficult to read!" please keep in mind, the main reason companies always do that is because our legal system is completely and totally out of control. These ridiculous EULA's exist to protect the companies against frivolous lawsuits. If you don't like this sort of thing, demand tort reform.

I disagree that they have a EULA like this just to protect themselves against frivolous lawsuits. This EULA protects Sony from non-frivolous class action lawsuits as well. I don't see why they would give up this protection even if frivolous lawsuits magically stopped happening. The other possibility is EULAs like this wouldn't be allowed in a world without frivolous lawsuits but I have no idea if that would be true or not.

What if with a PS4 (just an example), they have all these cool features on the box, all of these advertisements, etc, that don't mention anything like having to sign a Terms of Service, about having to always be connected to their server to play even single player games?

I mean it's entirely possible with how gaming is going, and logical to assume, that everything will be online. So you get the PS4 only to later find out that you either have to digitally sign some agreement (and by sign I mean check a box considering you never actually sign anything, even now) or not use your system.

Aren't there PC games with DRM like that? I'm not sure if they normally explain the DRM on the box, though. In the PS4 example you could return it if you don't like the conditions in the ToS.

There probably are. As far as I know, with most stores that sell new systems, you cannot return them. Target and Walmart might have different policies, but the general rule is that once opened, it can't be returned.

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Now is this class-action waiver for Sony in general or just the PSN?

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kevwaffles posted...
From: SmartMuffin | #056
It's Sony's fault that people are too lazy to read the EULA WHY exactly?
Ignoring the fact that I highly doubt you read every word of every EULA update yourself (plus whatever other services you have with frequent updates), my email just came 5am this morning. Anybody who had a year long PS+ subscription before any of this even happened potentially had an update with no notification whatsoever.

That alone is probably enough to invalidate the whole thing.

... you still have most of a month to send in your disagreement with the part you can opt out of. They still said Hey read the important part RIGHT THERE about waiving your right to a lawsuit. If you disagreed you just send in your letter in a timely fashion. This is almost certainly why you have a month to send it in.

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So, should I send in this letter just in case?

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