From: Meow1000 | Posted: 9/21/2011 4:28:51 PM | #349 Shields was in for too long, but I can understand why they let him stay.
me too and yes he was
From: Meow1000 | Posted: 9/21/2011 4:29:47 PM | #350 Actually its 2, or 1 win and a Red Sox loss.
The magic number for the division drops from 3 to 2.
Its the wild card that drops from 2-0.
reallyif we win one more game it's ours. we'd have to lose every single other game and boston win every single other game
no margin for error with 1 more win, so as far as i'm concerned now it's a matter of looking back at texas/detroit and seeing how far ahead we are. Girardi should then decide on a rotation, give rest where it's due, and not worry/play the whole team unless one or the other threatens us for home field
If things continue at the pace they're going, last I knew Detroit passed Texas.
But they could end other way.
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it's only by a game i think last i checked, which isn't much really. could easily change, although i'm not sure if detroit actually gets/got one matchup vs a winning team this past month not named "previously above .500 cleveland". So if they do it could be Texas with the better record sooner than later.
From: TheKnightOfNee | Posted: 9/21/2011 4:39:33 PM | #355 Detroit gets some winners like the Royals and Orioles and Indians to close out the year.
Also don't forget that they recently played "previously above .500 White Sox" as well in the past month!
what a schedule bro! jeez it is true, you guys haven't played one above .500 team since like two months ago hahahaha. how utterly pathetic, i want you guys in round 1 now. so we can smack you silly
Hey, those White Sox were above .500 going into both of the recent series against Detroit. They just weren't after getting swept twice. <_<\
It was the first month or two that had a tough schedule for the Tigers, they got in all their games against the Yankees and Red Sox and Blue Jays in during that time period.
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it'll be a fun first round series no matter who the yanks get. Texas/Detroit will be fun and tough short series, because short series are annoying unless they're against the twins where it's a joke.
As for the wildcard vs whomever else... Tampa can't hit, Angels can't hit, Boston is a mess. Texas/Detroit wants the WC winner to be Boston, period I'd think.
Well, it's not like the A's and Mariners are a whole lot better. But the Rangers are also facing the Angels and only have 3/8 games left at home vs 7/8 for Detroit
Also if the Tigers and Rangers tie, I'm pretty sure the Tigers will have the better seed due to head-to-head. And they're tied right now.
From: Xuxon | Posted: 9/21/2011 4:47:34 PM | #360 Well, it's not like the A's and Mariners are a whole lot better. But the Rangers are also facing the Angels and only have 3/8 games left at home vs 7/8 for Detroit
Also if the Tigers and Rangers tie, I'm pretty sure the Tigers will have the better seed due to head-to-head. And they're tied right now.
i see.... hmmm im unsure who i really want TBQH
detroit in a long series doesn't scare me
in a short verlander obviously bla bla
texas in a long with that offense... aye... rather have them short.
Swifticuffs posted... From: Icehawk | Posted: 9/21/2011 4:52:03 PM | #364 you should probably start fearing fister as well as verlander look who he's faced since coming to detroit
end argument.
look who he's faced the entire season. It's not like he's only been good since coming to detroit -_-
augh speaking of Fister tonight Leyland is pitching Scherzer for 5 innings tonight, then Fister for the final 4 innings to get his rotation ready. Which means I'm screwed out of seeing Fister tomorrow as he's pitching Turner instead
DATE OPPONENT RESULT IP H R ER HR BB SO GB FB TBF Pit Dec. Rel. ERA 09/16 @ OAK W 3-1 8.0 3 1 1 1 0 5 9 13 27 91 W(9-13) -- 2.98 09/11 vs MIN W 2-1 7.0 3 0 0 0 2 5 10 9 26 108 W(8-13) -- 3.06 09/05 @ CLE W 4-2 8.0 4 2 1 1 1 13 10 6 31 101 W(7-13) -- 3.17 08/30 vs KC W 2-1 7.2 4 1 1 0 0 6 14 7 27 94 -- -- 3.26 08/25 @ TB W 2-0 7.0 5 0 0 0 0 5 9 12 26 99 W(6-13) -- 3.35 08/20 vs CLE W 10-1 7.0 6 1 1 1 1 7 10 11 30 106 W(5-13) -- 3.49 08/14 @ BAL L 5-8 5.2 12 8 6 1 1 5 10 13 30 101 L(4-13) -- 3.59 08/09 @ CLE L 2-3 2.0 4 2 2 0 0 0 4 5 9 39 -- -- 3.37 08/03 vs TEX W 5-4 7.0 8 3 2 0 0 0 16 13 29 99 W(4-12) -- 3.29 Previously with SEA, Acquired by DET 07/26 @ NYY L 1-4 7.0 7 3 3 1 1 5 13 9 28 108 L(3-12) -- 3.33
let's take a look at his past ten games.
oakland, minnesota, cleveland x3, kansas city, baltimore, tampa who can't hit, texas and the yanks.
He faced two good offenses, lost 1, won the other. HE hasn't faced anyone noteworthy. Put him in Yankee stadium (up or down by a game) facing the hottest AL offense with robbie cano having a short porch and tell me why I should be scared? He's young, he hasn't pitched in the post season to my knowledge, and has faced nothing worth two damns all season (sans us and we beat him)
He faced two good offenses, lost 1, won the other. HE hasn't faced anyone noteworthy. Put him in Yankee stadium (up or down by a game) facing the hottest AL offense with robbie cano having a short porch and tell me why I should be scared? He's young, he hasn't pitched in the post season to my knowledge, and has faced nothing worth two damns all season (sans us and we beat him)
I don't disagree with your conclusion (he definitely has to prove it over a longer stretch before I'm declaring him a lights-out #2), but are you seriously using "wins" as your backbone stat?
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Doug Fister's ERA retrodictors have him anywhere between 3.11 to 3.68 depending on if you think his ridiculously low HR/FB ratio is sustainable (it's probably not, but eh, look at Matt Cain). So he's good, but not "fear him" good.
Rays are toast. Too bad.
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From: JaKyL25 | Posted: 9/21/2011 7:01:53 PM | #377 He faced two good offenses, lost 1, won the other. HE hasn't faced anyone noteworthy. Put him in Yankee stadium (up or down by a game) facing the hottest AL offense with robbie cano having a short porch and tell me why I should be scared? He's young, he hasn't pitched in the post season to my knowledge, and has faced nothing worth two damns all season (sans us and we beat him)
I don't disagree with your conclusion (he definitely has to prove it over a longer stretch before I'm declaring him a lights-out #2), but are you seriously using "wins" as your backbone stat?
losing also involves getting knocked out and being unable to complete the game. Yankee offense tends to bleed pitchers by taking bad pitches. So no, not only that.
i mean i get it. you guys want to be hopeful and backup your team. i do it too. i'm doing it with our #2, a rookie who has been great as of late alla fister, and ok earlier in the year. and is a rookie.
so i get what you're getting at, but let's be reasonable as i am. Nova/Fister aren't gonna win anyone a series. An offense is in a matchup like that. So in the end I don't really know what there is to fear about fister. Verlander, a couple of hitters, fluke valvedere and I got nothing else really I'm "timid" of.
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losing also involves getting knocked out and being unable to complete the game. Yankee offense tends to bleed pitchers by taking bad pitches. So no, not only that.
Still, 7 innings giving up 3 earned runs against the Yankees is pretty good, even in a loss.
If you told me that I could just automatically pencil that in for him against the Yankees in the playoffs or just take my chances letting him pitch and seeing what happens, I'd take it.
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i'd say its more than a couple. We've got good hitters at every position right now save the leadoff and #2 ( I really don't like Maggs batting there but Leyland's really f***ing stubborn. Santiago, with his second half, should be batting #2). But our 3-7 are very, very difficult to get past (Young, Cabrera, Martinez, Avila, and Peralta).
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From: JaKyL25 | Posted: 9/21/2011 9:15:07 PM | #383 losing also involves getting knocked out and being unable to complete the game. Yankee offense tends to bleed pitchers by taking bad pitches. So no, not only that.
Still, 7 innings giving up 3 earned runs against the Yankees is pretty good, even in a loss.
If you told me that I could just automatically pencil that in for him against the Yankees in the playoffs or just take my chances letting him pitch and seeing what happens, I'd take it.
its certainly not bad, but it's the only example of him "losing" and not being "great" as he's been recently... and the teams he's been great against are all garbage without half as good a lineup, let alone our bench/prospects
i'd say its more than a couple. We've got good hitters at every position right now save the leadoff and #2 ( I really don't like Maggs batting there but Leyland's really f***ing stubborn. Santiago, with his second half, should be batting #2). But our 3-7 are very, very difficult to get past (Young, Cabrera, Martinez, Avila, and Peralta).
For all the things Leyland does well, putting together efficient lineups is a huge weakness of his.
I mean, really, Victor should be hitting AHEAD of Miggy, not BEHIND him.
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And good lord, Leyland seems to think that Austin Jackson is a leadoff hitter for no other reason than he's the only guy on our team who can steal bases.
He's #2 in the league in strikeouts! Damn it Jim he's an 8 hitter!
(I would say a #9 hitter, but I can't justify putting Inge ahead of him. Maybe when Betemit is healthy again.)
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I'm not really against hitting Victor behind Cabrera. What I don't get is why you put three guys who don't have very good OBP ahead of Cabby. If it were up to me:
Jackson (he has to lead off, this team has no speed) Santiago (.360 OBP since the All-Star break) Avila (.390 OBP) Cabrera Martinez Peralta Young Whoever you want in RF (Raburn should get consideration thanks to another great second half) Betemit
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JaKyL25 posted... And good lord, Leyland seems to think that Austin Jackson is a leadoff hitter for no other reason than he's the only guy on our team who can steal bases.
He's #2 in the league in strikeouts! Damn it Jim he's an 8 hitter!
(I would say a #9 hitter, but I can't justify putting Inge ahead of him. Maybe when Betemit is healthy again.)
Speaking of which:
As much as I'd like to move Jackson out of the lead-off spot, this team is so desperate for speed that I can't see how we can move him out of that spot.
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TheRock1525 posted... I'm not really against hitting Victor behind Cabrera. What I don't get is why you put three guys who don't have very good OBP ahead of Cabby. If it were up to me:
Jackson (he has to lead off, this team has no speed) Santiago (.360 OBP since the All-Star break) Avila (.390 OBP) Cabrera Martinez Peralta Young Whoever you want in RF (Raburn should get consideration thanks to another great second half) Betemit
I feel like that's a ton more productive lineup if you swap Avila and Martinez.
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