Board 8 > Today's gaming news - 9/13/11

(+) Yeah! (+)

About the new Stamina meter

What the hell is this crap doing in my Zelda?

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Nice catch BlAcK TuRtLe.
But too bad your ass got SAAAAAAAAAAACKED.*tackles*

Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure everyone stock dropped after Dragon Quest 10 was announced. Nintendo and Square dropped because MMO. Sony dropped because they didn't get it. Even Microsoft's dropped, somehow.

Stockholders are weird.

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

Lots going on today.

- Nintendo's Conference was last night. A few games were announced - Fire Emblem 3DS in 2012, Monster Hunter 4 coming to 3DS (this is *huge* in Japan and might seal the deal on the 3DS vs. Vita console war if Vita doesn't get it as well -- which it might), and Bravely Default: Flying Fairy. Yeah, you read that right. Thanks, Square. It looks like 4 Warriors of Light 2 got rebranded to this. There were a few others in there too. Wang did a recap post with dates if you want to know the raw details - http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60308643/671193041

Giant Bomb has a quick writeup on the whole event - http://www.giantbomb.com/news/nintendo-holds-hour-long-press-conference-to-announce-monster-hunter-4/3657/

- Frankenstick got some more details despite being conspicuously absent at the 3DS conference last night. Here's a new pic - - apparently this thing has a AAA battery and is currently compatible with multiple games - Resident Evil, MGS3DS, KH3D and more. It sounds like it's going to cost $20. If they don't do a hardware revision soon, I don't know what they're going to do. MH4 clinches it.

- Huge Skyward Sword update on neogaf with everything people know. Zelda fans can check this out because I have no damn idea what most of it means. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=444700 There's some new trailers and demos from last night in there too.

- This NOA tweet strikes me as being a Big Deal for Zelda fans - http://twitter.com/#!/NintendoAmerica/status/113472477698592768

- Four Swords is getting some new content - NES and GBA stages - to along with its free download. It's out at the end of the month.

- Nintendo's stock dropped 5% today following the conference, which makes no sense to me since they just secured their future in Japan with Monster Hunter 4 but whatever. Yahoo puts up an editorial - "Nintendo is killing itself." kekeke. http://news.yahoo.com/nintendo-killing-itself-164557665.html

- Rolento, Lili, Zangief and Heihachi confirmed for SFxT. Pics here - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=444652 - there's also a ton of supers and ultras around if you want to check them. I know EventHubs has them all if you're curious.

More Nintendo trailers -

Mario Kart 7 - http://www.gametrailers.com/video/tgs-11-mario-kart-7/720565
Super Mario 3D Land - http://www.gametrailers.com/video/tgs-11-super-mario/720564
Fire Emblem 3DS -
Rocket Slime 3 -
Monster Hunter 4 - http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/09/13/monster_hunter_4_concept_video/

Sony is tonight at midnight (not last night, sorry; midnight messes me up) It's being streamed here in English - http://tgs.playstation.jp/info/conference_en/

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I forgot to add this - http://twitter.com/#!/NintendoAmerica/status/113472477698592768 - seemed like it deserved its own coverage

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ooh, master quest from the get go.

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Nice catch BlAcK TuRtLe.
But too bad your ass got SAAAAAAAAAAACKED.*tackles*

That Yahoo article is stupid.

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KamikazePotato posted...
Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure everyone stock dropped after Dragon Quest 10 was announced. Nintendo and Square dropped because MMO. Sony dropped because they didn't get it. Even Microsoft's dropped, somehow.

Stockholders are weird.

This is actually true.

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- Nintendo's stock dropped 5% today following the conference, which makes no sense to me since they just secured their future in Japan with Monster Hunter 4 but whatever. Yahoo puts up an editorial - "Nintendo is killing itself." kekeke. http://news.yahoo.com/nintendo-killing-itself-164557665.html

I hate to say it, but Japan doesn't really matter much on the global scale these days compared to the sales you can get out of the West. They kinda messed up when it comes to the Western market in last nights presser.

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Japan hates MMO's that aren't Monster Hunter

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Nice catch BlAcK TuRtLe.
But too bad your ass got SAAAAAAAAAAACKED.*tackles*

Also this really scares me if it has a single bit of truth in it:

"Not only has Nintendo not segued onto hipper platforms, but the company hasn't developed the types of games people play now-a-days. "Analysts and investors dismissed the line-up as lackluster and largely irrelevant in the face of cheap or free games played on the likes of Apple's iPhone and iPad and Google-powered Android devices," continues Reynolds. The whole gaming scene has gotten less expensive and more social--Nintendo hasn't adapted."

Does everything need to be Iphone or mobile gaming now? Are people not interested in games with actual meat to them?

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The frankenstick( That's what it's being called now?) isn't as big as it seems when put into perspective.

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I hate to say it, but Japan doesn't really matter much on the global scale these days compared to the sales you can get out of the West. They kinda messed up when it comes to the Western market in last nights presser.

this. Even though gaming sales for the past few years arent quite as high in the west as they were back in like 07/08, the western market >>>>>>>>>> japan in money potential these days

I would agree if we weren't talking about Monster Hunter

that game singlehandedly saved the PSP in Japan

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Sony's conference should hopefully be good. I believe Sony posted on Twitter last night - 'tomorrow is our turn!' - after the Nintendo conference. Need some announcements.

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FateStayAlbion posted...
Also this really scares me if it has a single bit of truth in it:

"Not only has Nintendo not segued onto hipper platforms, but the company hasn't developed the types of games people play now-a-days. "Analysts and investors dismissed the line-up as lackluster and largely irrelevant in the face of cheap or free games played on the likes of Apple's iPhone and iPad and Google-powered Android devices," continues Reynolds. The whole gaming scene has gotten less expensive and more social--Nintendo hasn't adapted."

Does everything need to be Iphone or mobile gaming now? Are people not interested in games with actual meat to them?

I really hate this argument simply because... I just don't see it being that big of a deal. Yeah, the cell phone is evolving beyond having Tetris and Snake clones, but I don't see them posing a danger to portable gaming any more than flash games damaged PC gaming. Which is to say not at all.

All this means is that you might have to mark down the hardware and put more effort into your software. Games like Fire Emblem will do about as well as one would expect accounting for hardware sales, while a game like Tetris 3D would bomb out.

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"Not only has Nintendo not segued onto hipper platforms, but the company hasn't developed the types of games people play now-a-days. "Analysts and investors dismissed the line-up as lackluster and largely irrelevant in the face of cheap or free games played on the likes of Apple's iPhone and iPad and Google-powered Android devices," continues Reynolds. The whole gaming scene has gotten less expensive and more social--Nintendo hasn't adapted."

I really hope Yahoo is just out of touch with gaming and this isn't true, because if garbage like Farmville, Mobsters and Angry Birds are the future of gaming, than I just lost my favorite hobby.

Also, calling a new Mario game irrelevant. LOL

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FateStayAlbion posted...
- Nintendo's stock dropped 5% today following the conference, which makes no sense to me since they just secured their future in Japan with Monster Hunter 4 but whatever. Yahoo puts up an editorial - "Nintendo is killing itself." kekeke. http://news.yahoo.com/nintendo-killing-itself-164557665.html

I hate to say it, but Japan doesn't really matter much on the global scale these days compared to the sales you can get out of the West. They kinda messed up when it comes to the Western market in last nights presser.

The conference was obviously designed to be geared towards Japanese audiences. It was spoken in Japanese. It was BEFORE Tokyo Game Show.

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All this means is that you might have to mark down the hardware and put more effort into your software. Games like Fire Emblem will do about as well as one would expect accounting for hardware sales, while a game like Tetris 3D would bomb out.

it could also mean that companies see how much larger profits these iphone games make (due to much lower costs), and companies just flock to them. Meaning we see 5000 versions of angry birds and what not.

It is somewhat pathetic if iphone/ipads/androids become the leader in gaming. I dont mind them having video games by any means, but id prefer that gaming's leaders stay on systems/handhelds that have primary uses of playing video games, not cell phone/ipod/non-gaming ap smartphones. Of course i dont get to dictate the future of gaming....so i just say my opinion and move on.

Does the growing iphone industry really matter that much? I don't think it overlaps much. People who buy Nintendo games aren't going to stop buying them en masse because of Angry Birds. The 3DS is failing because of the price, poor gimmick, and lackluster library, not $1 PopCap games.

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

Does the growing iphone industry really matter that much? I don't think it overlaps much. People who buy Nintendo games aren't going to stop buying them en masse because of Angry Birds. The 3DS is failing because of the price, poor gimmick, and lackluster library, not $1 PopCap games.

It depends on who you consider Nintendo's fanbase is. The Nintendo fans-for-life, who Nintendo shunned for a few years, or the casual fanbase that Nintendo has adopted who will run in droves to pick up Angry Birds 2.

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Man, that Yahoo article is smoking the good stuff. People don't play Mario? I guess those 22 million f***in' copies NSMBWii sold must've just been a big scam, eh?

Nintendo has some serious issues, but "more farmville, less mario" definitely aint one of them.

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Does the growing iphone industry really matter that much? I don't think it overlaps much. People who buy Nintendo games aren't going to stop buying them en masse because of Angry Birds. The 3DS is failing because of the price, poor gimmick, and lackluster library, not $1 PopCap games.

its lackluster library is because all the garbage theyve released is pretty much primitive stuff that the iphones already have versions of. I agree its not an absurdly large overlap, but there is an overlap and the growing iphone industry will change gaming in many ways. Some for the better, others for worse.

iPhone games don't generate nearly the revenue and profits that consoles / portables can do. Nintendo's stock dropped mostly because it was a gamer-centric conference. There wasn't much to lure in the casual fans off the iPhone and to Nintendo's portable. They wanted Brain Trainings, Nintendogs -- stuff like that. They'd also like to see add iPhone gaming to their business to increase revenue, but Nintendo obviously won't go that route.

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I think adding their games to Iphone would hurt them more in the long run than help them. A big part of the draw of Nintendo systems is to play the Nintendo games. If you can just get them on Iphone, then 3DS would lose a lot of its demand I would imagine. Nintendo systems can't survive just on third party these days.

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On one hand Nintendo will always be Nintendo. Then you have sinking ships like Square Enix MOBILE.

I'm confident there are at least 10m "hardcore" gamers out there willing to buy meaty games on dedicated hardware. That amount should keep most devs happy.

the market has kind of changed. the Game Boy was a casual device with very simple games, for the most part. the DS thrived off of things like Brain Age and Nintendogs.

that market has moved over to dumb iphone games. because of that, portables are now for more serious gamers. why buy a $40 game when you can have a $4 that satisfies that kind of person? I think that's where the iphone hurts. portables will be fine -- at least for now -- but they're not going to have crazy sales anymore. their market has shrunk a bit.

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that market has moved over to dumb iphone games. because of that, portables are now for more serious gamers. why buy a $40 game when you can have a $4 that satisfies that kind of person? I think that's where the iphone hurts. portables will be fine -- at least for now -- but they're not going to have crazy sales anymore. their market has shrunk a bit.

Same thing applies to the consoles, the Wii in particular. The casuals have all the games they want on the IPhone, why stick around and pick up Wii Move?

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Nintendo needs games on the iPhone like Blizzard needs WoW as a Wii exclusive.

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transience posted...
the market has kind of changed. the Game Boy was a casual device with very simple games, for the most part. the DS thrived off of things like Brain Age and Nintendogs.

that market has moved over to dumb iphone games. because of that, portables are now for more serious gamers. why buy a $40 game when you can have a $4 that satisfies that kind of person? I think that's where the iphone hurts. portables will be fine -- at least for now -- but they're not going to have crazy sales anymore. their market has shrunk a bit.

This is what I'm trying to say.

The casual market that just bought the DS because of its neat little games like Nintendogs has no use for a $150~ handheld plus $40 for a game when they can just buy a similar game on their phone for a dollar. The problem is that they're still trying to use gimmicks to get the attention of the casual crowd, but that won't work because all they see is $200 vs. $1.

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3DS won't come close to the DS' lifetime sales. Different time period, different market, different expectations. That said, they just got f***ing Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter; even if I don't care about those games, there's definitely a market for those franchises. As much as I love the spectacle of 3DS' disastrous launch and ensuring panic, I'm sure it'll be fine(but not "Nintendo DS" fine).

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FateStayAlbion posted...
I think adding their games to Iphone would hurt them more in the long run than help them. A big part of the draw of Nintendo systems is to play the Nintendo games. If you can just get them on Iphone, then 3DS would lose a lot of its demand I would imagine. Nintendo systems can't survive just on third party these days.

Being able to play Mario 1 on your iPhone wouldn't be detrimental to their 3DS business. That's not even what stockholders necessarily want to see, though. Analysts have mentioned before that Nintendo should use some of its enormous reserves to buy smaller companies that would be dedicated to making iPhone / Android content, separate of Nintendo's main IPs. How much more money that would add I don't know, but it would satiate the constant criticisms.

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transience posted...
- Nintendo's stock dropped 5% today following the conference, which makes no sense to me since they just secured their future in Japan with Monster Hunter 4 but whatever. Yahoo puts up an editorial - "Nintendo is killing itself." kekeke. http://news.yahoo.com/nintendo-killing-itself-164557665.html

The speculation that I posted before was that you'd have more games out this year when the exchange rate was going to be a bit better for Nintendo profits. That speculation wasn't met yet the stock dropped less than the speculation pumped it up - makes sense.

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Is the free Four Swords online or just local wireless?

Also: I like how the color palette for the Four Swords Links is altered to match the NES/GBC stages.

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Black Turtle spilled my diet soda!

pretty sure it's just local.

I always wondered why Nintendo was taking a ton of iPhone heat when that could go for Sony and Microsoft as well.

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Sony has already laid out a plan for putting their games on Android devices. That's what the PlayStation Suite was about.

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From: transience | #035
pretty sure it's just local.

I always wondered why Nintendo was taking a ton of iPhone heat when that could go for Sony and Microsoft as well.

MS has no portable. Vita isn't going after the same market.

Not to mention that Sony's gameplan for the past six or so years wasn't targeting the most fickle base on the planet.

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I always wondered why Nintendo was taking a ton of iPhone heat when that could go for Sony and Microsoft as well.

Nintendo was the one who jumped into that casual fanbase by targeting the Wii to them. Microsoft's and Sony's main focus is towards gamers, while Nintendo's is towards that casual fanbase that Apple now has a stranglehold on.

Like I argued a month or two ago, Nintendo is in the middle of the playing field right now. While playing in the middle worked for the Wii and DS, it's now much harder to succeed there with Smartphones taking most of the casual fanbase, and third parties sticking with Sony/MSoft and therefore keeping the hardcore happy with those consoles.

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Microsoft gets plenty of iPhone heat, it's just not directed at their gaming division. It's directed at Windows Phone 7.

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MS has no portable. Vita isn't going after the same market.

I'm not sure what that has to do with buying smaller companies that can develop ios/android/wp7 games. They're not porting Mario over there.

I think this is the last true handheld generation. we're about five years away from phones that can do everything you'd want in a portable gaming device. Apple has actually allowed others to live by refusing to include buttons. if they ever go that route, or if someone can compete with apple in the smartphone space that offers a device that can do this effectively, portables may just go extinct.

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Microsoft game studios is casual heaven. I don't know where you've been the last couple of years!

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Well, that's the main point of concern, I think. It's not a matter of 'will Nintendo survive,' but more of 'will Nintendo continue to see growth as a company.' That's where this is most likely rooted, and why there's so many doom and gloom articles. It's the idea that Nintendo has peaked with the Wii and DS, and there's no place to go but down, with little sign of something changing that inevitability..

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FateStayAlbion posted...
Microsoft especially (their gaming division at least) has targeted the most hardcore gamers this generation,





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transience posted...
MS has no portable. Vita isn't going after the same market.

I'm not sure what that has to do with buying smaller companies that can develop ios/android/wp7 games. They're not porting Mario over there.

I think this is the last true handheld generation. we're about five years away from phones that can do everything you'd want in a portable gaming device. Apple has actually allowed others to live by refusing to include buttons. if they ever go that route, or if someone can compete with apple in the smartphone space that offers a device that can do this effectively, portables may just go extinct.

I'm with you half-way, but not all the way. I know companies already make controller products for phone/pad products, but I do think the phone is still viewed as a phone proper such that you still have a proper and separate gaming market for it. I think the environment a gamer prefers is still suited towards the DS design. Plus, while young people have phones, I think handheld gaming still goes younger. Battery life is important - I wouldn't want my phone to be my handheld gaming device and I have a hard time seeing that change. 10 minutes of Angry Birds on the train is different than hours of Mario/Pokemon. I'm just saying... there are obstacles still.

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MS has had a broad approach this gen, but the main goal has been to infect the mind of the casual consumer. They desperately want people to associate "Xbox" with "video games" the same way "iPod" is associated with "music". That's been pretty much the stated goal during the 360 generation, though we can't ignore XBLA and other pursuits (Mistwalker for one) that are certainly aimed at a more typical gamer audience.

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