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Justin_Crossing
08/27/11 1:20:00 AM
#251:


I refuse to believe that Annie is a stronger champion than Brand. Absolutely refuse.

I am 17-3 with Brand in ranked and I am not a super fantastic player. My KDA is 5.5 after 20 games with him in ranked.

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08/27/11 1:21:00 AM
#252:


Is Garen useful and fun after his buffs? I still haven't seen many.

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Justin_Crossing
08/27/11 1:22:00 AM
#253:


From: Anagram | #252
Is Garen useful and fun after his buffs? I still haven't seen many.


If you are a solo top garen and you lose to a melee solo top you are doing it wrong.

Solo top garen is OP.

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red13n
08/27/11 1:28:00 AM
#254:


I refuse to believe that Annie is a stronger champion than Brand. Absolutely refuse.

Annie is simply easier to play. If I see someone on my team pick an AP carry, I'd rather see them pick annie than anybody else. If I see an opponent, I'd rather seem them pick things that arent annie(As long as its not Kassadin).

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Justin_Crossing
08/27/11 2:46:00 AM
#255:


Started 1488:

[Loss] Alistar SCORE OMMITTED **** (Solo)
[Loss] Jarvan 2-7-6 (Solo)
[Victory] Garen 7-3-13 (With Brother)
[Loss] Ashe 0-2-1 (With Brother)
[Victory] Brand 5-6-12 (Against Brother LOL)
[Loss] Yorick 3-5-3 (Solo. This team. Was. So. Bad. Only lost 6 elo though because their team had a 1740 player)
[Victory] Brand 10-5-18 (Solo)
[Victory] Brand 8-4-12 (Solo)

End: 1494 (-26)

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Justin_Crossing
08/27/11 2:50:00 AM
#256:


From: red13n | #254
I refuse to believe that Annie is a stronger champion than Brand. Absolutely refuse.

Annie is simply easier to play. If I see someone on my team pick an AP carry, I'd rather see them pick annie than anybody else. If I see an opponent, I'd rather seem them pick things that arent annie(As long as its not Kassadin).


As long as you agree that a skilled Brand > a skilled Annie (and Ori > Annie obviously).

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Silver_Ermine
08/27/11 3:13:00 AM
#257:


Justin_Crossing posted...
From: red13n | #254
I refuse to believe that Annie is a stronger champion than Brand. Absolutely refuse.

Annie is simply easier to play. If I see someone on my team pick an AP carry, I'd rather see them pick annie than anybody else. If I see an opponent, I'd rather seem them pick things that arent annie(As long as its not Kassadin).
As long as you agree that a skilled Brand > a skilled Annie (and Ori > Annie obviously).


JC. Red and FD have just been plagued with having the worst Brands ever on their team so that's probably why he's saying that lol.

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Biolizard28
08/27/11 8:30:00 AM
#258:


Annie's problem, in my opinion, is the same as Mordekaiser's. Both have a nearly nonexistent learning curve, but both are insanely effective regardless of that. Not to say that neither of them have any weaknesses, but their strengths are often too much to ignore.

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Aecioo
08/27/11 9:05:00 AM
#259:


Anagram posted...
Is Garen useful and fun after his buffs? I still haven't seen many.

I've been running solo top Garen very effectively recently. He wins almost every 1v1 matchup and does decent in 2v1s.

The problem is that he doesn't scale nearly as great into the late game as some other champs, so you have to win early, or waste 40 minutes of your time after getting fed 10 kills (yeah I'm still pissed about that game... you guys know who you are)

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lordjers
08/27/11 9:09:00 AM
#260:


Expert...in Annie....?

Q minion low at health

Repeat 4 more times


Most annie will fail to last hit and lose mana.

Stun+W enemy champion

Smart enemies would not fall for this. Bad Annies will just eat minion aggro trying to chase the enemy.

Repeat Until Level 6
Flash Q W R Ignite


If they failed the steps above, they won't burst down the enemy. Yeah contrary to popular belief, it's unlikely Annie would single burst down her mid opponent from full health.

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Aecioo
08/27/11 9:11:00 AM
#261:


Most Annies would miss her Q?

Are we talking about in level 1-10 play?

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Silverliner182V
08/27/11 9:41:00 AM
#262:


Brand and Anivia actually require intelligence to play. There's a certain order and finesse required to master them.

Annie is the easiest hero to play. She is arguably better than Brand or Anivia anyways. She is so easy that even Riot's cockroach intelligence AIs can play her. She has the finesse and power of a dirty bomb. You barge in, drop her on the enemy team, and win. No skill required.

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Gwindor
08/27/11 9:44:00 AM
#263:


I really don't appreciate the Annie hate =/

Brand has better damage and range anyway.

Edit: Also, lol at people that die to Annie bot. All she ever does is feed lololol

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Biolizard28
08/27/11 9:53:00 AM
#264:


I think what pushes Annie over the top are her Q and passive.

It's one thing to have good lane sustainability and mana refunds/regen, but a full refund on a nuke?

It's one thing to have a stun, but a stun attached to that nuke? And two AoE stuns?

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VincentLauw
08/27/11 10:01:00 AM
#265:


I may be a noob but I don't see what's bad about a hero with an easy learning curve that you're pretty good with from the start. It keeps people playing because they can actually do something even when they're still bad, making them better and either they keep playing with Annie and get better with her or they move on to other champions they find more suiting for them. It's not like Annie is unbeatable, she's just an easy step in champion.

That's what I think anyway, but who cares what I think I'm still like lvl 8 or something and Annie's one of my favourite champions. >_>

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Gwindor
08/27/11 10:07:00 AM
#266:


honestly

it's harder to play Annie than Karthus =(

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TheConductorSix
08/27/11 10:29:00 AM
#267:


The problem lies in that character falling into the hands of someone who ISN'T NEW. I've developed a fondness for AP Carrys and Annie is by far the easiest one. Anivia stun requires skill. Brand stun requires skill. Annie just casts a free spell every 3 seconds then unloads. Once she hits 6 she just sits on your minions side and dares you to last hit. Flash Q comes out before you can Flash and you're dead. I don't enjoy using her because frankly she's so easy that she's boring. In other news, me and Sytha are leveling up Villainous Mr Bucket with our smurfs. Currently level ten if anyone wants to join us.

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Biolizard28
08/27/11 10:32:00 AM
#268:


I would if I wasn't so busy trying to get my free runes.

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TheConductorSix
08/27/11 10:34:00 AM
#269:


Don't know why I don't see more Kassadins. That guy's early game kinda blows but once he hits 6 he just dominates spell spammers like Annie because they feed his E. With perfect timing I can get my stun off but he'll silence me at the same time so the combo dies there.

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Peace___Frog
08/27/11 10:44:00 AM
#270:


Kassadin can't poke nearly as well as other AP carries can. He needs to be in your face, and most AP carries tend to be rather squishy (unless fed).

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Biolizard28
08/27/11 11:47:00 AM
#271:


Is Wriggles on Talon a good idea?

It's been working out pretty well for me.

My build, btw

Start cloth armor, five health pots (Work with me here)

First back, aim for boots and Wriggles. If you can't, just prioritize boots and buy materials for Razor or Wriggles.

Next trip back, null-magic mantle and Brutalizer. If rich enough, make your Merc Treads.

Make Youmuu's and BT as soon as possible.

After that, I just buy whatever defensive items make sense. If I'm extremely rich, I might go for Triforce, but that's never happened yet.

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BlAcK TuRtLe
08/27/11 12:34:00 PM
#272:


My friend got me into LoL a couple of weeks ago. I was pretty big into DotA, but was really turned off on the spinoff games by how crappy HoN was.

I'm a big fan of Maokai right now, he reminds me kinda of Tree in DotA.

Anyways, any tips for somewhat noobs looking for good heroes to play?

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KanzarisKelshen
08/27/11 12:42:00 PM
#273:


Biolizard28 posted...
Is Wriggles on Talon a good idea?

It's been working out pretty well for me.

My build, btw

Start cloth armor, five health pots (Work with me here)

First back, aim for boots and Wriggles. If you can't, just prioritize boots and buy materials for Razor or Wriggles.

Next trip back, null-magic mantle and Brutalizer. If rich enough, make your Merc Treads.

Make Youmuu's and BT as soon as possible.

After that, I just buy whatever defensive items make sense. If I'm extremely rich, I might go for Triforce, but that's never happened yet.


Wrigs good, Youmuu bad, Brut pro, get triforce. That's the size of it.

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Megaman703
08/27/11 4:04:00 PM
#274:


Is there a list of champs that will be on sale in the near future? If not, how many days in advance are sale notices put up?

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SythaWarrior
08/27/11 4:31:00 PM
#275:


Couple days before. Normally the Wednesday before.

Somewhere in this topic I have a list of every sale they've done so far and you can kinda guess with some accuracy who will be coming up. I know Lee Sin will be on Sale in 2 weeks.

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Heroic_CactObo
08/27/11 4:34:00 PM
#276:


is it true that shen is getting some buffs soon?

if so "lol"

that is the very same "lol" I "lol"d when they buffed ryze's early game for no reason even when I was wrecking with him without it
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KanzarisKelshen
08/27/11 4:36:00 PM
#277:


Heroic_CactObo posted...
is it true that shen is getting some buffs soon?

if so "lol"

that is the very same "lol" I "lol"d when they buffed ryze's early game for no reason even when I was wrecking with him without it


Yes and he needs them, The Ki Strike change wrecked his **** and his ult is super bad at level 1. When your ult more than DOUBLES in value with a rank up on top of shaving 30 seconds off the CD you know something's off.

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Frostswamp
08/27/11 4:55:00 PM
#278:


Red is streaming ranked duo qued with Chris

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Biolizard28
08/27/11 4:56:00 PM
#279:


Shen is pretty much the worst tank in the game right now. He's in desperate need of some help.

Granted, he's not bottom five.

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Heroic_CactObo
08/27/11 5:08:00 PM
#280:


then how do I wreck faces with him in 4 out of 5 games? I think he's pretty good.
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Justin_Crossing
08/27/11 6:14:00 PM
#281:


Start: 1494

[Victory] Cho'gath 2-0-4 (Solo)
[Victory] Ashe 3-1-9 (Solo)

End: 1520 (-0)

Hooray!

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Silverliner182V
08/27/11 7:26:00 PM
#282:


hey ermine once you get your alt to 30 we should duo queue to get up to gold

I got JC up there but my main's at like 1465, solo queuing is too unreliable imo.

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Anagram
08/27/11 10:35:00 PM
#283:


Game 1
Mid MF versus Ezreal

I'm too good at dodging skillshots, he's too defensive to do anything but poke
Neither of us even have to use our potions
I end up with more minions killed, but neither of us accomplish anything at all
Feelsadequatebro

Game 2
Annie, Zilean, Teemo, and Jarvan are instant selected, leaving me wondering what I should do.

"Jarvan, you going tank or AD?"
"I'm jungling."
Look, and see that he does indeed have smite.

Queue Dodge hoooooooo

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KanzarisKelshen
08/27/11 11:19:00 PM
#284:


Did you dodge anagram

This is important.

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Justin_Crossing
08/27/11 11:31:00 PM
#285:


From: Silverliner182V | #282
hey ermine once you get your alt to 30 we should duo queue to get up to gold

I got JC up there but my main's at like 1465, solo queuing is too unreliable imo.


play cho'gath

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Anagram
08/28/11 1:02:00 AM
#286:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
Did you dodge anagram

This is important.


You know it.

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KommunistKoala
08/28/11 3:48:00 PM
#287:


So I'm thinking my first hero I purchase will be Veigar, unless there's a better Veigar-like character if I save my money longer.

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Biolizard28
08/28/11 3:50:00 PM
#288:


Veigar's a pretty good choice for a beginner. Teaches last hitting, hits like a truck.

It will do you well to learn him.

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Biolizard28
08/28/11 3:51:00 PM
#289:


Also, queue dodging jungle Jarvan is a terrible idea. He's not the best jungler in the world, but he's viable.

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Silver_Ermine
08/28/11 3:54:00 PM
#290:


I was playing Twitch on my alt and when I auto lock right away, one of our teammates insta locks eve with revive rally.

"I'm trolling because we have twitch"

"I'm on my alt and I am like mid 1600s ranked as a Twitch main"

"Oh **** sorry, I'll dodge" *dodges game*.

lol

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Biolizard28
08/28/11 3:56:00 PM
#291:


People give Twitch way too much crap.

Granted, I've never actually played with a Twitch that wasn't Ermine, but from what I've heard he can get the job done.

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Silver_Ermine
08/28/11 3:58:00 PM
#292:


Biolizard28 posted...
People give Twitch way too much crap.

Granted, I've never actually played with a Twitch that wasn't Ermine, but from what I've heard he can get the job done.


You can sum Twitch up like this.

Worst early game in the history of early games.

Best late game in the history of late games.

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KanzarisKelshen
08/28/11 4:06:00 PM
#293:


Anagram posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Did you dodge anagram

This is important.

You know it.


Bang head against wall now. Jarvan is a perfectly serviceable jungler.

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Heroic_CactObo
08/28/11 4:39:00 PM
#294:


twitch is one of those champs that I have literally not seen since I hit level 30
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Daranix
08/28/11 4:54:00 PM
#295:


LoL broke.

I blame JC.

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Justin_Crossing
08/28/11 4:54:00 PM
#296:


no it broke for me toooo

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08/28/11 4:55:00 PM
#297:


Alright then, fine. I messed up.

I still don't feel bad about leaving that game. Another guy complained when I chose Leona (I didn't mention that part), saying she sucks.

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Daranix
08/28/11 4:55:00 PM
#298:


That does not absolve you of guilt!

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Biolizard28
08/28/11 5:12:00 PM
#299:


Anagram posted...
Alright then, fine. I messed up.

I still don't feel bad about leaving that game. Another guy complained when I chose Leona (I didn't mention that part), saying she sucks.


Well...

Leona (barring my recent purchase of OPianna who I adore with all my stuff) is the only champion I paid full price for, so I have a ton of faith in her abilities. I still acknowledge that her spot in the metagame is to be Amumu when Amumu is banned because Amumu is stupid good. She doesn't suck, she's just not OP.

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Justin_Crossing
08/28/11 5:37:00 PM
#300:


It's not so much that she's bad it's just that she doesn't fit in the metagame too well.

Solo top? Lots of better options who use the farm better.

Support tank bot? Alistar's your man with a crazy heal and lots of CC.

Leona/Ranged AD bot is a lot stronger now because of the support nerfs, though.

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