Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Yuri/Lu Bu vs Crash, Jake, Hotsuma, Nightmare, The Prince

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Yuri/Lu Bu has challenged Crash, Jake, Hotsuma, Nightmare, and The Prince to a fight! Location of the fight: Arena: A square arena with a smooth surface and some dirt. Though this is part of a full stadium access to the seats is banned, leaving most of the fighting to be held on the ground floor.. Which side will win?



Guidelines

- The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.

- The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle.

- "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion.

- There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.



Rules for Voting

- Bold your votes (using <b> and </b>).

- Provide a justification for why you think the selected team would win. Fanboy logic, ignoring character assumptions or rules, and vague or unintelligible justifications are all grounds for having your vote disqualified.

- If you want to switch your votes simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish.

- This match will end when one side reaches 7 votes, or in 6 hours, whichever comes first.




Yuri Hyuga is as he appears in Shadow Hearts: Covenant. He has access to all of his fusions including Neo Amon and Dark Seraphim, though his healing moves may not revive anyone. All his fusions are fully upgraded, and he begins in his Dark Seraphim form.

Lu Bu is as seen in the Dynasty Warriors series, specifically in his Dynasty Warriors 6 form, though there's no invincibility here. He has all the movesets to all his weapons, begins with full Musou, has his skill tree complete, and has access to one use of his Special mode, Swift Attack, which he may use whenever he chooses. Lu BU also has one time access to his Fury Mode, seen in Dynatsy Warriors Strikeforce. Lu Bu is armed with Sky Piercer with the Lightning Element as seen in DW6, in addition to his Sky Scorcher from DW1-5, with the Light Element orb attached. Lastly, he’s also carrying Huang’s Bow from Dynasty Warriors 3-5, and has plenty of both regular and fire arrows.

Yuri and Lu Bu have fused, creating one fighter with the best attributes and abilities of both. Additionally, the fused form has halved casting time for offensive magic, as well as double power for offensive magic. The fused form also has been granted Vampire Immunities from Dracula, it can only be harmed with strikes to the heart or head.

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Crash Bandicoot is as seen in the various Crash incarnations. He has access to all his regular abilities, including his Wumpa Fruit Bazooka. Aku Aku is currently at level 3 - Crash grabs the mask and becomes Super Crash, Mercs version. Crash will have all his parameters doubled in combat on this day.

Jake Armitage is as he appears in Shadowrun, with maximum possible stats and all cyberware upgrades. He brings to battle his Ruger Warhawk pistol, Defiance T-250 shotgun, Uzi III SMG, HK227 assault rifle, AS7 Assault Cannon, full body suit, and all his spells.

Nightmare appears as he does in Soul Calibur IV, with Soul Edge (Final Form) equipped. He cannot use his Critical Finish.

Hotsuma is as he appears in Nightshade. He has access to his best equipment, all his magic and techniques, and as many shurikens as possible. He isn't ever invulnerable however, and no, Akujiki won't be trying to take his soul in the fight.

The Prince is as he appears in the Prince of Persia series. The Time powers he has are those from Warriors Within, and he has 10 non-refillable sand slots. He may freely turn into and from the Dark Prince, as seen in The Two Thrones, and will not suffer from its life-draining effect. He also has all the powers gained from The Forgotten Sand (PS3/360 versions) save for The Power of Time and Memory.

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Not only is this a five-on-one match, but the dynamics of the match greatly favor the team with numbers advantage.

(1) Both Jake and Hotsuma have ways to stun/immobilize the enemy: Jake has his insta-cast Freeze spell (powerful enough to hold a 20-foot dragon in place), and Hotsuma has his special shuriken blitz that stuns. This is game-breaking in a many-vs-one fight. If Lu Seraphim is stunned, then it's open season on him, and he's likely not recovering from that.

(2) Prince has time rewind hax. It's possible that Jake/Hotsuma don't manage to get the jump on Lu Seraphim the first time -- but they get to try again and again. They only need one successful opening assault out of many in order to take the match. Lu Seraphim, on the other hand, has to go perfect in order to win. The odds are stacked against him.


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Team Yuri/Lu Bu Argument:

Dark Seraphim single handedly destroyed the entire city of Shanghai. No seriously, the entire city was nuked. Gone. For those of you who haven’t played Shadow Hearts (which I’m assuming is all of you), Dark Seraphim is basically a form that Yuri transforms into that gives him additional powers and magic and such. While unfortunately I can’t find a video of him in Dark Seraphim form, here’s a video of him in Amon form (His second level form). . He destroys an airship by himself, and you know the best part? This is a form that is actually fair to enemies since it’s not ridiculously overpowered. His forms go like this: Base Yuri -> Amon -> Neo Amon -> Dark Seraphim. Considering its obvious a giant increase in power occurs for every step up, it’s easy to see how Dark Seraphim was able to effortlessly take out an entire city. This is the dude who is fused with Lu Bu, taking the best qualities of each. So this is literally an even MORE enhanced version of a “broken destroys everything” character, with a very special ability added by one Lu Bu: A one time use of Fury Mode, which raises his parameters even MORE and lets him wreck shop. Oh, and his Musou limit break, but who cares about silly things like ground combat?


However, I delved into backstory way more than necessary. Dark Seraphim Lu (hereby referred to as “Darklu”) has the ability to fly. None of Crash, Jake, Hotsuma, Nightmare, or Prince do. In fact, only Jake even has the ability to fight at a range. He merely needs to fly up, and rain down his magic on the 5 other poor souls he’s in combat with. The same magic he used to destroy the entire city of Shanghai. Actually no, not the same magic. Magic he can cast twice as quickly that’s twice as powerful. Darklu isn’t even in danger of being hit as the fight starts, as he starts 50 feet away and can (and will) immediately go airborne out of reach. And when I say airborne out of reach, I mean OUT OF REACH. Like, he’s chilling with Angels he’s so high. Good luck to Jake to hit him from that range! (and even if he does, this dude is a ****ing tank). And even if he wasn’t a tank, he can literally only be hurt by hits to his head or heart.


For those Super Curious what Dark Seraphim’s in game moves are, heres a selected pool of them. “For Everyone…” gives a boost to –all- stats on his team, “For Tomorrow..” Siphons HP from the enemy and gives it to everyone on his team, “For the Child…” hurls balls of destruction down on his enemies (oh hey sounds useful). Now, In game mechanics don’t really apply, but “For the Child…” naturally targets EVERY enemy on the field, regardless of where they are in game. This is drastically different from typical areas of effect in the game, which are similar to Final Fantasy Tactics using magic or something. For a brief comparison, see this video: . the spell she’s casting in the orange circle around the enemy, which obvious doesn’t even begin to cover the battlefield. If she were an awesome person like Darklu, everything would be selected.


So that was super long, here’s an abridged version: Darklu flies super high, nukes the ground. Can only be hurt by blows to the Heart or Head, only one of his opponents could have hit him anyway. If he gets hurt, he can siphon hp from them. He won’t, since he’ll just nuke them dead. They have nowhere to hide from this. Casts super strong magic anyway, has double strength. And halved casting time. And Fury Mode to make everything even better.

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The Boss

Five on one doesn't really matter when the one is the destroyer of worlds and stuff. I see no way anyone on the opposing team can harm this disgusting monster in a small arena. It just smashes everything in, like, thirty seconds flat.

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Dark Seraphim is one of Yuri's transformations that he uses frequently in battle, and he doesn't cause massive collateral damage to the surroundings when he does so. He's certainly a good summon, and Yuri's best, but in terms of his consistent in-battle showings he's nowhere near that level of power.

Now I'm reminiscing about an old MPFC match where some people were hyping Isaac being able to nuke continents, and snowcampsoldier saying, "If he nukes continents every time he casts spells, why isn't he the villain?" The answer, of course, is that Isaac doesn't, and likewise Yuri isn't wrecking cities every time he decides to bust out the Dark Seraphim.

Darklu isn’t even in danger of being hit as the fight starts, as he starts 50 feet away and can (and will) immediately go airborne out of reach.

Not if he's stunned. Which is a very real possibility, due to Jake/Hotsuma. Hotsuma in particular is a speed demon made for quickly closing distance:


Moreover, if Darklu is airborne when Jake hits him with a freeze, he's going to come crashing to the ground. Quite dangerous to be rendered immobile while airborne.

And when I say airborne out of reach, I mean OUT OF REACH. Like, he’s chilling with Angels he’s so high.

Although the terrain doesn't state whether or not there's a roof, it implies that there's limited airspace when it says "most of the fighting to be held on the ground floor." It also makes sense for there to be a roof because the spirit of the ability is an up-close-and-personal battle with Lu Bu. Admittedly, your mileage may vary on this one.


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Prince has time rewind hax. It's possible that Jake/Hotsuma don't manage to get the jump on Lu Seraphim the first time -- but they get to try again and again. They only need one successful opening assault out of many in order to take the match. Lu Seraphim, on the other hand, has to go perfect in order to win. The odds are stacked against him.

I'm pretty sure that the Prince's time rewind only changes in regards to the Prince. If he did the same thing as before, so would everyone else. Only by doing something different himself can he alter what happens.

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Yuri Bu. Sorry, but that's one ridiculous monster there, that as noted, pretty much only needs to fly up (ordinarily gunnery would help with that, but not when you have to be precise enough to hit the head or heart just to hurt him. And all they have on that front is Jake, who is nice, but not that nice)

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I'm pretty sure that the Prince's time rewind only changes in regards to the Prince. If he did the same thing as before, so would everyone else. Only by doing something different himself can he alter what happens.

That's a fair interpretation, but in that case he could change things by changing his own actions.


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Jake's ice spell really is a nonissue, as it's easily dodgable solely by moving. The dragon he restrains in game literally sits still anyway. Hotsuma's stun also isn't an issue, as activating Fury Mode has been show to knock out walls just by activating, which Darklu will do immediately into the fight. This would easily knock aside Hotsuma/His Shuriken

Even assuming limited airspace, that still greatly reduces his chances of getting hit (especially with only two vulnerable areas anyway), and there is no avoided his quick super powerful attacks.

I'll get some videos showcasing what I mean as soon as youtube will load for me <_<

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Not convinced Dark Seralu can win this. Drak has a point about Freeze - the dragon is actually way bigger than he thinks he is (20 feet? Try 20 meters), and he's a part of a species of insanely powerful beings. Greater dracoforms are described as being able to tank a nuke and survive, so if Freeze can affect it I see no reason it couldn't freeze Dark Seralu. Call it gameplay mechanics, but the way that dragon is presented makes lots of sense within Jake's universe - you need to summon a ludicrously poweful spirit to drain most of its health away to have a chance to defeat it, and it still is the toughest enemy in the game afterward.

What I'm not entirely convinced by is whether the team can harm it, though. Sure, it's frozen, but what of it? It's still an incredible powerful being, and killing it will take some serious firepower. What's the best Team Cursed Swords can bring to bear?

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Jake's ice spell really is a nonissue, as it's easily dodgable solely by moving.

Can Dark Seraphim cast while moving? From the videos I've seen, he flies up in a rather leisurely fashion, spends a couple seconds charging up, then casts while hovering essentially motionless in mid-air.

Hotsuma's stun also isn't an issue, as activating Fury Mode has been show to knock out walls just by activating, which Darklu will do immediately into the fight.

Being stunned is more of a mental thing, to my understanding. Definitely not analogous to a physical barrier. Like, you can be strong enough to knock down a house, but if you're stunned, it's not a matter of being physically powerful enough to break through the stun.


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What I meant with Hotsuma was he won't get the stun attack out - he comes in to do it, Darklu activates a giant shockwave which will forcibly knock hotsuma and the attack back.

And even if it takes Darklu a couple seconds to cast normally, he can now cast in half that time. Considering this fight can end in a few seconds, Jake really doesn't have a lot of chance to freeze darklu here.

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Found a picture of Dark Seraphim. His wings in particular are feathery and very light.


I can't imagine those things having any kind of durability. He won't have airborne capabilities for very long.


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...he can't be hurt anywhere other than the heart or head

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I'm not so much talking about injury as about freezing -- frozen wings are going to make it impossible for him to get off the ground (if you don't see him being immobilized completely, of course).


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1) Freeze is the most immensely avoidable spell in the history of spells. Goddamn Jake can avoid it, if I'm remembering correctly; Dark Seraphim would have no problems doing so.

2) Stun is mostly negligible even assuming Hotsuma could hit him with it. Yuri, in the very beginning of SH2, long before obtaining power on the scale of Dark Seraphim takes an item called the Mistletoe to his heart -- this being an explicitly anti-Yuri holy artifact and, while weakened, still is able to fight.

3) Kan: There is a very large difference between being able to tank a nuke and able to avoid being frozen. They're not the same thing. You can have nigh impervious skin and still be vulnerable to being frozen solid. Not to mention the dragon Jake does use this own is nowhere near that level, and he's taken out by gunfire.

4) Isaac is a different case than Dark Seraphim because he has no canon supporting his ability to create such large scale destruction. It's unreasonable -- and mechanicy -- to assume that because the terrain isn't utterly destroyed post-battle in an RPG, that he has no such power, particularly since Dark Seraphim has destroyed the entire city of shanghair.

5) Calling out his wings are you ****ing serious xfd - Y'know, looking at Bryan Fury, I wouldn't expect him to be able to take a tank shell and live to tell about it!

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Goddamn Jake can avoid it, if I'm remembering correctly; Dark Seraphim would have no problems doing so.

Jake has wired reflexes as one of his cyberware upgrades. He is built for speed and evasion against enemies with heavy automatic fire. By contrast, as far as I know, Dark Seraphim is no speedster. At least judging by the videos I've seen, he's rather leisurely in his motions -- charging up, flying, charging up again, firing his magic. Based on that I'd say that evidence points to Jake being better at dodging than Dark Seraphim.

Yuri, in the very beginning of SH2, long before obtaining power on the scale of Dark Seraphim takes an item called the Mistletoe to his heart -- this being an explicitly anti-Yuri holy artifact and, while weakened, still is able to fight.

I'm not sure how being able to overcome a weakness to holy is analogous to being able to avoid being stunned. Hotsuma's stun doesn't function through holy magic.

Calling out his wings are you ****ing serious xfd - Y'know, looking at Bryan Fury, I wouldn't expect him to be able to take a tank shell and live to tell about it!

Fury has durability feats that show he is considerably more durable than he looks. Do Dark Seraphim's wings have durability feats? I'm guessing not, because if they did, you would have provided them instead of simply laughing.


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Yuri Bu looks to be an absolute monster, no way can anyone on the other team take this incredible beast of a fight down.

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Dark Seraphim is one of Yuri's transformations that he uses frequently in battle, and he doesn't cause massive collateral damage to the surroundings when he does so.

Well yeah, he's actually got control of the damn thing (unlike in Shanghai) and doesn't actually want to kill all his friends when he transforms.

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1) Freeze is the most immensely avoidable spell in the history of spells. Goddamn Jake can avoid it, if I'm remembering correctly; Dark Seraphim would have no problems doing so.

2) Stun is mostly negligible even assuming Hotsuma could hit him with it. Yuri, in the very beginning of SH2, long before obtaining power on the scale of Dark Seraphim takes an item called the Mistletoe to his heart -- this being an explicitly anti-Yuri holy artifact and, while weakened, still is able to fight.

3) Kan: There is a very large difference between being able to tank a nuke and able to avoid being frozen. They're not the same thing. You can have nigh impervious skin and still be vulnerable to being frozen solid. Not to mention the dragon Jake does use this own is nowhere near that level, and he's taken out by gunfire.

4) Isaac is a different case than Dark Seraphim because he has no canon supporting his ability to create such large scale destruction. It's unreasonable -- and mechanicy -- to assume that because the terrain isn't utterly destroyed post-battle in an RPG, that he has no such power, particularly since Dark Seraphim has destroyed the entire city of shanghair.

5) Calling out his wings are you ****ing serious xfd - Y'know, looking at Bryan Fury, I wouldn't expect him to be able to take a tank shell and live to tell about it!

The dragon either doubles or quadruples the next most powerful enemy in HP totals, has by far the most powerful attack, gives you a crapload of XP, etc. etc. etc. He's a bonus boss, and he's definitely a greater dragon. Maybe a younger one, I haven't checked if it's mentioned it's not ancient, but you don't mess with it if you don't have the spirit charm that lets you drain him to hell. Sure, he dies to gunfire, but since it happens after a godlike spirit blasts it, that isn't as much of a knock as you would believe.

Further...if I'm not mistaken, this is the cannon Jake uses:

"The Panther Assault Cannon, designed and produced by Panther Industries, is your only choice for heavy assault weapon. Firing a stable superplast explosive warhead, the Panther has proven effective against both hard and soft targets. Comes with shoulder-strap and hip-bracing gear for stable hip-fire. The Panther fires specialized 25mm HV grenades with a double-sized propellant charge. Impact from one of these grenades deals 2D6 damage beyond the normal damage for such a round. Rounds also cost 2.5x the normal cost for 25mm grenades."

That's pretty strong for a portable weapon. Certainly not like it's pistol fire. And if that isn't the cannon, it's a gauss weapon - arguably even more impressive, but I figured this fits the bill better.

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Actually, the video I posted earlier DOES show wing durability feats!



His wings clearly take gunfire damage around 1:35 or so (and even spins around as its nothing), and his wings clearly are right in the middle of all the debris caused by him destroying the airship. This is Amon and not Dark Seraphim of course, but as Dark Seraphim is an upgrade in every way (twice), this should easily count as a "feat".


Also, he has no friends here to worry about!

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Jake's gun is an Enfield AS-7, not a Panther (no, I don't know what the difference is)

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For an example on Dark Seraphim, it's originated from his fusion with a god, which ended up annihilating Shanghai, China within moments while being held back by Yuri. The sheer amount of power it can simply unleash is pretty ridiculous, especially by the time he can actually control the Seraphim. For a video of what even a subdued Seraphim can do:



Just watch to 3:00 or so.

Dark Seraphim solos this match without a second thought.

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so why are we using a mid-game cutscene to hype Seraphim when literally every RPG character I've seen here has been in their endgame form

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(And I have it on good authority that the Seraphim in that scene is not Endgame Seraphim)

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Dark Seraphim isn't given by default, its unlocked through a sidequest. Because of this, we don't get awesome endgame cutscene feats.

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Seraphim is fully capable of everything in that cutscene when yuri is holding back - which he won't be. He has no reason to.

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right because every RPG has perfectly equal power levels

also, what 'good authority' is this, and why would mid-game seraphim be MORE impressive than engame seraphim? not that i even know what you mean by that

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isn;t holding back derp

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also, what 'good authority' is this

[23:07:23] <drakeryn> here are the facts on dark seraphim.
[23:07:44] <drakeryn> in his playable form - which comprises most of his showings - he's powerful, but not like absurdly powerful.
[23:08:43] <drakeryn> he has one mid-game scene, before yuri has learned to control his power, where he basically goes completely insane and wrecks everything around him in this mad frenzy.
[23:08:49] <drakeryn> that's the scene which numbers/kjh are using to hype him.
[23:09:10] <drakeryn> however, presumably, we're using endgame yuri, not that form (because it's mercs standard to use endgame form for rpg characters).

I had the thought to question it first at least!

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also I thought inequal power levels were the whole point of mercs

if the powers were all equal we wouldn't have fights. just draws.

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the inequal power levels thing was me misreading your post; when you said 'every RPG character is endgame', I thought you were saying "what makes him more impressive than say cloud who is also an endgame RPG character" - my bad.

also i'm not sure what this is supposed to detract from. his playable form isn't any lesser, it just doesn't have any cutscene feats because it's optional. but we -do- have cutscene feats for amon, who is two tiers below dark seraphim in power. and even if he can't access 'city busting' level while in control of his power (and there's no reason to believe he can't - he still creates swathes of destruction at will in his 'for the child' attack) he doesn't exactly need them to take out this caliber of competiton.

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so drak is lying to me then? <_<

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that's supposed to say 'but we -do- have cutscene feats for amon while yuri is in full control'.

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Drak isn't lying, necessarily; he's just making the assumption that since we never see cutscene dark seraphim once he's playable, that he is clearly below the level shown in that cutscene, which i find to be absurd.

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and again, i find the most important thing to be that dark seraphim doesn't need access to city busting power to win this match. No one in this match has anything above 'good' durability. also of note is lu bu's fury mode, which is an immense boost to all stats (i believe videos have been posted), furthering dark seraphim's power, and dark seraphim also has flight (which no one else has) and a self-buffing magic move that buffs every single one of his stats.

also his magic is twice as powerful as normal, and takes half the time to cast, due to marisa's mushroom.

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videos have not been posted to fury mode, as I can't get youtube to work. If you can find some, feel free to post them!

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To elaborate: The cutscene that KJH showed, to the best of my understanding, is the equivalent of a temp mid-game powerup. It's an out-of-control fusion displaying extreme levels of power that he never comes close to again for the rest of the game (as far as I'm aware). But I assume we're not using the Dark Seraphim from that cutscene. It's Mercs standard to use endgame versions of RPG characters, and in any case I doubt he's the crazy out-of-control form that would just as soon wreck his teammates as well as everything else in sight.

Endgame Yuri also employs Dark Seraphim, but in a much more restrained manner -- like I mentioned, he can transform into Dark Seraphim in battle, but he isn't causing massive collateral damage (or any collateral damage of note). He's still powerful. He's Yuri's best fusion. He's just not displaying the same kind of raw power that he was in that one cutscene. And it seems dubious to base an understanding of a character's power level on a single showing that is inconsistent with every other showing of his including the endgame showings that form the basis for the form in Mercs.

Also, I'd like to point out that the construct has half Lu Bu's mind, and Lu Bu is too arrogant and too headstrong to play a tactical keep-away game.

"Apparently, we are up against a formidable enemy."
Lu Bu: "I hear nothing but the babble of vermin. Why should I be frightened of them?"

Prudence is not his strong suit. He's convinced he can take everything on at once. Even more so now that he's been infused with new power thanks to Dark Seraphim. He also likes making speeches about weaklings. All of that means that he's decently likely to leave himself open to an early attack, and things go downhill from there.


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Team Stun Shenanigans

Lu Bu is kind of an idiot when it comes to battle. His strategy is rush in and ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. If any part of his mind is present in the fused form, that thing won't be flying around and casting spells, it'll be flying at Drak's team and trying to punch them to death. And when he gets close, Hotsuma could stun him with a shuriken storm, followed by Jake freezing him for good measure. The team then begins beating him down, with Jake and/or Hotsuma reapplying stuns on him when needed.

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I would like to point out the fusion takes the *BEST* attributes and Abilities, Lu Bu being an idiot would be overridden by Yuri.

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fusion specifically states that the fused being has the 'best attributes' of both - yuri's more rational mind will be dominant.

also, stop saying dark seraphim is 'displaying lesser power' -- he never displays ANY power beyond that because that's his only cutscene moment. no one in any rpg ever causes collateral damage to anything in battle because then the dungeons and puzzles would be ruined - it's a mechanic of the gameplay. in many FPS's, rocket launchers can't destroy rickety walls because they're 'part of the environment' - this in no way means that a goddamn rocket wouldn't take that wall out.

and again, he doesn't NEED access to that power, as stated in the post above.

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It still functions as a rough upper bound on his power. How much power is he displaying in endgame form, when Yuri is fully in control? It's hard to know exactly, since we don't have cutscenes. Is he displaying nearly as much power as he was in the cutscene where he went nuts? Clearly not. At a minimum, we know (by plot) that the party gets through the applicable dungeons and such without utterly wrecking the place. It's roughly analogous to the question, does Isaac really destroy continents? Obviously not, because when battle ends, the continent is still there.

That's what makes Dark Seraphim's midgame showing an aberration compared to his endgame showings, even if said endgame showings aren't precise by nature.

in many FPS's, rocket launchers can't destroy rickety walls because they're 'part of the environment' - this in no way means that a goddamn rocket wouldn't take that wall out.

This isn't really analogous, because we don't have to rely on in-game evidence to know the strength of a rocket launcher -- there are rocket launchers in real life. So if a FPS has a rocket launcher, you can roughly gauge its strength regardless of in-game showings (unless there's evidence that the FPS version is different from the real-life version). Yuri doesn't have that luxury. All we know is what we see him do in-game.


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Btw you guys should vote for the boss. Drak is full of crap.

Just saying.

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hey I took a wastewater treatment center design class once I might be able to help you with that drak

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