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08/05/11 5:26:00 PM
#1:


Goddammit, I wish they hadn't added Trunks later on, he only made his future version lamer by association.

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Diet Water
08/05/11 5:29:00 PM
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well any character is usually less endearing with no tragic history

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08/05/11 5:31:00 PM
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Future Trunks (Sword) > Future Trunks (No Sword) > Whiny Brat Trunks

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08/05/11 5:31:00 PM
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Diet Water posted...
well any character is usually less endearing with no tragic history

You can have great characters with no tragic histories, or even histories at all. Look at Doctor McCoy: he had literally no past until the recent movie, but people still loved him.

Trunks just had nothing.

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ChumpMoney
08/05/11 5:34:00 PM
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best future trunks?

bojack movie future trunks

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TheKoolAidShoto
08/05/11 5:37:00 PM
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I remember when I was kid, and I originally saw Trunks debut on DBZ. Freeza and all his gang had came to Earth, and this was right after the Namek series and Goku was dead, so it was like, "Oh s***, Earth is screweeeeed". Then this Trunks dude shows up, goes Super Saiyan, does a bunch of badass things with his hands, and kills Freeza and his gang by himself. In the span of one episode!

11-year old KoolAidShoto thought Trunks was the coolest character of all-time.

But stupid kid Trunks is dumb, and was always dumb, like all stupid kids, including 11-year old KoolAid who thought DBZ was God's gift to Earth.

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ShadowHalo17
08/05/11 5:47:00 PM
#7:


Future Trunks is one of the best characters. Actually now that I think about it, I'd probably place him second after Gohan.

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Emporer_Kazbar
08/05/11 5:49:00 PM
#8:


I've never really cared for Trunks in general. His future self is clearly better than his kid self, though.

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Sorozone
08/05/11 5:49:00 PM
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Gohan is a terrible character, he becomes the strongest character in the series twice, both times he proceeds to get cocky and gets his ass kicked.
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PrivateBiscuit1
08/05/11 5:50:00 PM
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Future Trunks was cool until he had Steroid Super Saiyan powers and his hair tied back like a lamer. Then it was like wtf why take away his coolness?

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08/05/11 5:51:00 PM
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From: Sorozone | #009
Gohan is a terrible character, he becomes the strongest character in the series twice, both times he proceeds to get cocky and gets his ass kicked.


The second time for sure, but how so the first time? He completely dominated Cell (Though he admittedly was stupid in not finishing him off sooner), took a shot aimed at Vegeta, and then killed Cell with a broken arm. (Yeah, Vegeta distracted Cell, but nothing more; his shot didn't do any actual damage)

Basically, he f***** up big time against Cell, but he did anything but get his ass kicked.

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ShadowHalo17
08/05/11 5:56:00 PM
#12:


You guys act like Gohan was the only character who got arrogant and didn't finish off an enemy quick enough.

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Sorozone
08/05/11 6:00:00 PM
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From: Emporer_Kazbar | #011
but how so the first time?


He didn't get the beating that Buu gave him, but the fact remains he let both Cell and Buu live when he very well showed the ability to kill both from the very start. Instead he decided to play around because of his own ego got in the way, and ultimately lead to deaths of key characters. Goku and King Kai from Cell(can't recall if Trunks actually died or just seriously injured). Buu killed Goten, Trunks, Piccolo and Gohan.

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Emporer_Kazbar
08/05/11 6:01:00 PM
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From: Sorozone | #013
He didn't get the beating that Buu gave him, but the fact remains he let both Cell and Buu live when he very well showed the ability to kill both from the very start. Instead he decided to play around because of his own ego got in the way, and ultimately lead to deaths of key characters.


Yes, but I wouldn't equate "letting key characters die" to "getting his ass kicked". Got other people's asses kicked is more like it with Cell.

Definitely applies to him vs. Buu though.

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Sorozone
08/05/11 6:02:00 PM
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From: ShadowHalo17 | #012
You guys act like Gohan was the only character who got arrogant and didn't finish off an enemy quick enough.


That's not the problem I have with Gohan, it doesn't fit his overall character. Vegeta was always shown to be cocky, even Goku was shown like this in battles(and he actually backed it up most of the time unlike Gohan).

Gohan was shown to be cocky when he had the power, then proceeded to f*** it up. Vegeta was always cocky no matter the situation, and Goku was cocky in battle, but backed that cockiness up, excluding the battle with android 19 because of the heart condition.
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BIGPUN9999
08/05/11 6:05:00 PM
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Future Trunks > Trunks

Duh

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ShadowHalo17
08/05/11 6:05:00 PM
#17:


It's in a Saiyan's blood to be arrogant.

And Buu didn't kill anyone after Gohan slipped up, he just absorbed them, they were still alive.

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Emporer_Kazbar
08/05/11 6:06:00 PM
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From: Sorozone | #015
That's not the problem I have with Gohan, it doesn't fit his overall character. Vegeta was always shown to be cocky, even Goku was shown like this in battles(and he actually backed it up most of the time unlike Gohan).

Gohan was shown to be cocky when he had the power, then proceeded to f*** it up. Vegeta was always cocky no matter the situation, and Goku was cocky in battle, but backed that cockiness up, excluding the battle with android 19 because of the heart condition.


I'd say it's fitting of his teenage character, but not of his pre-teen character.

You'd have to have a pretty big ego to parade around as a superhero, after all.

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Emporer_Kazbar
08/05/11 6:06:00 PM
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From: ShadowHalo17 | #017
And Buu didn't kill anyone after Gohan slipped up, he just absorbed them, they were still alive.


Except pretty much everyone on Earth when he blew it up. :/

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ShadowHalo17
08/05/11 6:08:00 PM
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From: Sorozone | #015
Gohan was shown to be cocky when he had the power, then proceeded to f*** it up. Vegeta was always cocky no matter the situation, and Goku was cocky in battle, but backed that cockiness up, excluding the battle with android 19 because of the heart condition.


As I said, it's within a Saiyan's blood to be cocky, if they suddenly gain immense power and complete dominate an enemy, of course they're going to let it get out of hand in order to test themselves, unfortunately Gohan underestimated what he was doing at the few times he actually did let his arrogance get in the way.

I agree that it was kind of out of character for him, but that's why I just blame it on his heritage. I could also blame it on the writer, wanting to draw out every god damn battle as long as f***ing possible.

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Sorozone
08/05/11 6:08:00 PM
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From: Emporer_Kazbar | #014
Yes, but I wouldn't equate "letting key characters die" to "getting his ass kicked"


Well, he conceivably would have lost that battle if not for Goku's little pep talk, he went from a cocky little boy to moping right before he is about to die he just didn't(die).
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ShadowHalo17
08/05/11 6:09:00 PM
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From: Emporer_Kazbar | #019
Except pretty much everyone on Earth when he blew it up. :/


Everyone was already dead before Gohan got back to Earth.

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Sorozone
08/05/11 6:10:00 PM
#23:


From: ShadowHalo17 | #021
I agree that it was kind of out of character for him, but that's why I just blame it on his heritage. I could also blame it on the writer, wanting to draw out every god damn battle as long as f***ing possible.


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Emporer_Kazbar
08/05/11 6:11:00 PM
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From: ShadowHalo17 | #022
Everyone was already dead before Gohan got back to Earth.


Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks, and Goten (And maybe a couple others I'm forgetting; not sure) all got killed when Buu blew up Earth.

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Sorozone
08/05/11 6:12:00 PM
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From: Emporer_Kazbar | #024
Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks, and Goten (And maybe a couple others I'm forgetting; not sure) all got killed when Buu blew up Earth.


Tien and Chaotzu. :)
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ShadowHalo17
08/05/11 6:14:00 PM
#26:


I thought they were saved by Goku and Vegeta... now that I think about it, I guess they did have to leave them behind, and they saved Dende and Hercule instead, Dende was more necessary so they could just wish everyone back anyway. And technically, Goku and Vegeta tore all of those characters out of Buu, which transformed him into Kid Buu, which is what destroyed the Earth. Super Buu wouldn't have done that.

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Emporer_Kazbar
08/05/11 6:15:00 PM
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From: ShadowHalo17 | #026
Super Buu wouldn't have done that.


That still doesn't change the fact that if Gohan hadn't been cocky, the aforementioned characters wouldn't have died, which is what we've been talking about.

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ShadowHalo17
08/05/11 6:18:00 PM
#28:


Right, I never really denied that. I said that I just blame it on him being a Saiyan, as they're all cocky, especially when they're completely one sided in a fight and have a chance to get more of a challenge. Unfortunately for Gohan, the challenge was more than he was expecting. Pretty sure if Goku or Vegeta were in that situation, they would have done the exact same thing.

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ShadowHalo17
08/05/11 6:18:00 PM
#29:


Oh and Goten and Trunks did that too, SSJ3 Gotenks was enough to beat Super Buu, yet they f***ed around too much and let the fusion run out before they had a chance to take him out.

Saiyan arrogance, once again.

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Sorozone
08/05/11 6:19:00 PM
#30:


From: ShadowHalo17 | #028
Pretty sure if Goku or Vegeta were in that situation, they would have done the exact same thing.


Vegeta? Yeah, Goku? Unlikely.
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Emporer_Kazbar
08/05/11 6:19:00 PM
#31:


Goku would have finished Buu off, I have no doubts about that. Vegeta definitely would have toyed with him the same way, though.

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ShadowHalo17
08/05/11 6:22:00 PM
#32:


What makes you think Goku would have? If he was so powerful that Buu couldn't even hurt him, it's definitely within Goku's nature to let his opponent power up to offer more of a challenge and give the opponent more of a chance. It's exactly what he did with Frieza.

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Emporer_Kazbar
08/05/11 6:24:00 PM
#33:


From: ShadowHalo17 | #032
It's exactly what he did with Frieza.


And one of the major points of the Frieza battle was Goku overcoming his tendency toward allowing villains to live and seek forgiveness. That some people are irreparably evil and cannot be saved.

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Sorozone
08/05/11 6:25:00 PM
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From: ShadowHalo17 | #032
It's exactly what he did with Frieza.


Not quite, Goku knew all along that he could defeat Frieza at his fullest, he allowed Frieza to go all out because he more or less wanted to humiliate Frieza.
Goku knew he couldn't beat a powered up Buu, for one he states he could defeat Fat Buu, but then later claims he wouldn't have been be able to beat Super Buu.
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ShadowHalo17
08/05/11 6:26:00 PM
#35:


Oh good point.

I still don't fully believe he would have outright finished Buu off immediately, but I guess it would have been more likely with him than any other Saiyan.

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ShadowHalo17
08/05/11 6:29:00 PM
#36:


From: Sorozone | #034
Not quite, Goku knew all along that he could defeat Frieza at his fullest, he allowed Frieza to go all out because he more or less wanted to humiliate Frieza.
Goku knew he couldn't beat a powered up Buu, for one he states he could defeat Fat Buu, but then later claims he wouldn't have been be able to beat Super Buu.


Right, I was saying that if he had the power up that Gohan had, he might have made the same mistake.

And the way I see it, Gohan knew he could beat Buu the way Goku knew he could beat Frieza. The only problem is Frieza didn't really have much more power left in him, none of them expected Buu to absorb the others and gain their powers, and even so, Gohan still didn't think Buu had any way of powering up THAT much to the point it completely made Gohan's power up negligible. Not even Goku could have seen that coming.

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Sorozone
08/05/11 6:29:00 PM
#37:


I'll just say that I never really liked Gohan from the Cell Arc onwards, I liked early Gohan, where he just went berserk and didn't give a f***.

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Emporer_Kazbar
08/05/11 6:32:00 PM
#38:


Saiyan Saga Gohan was kind of annoying.

Frieza Saga Gohan was cool.

Cell Saga Gohan was pretty awesome.

Buu Saga Gohan was kind of annoying again.

IMO.

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ShadowHalo17
08/05/11 6:34:00 PM
#39:


Honestly yeah, Gohan didn't have a good consistency in his quality, sadly. But when he was awesome, he was the most awesome to me. I of course like Cell Saga Gohan the most. Frieza Saga Gohan was cool too. Saiyan Saga Gohan pfft. And Buu Saga Gohan... I liked his Ultimate form and his two episode domination of Buu. Other than that, bleh.

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Xiahou Shake
08/05/11 6:35:00 PM
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I got this song stuck in my head so bad just by reading through this topic.

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ShadowHalo17
08/05/11 6:36:00 PM
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From: Xiahou Shake | #040

I got this song stuck in my head so bad just by reading through this topic.


Mmm nostalgia.

Tasty.

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Emporer_Kazbar
08/05/11 6:36:00 PM
#42:


I'd like to say, by the way, that I'm glad we could all have this discussion in a friendly, reasonable manner. Having spent a lot of time on the Dragon Ball - General forums, which is so infested with trolls its ridiculous, I like being able to discuss DBZ without being called an idiot.

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08/05/11 6:38:00 PM
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From: Emporer_Kazbar | #042
I'd like to say, by the way, that I'm glad we could all have this discussion in a friendly, reasonable manner. Having spent a lot of time on the Dragon Ball - General forums, which is so infested with trolls its ridiculous, I like being able to discuss DBZ without being called an idiot.


Lol, there is a reason I stopped going there. I checked it every once in a while to see if there is still the same ole' crap, and it is...sadly.
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ShadowHalo17
08/05/11 6:41:00 PM
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Ha, same here. I used to go to that board too, and man, those arguments got really heated. I was actually going to mention something about "just like old times" but thankfully it didn't get that bad.

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ScareChan
08/05/11 7:02:00 PM
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truth topic title

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