Board 8 > League of Legends Topic 22 - "Ahhh... You sure you're not in the wrong league?"

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Silver_Ermine
08/05/11 12:03:00 AM
#101:


Silverliner182V posted...
Totally gonna make a PUSH FOR DA GOLD when I get back even if it all seems USELESS! :D

It'll probably be easier with 5man ranked than solo queue imo


Honestly doubt there'd actually be enough time to even do that since the Que times go WAAAAAY up when you get a little higher lol and then you only get like 3-4 points if you win and lose like 14-15 if you lose.

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KanzarisKelshen
08/05/11 12:40:00 AM
#102:


MercuryAdept17 posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Yes, Amumu is stupid. Any character whose power is 90% condensed in his ult will be because ults are already strong and supercharging them is stupid.

On another note, is anybody up for being my ranked partner guys? Looking for a pal to climb up the ranks with.

I'd be willing to do some doubles with you Kan. I'm hovering between 1350-1400 at the moment, so if you want to just let me know.


Excellent. I'll probably be unable to log on tomorrow, but afterwards I'll be happy to play with you merc. Let's tear the ladder up!

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Heroic_CactObo
08/05/11 12:48:00 AM
#103:


I'm trying to learn irelia now too.

I think the cool part is that she fills pretty much any role well. AD carry, AP carry, tanky DPS, and I really like a good on-hit build for her which is basically malady > tons of attack speed and max W first.

I'm having a tough time finding a good mid-game item for her. Malady is good, but you have to basically play like a carry and pick your battles or you will get mauled. Trinity and its building items are good for her, but rushing trinity every single game is boring.
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KanzarisKelshen
08/05/11 12:48:00 AM
#104:


Why would you get malady? It does absolutely nothing for you. Wits End on the other hand is a pro item.

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TheConductorSix
08/05/11 12:51:00 AM
#105:


That is my one Irelia complaint and my biggest complaint about new Kayle . Buying the same item is just boring.

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08/05/11 12:53:00 AM
#106:


My current Jax build is Ninja Tabi, Guinsoo's, Hextech, Atma's, and then whatever (games don't normally last long enough for it to come up). Is this good?

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Heroic_CactObo
08/05/11 12:53:00 AM
#107:


They are extremely similar, one provides a tiny boost to AP, the other a tiny boost to MR. I also like the extra attack speed.
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KanzarisKelshen
08/05/11 12:59:00 AM
#108:


Heroic_CactObo posted...
They are extremely similar, one provides a tiny boost to AP, the other a tiny boost to MR. I also like the extra attack speed.

50 MR is not tiny. Also, Wit's End gives you double the extra onhit damage of Malady, so yeah...get Wits End first.

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Daranix
08/05/11 1:17:00 AM
#109:


A better better idea for Irelia is to build your Trinity Force and destroy everyone.

Just sayin'.

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Heroic_CactObo
08/05/11 1:42:00 AM
#110:


just lost 3 games as irelia tonight because nobody knows how to freaking tank to save anyone's life. I rape 1 on 1, but get my ass kicked when I have to be the first one in a teamfight.

And she suffers the exact same problem as literally every single other tanky DPS: you have to build tanky before DPS or you die from random AoE in teamfights. With a good tank she's amazing, because I was still regularly wrecking anyone out of position at all. Mallet + Ghostblade = nobody escapes (unless they dump all of their CC on you, which happens if you are the only threat and your tanks doesn't know how to use their knockups and continually backdoors)

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Justin_Crossing
08/05/11 7:43:00 AM
#111:


From: TheConductorSix | #105
That is my one Irelia complaint and my biggest complaint about new Kayle . Buying the same item is just boring.


but to be fair, infinity edge and rabadon's

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TheConductorSix
08/05/11 7:57:00 AM
#112:


If teams blow their cc on irelia...they're stupid and you should murder them for their stupidity. If your tank isn't initiating then tell him to stand in front and initiate. If he continues then stay behind him at all times and force him up front. As for Rabadon's, the passive makes it essential for all casters since it reads 'hey here's nearly 200 ap' with no other items. Kinda lame but not as bad as what they did to the most customizable champ in the game :-(

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Biolizard28
08/05/11 8:03:00 AM
#113:


Tanking in pubs is both a futile exercise and a Murphy's Law situation.

When you pick a tank, your team will refuse to follow you into fights you start, even if they tell you to pick one, and complain when your KDR is low even when it's not your job to kill.

When someone on your team picks a tank, they will play him like any other champion and stay in the back of a fight because they're afraid, and wait for the carries to go to work so they can mop up.

When an enemy has a tank, they will always be the first to initiate and your team will insist on focusing them over the carries that are currently pounding them into the ground.

Bottom line, stick to Irelia, Jarvan and friends if you HAVE to have someone with tankish properties.

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Heroic_CactObo
08/05/11 11:10:00 AM
#114:


The problem is that I really enjoy playing as irelia and I think she's an awesome champ, I just consistently lose because I'm usually the one that folds and picks a tank because no one else will. If I ever want to play a champ that I WANT to play, I have to accept the fact that there will be no tank, and most of the time a jungler either.

I'll keep trying because I want to become competitive with her and I'm going to need the practice. She has a lot of nuances with her abilities that make her a tough champ to master.
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Biolizard28
08/05/11 12:13:00 PM
#115:


I haven't played with B8ers in a long time.

I can feel my sanity slipping. Without a legitimate pubstomper champion in my repertoire, I'm at the mercy of solo queue. If this continues I might have to buy Vlad.

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Justin_Crossing
08/05/11 12:46:00 PM
#116:


Vlad isn't even great any more.

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Luis_Sera89
08/05/11 12:51:00 PM
#117:


Just owned a game as Kayle. Who would've thought!

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Biolizard28
08/05/11 1:03:00 PM
#118:


Justin_Crossing posted...
Vlad isn't even great any more.

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Lopen
08/05/11 1:06:00 PM
#119:


Yeah don't tank or play support at low ELO. Pubstomp until you get out of there.

Or get a tanky guy who can pubstomp like Mordekaiser.

THE SPIRIT OF KAN FLOWS THROUGH ME.

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Justin_Crossing
08/05/11 1:16:00 PM
#120:


From: Biolizard28 | #118
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Well it's true. Vlad isn't a pubstomp AP carry any more. Brand, Orianna, and Annie are the new pubstomp AP carries.

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Biolizard28
08/05/11 1:19:00 PM
#121:


But I can mess up with Vlad all I want because troll pool.

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Lopen
08/05/11 1:26:00 PM
#122:


Real men play Vlad as an HP Carry anyway.

Gotta power up that pool.

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TheConductorSix
08/05/11 1:58:00 PM
#123:


See I find tanking in public games to be the easiest thing ever. Especially with malphite or Leona. I can always get pubs to attack me and sometimes I can even anti carry and make carries run from me. You guys are really underestimating just how bad most pubs are.

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Biolizard28
08/05/11 2:07:00 PM
#124:


It's not about pubs attacking you, that's the easy part.

It's about pubs attacking you and nobody else having your back.

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Justin_Crossing
08/05/11 2:09:00 PM
#125:


From: TheConductorSix | #123
See I find tanking in public games to be the easiest thing ever. Especially with malphite or Leona. I can always get pubs to attack me and sometimes I can even anti carry and make carries run from me. You guys are really underestimating just how bad most pubs are.


Leona tanking does generally get pubbies attacking you I will certainly not deny that.

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Heroic_CactObo
08/05/11 3:22:00 PM
#126:


From: Biolizard28 | #124
It's not about pubs attacking you, that's the easy part.

It's about pubs attacking you and nobody else having your back.



This. I can almost certainly win a lane as Shen and get my HoG/sunfire/FoN/whatever and start tanking. The issue comes when your carries are dumb as bricks and Shen can't carry that **** because it's incredibly hard to get fed as shen, or even pick up items that LET him carry.
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Heroic_CactObo
08/05/11 3:24:00 PM
#127:


Also, they're reducing prices again

annie > 450
cho > 1350
taric > 1350

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KanzarisKelshen
08/05/11 3:30:00 PM
#128:


Lopen posted...
Yeah don't tank or play support at low ELO. Pubstomp until you get out of there.

Or get a tanky guy who can pubstomp like Mordekaiser.

THE SPIRIT OF KAN FLOWS THROUGH ME.


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Biolizard28
08/05/11 4:03:00 PM
#129:


Taric and Cho going down makes sense. Taric at least is really lacking compared to other 3150s. Or at least, he's less interesting.

Annie being 450 is ridiculous. Riot just put Ryze out of a job.

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Justin_Crossing
08/05/11 4:04:00 PM
#130:


Taric is amazing don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

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Luis_Sera89
08/05/11 4:06:00 PM
#131:


Yeah, reducing Ryze/Morgana/Malphite made sense for a "raise in profile". Annie, not so much!

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Heroic_CactObo
08/05/11 4:07:00 PM
#132:


I still hold that ryze > annie

ryze's damage output is more consistent and less front-loaded. that being said, he has incredible burst

the only thing annie has is the aoe stun when she can manage it, whereas he has a root on basically a 3 second cooldown lategame
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Justin_Crossing
08/05/11 4:09:00 PM
#133:


annie's q is a ridiculously powerful farming tool, and her cooldowns are also low outside tibbers. The thing about Tibbers is that he does persistent damage after already being an incredible burst tool. By the time your burst is done, you're almost all the way to a stun again, and your Q is gonna be off cooldown in half a second. Her 3-second Q cooldown is crazy since it does way more damage than Ryze's.

Also an AoE stun is by default like 20x better than a root, and she can have another AoE stun ready super soon after the burst.

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Heroic_CactObo
08/05/11 4:22:00 PM
#134:


They probably have situations where one is better than the other. For instance, I know for a fact that Ryze is a direct counterpick to Veigar, whereas a Veigar would have little trouble blowing Annie's face off with 2 spells.

I also think Ryze can switch targets easier, where Annie is a monster at killing 1 person instantly.
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Xiahou Shake
08/05/11 4:47:00 PM
#135:


Just went 0-7 with Veigar, "whoops".
Feels bad when I do so horribly with champs I wanna try out, but if I don't try and fail I won't get better. >_>

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Biolizard28
08/05/11 4:48:00 PM
#136:


Did you farm that Q?

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Xiahou Shake
08/05/11 4:49:00 PM
#137:


Of course, though I'm sure anyone who actually knows how to play Veigar would scoff at my "farming".

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08/05/11 5:43:00 PM
#138:


Is there anyone who doesn't yet own Annie who would ever buy her anyway?

Freaking reduce a tank's cost to 450. It's the only role that you can't fill with a 450 (well, I have seen tank Nunus, but yeah). Amumu is asking to be made a 450.

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Biolizard28
08/05/11 5:44:00 PM
#139:


Anagram posted...
Is there anyone who doesn't yet own Annie who would ever buy her anyway?

Hi.

Also, if you're going to make any tank 450, make it Singed or Alistar.

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SythaWarrior
08/05/11 6:21:00 PM
#140:


Shame I already own Taric and Annie. But Cho-gath I've been meaning to grab. When do these changes happen?

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08/05/11 6:24:00 PM
#141:


Biolizard28 posted...
Also, if you're going to make any tank 450, make it Singed or Alistar.

Jesus Christ, Singed as common as Ashe. That would be horrible.

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Biolizard28
08/05/11 6:25:00 PM
#142:


And Amumu wouldn't be?

"Don't mind me, I'm just going to bandage in an ULT YOUR S***"

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IhatethisCPU
08/05/11 6:29:00 PM
#143:


The price decrease happens when Skarner's out next week. It'll put my buying Kennen out even further, mind, but...

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SythaWarrior
08/05/11 6:31:00 PM
#144:


Actually it's already changed. I just looked. I need 500 IP for Cho-gath.

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TheConductorSix
08/05/11 6:44:00 PM
#145:


The 450 characters are the easiest to play. It's also why they're always free. The sad part is that Annie is extremely easy to play and also extremely good. She takes out your most dangerous player in one shot while also doing aoe damage and stun to the whole team. Cho being cheaper is legit. Amumu should be 450 because he's the easiest tank and also the most useful. Throw bandage ult spam e with w on. Alistar and Singed are both challenging to use because they require positioning and understanding of who to isolate and how much damage they can take.

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Biolizard28
08/05/11 6:45:00 PM
#146:


http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/new-champion-approaches-skarner-crystal-vanguard

Skarner time.

I'm not really sure what to make out of him, but I'm most curious about his Ultimate. What's the range on that thing? If it's anywhere near or above mid, then he can basically select a champion and pull them out of position for his team to beat on.

And while I hate saying this since it seems like I've said it three new champs in a row, he looks like a passable jungler.

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TheConductorSix
08/05/11 6:45:00 PM
#147:


The 450 characters are the easiest to play. It's also why they're always free. The sad part is that Annie is extremely easy to play and also extremely good. She takes out your most dangerous player in one shot while also doing aoe damage and stun to the whole team. Cho being cheaper is legit. Amumu should be 450 because he's the easiest tank and also the most useful. Throw bandage ult spam e with w on. Alistar and Singed are both challenging to use because they require positioning and understanding of who to isolate and how much damage they can take before needing to ult.

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Peace___Frog
08/05/11 8:44:00 PM
#148:


It's like an improved WW ult without the flash in. Cool.

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Biolizard28
08/05/11 8:55:00 PM
#149:


Damn, if his champion spotlight blows me away, I may actually drop dolla on him.

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snowpork
08/05/11 9:47:00 PM
#150:


I need to play this game again soon.

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