Board 8 > NCAA Games II: Week 11 Results and Discussion Topic

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swirIdude
07/23/11 7:40:00 PM
#1:


Meet the new host, same as the old (Games I) 2005 host!

Thanks to Tsunami, the Top 25 tally has been done already. If it's wrong, blame him! :D

Since it's so late and I'm beat, I will resume the matches tomorrow at my first opportunity. (Leon, if you read this, nyah!)

NCAA Games II week by week schedules (including past results):

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AvxHjoIdpiozdEtadTB0dEhmX3JxZkZfdzdhTHF6WGc&hl=en#gid=0

NCAA Games II Conference Breakdowns (including a quicker, faster look at individual games' opponents, wins, and losses):

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AvxHjoIdpiozdDhfenhraVlvNlk3VkUzb0tFalMtYUE&hl=en#gid=0

This Week's Top 25
1. Chrono Trigger (1) 349
2. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (3) 328
3. Resident Evil 4 (5) 306
4. Super Mario 64 (7) 299
5. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (6) 286
6. Super Mario Bros. 3 (4) 286
7. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (2) 259
8. Super Smash Bros. Melee (10) 243
9. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (11) 229
10. Super Mario Galaxy (16) 203
11. Super Mario World (8) 202
12. Metal Gear Solid (12) 189
13. Final Fantasy X (13) 173
14. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (15) 163
15. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (9) 154
16. Super Metroid (20) 141
17. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (18) 136
18. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (NR) 91
19. Final Fantasy IX (23) 73
20. Star Fox 64 (NR) 71
21. Portal (21) 65
22. Paper Mario (14) 62
23. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (NR) 54
24. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (NR) 44
25. Batman: Arkham Asylum (25) 39

Dropped out: Metroid Prime (17), Final Fantasy VI (19), Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (22), Mega Man 2 (24)

Also receiving votes:

Final Fantasy VII 33
Metroid Prime 23
Final Fantasy VI 18
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island 14
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 12
Okami 8
Half-Life 2 7
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 6
Mega Man 2 5
Assassin's Creed II 2

How could you all drop LttP so far? You monsters.

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red sox 777
07/23/11 7:47:00 PM
#2:


Looks like CT got 13 out of 14 #1 votes, but its victory margin over #2 actually went down due to RBY becoming the de facto #2 with LTTP's loss. I wonder why we got fewer voters than before too.

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Janus5000
07/23/11 7:47:00 PM
#3:


LttP had no business being above those other games just because it hadn't lost!

'Course, the same could be said about MGS3 and RE4, but they're both getting tests soon.

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The Real Truth
07/23/11 7:51:00 PM
#4:


Hell yeah RE4

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th3l3fty
07/23/11 8:09:00 PM
#5:


Galaxy 1 > Galaxy 2

JUSTICE

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swirIdude
07/23/11 8:20:00 PM
#6:


RPI

1. Chrono Trigger (2)
2. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (3)
3. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (1)
4. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (4)
5. Resident Evil 4 (5)
6. Super Mario 64 (6)
7. Super Mario Galaxy (7)
8. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (8)
9. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (9)
10. Metal Gear Solid (10)
11. Super Metroid (11)
12. Super Mario Bros. 3 (12)
13. Final Fantasy IX (13)
14. Final Fantasy X (14)
15. Portal (15)
16. Super Smash Bros. Melee (16)
17. Batman: Arkham Asylum (18)
18. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (17)
19. Paper Mario (20)
20. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (21)
21. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (19)
22. Super Mario World (22)
23. Mega Man 2 (24)
24. Star Fox 64 (26)
25. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (25)
Final Fantasy VI (23)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl (27)
Mario Kart 64 (30)
Tales of Symphonia (28)
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (29)

We have traveled back in time, to an era where Chrono Trigger was #1 in the RPI, and Board 8 had good taste. Wait...scratch that, that never happened.

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TsunamiXXVIII
07/23/11 10:02:00 PM
#7:


red sox 777 posted...
Looks like CT got 13 out of 14 #1 votes, but its victory margin over #2 actually went down due to RBY becoming the de facto #2 with LTTP's loss. I wonder why we got fewer voters than before too.

Yeah, I had been a bit disturbed by the lower vote total as well. But good catch--I would've assumed that the lower victory margin was more a result of the lowered total, but there were 19 votes last week and Chrono Trigger won by 33. 33/19 is...something that's greater than 1.5 (too lazy to calculate right now), whereas 21/14 is exactly 1.5.

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LinkMarioSamus
07/23/11 10:16:00 PM
#8:


The Real Truth posted...
Hell yeah RE4

I have a feeling that RE4's "undefeated" record isn't going to last much longer.

Especially because in week 12, it's going against one of the few games in existence that's actually better.

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LinkMarioSamus
07/24/11 4:17:00 AM
#9:


Also the winner of BioShock vs. Silent Hill 2 will be played through by me at some point in the near future.

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swirIdude
07/24/11 6:46:00 AM
#10:


Voting topic is up:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/59824218

(Yeah I know, way too early in the morning, but I'm on vacation and this was my best chance to get it up today.)

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pjbasis
07/24/11 10:36:00 AM
#11:


If you're gonna be loyal to what you're playing, why can't you be loyal to what you played?
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LinkMarioSamus
07/24/11 7:20:00 PM
#12:


StarCraft is one of my all-time favorite games, and as such, I would never vote for anything I haven't played over it.

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swirIdude
07/25/11 6:56:00 AM
#13:


LMS, just because Leon isn't here does NOT mean you can get away with posting match counts in the voting topics. As guest host, I am enforcing Leon's policies, so stifle yourself.

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LinkMarioSamus
07/25/11 7:02:00 AM
#14:


Not even at the end of a day?

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swirIdude
07/25/11 7:03:00 AM
#15:


Do you see results in this Results and Discussion Topic?

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th3l3fty
07/25/11 7:06:00 AM
#16:


which happens first: LMS gets banned from the entire contest for repeatedly ignoring the rules, or KCF gets his weekly ranking DQ'd for terrible reasoning

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LinkMarioSamus
07/25/11 7:11:00 AM
#17:


swirIdude posted...
Do you see results in this Results and Discussion Topic?

I suppose not.

Dunno, it was a weird situation since it was technically past the 24-hour mark.

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swirIdude
07/25/11 7:12:00 AM
#18:


At least KCF is being cornered into a position where his undefeated games are worthy of Top 6 consideration.

LMS is just a contrarian.

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swirIdude
07/25/11 7:28:00 AM
#19:


Witty commentary will have to be saved for a time when I will not be heading off the internet soon. You guys can make the big joke of the day by yourself; it's self-explanatory.


16 - Ogre Battle 64 47.1%
18 - Sonic Colors 52.9%

24 - Pokemon Black/White 64.9%
13 - Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective 35.1%

21 - Marvel vs Capcom 3 61.8%
13 - Ace Combat 5 38.2%

13 - Team Fortress 2 35.1%
24 - Final Fantasy Tactics 64.9%

10 - Mortal Kombat II 25.6%
29 - Mega Man X 74.4%

20 - #23 Super Smash Bros. Brawl 47.6%
22 - Mario Kart 64 52.4%

19 - Shining Force II 59.4%
13 - Street Fighter Alpha 3 40.6%

30 - Okami 78.9%
8 - Crash Bandicoot: Warped 21.1%

11 - Demon's Souls 34.4%
21 - Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood 65.6%

28 - Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 82.4%
6 - Mana Khemia 17.6%

22 - Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal 55.0%
18 - Civilization IV 45.0%

18 - Goldeneye 007 46.2%
21 - Final Fantasy VII 53.8%

17 - Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 47.2%
19 - Starcraft 52.8%

21 - #13 Final Fantasy X 51.2%
20 - Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards 48.8%

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th3l3fty
07/25/11 7:30:00 AM
#20:


whoa there Kirby

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LinkMarioSamus
07/25/11 7:36:00 AM
#21:


Lol Brawl.

Whoa StarCraft!

Also this is probably Civ4's best match so far in the contest - it was only four votes away from defeating a game which was once widely considered to be a top 25 candidate. Although we have to play devil's advocate and realize that this is Civ4's first loss since week 4, not to mention that Civ4 may have been soaking up Pokemon anti-votes.

I suppose Civ4 just loves to devour those anti-votes.

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swirIdude
07/25/11 7:53:00 AM
#22:


RPI

1. Chrono Trigger (1)
2. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (2)
3. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (3)
4. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (4)
5. Resident Evil 4 (5)
6. Super Mario 64 (6)
7. Super Mario Galaxy (7)
8. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (8)
9. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (9)
10. Metal Gear Solid (10)
11. Super Metroid (11)
12. Super Mario Bros. 3 (12)
13. Final Fantasy IX (13)
14. Final Fantasy X (14)
15. Portal (15)
16. Batman: Arkham Asylum (17)
17. Super Smash Bros. Melee (16)
18. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (18)
19. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (20)
20. Paper Mario (19)
21. Mario Kart 64 (28)
22. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (21)
23. Super Mario World (22)
24. Mega Man 2 (23)
25. Final Fantasy VI (26)
Star Fox 64 (24)
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (25)
Tales of Symphonia (29)
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (30)
Metroid Prime (31)


A light day of Top 25 action means a light day of action on the board. Mario Kart 64 races up into the rankings, and Metroid Prime returns to take Brawl's vacated spot on the board.

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swirIdude
07/25/11 7:56:00 AM
#23:


Today, we have RPI #158 (CoD4) vs RPI #160 (MVP Baseball). Who will be less of a loser?

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th3l3fty
07/25/11 7:57:00 AM
#24:


all in on CoD4 plz

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red sox 777
07/25/11 8:05:00 AM
#25:


LOL Brawl. Melee's going to 60-40 this game.

Any other game of Melee's strength would do it, why can't Melee? But anyways, I didn't even get to vote against Brawl this time.

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KCF0107
07/25/11 8:06:00 AM
#26:


th3l3fty posted...
KCF gets his weekly ranking DQ'd for terrible reasoning

Terrible reasoning? I think not!

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KCF0107
07/25/11 8:07:00 AM
#27:


swirIdude posted...
Today, we have RPI #158 (CoD4) vs RPI #160 (MVP Baseball). Who will be less of a loser?

It's sad that two such fantastic games are received poorly by the voters

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Janus5000
07/25/11 12:23:00 PM
#28:


Oh Brawl.

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LinkMarioSamus
07/25/11 5:11:00 PM
#29:


Lol Mario Kart 64 > Super Mario World

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pjbasis
07/25/11 5:54:00 PM
#30:


Aw man Kirby > FFX would have been the greatest result.
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charmander6000
07/25/11 5:57:00 PM
#31:


Any other game of Melee's strength would do it, why can't Melee? But anyways, I didn't even get to vote against Brawl this time.

rSFF I guess.

Though that would mean Smash fans overwhelmingly prefer Brawl while overall Melee has more fans.

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swirIdude
07/25/11 6:32:00 PM
#32:


charmander6000 posted...
Any other game of Melee's strength would do it, why can't Melee? But anyways, I didn't even get to vote against Brawl this time.

rSFF I guess.

Though that would mean Smash fans overwhelmingly prefer Brawl while overall Melee has more fans.


Isn't it exactly the opposite?

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red sox 777
07/25/11 6:52:00 PM
#33:


It means the majority of Smash fans prefer Brawl slightly, but it's close enough that against most external opponents they'll vote for either Smash game or neither Smash game. On the other hand, some Melee fans will vote Melee over almost anything and almost anything over Brawl.

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charmander6000
07/25/11 7:18:00 PM
#34:


Yeah and now that I think about it more, the more it makes sense.

I've yet to meet a noticeable amount of people that love Brawl, but hate Melee and from my experience the ones that love both games do prefer Brawl to Melee and while it is a small minority that hates Brawl those votes do make a difference when it comes down to some of the tougher games.

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LinkMarioSamus
07/25/11 9:10:00 PM
#35:


I love both games and prefer Melee.

Thing is, Brawl easily has the superior character cast, and that's really what matters most in a fighting game. Brawl is also more versatile due to characters like Snake, R.O.B., Mr. Game and Watch, Zero Suit Samus, yadda yadda yadda. I simply find Melee to be more fun and more satisfying due to its faster pace, better stages, and greater feeling of inspiration.

In regards to personal tastes, I'd regard Melee to be a "top tier" game, while Brawl is "close to top tier but no cigar".

Then again my favorite Metroid game is Super Metroid even though I finished all three Metroid Primes, Fusion, and Zero Mission before my first playthrough and have only been a fan of that series for 3.5 years, so I'm somehow a great deal different from the "majority" when it comes to most video game franchises and my opinions.

I know Leonhart technically told me not to ask stuff like this, but I couldn't resist: is there anyone else on the board who prefers both Super Mario Galaxies to Super Mario 64, prefers Twilight Princess to both Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, AND prefers Melee to Brawl?

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LinkMarioSamus
07/26/11 6:24:00 AM
#36:


up

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LinkMarioSamus
07/26/11 6:55:00 AM
#37:


If no one else votes, a certain match will have to be decided by overtime.

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LinkMarioSamus
07/26/11 7:14:00 AM
#38:


'Kay guys, looks like Phoenix Wright 3 and Street Fighter II have successfully tangled themselves up into overtime.

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th3l3fty
07/26/11 7:47:00 AM
#39:


will you ever learn that "stop" does, in fact, mean "stop" and not something else?

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TsunamiXXVIII
07/26/11 8:03:00 AM
#40:


Yeah, it's like he feels like Leon being on vacation means the normal rules don't apply.

He is right about overtime being necessary, though.

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Haste_2
07/26/11 9:30:00 AM
#41:


Wow, FFX did awful. I'm more and more tempted to say that FF6 is the most competitive Final Fantasy, despite not even being voted enough points to make the Top 25. At least it beat Mario Galaxy 2.

The best FFX has done is scrape by three borderline Top 25 games: Yoshi's Island, Okami, and TP. Oh, and and beat FFIX through SFF. The only thing it's done well against is fodder.

I'm very happy for MK64, though! I wouldn't mind voters hopping on the bandwagon for it... be a little more friendly towards it and toss it a vote, please. :)

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TsunamiXXVIII
07/26/11 11:40:00 AM
#42:


Okay, now I'm starting to get a bit impatient. Time was up over four hours ago.

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paulg235
07/26/11 11:57:00 AM
#43:


Last Visit Tuesday, July 26, 2011 4:39 AM

Good lord, people, he hasn't been online since late last night. Grow some patience. So what if he isn't around for several hours?

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swirIdude
07/26/11 12:45:00 PM
#44:


I've said before that I'm on vacation, so the match schedule would be a bit irregular. The world isn't going to end if an OT match isn't started exactly when the main match ends. (At any rate, I still need to put together the official count to make sure it tied!)

So, Tsunami, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but I can't count your spontaneous OT topic.

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TsunamiXXVIII
07/26/11 12:55:00 PM
#45:


That's too bad, because I spent most of the last hour composing a results post--which gave a new appreciation for what Leon does every day. Never again will I complain about the results being a little late. (Oh, and sorry, I didn't notice where you said that you, too, are on vacation. Kind of makes me think that Leon should've just put the contest on hold, though.)

The results post is all ready, now. All I'd have to do is press "post".

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swirIdude
07/26/11 12:58:00 PM
#46:


What, do you really want Leon to put the contest on hold for another week, when just a few hours of no contest drove you crazy? It's not ideal for Leon to be out of town at the same time I'm on vacation and l3fty's laptop broke down, but we're making the best of our situation.

Ok, checked through the voting topic, a tie did happen. Will post an official OT topic shortly, then I'll get the next day running.

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TsunamiXXVIII
07/26/11 1:04:00 PM
#47:


"A few hours of no contest" didn't drive me crazy. "Extremely tardy updating when the contest is supposed to not be on hiatus" did, because it seems like laziness (even though I now know that this wasn't the case).

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The Real Truth
07/26/11 1:25:00 PM
#48:


Someone is actually getting upset about the contest not being consistent? Or the contest in general?

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TsunamiXXVIII
07/26/11 2:01:00 PM
#49:


Day 62 Results (sorry, but I ain't wasting an hour's worth of work):

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Games of the Decades Conference) (2-9) - 22 (59.46%)
MVP Baseball 2K5 (Metroid Eater Conference) (0-11) - 15 (40.54%)

These two games fought evenly for most of the match, but CoD4 went on a run to pick up its second win.

#7 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (Zelda Overload Conference) (10-1) - 29 (80.56%)
Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (3-8) - 7 (19.44%)

ALttP bounces back from its loss to Chrono Trigger with a quadrupling of Ratchet and Clank.

Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (5-6) - 26 (70.27%)
Guitar Hero II (Sonic Overload Conference) (1-10) - 11 (29.73%)

An RPG crushing a rhythm game. No surprises here.

Shadow Hearts (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (5-6) - 11 (32.35%)
Half-Life 2 (Sonic Overload Conference) (9-2) - 23 (67.65%)

Half-Life 2 continues to try to make a case for Top 25 consideration by sending Shadow Hearts to its fourth straight loss.

Marvel vs. Capcom 2: New Age of Heroes (Smash Trigger Conference) (6-5) - 17 (47.22%)
Shadow of the Colossus (Patriot Time Portals Conference) (5-6) - 19 (52.78%)

Though barely above .500, MvC2 is still in second place in the Smash Trigger Conference.

Nier (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (2-9) - 17 (56.67%)
Gears of War (Sonic Overload Conference) (0-11) - 13 (43.33%)

Nier > Gears in a low-scoring match. That's 2 wins in a row after an 0-9 start, albeit against a pair of winless games.

#9 Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (Fanservice Conference) (11-0) - 20 (9-8 OT) (51.28%)
Street Fighter II (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) 19 (48.72%)

Phoenix had to overcome a huge deficit against its Capcom rival to tie up the main match, but never trailed in either the unofficial or the official OT.

Burnout 3: Takedown (Smash Trigger Conference) (4-7) - 16 (47.06%)
Diablo II (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (5-6) - 18 (52.94%)

Burnout 3 was actually the first game to break the 10-vote mark yesterday--yes, even before ALttP--but couldn't hang on as Diablo II's losing streak ends at 5.

Jet Force Gemini (Smash Trigger Conference) (4-7) - 18 (56.25%)
Mega Man Legends (Metroid Eater Conference) (1-10) - 14 (43.75%)

JFG was in control pretty much throughout the match.

Dark Cloud 2 (Smash Trigger Conference) (4-7) - 10 (30.30%)
Xenogears (Brawl for Broke Conference) (7-4) - 23 (69.70%)

Xenogears might be better than its record indicates, given that three of its four losses are to top-25 games.

#12 Metal Gear Solid (Zelda Overload Conference) (10-1) - 23 (67.65%)
Valkyria Chronicles (Brawl for Broke Conference) (6-5) - 11 (32.35%)

Metal Gear Solid just keeps rolling along.

Sonic CD (Sonic Overload Conference) (3-8) - 15 (46.88%)
Suikoden II (Nintendo Objections Conference) (8-3) - 17 (53.13%)

That's 7 straight losses for Sonic CD, which despite being a 2D game has the worst record of any Sonic game.

Chrono Cross (Sonic Overload Conference) (7-4) - 18 (51.43%)
Killer7 (Metroid Eater Conference) (4-7) - 17 (48.57%)

A close-fought battle goes in favor of the RPG.

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (Patriot Time Portals Conference) (8-3) - 21 (63.64%)
God of War II (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (3-8) - 12 (36.36%)

Metal Gear goes 2 for 2 today.

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07/26/11 2:14:00 PM
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OFFICIAL RESULTS AND COMMENTARY

22 - Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2-9) 59.5%
15 - MVP Baseball 2005 (0-11) 40.5%

America's pastime beats America's slowest pastime.

29 - #7 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (10-1) 80.6%
7 - Ratchet and Clank Future: A Crack in Time (3-8) 19.4%

Leon says you should all play R&C.

26 - Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride (5-6) 70.3%
11 - Guitar Hero II (1-10) 29.7%

The Heavenly Bride did not go up the Stairway to Heaven.

11 - Shadow Hearts (5-6) 32.4%
23 - Half-Life 2 (9-2) 67.6%

Yuri has head crabs.

17 - Marvel vs Capcom 2 (6-5) 47.2%
19 - Shadow of the Colossus (5-6) 52.8%

Shadow of the Colossus was better than the recently canned Shadow of the Mega Man.

17 - Nier (2-9) 56.7%
13 - Gears of War (0-11) 43.3%

Gears is no Nierer to a victory.

20 - #9 Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials & Tribulations (11-0) (OT, 9-8) 51.3%
19 - Street Fighter II 48.7%

PW3 wins on a last second TAKE THAT! Ryu demanded an appeal.

16 - Burnout 3: Takedown (4-7) 47.1%
18 - Diablo II (5-6) 52.9%

The only one creating a fiery takedown today was Diablo.

18 - Jet Force Gemini (4-7) 56.3%
14 - Mega Man Legends (1-10) 43.7%

Due to a lack of fans, Mega Man Legends had its win canceled.

10 - Dark Cloud 2 (4-7) 30.3%
23 - Xenogears (7-4) 69.7%

Xenogears is the only "gears" game racking up wins!

23 - #12 Metal Gear Solid (10-1) 67.6%
11 - Valkyria Chronicles (6-5) 32.4%

In this match, MGS was the Imperials and Valkyria Chronicles was Bruhl.

15 - Sonic CD (3-8) 46.9%
17 - Suikoden II (8-3) 53.1%

Nothing to rage about today, right Suiko fans?

18 - Chrono Cross (7-4) 51.4%
17 - Killer7 (4-7) 48.6%

Killer7? More like KILLED7!

21 - Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (8-3) 63.6%
12 - God of War II (3-8) 36.4%

Even a God cannot stand up to the Patriots! (Al Davis agrees.)

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