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RPI


1. Chrono Trigger (1)
2. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (4)
3. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (3)
4. Super Mario 64 (2)
5. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (5)
6. Super Metroid (6)
7. Paper Mario (7)
8. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (8)
9. Resident Evil 4 (9)
10. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (11)
11. Super Mario Bros. 3 (10)
12. Mega Man 2 (12)
13. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (13)
14. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (14)
15. Super Mario Galaxy (15)
16. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (20)
17. Metal Gear Solid (21)
18. Tales of Symphonia (16)
19. Assassin's Creed II (18)
20. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (17)
21. Portal (22)
22. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (23)
23. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (19)
24. Super Mario World (24)
25. Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (25)
Final Fantasy IX (26)
Metroid Prime (27)
Fire Emblem 7 (28)
Final Fantasy Tactics (30)
Final Fantasy X (34)

Company Breakdown of Top 25: 15.5 - Nintendo, 3 - Capcom, 2 - Konami, 1.5 - Square, 1 - Namco, 1 - Ubisoft, 1 - Valve

Hey, at least 3 Square are sitting there at 26-30!

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Lawl FF7.

...where was FF7 before this?

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Not sure what you're loling at. FFVII isn't on my board, it's still in the mid-50s.

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Didn't know that. I thought it was in the top 25 all this time for whatever stupid reason.

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Oh and Brawl did worse against Legend of Legaia than Shadow of the Colossus did in week 5.

Lol Brawl. We should feed Shadow of the Colossus to it just to see who gets anti-voted more.

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Hint: Brawl will still crush it.

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Oh yeah and we should pit Half-Life 2 against GoldenEye.

Or maybe pit GoldenEye against Twilight Princess so that the former can soak up enough anti-votes to render Twilight Princess undefeated no longer. Not that I'd want such a result.

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Do people anti-vote TP?

There's a difference between not liking it as much as other Zelda games and hating it enough to vote any game against it.

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What GoldenEye needs to do is stop facing Nintendo games because it's clearly falling pretty low on the totem pole there.

Thankfully, it has just the cure for all its losing woes next week!

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Just in case you didn't think we had ENOUGH Mario games in the top 25, here's two more!

Ha, just watch SMRPG beat SOTN next week and get enough points to make it back up in the charts again, too!

Surprisingly (in my eyes), Yoshi's Island is holding up so far. If it wins, I figure Majora's Mask is just weaker than we thought. (as much as I'd LIKE to think Yoshi's Island is a Top 15 game....)

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Do people anti-vote TP?

There's a difference between not liking it as much as other Zelda games and hating it enough to vote any game against it.

At this point in the contest, I think people are going to see TP being undefeated and go "no, that can't stay any longer, especially against an undisputed classic like GoldenEye".

Not that I'd vote against TP there. I have a strange feeling that TP will lose to Suikoden II next week though. Lots of weird stuff has been happening in the last two weeks.

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It's apparently a pretty disputed classic considering it can't beat anything from Nintendo.

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Well, I suppose that's all too true. I just have a feeling that Twilight Princess (and maybe even Brawl as well) will suffer against a major Nintendo game from 2002 or earlier.

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I'm not sure where you're getting the notion that TP isn't really strong. It's probably close to Wind Waker/Majora's Mask.

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Man I'm wondering if I wanna start anti-voting Mario

I mean gosh his games are okay but practically every Mario game nominated being in the top 25 is zzzzz

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Man I'm wondering if I wanna start anti-voting Mario

It begins.

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Yeah I can't find it in my heart to vote for Mario games much anymore. Not when Mario Teaches Typing would be a contender for the Top 25 !

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Well I'm very big on anti-voting. Probably a good 1/4 of the votes I make are because I'm anti-voting the other game.

This would be the first time I'd anti-vote something based entirely on contest results, though.

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If only this anti-voting had started sooner! FFVIII could've beaten Mario 64!

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I rarely ever anti-vote. Underdog voting, now that's something I can get behind.

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Yesterday's results:

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Games of the Decades Conference) (1-6) – 12 (31.58%)
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (3-4) – 26 (68.42%)
--Once again, it's clear which franchise Board 8 would rather anti-vote!

Shining Force II (Games of the Decades Conference) (2-5) – 9 (26.47%)
Bioshock (Sonic Overload Conference) (6-1) – 25 (73.53%)
--Bioshock improves to 6-1 with a blowout win of Shining Force II.

Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald (Nintendo Objections Conference) (4-3) – 25 (60.98%)
Sonic Colors (Games of the Decades Conference) (2-5) – 16 (39.02%)
--R/S/E gets an easy win over Sonic Colors.

#17 The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (Games of the Decades Conference) (5-2) – 20 (47.62%)
#21 Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (Brawl for Broke Conference) (7-0) – 22 (52.38%)
--In case you forgot, say it with me: Mario always wins!

Street Fighter II (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (4-3) – 22 (55.00%)
Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (2-5) – 18 (45.00%)
--SFII struggled mightily against Lufia II, but a win's a win.

WWF No Mercy (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (1-6) – 14 (35.15%)
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (Zelda Overload Conference) (5-2) – 27 (65.85%)
--Wind Waker lays the smack down on No Mercy.

Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (1-6) – 21 (61.76%)
Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo (Smash Trigger Conference) (0-7) – 13 (38.24%)
--Enjoy this win, Ace Combat. It probably won't be this easy for you the rest of the year.

Mega Man 9 (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (1-6) – 21 (52.50%)
Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) – 19 (5-2) (47.50%)
--And DMC3's good record is exposed for the sham it is due to the weak schedule by losing to the previously winless Mega Man 9, which on the other hand, had faced stiff competition up to this point.

Sonic CD (Sonic Overload Conference) (3-4) – 5 (12.50%)
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening (Zelda Overload Conference) (3-4) – 35 (87.50%)
--Ouch, two weeks in a row that Sonic CD gets absolutely pulverized by a Nintendo game.

Mega Man Legends (Metroid Eater Conference) (1-6) – 10 (23.81%)
#24 Final Fantasy VII (Fanservice Conference) (5-2) – 32 (76.19%)
--Tron Bonne reminded Cloud of Yuffie, and so he proceeded to thoroughly beat the crap out of her.

Killer7 (Metroid Eater Conference) (1-6) – 14 (33.33%)
Mario Kart 64 (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (5-2) – 28 (66.67%)
--Mario Kart 64 has no problems putting away its opponent this time.

Star Ocean: The Second Story (Smash Trigger Conference) (2-5) – 22 (66.67%)
Dynasty Warriors 4 (Metroid Eater Conference) (0-7) – 11 (33.33%)
--Oh look, another doubling!

Worms: Armageddon (Patriot Time Portals Conference) (2-5) – 20 (54.05%)
Twisted Metal 2 (Smash Trigger Conference) (2-5) – 17 (45.95%)
--Worms gets its second win in a low-scoring bout with Twisted Metal 2.

Mega Man X (Fanservice Conference) (4-3) – 16 (39.02%)
#25 Final Fantasy IX (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (6-1) – 25 (60.98%)
--FFIX rebounds from its first loss with a solid win over MMX.

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My poor Super Puzzle Fighter

I thought yesterday was its big chance to get its first win. Oh well.

And augh DMC3 Sham's Awakening this board is the worst. That record should be 6-1 with NOTHING BUT POWER.

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#17 The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (Games of the Decades Conference) (5-2) – 20 (47.62%)
#21 Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (Brawl for Broke Conference) (7-0) – 22 (52.38%)

......

...what?

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#17 The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (Games of the Decades Conference) (5-2) – 20 (47.62%)
#21 Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (Brawl for Broke Conference) (7-0) – 22 (52.38%)

B8 why you do this

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Mario 8 strikes again!

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RPI


1. Chrono Trigger (1)
2. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (2)
3. Super Mario 64 (4)
4. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (3)
5. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (5)
6. Super Metroid (6)
7. Paper Mario (7)
8. Resident Evil 4 (9)
9. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (8)
10. Super Mario Bros. 3 (11)
11. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (10)
12. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (14)
13. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (13)
14. Mega Man 2 (12)
15. Super Mario Galaxy (15)
16. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (16)
17. Assassin's Creed II (19)
18. Tales of Symphonia (18)
19. Metal Gear Solid (17)
20. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (20)
21. Final Fantasy IX (26)
22. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (22)
23. Portal (21)
24. Super Mario World (24)
25. Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (25)
Final Fantasy X (30)
Fire Emblem 7 (28)
Metroid Prime (27)
Final Fantasy Tactics (29)
Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (39)

So, two winless games get wins, and that means DKC2 vaults all the way onto the board! Quit monkeying around!

Majora's Mask is down to 36 following the loss.

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Hell yeah Yoshi's Island, down with 3D Zelda.

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#17 The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (Games of the Decades Conference) (5-2) – 20 (47.62%)
#21 Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (Brawl for Broke Conference) (7-0) – 22 (52.38%)

You people should be ashamed.

Hey, let's look on the bright side!

We can drop Majora's Mask from the rankings and put Twilight Princess in its place now!

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Or Mega Man 2!

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Seriously, SMW2 is an annoying game. Wow at that, terrible. Looks like the anti-vote factor is kicking in for Majora's Mask now.

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Majora's Mask is overrated anyways. Never saw the love for the game.

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RPI


1. Chrono Trigger (1)
2. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (2)
3. Super Mario 64 (4)
4. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (3)
5. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (5)
6. Super Metroid (6)
7. Paper Mario (7)
8. Resident Evil 4 (9)
9. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (8)
10. Super Mario Bros. 3 (11)
11. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (10)
12. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (14)
13. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (13)
14. Mega Man 2 (12)
15. Super Mario Galaxy (15)
16. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (16)
17. Assassin's Creed II (19)
18. Tales of Symphonia (18)
19. Metal Gear Solid (17)
20. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (20)
21. Final Fantasy IX (26)
22. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (22)
23. Portal (21)
24. Super Mario World (24)
25. Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (25)
Final Fantasy X (30)
Fire Emblem 7 (28)
Metroid Prime (27)
Final Fantasy Tactics (29)
Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (39)

So, two winless games get wins, and that means DKC2 vaults all the way onto the board! Quit monkeying around!

Majora's Mask is down to 36 following the loss.

Seriously, how the heck does Majora's Mask fall so far despite only suffering a narrow loss to a game that it was already considerably ranked lower than? And while we're at it, how the heck does this RPI work?

Somehow I'm finding this contest extremely addicting to follow.

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One thing is that a loss is a loss, you could lose by 1 vote or 100 the game still takes the same hit.

Basically it takes the record of the game, it's opponents record and their opponents record (so your opponent's opponents)

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RPI Formula

(((2/3*Win Pct + 2/3*Average Vote Pct + 1/2*Opp Win Pct + 1/2*Opp Avg Vote Pct + 1/3*Opp Win Pct^2 + 1/3*Opp Avg Vote Pct^2) / 2 ) -0.5) * 2.

NOTE: The ^2 actually means "Opponents of the Opponent", (not squared) but I didn't want to type that all out.

Some causes of large RPI rises and falls are:

Big win/loss (well, duh)

Previous Opponents wins/losses (particularly if more than one does it in the same update)

RPI score (some gaps are much thinner than others in terms of overall RPI score).

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I suppose I should also mention that this contest's results are to play a huge part in deciding my future playthroughs. Ironically enough, by my count I've played 15 of the games in the official top 25 (and this doesn't include Super Mario RPG, which I have played but never finished and it's been a long time since I touched the game), and 14 of what's in the RPI top 30 (again not counting Mario RPG). Going by both lists, along with critical acclaim from other sites, the next title I should head for is...

...Metal Gear Solid 3. Since I don't want a PS2 or 3DS, this means waiting for that MGS HD collection. Nuts.

EDIT: As far as featured matches go, Star Fox 64 currently has a two-vote lead on GSC and Final Fantasy X has a three-vote lead on Uncharted 2. Some part of me imagines that FFX will start pulling away later on, because if it doesn't it's going to be looking mighty bad struggling to break 60% on something that needed overtime just to overtake Mario Sunshine.

Metroid Prime vs. Final Fantasy X, do it!

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As a general rule, the one thing you don't want to do in this contest is lose.

So losing hurts your RPI more than anything else.

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Ironically enough, however, the RPI has a game in the top ten with one loss.

Although I suppose the fact that its name is SUPER MARIO BROTHERS THREE helps.

AND THE WEAKEST GAME THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDEFEATED IS APPARENTLY FIRE EMBLEM TEN, PATH OF RADIANCE. GLORY!!!

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It also helps that it has a strong schedule and its one loss was to Chrono Trigger, the current #1 game.

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Nothing wrong with Majora's Mask losing. I may begin to anti-vote Mario but I'm not gonna do it against bad Zelda games.

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Wow, I'm surprised that Uncharted 2 is continuing to give Final Fantasy X a good fight.

I'm going to repeat this: we need GoldenEye/Half-Life 2/Twilight Princess to face off against each other.

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Why are so many people insulting the best game ever here?

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YI over Majora isn't that weird. those two games have seemed about equal.

YI probably belongs near the top 10 at this point, in that Super Metroid/Paper Mario range.

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Yeah, Majora's Mask is barely deserving of a top 25 spot at all anymore, if even.

Not sure where you're getting Mario 8 from, though. I count it as the tenth, and it would be far easier to strike a single one of the earlier games from being considered canon than it would to strike two.

1: Donkey Kong
2: Mario Bros.
3: Super Mario Bros.
4: Super Mario Bros. 2 (Japan)
5: Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA)
6: Super Mario Bros. 3
7: Super Mario Land
8: Super Mario World
9: Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins
10: Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
11: Super Mario 64
12: Super Mario Sunshine
13: New Super Mario Bros.
14: Super Mario Galaxy
15: New Super Mario Bros. Wii
16: Super Mario Galaxy 2

This is, of course, by absolute release order; absolutely no individual region follows this order. In Japan, the US Super Mario Bros. 2 didn't receive a release until after Bros. 3 and Land, whereas in the US, the Japan SMB2 wasn't released until the All-Stars compilation and Land was actually out before Bros. 3. I'm guessing the two that weren't included were either the two Land games (nobody ever respects the handhelds) or the two arcade games. Well, whatever.

(And yeah, that 16-piece ranking topic I made a couple of weeks ago, which I don't think anyone guessed before it purged, was about Mario.)

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Donkey Kong counts but not Donkey Kong '94?

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