Board 8 > Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 8: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

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DoomTheGyarados
05/02/22 2:55:32 PM
#1:


players

1. Sultan
2. Scare
3. Plum
4. Lopen
5. changmas
6. htaeD
7. Han
8. IGCD
9.Sbell
10.Kirby321
11.Mzero
12.Red

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htaeD
05/02/22 2:56:34 PM
#2:


htaeD posted...
Why and when would Changmas even have shot you Plum?

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masterplum
05/02/22 2:57:38 PM
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Chang has me as the only person on his top scum list. I assumed he would have killed me last night if he had multiple shots.

But having role related reasons to not shoot is WTF

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changmas
05/02/22 2:57:41 PM
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Might as well fully claim it now

I think not, sir. I'm sure you can figure it out though

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Kirby321
05/02/22 2:57:41 PM
#5:


Remind me to comment on chang's revelation in about fifteen minutes. I have some insight, but I want to see where this leads to first...

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htaeD
05/02/22 2:57:55 PM
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OH, sorry to ask a final question for you Plum

But this should be fair to answer

What if we ever lost or didnt make use of the ability to vote for Kings?
Does your Gladiator just override the normal lynch?

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/02/22 2:58:45 PM
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changmas posted...
I think not, sir. I'm sure you can figure it out though

Well you do not look good with this Gladiator claim now so it doesn't look good. What i can assume is every other night

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htaeD
05/02/22 2:59:01 PM
#8:


I mean there could be all kinds of reasons for a multihit vig to not be able so shoot twice in a row. Doesnt make Chang more or less scummy

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htaeD
05/02/22 2:59:23 PM
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Interesting that you immediately pick Plums side, Sultan

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masterplum
05/02/22 2:59:40 PM
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htaeD posted...
OH, sorry to ask a final question for you Plum

But this should be fair to answer

What if we ever lost or didnt make use of the ability to vote for Kings?
Does your Gladiator just override the normal lynch?

No, it would happen at the same time, and then I suppose if the lynch resulted in us losing before the normal lynch the game would end.

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changmas
05/02/22 2:59:49 PM
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Well you do not look good with this Gladiator claim now so it doesn't look good. What i can assume is every other night

well one of us has actually proved we can use our ability, so....

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Obellisk
05/02/22 3:00:20 PM
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Changs addition to his role actually makes me feel worse about him and better about plum...

speaking theoretically, multi shot vignsounds more like need more scum points to afford a second shot.

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Obellisk
05/02/22 3:01:03 PM
#13:


damn, I was sultaned.

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masterplum
05/02/22 3:01:15 PM
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Chang being a multi shot vig that also has apparently other role quirks screams scum.

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htaeD
05/02/22 3:01:46 PM
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Obellisk posted...
Changs addition to his role actually makes me feel worse about him and better about plum...

speaking theoretically, multi shot vignsounds more like need more scum points to afford a second shot.


I did think this
So Changmas I think you might as well come clean fully
I mean I am not sure I even want you to shoot again
...Then again you probably would shoot Plum, and I think the numbers would be on our side still

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changmas
05/02/22 3:02:21 PM
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masterplum posted...
Chang being a multi shot vig that also has apparently other role quirks screams scum.

you would say that, wouldn't you?

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Obellisk
05/02/22 3:02:32 PM
#17:


we lynch town and chang shoots town it's game over man, game over.

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htaeD
05/02/22 3:03:19 PM
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Would 4 town, 1 indy and 4 scum count as a loss for town?

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Obellisk
05/02/22 3:03:55 PM
#19:


And I just noticed the topic title.

you're such a shit, Chris.

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masterplum
05/02/22 3:03:57 PM
#20:


changmas posted...
you would say that, wouldn't you?

Yes.

Because I thought my role and single shot vig made sense, and my role and multi shot vig do not make sense

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changmas
05/02/22 3:04:11 PM
#21:


Obellisk posted...
we lynch town and chang shoots town it's game over man, game over.

you really think i'm shooting in that scenario? please have some respect for me

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Obellisk
05/02/22 3:05:01 PM
#22:


changmas posted...
you really think i'm shooting in that scenario? please have some respect for me

I mean, I don't know you like at all.

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Lopen
05/02/22 3:05:29 PM
#23:


Straight up don't care for Chang's addition to his role

Now it sounds like he's trying to overextend and force the plum lynch

##Unking

Still kinda okay with a plum lynch but we should really weigh whether scum extra kill as gladiator makes sense or just scum killing Ben + Ulti makes sense.

I really want plum to elaborate on why he thinks town vig + town gladiator makes sense though. Like have you even thought about the setup at all?

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Kirby321
05/02/22 3:06:14 PM
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What I don't understand is why scum chang would suddenly give this revelation when lynching plum will likely incriminate chang. Unless they're both scum and trying to bus?

If chang is scum, the right play would've been to just stay silent. Unless scum has a triple kill, then the game can't end until tomorrow regardless, if I did the math right. We'll be in MyLo if we don't get scum today, and if somehow there's an extra kill, then we just end up in LyLo tomorrow.

But a triple kill can't be possible because, as per Chris's rules, we wouldn't be in Kingmaker mode right now.

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/02/22 3:06:56 PM
#25:


htaeD posted...
Interesting that you immediately pick Plums side, Sultan

I haven't picked either persons side both look equally as bad to the other but being vague when a similar role was just claimed isn't a good look.
Dont put words in my mouth Death!

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Kirby321
05/02/22 3:07:23 PM
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In any case, seems everyone including plum has gotten their opinions in.

chang is bullshitting. I don't know why, but this is a direct contradiction:

changmas posted...
I'm not opposed to it if that's the play that needs to be made at the 24 hour mark but I personally doubt it's the optimal play for town. I'm certain there's either a player with a significantly better read on the game than mine right now who would be better as a leader in scumhunting, or someone with a more useful power to protect since I'm out of shots.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80002443/964646031

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DoomTheGyarados
05/02/22 3:08:19 PM
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[3] Sbell: Kirby, Han, Sbell
[2] Chang: Chang, Mzero
[2] Sultan: Plum, Sultan

Less than Four hours until No Lynch. It takes 6 to King.

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Lopen
05/02/22 3:08:45 PM
#28:


##King SBell

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htaeD
05/02/22 3:09:13 PM
#29:


That is a good point tho Kirby
A role that kills during the day and could suddenly send us into Mylo feels like it would mess with the very existence of a King.

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changmas
05/02/22 3:09:25 PM
#30:


Kirby321 posted...
In any case, seems everyone including plum has gotten their opinions in.

chang is bullshitting. I don't know why, but this is a direct contradiction:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80002443/964646031

why would it ever be in my best interest at that point in the game to let the mafia think I have more shots


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Kirby321
05/02/22 3:09:27 PM
#31:


I noticed that contradiction earlier, because chang said somewhere in Topic 5 that he never stated how many shots he had. Upon a reread, I noticed that specific line, but kept it silent in case chang was playing some greater mindgame or something.

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masterplum
05/02/22 3:09:32 PM
#32:


Lopen posted...
Straight up don't care for Chang's addition to his role

Now it sounds like he's trying to overextend and force the plum lynch

##Unking

Still kinda okay with a plum lynch but we should really weigh whether scum extra kill as gladiator makes sense or just scum killing Ben + Ulti makes sense.

I really want plum to elaborate on why he thinks town vig + town gladiator makes sense though. Like have you even thought about the setup at all?

Two potential town kills in 17 isnt crazy. I didnt bat an eye when Chang claimed vig. I immediately assumed it was single shot because it would be crazy otherwise but I thought vocalizing that thought process only could help scum.

As someone who really enjoys theorycrafting mafia games, I would be much more likely to put in two different roles for town that could kill over one town that can kill twice, because having a single town role that kills multiple times adds in a ton of unnecessary variance to the game. A bad town with multiple shots vs a great town with multiple shots is a huge swing in balance and I generally avoid that.

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htaeD
05/02/22 3:10:13 PM
#33:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...


I haven't picked either persons side both look equally as bad to the other but being vague when a similar role was just claimed isn't a good look.
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Very well, but thats the assumption I had to make from the way you questioned Chang

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Lopen
05/02/22 3:10:35 PM
#34:


So do you suspect Chang now plum?

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masterplum
05/02/22 3:11:42 PM
#35:


Lopen posted...
So do you suspect Chang now plum?

Oh absolutely. I would kill him. Our roles cant coexist.

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/02/22 3:13:52 PM
#36:


htaeD posted...
Very well, but thats the assumption I had to make from the way you questioned Chang

Fair point im just thinking being vague right now isn't pro town when a role similar enough to his has also been claimed

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Kirby321
05/02/22 3:15:17 PM
#37:


changmas posted...
why would it ever be in my best interest at that point in the game to let the mafia think I have more shots

... Okay fair point. Looking back at that same page, it lines up with what you said earlier about denying having any more shots.

In any case, I'm more willing to believe a multi-shot vig with a reload/cooldown period than the existence of gladiator contradicting the MyLo/LyLo rules.

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masterplum
05/02/22 3:16:14 PM
#38:


Kirby321 posted...
... Okay fair point. Looking back at that same page, it lines up with what you said earlier about denying having any more shots.

In any case, I'm more willing to believe a multi-shot vig with a reload/cooldown period than the existence of gladiator contradicting the MyLo/LyLo rules.

It doesnt contradict the rules though

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changmas
05/02/22 3:19:43 PM
#39:


i will full claim if it becomes absolutely necessary

BUT

right now it's mainly just my top two scum reads pushing for that, so I think I'm good to let that sit

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Kirby321
05/02/22 3:20:42 PM
#40:


masterplum posted...
It doesnt contradict the rules though

The rules state:
DoomTheGyarados posted...
At the dawn of any day where a King may cause town to fall after the lynch but before night phase, instead the game becomes one of majority rule as the rabble becomes too frightened to vote for a King.

So fair, it doesn't necessarily contradict the rules, but it certainly warps them a bit beyond expectation. I don't think anyone would reasonably expect 7 Town / 4 Scum to change the voting style, but with a Gladiator, that is totally in the realm of possibility. Gladiator match kills town + King mislynch on town + scum nightkill = game over. So in the case of 7 / 4, we'd have to do majority rules, which just seems odd without prior context of having a gladiator.

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Obellisk
05/02/22 3:21:05 PM
#41:


changmas posted...
i will full claim if it becomes absolutely necessary

BUT

right now it's mainly just my top two scum reads pushing for that, so I think I'm good to let that sit


if I'm kinged, which looks likely, I'm going to require it. and I'd rather have it now instead of you taking time (presumedly) to finish crafting it.

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htaeD
05/02/22 3:21:26 PM
#42:


I am also very curious, Chang

Need to be away for a bit tho..

So in the mean time

##Vote King: Sbell

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Lopen
05/02/22 3:21:26 PM
#43:


Chang question does plum's claim make you want to lynch him more or are you now leaning to Sultan

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changmas
05/02/22 3:21:44 PM
#44:


i promise you it is far more simple than whatever you imagine it to be

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changmas
05/02/22 3:22:14 PM
#45:


Lopen posted...
Chang question does plum's claim make you want to lynch him more or are you now leaning to Sultan

i've wanted to lynch / kill plum since the moment I saw Ben's flip fyi

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htaeD
05/02/22 3:22:30 PM
#46:


And heck an early Gladiator + Changs 2nd shot + King kill could end the game in a scumvictory tonight if everything goes wrong

It doesnt add up

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changmas
05/02/22 3:22:45 PM
#47:


but sure this gives me absolute certainty

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Lopen
05/02/22 3:23:02 PM
#48:


I know that

I'm saying how do you react to his claim vs a claim of vanilla

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/02/22 3:24:09 PM
#49:


What is our king vote at? I know im not going to be come king to many weary of me so ill probably just vote Sbell as well.

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changmas
05/02/22 3:24:24 PM
#50:


Lopen posted...
I know that

I'm saying how do you react to his claim vs a claim of vanilla

changmas posted...
but sure this gives me absolute certainty

sorry i ran into 60 second post flooding rules lol


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