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myzz7
04/28/22 8:50:59 AM
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I(33f) decided to help my brother(31m) with OLD apps. He has been struggling with dating and OLD apps for 3 years now and parents are concerned about his mental health. So I invited him to stay with me for a couple of weeks and told him that I would help him "fix" his dating app profiles as I was certain that he was doing something wrong. He halfheartedly agreed and brought a second phone that I could use.
He is 6'0'', 165 lbs and has moderately good looks. He has a stable job which makes him good money.
I set up his account on Tinder and Bumble, and completed his profile, description etc on his second phone. I also swiped and initially chatted with the women who matched with the profile. My aim was to show him how to talk to women to keep them interested in him because his main complaint was that they never respond. I thought of sending the first few messages and then letting him continue the conversation. It has been 2 weeks now, my experience has been utter garbage. Nobody wants to have a conversation. I don't quite understand why. Maybe I am doing something wrong?
I feel depressed, probably because all these years, I kept telling him that he was doing something wrong. I always thought that only rude, broke, obese, unhygienic and bad looking men sucked at dating apps and others had a fair chance. Well, I was in for a rude awakening. This is what I experienced.
  1. Very few matches, when compared to what we women get. He got a few matches on the first couple of days. Post that, it's just a match or 2 a day. I used to get scores of "good" matches everyday when I used OLD for myself - and I was very picky.
  2. Hardly any responses from his matches. Women just don't want to have anything to do with him. This was perhaps what affected me the most. I watched in despair as matches just kept expiring. Sometimes they would stop after a few messages and other times they wouldn't even send a message or a reply. I have used bumble and tinder myself. Men don't do this. 90 percent of men respond to the first message. This is worse than getting a dick pic (which has happened to me a few times). At least the person on the other side wants you - even if it is just for sex. Imagine being ignored like a piece of trash. That's what it felt like. 90 percent of the matches never initiated the conversation on responded to the first message. How is he supposed to get a date when there are no responses from the other side.
  3. Very poor quality matches. Most women who matched with his profile were nowhere close to his educational qualifications or salary range. In fact, there wasn't even a single match who initiated a conversation that I would say matched his salary and education level. I never had this problem on OLD apps. There were loads of men who were either equal or better than me in salary and education. I met my current bf on bumble and he makes as much as I do.
I don't know why men even go through this. He seems to be okay with this experience and is holding his own - I don't understand how. I know we can't change the dating scene much. The least we can do is empathize with the person instead of telling them they are doing something wrong. Honestly, I don't even know if I am doing anything wrong myself. I am just doing what worked for me.
I am going to ask him to stop using OLD and go out there. I am sure he will find it easier to find a good woman to date in real life.
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BlackBlueButts
04/28/22 8:52:26 AM
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Women get too much attention, men don't get enough attention.

Wish there was a way to balance the scales.

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Were_Wyrm
04/28/22 8:54:06 AM
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BlackBlueButts posted...
Wish there was a way to balance the scales.
Start collecting infinity stones

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s0nicfan
04/28/22 8:55:41 AM
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Reminds me of this story:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Made_Man_(book)

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gunplagirl
04/28/22 8:56:32 AM
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So she admitted she has been picky when she used apps, and that she got tons of messages. But she is somehow surprised that means most guys don't get a response?

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Antifar
04/28/22 8:56:52 AM
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This is the first time I've seen OLD used as an acronym for online dating. Can't say I like it.

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CyricZ
04/28/22 8:56:57 AM
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"Out there" sounds like a great place. Is it on the bus line?

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ThyCorndog
04/28/22 8:59:30 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
So she admitted she has been picky when she used apps, and that she got tons of messages. But she is somehow surprised that means most guys don't get a response?
Lol indeed

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ANort175
04/28/22 9:00:20 AM
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Antifar posted...
This is the first time I've seen OLD used as an acronym for online dating. Can't say I like it.

Exactly what I was thinking.

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g0ldie
04/28/22 9:00:26 AM
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maybe she just doesn't know how to talk to women

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teep_
04/28/22 9:00:40 AM
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Stuff like this is why I don't want to get into online dating tbh. My self esteem is fragile enough as it is

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KainWind
04/28/22 9:01:26 AM
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Antifar posted...
This is the first time I've seen OLD used as an acronym for online dating. Can't say I like it.

Thank you. It only took me reading your post twice to finally figure out why she kept saying OLD.

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Esrac
04/28/22 9:05:05 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
Reminds me of this story:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Made_Man_(book)

Yeah, I've read that book a few years back.

The relevant tl;dr version is a lesbian thought she would masquerade as a man for a while and, when it came to dating, found that it is actually really hard for a guy; there is a lot more pressure as a man and that women are very cold and cruel to the men they reject. She admits that she faced so much rejection that she struggled with feeling resentment toward women in general.
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Lebronwon
04/28/22 9:12:04 AM
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Reminds me of this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNONlWyD_kU

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darkbuster
04/28/22 9:19:30 AM
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Translation: Spend a few weeks as a man, & incels don't seem so incomprehensible anymore.

Seriously, she admits to how picky she was herself, then feels surprised how difficult it would be for those on the other end of this mentality? It's amazing how few people can truly manage critical thinking.

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gunplagirl
04/28/22 9:24:55 AM
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Also, cishet dating in general is still easy mode. If I was managing a match or two a day between all my accounts back when I heavily used them, I'd have been a happy camper. Heck, I can't remember the list time I matched with a cis woman who didn't turn out to be one of those "husband/ bf and me looking for a third" accounts.

darkbuster posted...
Translation: Spend a few weeks as a man, & incels don't seem so incomprehensible anymore.

Seriously, she admits to how picky she was herself, then feels surprised how difficult it would be for those on the other end of this mentality? It's amazing how few people can truly manage critical thinking.
Most people lack any genuine sense of self awareness. Or even a sense of self in any greater context than literally just what they deal with directly on a regular basis.

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AdrianBeterson
04/28/22 9:26:10 AM
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I was drunk one night and used Snapchats gender swap feature to make a tinder account using a female version picture of me. The results I got in one hour are below:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/6/AAazv-AADLaE.jpg

This was on a profile with one picture, no description and zero effort. I have never had this much success as a man. I promptly deleted my account and have never touched online dating since then.

Just imagine, if a dude pretending to be a woman who is using a grainy Snapchat gender swap picture gets this much attention, imagine what an AVERAGE looking woman gets, let alone a decently attractive one. Its no wonder that good, quality men have a hard time on online dating. Its horrible out there as a man in online dating.

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Cobra1010
04/28/22 9:27:23 AM
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This this what happens when the census of these dating apps are likely to be 30:1 men to women.

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gunplagirl
04/28/22 9:27:56 AM
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Cobra1010 posted...
This this what happens when the census of these dating apps are likely to be 30:1 men to women.
That's true

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Esrac
04/28/22 9:43:19 AM
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AdrianBeterson posted...
I was drunk one night and used Snapchats gender swap feature to make a tinder account using a female version picture of me. The results I got in one hour are below:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/6/AAazv-AADLaE.jpg

This was on a profile with one picture, no description and zero effort. I have never had this much success as a man. I promptly deleted my account and have never touched online dating since then.

Just imagine, if a dude pretending to be a woman who is using a grainy Snapchat gender swap picture gets this much attention, imagine what an AVERAGE looking woman gets, let alone a decently attractive one. Its no wonder that good, quality men have a hard time on online dating. Its horrible out there as a man in online dating.

Online Dating Apps in general were a mistake.
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Choco
04/28/22 10:01:55 AM
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The least we can do is empathize with the person instead of telling them they are doing something wrong.
yup, and not just in dating

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Strider102
04/28/22 10:04:37 AM
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The average woman blah blah

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Ilishe
04/28/22 10:07:16 AM
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She talks a lot about salary and education because those are apparently what determines a person's worth.

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Strider102
04/28/22 10:07:36 AM
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Maybe she should try dating her brother.

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KylianMbappe
04/28/22 10:09:22 AM
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Men: *use shitty pictures, swipe right on every girl and send the most boring, generic small talk intros*
Also men: "Why is no one responding to us"

LOL ok stop being self deprecating

get a haircut, stop wearing cargo shorts and have someone take nice pictures of you and be creative for success instead of complaining about women.

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Heartomaton
04/28/22 10:11:51 AM
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Can confirm. Using dating apps is a source of near-constant psychological torture and heartache.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/9/5/AAcI8BAADLar.jpg

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JuanCarlos1
04/28/22 10:12:32 AM
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BlackBlueButts posted...
Women get too much attention, men don't get enough attention.

Wish there was a way to balance the scales.


Having money

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viewmaster_pi
04/28/22 10:13:40 AM
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KylianMbappe posted...
Men: *use shitty pictures, swipe right on every girl and send the most boring, generic small talk intros*
Also men: "Why is no one responding to us"

LOL ok stop being self deprecating

get a haircut, stop wearing cargo shorts and have someone take nice pictures of you and be creative for success instead of complaining about women.

tinder is literally a red carpet for men to get laid if you try
why break out an alt for this

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Solution_45
04/28/22 10:19:10 AM
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KylianMbappe posted...
Men: *use shitty pictures, swipe right on every girl and send the most boring, generic small talk intros*
Also men: "Why is no one responding to us"

LOL ok stop being self deprecating

get a haircut, stop wearing cargo shorts and have someone take nice pictures of you and be creative for success instead of complaining about women.

tinder is literally a red carpet for men to get laid if you try

hey now don't get crazy
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Oubliettes
04/28/22 10:27:07 AM
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no one worth having sex with gives a shit about cargo shorts

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Sad_Face
04/28/22 10:30:15 AM
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myzz7 posted...
I feel depressed, probably because all these years, I kept telling him that he was doing something wrong. I always thought that only rude, broke, obese, unhygienic and bad looking men sucked at dating apps and others had a fair chance.

lololol this is great. A rule of thumb I have is that if you notice a decent percentage of people have a problem (Something that's far beyond "you're the only one I know with X problem"), there's some societal effect that makes it a lot harder for them to do on their own.

I'm not trying to discredit personal responsibility, but there's some a line between something people with common knowledge should be able to accomplish versus having to sit down, diagnose the situation and engineer a solution with consultation for outside perspectives, that's a lot to expect the general populace to do without giving up.

s0nicfan posted...
Reminds me of this story:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Made_Man_(book)
Esrac posted...
The relevant tl;dr version is a lesbian thought she would masquerade as a man for a while and, when it came to dating, found that it is actually really hard for a guy; there is a lot more pressure as a man and that women are very cold and cruel to the men they reject. She admits that she faced so much rejection that she struggled with feeling resentment toward women in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7kP_dd6LU

I need to pick up the book because I thought this 20 minute piece was quite solid.

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Master Kazuya
04/28/22 10:35:54 AM
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Im some ways it's a blessing in disguise, the less rejection phases you, the better you are at making choices. Even if you go from caring the most on the planet to the second most, it's still progress.

It fucking sucks though and sometimes the sting of just wanting to snuggle up for the night but being alone gets to me.

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ExtremeLuchador
04/28/22 10:36:23 AM
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FYI, there are plenty of good politicians who want to tear down this hook-up culture and restore our great values running this year.

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Turtlebread
04/28/22 10:37:25 AM
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ExtremeLuchador posted...
FYI, there are plenty of good politicians who want to tear down this hook-up culture and restore our great values running this year.


please tell me more!!!

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Sad_Face
04/28/22 10:39:28 AM
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ExtremeLuchador posted...
FYI, there are plenty of good politicians who want to tear down this hook-up culture and restore our great values running this year.

I'd be very very interested in hearing their ideas on how they intend to accomplish this. I can't imagine there'd be a solution that everyone would be happy with to eliminate the hook-up culture.

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Heartomaton
04/28/22 10:41:09 AM
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ExtremeLuchador posted...
FYI, there are plenty of good politicians who want to tear down this hook-up culture and restore our great values running this year.

Stop trying to recruit incels into right-wing lunacy.

They don't need help with that.

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Oubliettes
04/28/22 10:41:11 AM
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Sad_Face posted...
I'd be very very interested in hearing their ideas on how they intend to accomplish this. I can't imagine there'd be a solution that everyone would be happy with to eliminate the hook-up culture.

mandatory ice cream socials boom

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CyricZ
04/28/22 10:53:51 AM
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Oubliettes posted...
mandatory ice cream socials boom
I am in favor of these even not factoring in the potential for relationships.

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sktgamer_13dude
04/28/22 10:53:56 AM
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KylianMbappe posted...
Men: *use shitty pictures, swipe right on every girl and send the most boring, generic small talk intros*
Also men: "Why is no one responding to us"

LOL ok stop being self deprecating

get a haircut, stop wearing cargo shorts and have someone take nice pictures of you and be creative for success instead of complaining about women.

tinder is literally a red carpet for men to get laid if you try

whos alt

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Ruvan22
04/28/22 11:09:40 AM
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CyricZ posted...
I am in favor of these even not factoring in the potential for relationships.

But wait!! It's not ice cream but frogurt....
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FortuneCookie
04/28/22 11:10:52 AM
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BlackBlueButts posted...
Women get too much attention, men don't get enough attention.

Wish there was a way to balance the scales.

Genie: Granted!

*men everywhere suddenly grow boobs*
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CyricZ
04/28/22 11:12:35 AM
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Ruvan22 posted...
But wait!! It's not ice cream but frogurt....
That's good!

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Bananadra
04/28/22 11:15:22 AM
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Lol @ incels

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IfGodCouldDie
04/28/22 11:16:28 AM
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Lebronwon posted...
Reminds me of this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNONlWyD_kU
Naruto party for isis lol

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Lorenzo_2003
04/28/22 11:16:40 AM
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KylianMbappe posted...
tinder is literally a red carpet for men to get laid if you try

Lol.

Bruh, no. Just no.

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EricDraven
04/28/22 11:57:42 AM
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dating sites shouldnt be taken seriously

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random_man9119
04/28/22 12:00:12 PM
#49:


myzz7 posted...
it's just a match or 2 a day.

I wish I was even this lucky... I've only gotten 2 matches in the 5 years I've used Tinder...

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Questionmarktarius
04/28/22 12:06:09 PM
#50:


Thanos was right about online dating all along
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