Poll of the Day > People are complaining that Thor in the new movie is looking for peace.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Claiming that he's a God and super macho and therefore should be a prime example of toxic masculinity or some shit?

Have they seen some of the super popular big dudes in the world? The Rock, Jason Momoa, Arnold Schwartzenegger. All into peace and love and all that meditation shit.

Can't we all just... get along?

He's the god of thunder not the god of war

A piece, he's looking for A PIECE...

He's the god of LOVE and thunder.

Well, to be kind of honest, Thor in actual mythology was sometimes kind of an asshole.

The_tall_midget posted...

Well, to be kind of honest, Thor in actual mythology was sometimes kind of an asshole.

At least according to post-Christianized Nordic Mythology. Granted, before Prose Edda and the like were written, it was accepted that Thor had a brash side he was known for. So... *shrugs*

Zareth posted...

He's the god of thunder not the god of war

He was the god of about a dozen different things. And he was a warrior god. In most of the myths about him his solution to pretty much every problem was to hit it very hard. Except for the myths where he gets drunk before he hits things. Or the one where he crossdresses (and then hits someone really, really hard). Or Loki does something clever to solve the problem.

If anything, Marvel Thor has always been waaaaay more mellow than actual Thor.

Ironically, Marvel Thor is more like mythological Hercules, while Marvel Hercules is kind of more like mythological Thor.



The_tall_midget posted...

Well, to be kind of honest, Thor in actual mythology was sometimes kind of an asshole.

Thor in actual mythology was usually an asshole.

But it's mostly a matter of perspective, because most Norse gods are usually assholes.

Are they still making these movies? Why?

wolfy42 posted...

A piece, he's looking for A PIECE...

He's the god of LOVE and thunder.

Why did this post make me laugh so hard lol

THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

Claiming that he's a God and super macho and therefore should be a prime example of toxic masculinity or some shit?

Have they seen some of the super popular big dudes in the world? The Rock, Jason Momoa, Arnold Schwartzenegger. All into peace and love and all that meditation shit.

Literally nobody would say those exact words.

11110111011 posted...

Are they still making these movies? Why?

Because most of them are good.

Revelation34 posted...

Because most of them are good.

Most? Ehh... not for the last three years or so.

Unless you mean the Thor movies specifically, in which case they only have a 66%-33% success rate depending on who you ask. So maybe still no.

11110111011 posted...

Are they still making these movies? Why?

Because people pay money to see them

I don't think it's fair to compare Thor, the comic book hero, to Thor, the mythological hero.

11110111011 posted...

Are they still making these movies? Why?

What kind of dumbass shitpost is this? These movies make a shitload of money.

11110111011 posted...

Are they still making these movies? Why?

$$$

At this point we've seen almost nothing of Thor 4.

I can say with certainty that 99% of the complaints you see are rooted in the person hating Thorette (for whatever reason)

shadowsword87 posted...

I don't think it's fair to compare Thor, the comic book hero, to Thor, the mythological hero.

I think it's always fair, because one is based on the other. And they always go back to that particular well whenever they run out of new ideas.

The fact that most comic book writers only have the barest grasp of actual mythology usually results in a shitty copy, but still.

Thor 4: The Quest for Peace

11110111011 posted...

Are they still making these movies? Why?

Why not? They sell and make them money so.

THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

Claiming that he's a God and super macho and therefore should be a prime example of toxic masculinity or some shit?

Or maybe it just doesn't fit the character from the comics. There was a story arc where he had Warriors' Madness and tried to destroy Asgard.

well he already destroyed asgard

Blightzkrieg posted...

At this point we've seen almost nothing of Thor 4.

I can say with certainty that 99% of the complaints you see are rooted in the person hating Thorette (for whatever reason)

maybe because Thor isn't a title, like Green Lantern....

Krazy_Kirby posted...

maybe because Thor isn't a title, like Green Lantern....

That was the biggest problem with the comic storyline, IMO. It wasn't that they'd made a woman Thor. It was the piss-poor writing and blatant virtue signaling.

They'd done stories where Thor lost his hammer and someone else gained "The Power of Thor" before, and people never flipped their shit over it. But when you write a story where Thor stops being "worthy" (without actually bothering to explain what he supposedly did wrong), so you could give the hammer to Jane Foster instead (who hasn't really been a major character in the Thor comics for nearly 50 years), then have Thor literally stop calling himself Thor (as if it was a title and not, you know, his fucking name), it's going to piss people off. And when your response to people complaining is to make a bad shoehorned "ethics in hammer wielding" joke in the comic itself, your motives and intentions are kind of blatantly clear.

It also didn't help that it happened at a time when Marvel was deep-sixing a lot of major characters one after the other so they could pander to Twitter in the desperate hope that someone would actually buy comic books again (spoiler: it didn't work). So it became obvious that it wasn't a case of someone at Marvel coming up with a good story they wanted to tell, as much as because there was a mandate to diversify as quickly as possible, which led to it mostly being a sloppy and poorly-written mess.

(It's kind of telling that the only "diversity characters" they've come up with over the last 20 years or so that actually kind of succeeded are the ones that didn't shit all over existing characters to justify their existence. People liked Miles Morales and Kamala Khan were extremely popular - even with cis white male fans. It was the hamfisted replacements like Jane Thor or Falcon Captain America or black teenage girl Iron Man that annoyed people.

Hell, the X-Men have been flooded with strong female characters and ethnic diversity for decades and it made them the most popular franchise Marvel had for nearly 40 years. Comic fans aren't automatically opposed to diversity when it's actually written well.)

When it comes to the Thor movie, I think the biggest problem is that they've kind of made Thor a joke (something a number of people have already complained about), while Natalie Portman already comes across like she doesn't actually want to be in the movies. So it feels like there's a good chance the film is going to be terrible. Doubly so if they actually use the comic story for the script.

The thing is, the Jane Thor comics were actually really good, as was the Unworthy Thor miniseries.

Having it be Jane of all people was a weird choice though.

How was Falcon Captain America a "Hamfisted choice" though? He deserved the title more than Bucky did.

They'll make a Squirrel Girl movie soon.

Metalsonic66 posted...

The thing is, the Jane Thor comics were actually really good, as was the Unworthy Thor miniseries.

We can agree to disagree, but you're literally the first person I've ever met who thinks that.



Metalsonic66 posted...

How was Falcon Captain America a "Hamfisted choice" though? He deserved the title more than Bucky did.

In the comics?

Cap and Falcon hadn't really been a close team since the 70s. And not only was Bucky always sort of portrayed as the one sidekick Cap was always really close to (to the point where it kind of colored his relationship with Nomad in the 80s), but after they brought Bucky back as the Winter Soldier he'd become strongly tied to Cap in a lot of stories. It seemed almost a given that Bucky would become the new Cap if Cap retired/died/etc (even to the point where he was literally Cap for a while after Civil War), and going "lol no, Falcon's his true successor" felt awkward as fuck and blatantly forced.

If anything, there were multiple other characters in the comics that felt like they had way more claim to the legacy of Captain America than Falcon ever did (and keeping in mind, Falcon already has a long and established identity of his own), so it comes across as feeling more like Marvel going "Okay, we need a diverse character to fill this slot", and then just grabbing Cap's only real black friend and quickly trying to establish him as the One True Successor than it ever felt like anything that grew organically out of the actual stories being told.

In the movies/shows? There's maybe more of an argument in favor of Falcon because Bucky's a bit crazy/has a criminal record and Falcon is one of Steve's few good friends in the present, but even that's a bit weak because Falcon was rarely presented as being that good a friend - if anything, he and Cap are almost presented like casual friends while the first two Captain America films paint Bucky as being even more of Cap's bestest friend ever than the comics ever did.

If anything, as presented in the films/shows Sharon might have had more claim to the role/shield (at least until they arbitrarily turned her into a villain for no good reason).

ParanoidObsessive posted...

We can agree to disagree, but you're literally the first person I've ever met who thinks that.

Even at the time it was happening, those comics were popular. Even those who disliked the idea enjoyed the execution.
ParanoidObsessive posted...

Cap and Falcon hadn't really been a close team since the 70s.

This is definitely not the case. They were pretty regularly appearing in each others books as well as being team members pretty often

Problem is most people who bashed these storylines didn't actually read them. Just reacted to the covers and tiny snipped panels that meshed with the notions they'd already cemented in their heads

Metalsonic66 posted...

Problem is most people who bashed these storylines didn't actually read them. Just reacted to the covers and tiny snipped panels that meshed with the notions they'd already cemented in their heads

https://imgur.com/rlSj34H

I remember when people threw a fit over Captain America secretly being a Hydra agent all along lmao

Revelation34 posted...

They'll make a Squirrel Girl movie soon.

They already planned on making a Squirrel Girl TV show. Milana Vayntrub ("The AT&T Girl") was cast as the main character. But it wound up getting dropped.



LeetCheet posted...

I remember when people threw a fit over Captain America secretly being a Hydra agent all along lmao

To be fair, that storyline was kind of stupid and was generally handled really poorly, and did kind of feel like just shitting on the character for the sake of shitting on the character. And to deliberately troll/clickbait people into paying attention to comic books again (not that that ever seems to work for Marvel when they do it).

That being said, yes, most actual comic fans didn't care, because we all knew it was just another cosmic retcon that would probably be undone in a few months anyway (which it was), because that kind of parallel universe history-altering shit happens every 20 minutes or so in the Marvel universe.



Metalsonic66 posted...

Even at the time it was happening, those comics were popular. Even those who disliked the idea enjoyed the execution.

We can agree to disagree, but you're literally the first person I've ever met who thinks that.



Metalsonic66 posted...

This is definitely not the case. They were pretty regularly appearing in each others books as well as being team members pretty often

This isn't really true.

Falcon's mostly a similar case to Pepper in Iron Man. Not really around for decades, but once the movies reintroduced her, the comics rushed to bring her back, no matter how stupid the justification for it was, or how little sense it made in the comic continuity.

Marvel's logic for years has been "The movies have millions of viewers, the comics only sell a hundred thousand copies or so, so fuck continuity or cohesive storytelling, we'll just copy ideas from the movies regardless of whether or not they work." Same reason why the comics put the X-Men into black leather outfits (that looked like shit) after the X-Men films, and why they gave Spider-Man organic web shooters (in the stupidest way possible) after the Spider-Man films.

Falcon was a major character in Captain America comics in the 70s. For most of the 80s, 90s, and 2000s, he was barely a supporting character who showed up once every few years or so (he arguably spent about as much time hanging around with Power Man/Iron Fist or other heroes as he did Cap). It wasn't until he was introduced in the Winter Soldier film that they started pushing him hard again in the 2010s.

Meanwhile, Ed Brubaker brought Bucky back in 2004, and he was a major character for years. And actually spent a few years as Captain America back in the late 00s. Same sort of deal with Sharon Carter - they'd killed her off in the late 70s, but she was brought back in the mid-90s and became a semi-regular supporting character. Both of them were more of a presence and impact on Cap's life for the last few decades than Falcon ever was. Hell, Nomad was more of a presence in Cap's life until Bucky killed him in his reintroduction (which makes sense, because Nomad's entire concept was that he was basically a tragic failed modern Bucky who became bitter and cynical).

(In the late 80s/early 90s, fucking D-Man was more likely to appear in any Cap comic than Falcon was.)

And that's not even getting into other characters Cap was close to who could potentially fill the role (and the argument that they shouldn't constantly be trying to fill the role anyway, because it never seems to work out all that well for anyone other than Steve Rogers).

Falcon got the role because he was Cap's main black friend at a time when they were trying to diversity major characters. With the added bonus that he had newfound visibility because of his appearance in the MCU. That's pretty much it. About the best I can say for the run is that it wasn't quite as out of left field as Jane getting the power of Thor, and it wasn't as poorly handled as Jane getting the power of Thor, but that's a very low bar.

Marvel's been kind of shit across the board since the 2011 soft reboot. And while the consistency of the shit has varied from time-to-time and from title-to-title, there really isn't much good coming out of the "House of Ideas" lately. Which is a shame, because they were having a clear renaissance in the 2000s after the dark age of the 1990s.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

It's kind of telling that the only "diversity characters" they've come up with over the last 20 years or so that actually kind of succeeded are the ones that didn't shit all over existing characters to justify their existence. Characters like Miles Morales

I'm still annoyed they killed Ultimate Parker to replace him with Miles. They could've had Miles be a new character, or at least a supporting one prior to to taking the name.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

They already planned on making a Squirrel Girl TV show. Milana Vayntrub ("The AT&T Girl") was cast as the main character. But it wound up getting dropped.

Gee, can't imagine why.

The movie's gotta be coming up pretty soon, the toys are already out

The_Viscount posted...

Gee, can't imagine why.

I don't know. Can you tell us why?

Wow they're making a Thor movie? Sounds exciting!

The_tall_midget posted...

Well, to be kind of honest, Thor in actual mythology was sometimes kind of an asshole.

yes but the marvel thor spoke more like a bad Shakespearean play than anything actually Nordic in the comics.

Huh, Lokis on one of the posters and they havent even started filming season 2 of his show yet D:

Christian Bale? Nice!
If he wanted to be in another superhero movie, why'd he give up the cape so easily?

Revelation34 posted...

I don't know. Can you tell us why?

The casting alone should tell you.

They're still making these movies?

For most people Infinity War was, well, the end. Just let the sleeping dog lie. Or at least let it nap for a bit before continuing.

THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

Claiming that he's a God and super macho and therefore should be a prime example of toxic masculinity or some shit?

Have they seen some of the super popular big dudes in the world? The Rock, Jason Momoa, Arnold Schwartzenegger. All into peace and love and all that meditation shit.

Yeah. It turns out actually masculine dudes are pretty chill.

Unbridled9 posted...

They're still making these movies?

For most people Infinity War was, well, the end. Just let the sleeping dog lie. Or at least let it nap for a bit before continuing.

Yeah that's why No Way Home made zero money lol

Blightzkrieg posted...

Yeah that's why No Way Home made zero money lol

It's Spiderman. The movie could be 'Spiderman: Filing Taxes' and it would still make a bunch.

Honestly after Endgame I was like "Maybe I'm done now", but the Spider-Man movies and the Disney+ stuff have all been really good and kept me interested.

Anyone see Dr Strange?
How was it (no spoilers), worth getting a babysitter for?

Unbridled9 posted...

They're still making these movies?

Are they still making money? The fact they're often still breaking a billion bucks each kinda answers that question.

Unbridled9 posted...

For most people Infinity War was, well, the end. Just let the sleeping dog lie. Or at least let it nap for a bit before continuing.

...pretty sure you mean Endgame, since IW was part 1.

If they let it nap, they'd more or less kill the franchises... although since they had massive casting changes, it might do less damage.

11110111011 posted...

Are they still making these movies? Why?

Because each one makes them roughly $1 billion each?

The_Viscount posted...

The casting alone should tell you.

So not at all.