Board 8 > Favorite (non-Edgeworth) prosecutor in Ace Attorney? (Spoilers)

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There are more prosecutors in Ace Attorney than I realized! Had to cut a few that I figured we wouldn't miss (like Gaspen Payne, as much as I enjoy his SoJ appearance), but I wanted to get in the major opponents. Cutting out Portsman kinda hurt a bit, but I don't think he's too many people's favorite!

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LeonhartFour posted...

Cutting out Portsman kinda hurt a bit, but I don't think he's too many people's favorite!

Could have cut Nahyuta instead imhotbqh.
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Team Rocket Elite posted...

Could have cut Nahyuta instead imhotbqh.

This is true, but he's too "important" to omit. Felt like I had to include him, even though I'd be stunned if he's actually anyone's favorite.

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Leonhart4 posted...

This is true, but he's too "important" to omit. Felt like I had to include him, even though I'd be stunned if he's actually anyone's favorite.

You appear to have spoke too soon (somehow)...!

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I didn't say he wouldn't get a vote because I know better than that...!

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Godot > Blackquill > Manfred > Payne > Sebastian > Klavier > Franziska > Ga'ran > Nahyuta

I don't remember LvW well enough to place Barnham confidently, but probably somewhere in the Payne to Klavier range.

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secretly i think winston and gaspen own

it's a shame their insult lines rarely come up, only being in the first cases

I would consider myself a pretty big Portsman fan compared to everyone else on the board, but even I wouldn't even consider voting for him here. Godot/Blackquill too good.

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Who voted Klavier

I want names, dammit.

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Godot's too good

I like Nahyuta more than most. This is largely due to his theme, but I also think he's capable and is more of a rival to Apollo than Klavier is/was. Honestly Klavier makes more sense as Athena's prosecutor rival than Blackquill does (even though Blackquill's great). At least with Klavier they could go all in on the seinen tropes if they wanted to.

I have Franzy second, but mostly due to her post JFA appearances. If I had to judge her only by JFA, she'd be near the bottom.

Godot > Franziska > Blackquill > Nahyuta > Manny > Barnham > the Paynes > Klavier > the rest

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I think Von Karma takes this pretty decisively, honestly. No prosecutor has managed to have had as big an effect as he did in such a short amount of time.

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colliding posted...

I like Nahyuta more than most. This is largely due to his theme

yeah nahyuta's music is chill affffff
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Franziska because of the Phoenix whipping scene.

*shifty eyes*

What?

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Nahyuta's theme is good, but a lot of the prosecutors have great themes. I don't think I'd even say his is the best.

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Still need to play AA6 but I'd say Franziska is the worst major prosecutor by a significant margin. I can't think of a single thing her character accomplishes in the series outside of making Edgeworth look better.

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KamikazePotato posted...

Still need to play AA6 but I'd say Franziska is the worst major prosecutor by a significant margin. I can't think of a single thing her character accomplishes in the series outside of making Edgeworth look better.

Get ready to let that opinion go and move on once you play AA6...!

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Uh oh

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A lot of these people have an issue where they're better characters than they are prosecutors. Nahyuta's the most extreme example, he's fine when you're just talking to him but in a courtroom setting he's the absolute worst.

But if I take the balance of being a good character plus actually working well as a prosecutor, I think it's Manfred?

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I feel like no villain in the series has managed to capture the sheer dread that facing Manfred invoked. 2-4 kinda does but it's not in the same way as 1-4, where a single overpowering entity is bearing down on you every second of the trial. Godot is an entertaining character but he's not very good at being an opponent.

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Simon Blackquill is my favorite character in the series, without needing to exclude Edgeworth

KamikazePotato posted...

I feel like no villain in the series has managed to capture the sheer dread that facing Manfred invoked. 2-4 kinda does but it's not in the same way as 1-4, where a single overpowering entity is bearing down on you every second of the trial. Godot is an entertaining character but he's not very good at being an opponent.

I think I clocked it once and found that on day 1, there are like 5 statements total you can press without getting a von Karma objection, and 3 of them are on Lotta's last testimony where von Karma is frustrated and ready to be done with her as a witness.

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Someone on this board (unfortunately I forget who) made a post years ago about how Godot is probably the only prosecutor in the series who lets Phoenix win 3-3 the way he does. You have to think even Payne musters some kind of objection there, but Godot just lets it slide.

Anyway I think about that post a lot in topics like this. Godot's an A+ character but they really didn't know what to do with him as a prosecutor.

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Yeah, that was transience. That post always comes to mind when I replay 3-3. I rationalize it by saying Godot is more about testing Phoenix to find out "what kind of man" he is, as he puts it, and so he's willing to let him run wild during court in a way no other prosecutor does. He doesn't necessarily care about "winning."


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Would be between Blackquill and van Zieks for me and the latter isn't even on the poll so

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Van Zieks is cool, too. Also has a great theme!

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Kenri posted...

Someone on this board (unfortunately I forget who) made a post years ago about how Godot is probably the only prosecutor in the series who lets Phoenix win 3-3 the way he does. You have to think even Payne musters some kind of objection there, but Godot just lets it slide.

Anyway I think about that post a lot in topics like this. Godot's an A+ character but they really didn't know what to do with him as a prosecutor.

I mean...that's kind of exactly why Godot is good. He's got a personal vendetta against Phoenix but as a former defense attorney he doesn't care very much about subverting justice to uphold his record or whatever, he knows when to let it slide. Then, when it becomes intensely personal in the last case, he's allowed to let loose more. He's maybe the only AA prosecutor that steps out of the "ruthless prosecutor" archetype that really clicks (excluding Edgeworth who settles into a devil's advocate role that also works extremely well).

Honestly I think a lot of the AA opponents are pretty inconsistent and they struggle with the archetypes. Franziska and Blackquill feel like imitations of Manfred and Edgeworth even when they're occasionally good, Klavier feels like a much worse Godot, none of the rest can really compete with the 3 greats imo.

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Blackquill is kind of a tribute to all the prosecutors before him. He embodies traits of all of them, and that's part of what makes him so great.

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nahyuta is MEAN this means he is a bad character

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Leonhart4 posted...

Blackquill is kind of a tribute to all the prosecutors before him. He embodies traits of all of them, and that's part of what makes him so great.

Yeah I realize I came off as dismissive of Blackquill when I really shouldn't be - he's great! Easily #4 on my list, but he is pretty derivative and a "Greatest Hits" version of prosecutors. I don't think that's a problem because he is well-executed and helped the series return to form. A lot of people are voting him as their favorite and I totally get it.

When I say he's inconsistent I mainly was thinking of how it felt like they kinda threw him away in AA6.

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Hbthebattle posted...

nahyuta is MEAN this means he is a bad character

Let it go and move on

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

When I say he's inconsistent I mainly was thinking of how it felt like they kinda threw him away in AA6.

Well, he wasn't going to have a role in the main storyline because it just wouldn't make sense, but I loved how they used him in 6-4. He was the highlight of that case. Plus, I feel like he'll still be around if the series moves forward with AA7, especially if Athena has an increased role.

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@Hbthebattle posted...

nahyuta is MEAN this means he is a bad character

You're in a topic full of people praising Manfred von Karma and you think people don't like Nahyuta because he's mean?
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In fact, the only person here I wouldn't call mean is Klavier, and he only has one vote.

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No I think people don't like Nahyuta because they interpret his character development as "secretly being a good guy the whole time" instead of "being an asshole because of how life went down the toilet and actually believing the resignation stuff he spouts, and Apollo managing to break through that fatalism"
but yes, also because he insults the protagonists in court a lot

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You think that was a joke, but half of all complaints about Nahyuta are linked about how they try to make a guy who was a asshole "good all along" and it just continually boggles the mind

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I don't like Nahyuta because he says the same three things over and over and over and it's the worst

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Yup, he has the worst dialogue of any prosecutor.
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every prosecutor in this poll does that except maybe edgeworth

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Voted Von Karma because of the impact it leaves on you
Paine was a pushover, then Edgeworth was a worthy rival, and you thought "no one can be stronger than he his" and then you face Von Karma and it's a totally different level

Godot was a far better character though...
It's a hard vote!

Never understood the love for Blackquill either but I don't hate him like I hate as Nahyuta or is forgettable like Gavin/Barnham so I guess he ties with Franziska for third place

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I'm more put off by Nahyuta's hypocrisy than his assholiness. "how dare you defend this person you're going to hell btw trying to pin the crime on an obviously innocent person is totally cool and awesome don't @ me"

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Hbthebattle posted...

every prosecutor in this poll does that except maybe edgeworth

No one does it to the same extent as Nahyuta (well, maybe Franziska), but also there is so much more Nahyuta than anyone else in this poll because SoJ is like 2x as long as any other game in the series. If 6-4 was prosecuted by, say, Klavier, I think Nahyuta would have a somewhat better reputation.

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yeah aa6 is just superlong which can make nahyuta grindy. on the other hand some of y'all need to LIGAMO
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Then00bAvenger posted...

I'm more put off by Nahyuta's hypocrisy than his assholiness. "how dare you defend this person you're going to hell btw trying to pin the crime on an obviously innocent person is totally cool and awesome don't @ me"

Yes, he is a hypocrite. Everything about Nahyuta in 6-5 should make it clear that's intentional. He preaches about not letting personal feelings influence decisions when that's what it turns about he was doing the whole time. Part of his character development is breaking out of this.

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Nahyuta is terrible in 6-5 too though. None of his development is interesting, and it doesn't feel earned at all.
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Yeah, Nahyuta is kinda the worst part of 6-5 in some ways.

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Every prosecutor doesnt get development (if they get any at all) until the final trial, and all only show a rude side until just before then. How is Nahyutas less earned?

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I think they kinda made a mistake having Apollo face Nahyuta in 6-2 before you find out they grew up together because they really do nothing with it as a result and it's such a lost opportunity.

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I think the intent there was to parallel how you dont find out about Phoenix and Edgeworth having a prior relationship until much later on. Hell, 6-2 hints at it far than 1-2 does.

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Nah, you get hints that Phoenix and Edgeworth know each other in 1-2 and 1-3. The thing that helps is that you get Phoenix vs. Edgeworth multiple times leading up to 1-4 (and you clearly see Phoenix starting to break through Edgeworth's shell at the end of 1-3), and then he's your client.

By contrast, Apollo and Nahyuta don't really have much meaningful interaction after the reveal because they don't face each other again directly, and you don't really get to "defend" Nahyuta aside from that fake confession, which was a load of crap anyway. It's just the issue of SoJ having too many protagonists.

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Nahyuta would be last place for let it go and move on alone even if he didnt otherwise suck. I dont know how they managed to find a more annoying catchphrase than Franziskas fool spam, but they did!

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Nahyuta would be last place for let it go and move on alone even if he didnt otherwise suck. I dont know how they managed to find a more annoying catchphrase than Franziskas fool spam, but they did!

A fool's fool is more foolish than a foolishly foolish fool

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