Poll of the Day > Yet another mass shooting... 8 people killed at FedEx warehouse in Indianapolis

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Far-Queue
04/16/21 5:05:44 AM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/16/us/indianapolis-shooting-fedex.html

Just awful.

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thedeerzord
04/16/21 5:23:36 AM
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Oh well you win some you lose some.

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Mead
04/16/21 5:23:40 AM
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23 million new guns sold in the US just in 2020. Its almost like that number should be regulated. Its just gonna keep getting worse and worse.

http://smallarmsanalytics.com/v1/pr/2021-01-05.pdf

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Kimbos_Egg
04/16/21 5:30:51 AM
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sounds like just a disgruntled nut this time though.

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Lokarin
04/16/21 6:02:41 AM
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Mead posted...
23 million new guns sold in the US just in 2020. Its almost like that number should be regulated. Its just gonna keep getting worse and worse.

http://smallarmsanalytics.com/v1/pr/2021-01-05.pdf

I keep forgetting the US is huge, cuz when I see "23 million new guns" I think... wow, that's like 10 guns per person! (obviously not the case)

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What_The_Chris
04/16/21 7:33:13 AM
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Mead posted...
23 million new guns sold in the US just in 2020. Its almost like that number should be regulated. Its just gonna keep getting worse and worse.

http://smallarmsanalytics.com/v1/pr/2021-01-05.pdf
regulate the crazies is a better idea but that's none of my business

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Far-Queue
04/16/21 7:42:16 AM
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What_The_Chris posted...
regulate the crazies is a better idea but that's none of my business
Yes. Agreed. Red flag laws would be great. Anyone suffering a mental health crisis should have their weapons confiscated and only returned once they have sought and recieved adequate care. Family and friends and acquaintances should be allowed to report anonymously. A national hotline should be established and funded and advertised until everyone knows it as well as they know 911.

Only part of the overall solution but it's good you're on board with finding a solution.

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Far-Queue
04/16/21 7:44:23 AM
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Another part of "regulate the crazies" would be free universal healthcare with robust services for mental health.

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What_The_Chris
04/16/21 8:05:12 AM
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Far-Queue posted...
Another part of "regulate the crazies" would be free universal healthcare with robust services for mental health.
that's communism and no communism allowed in the you ass of hey

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FatalAccident
04/16/21 8:12:55 AM
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America definitely doesnt have a gun problem

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04/16/21 8:42:31 AM
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What_The_Chris posted...
regulate the crazies is a better idea but that's none of my business

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EvilMegas
04/16/21 9:11:26 AM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
sounds like just a disgruntled nut this time though.
So the other ones weren't?

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EDF-5
04/16/21 9:14:07 AM
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This is the only country where something like this normally happens.
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jonathonbrad
04/16/21 9:25:44 AM
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While there was shootings after trump took office (some of the worst) they did slow down near 2nd half of his term. Biden is president and we've had 4 in a month. Banning weapons will not keep you safe they are already out there. It's an issue with people becoming desensitized. There's no morals or God anymore. I'm not a religious person but some people need that.

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keyblader1985
04/16/21 10:02:40 AM
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Mead posted...
23 million new guns sold in the US just in 2020. Its almost like that number should be regulated.

What_The_Chris posted...
regulate the crazies is a better idea but that's none of my business

Far-Queue posted...
Another part of "regulate the crazies" would be free universal healthcare with robust services for mental health.
How bout all of the above

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Ferarri619
04/16/21 10:12:10 AM
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So I guess "going postal" is gonna become a big thing again? Seems like this type of thing died down decades ago.

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EvilMegas
04/16/21 10:12:59 AM
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Ferarri619 posted...
So I guess "going postal" is gonna become a big thing again? Seems like this type of thing died down decades ago.
Where have you been, dude?

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Mead
04/16/21 10:15:56 AM
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What_The_Chris posted...
regulate the crazies is a better idea but that's none of my business

by regulate I hope you mean help

but yes we need to do that as well

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Far-Queue
04/16/21 10:20:04 AM
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Every year is different regardless of who is president. Some years are worse than others.

It's no more fair to blame Trump for the Vegas shooting or the Parkland shooting than it is to blame Obama for the Pulse shooting or Biden for the recent spate of shootings.

The problem isn't who is president. The problem isn't a lack of morals or god. The problem is too many guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them, and a lack of proper healthcare coupled with this bullshit outdated "boys don't cry/men can't show vulnerability" attitude in the States which leads to men not seeking help when they need it.

We have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms. But that doesn't mean there can't be checks and balances to that right. Enacting a national registry and requiring insurance per firearm is a good start. Background checks. Red flag laws. Proper education when issuing licenses to own and carry firearms, including extensive exposure to real impacts of gun violence and trauma. Show these people the devestation caused by firearms and not just the sexy John Wayne machismo aspect of owning guns. Teach that empathy before they can even purchase a gun. Limits on how and where guns can be sold/exchanged. Limits on how much ammunition can be kept. Limits on how many and what kind of firearms can be obtained.

To be clear, I'm not advocating for any of those solutions listed above. I don't know what it's going to take to get to the root of the issue but I do know it's going to take a combination of things, and those changes could take years to take shape and see some real results come of them.

I'm an Army veteran. I've fired all sorts of cool shit. Believe in the 2nd amendment. But there's gotta be some common sense here. I don't know the solution. I'm admittedly not that smart. I could never run for office, I'd be laughed off the ballot.

But it's not criminals with illegal guns perpetrating many of these mass shootings. A lot of them are perpetrated by legal gun owners, or with firearms which were obtained legally at some point prior to the shooting.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476461/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-legality-of-shooters-weapons/

I don't want to see guns banned wholesale. But there needs to be limits. There needs to be checks and balances. There needs to be a change in how we view men and masculinity and mental health in this country.

Will we ever be able to prevent *all* mass shootings? Probably not. But we can't keep punting on the issue because "criminals don't follow the law" or "we can't solve the issue 100%" - that's bullshit.

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pionear
04/16/21 10:20:43 AM
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Ferarri619 posted...
So I guess "going postal" is gonna become a big thing again? Seems like this type of thing died down decades ago.

Going 'FedEx' doesn't has the same ring to it, huh...

But yea, goodness gracious, this is really getting out of hand...4 Mass (8 if you count some of the Mass shootings where 'only' 1-2 died) and Cops still killing Blacks is one way to start the new year after all the **** the World went thru with the pandemic
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HornedLion
04/16/21 10:55:09 AM
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This is sick.

Mass shootings happen everywhere in the world but we seem to be a lot more prone to them.


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Jen0125
04/16/21 10:55:40 AM
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HornedLion posted...
Mass shootings happen everywhere in the world but we seem to be a lot more prone to them.

No they don't lol

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HornedLion
04/16/21 11:07:25 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
No they don't lol

Remember that horrible one in New Zealand at the church. White dude with white supremecist shit written on the AR he was using. Killed a lot of Indian people. Think he was a Trump fan.

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Goldenguy
04/16/21 11:13:24 AM
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jonathonbrad posted...
While there was shootings after trump took office (some of the worst) they did slow down near 2nd half of his term. Biden is president and we've had 4 in a month. Banning weapons will not keep you safe they are already out there. It's an issue with people becoming desensitized. There's no morals or God anymore. I'm not a religious person but some people need that.

Morals =\= gods or religions.

Biden didn't cause this and I'd be curious to see your source on mass shootings slowing down under Trump in the second half. It did kind of help that he had covid in 2020.

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Jen0125
04/16/21 11:22:23 AM
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I am willing to bet there would have been a lot of mass shootings last year if it wasn't for COVID. Our country was extremely politically inflamed.

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Jen0125
04/16/21 12:00:53 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/masskillers/comments/mrvmyk/_/guou4rh

"At least 4-5 reported dead and 8 reported injured thus far.

https://twitter.com/StollNews/status/1382908475865509890
https://twitter.com/StollNews/status/1382907293826695175

An eyewitness has claimed there are two shooters, but please note that this sort of claim pops up every time there is an incident like this, so take it with a grain of salt for now.

https://twitter.com/StollNews/status/1382911251056037889

EDIT: A rifle and submachine gun are reported to be the weapons used.

https://twitter.com/StollNews/status/1382917683306450953

EDIT: The situation has been declared a "mass-casualty incident", which means we can expect to see considerable numbers of injured and presumably dead.

https://twitter.com/factal/status/1382920314083028994

EDIT: The shooter is reported to be dead from suicide. Victims have been reportedly found inside and outside the facility.

https://twitter.com/UrgentAlertNews/status/1382922612653821952

EDIT: Local reports say roughly 100 people would have been working in the facility at the time of the shooting.

https://twitter.com/IntelDoge/status/1382916535958790144

EDIT: Police have confirmed the shooter took his own life. Multiple fatalities also confirmed, but no number given as of yet.

https://twitter.com/PMBreakingNews/status/1382927290439450624
https://twitter.com/StollNews/status/1382927534615068674

EDIT: A journalist is reporting as many as 60 people injured, including 20 with gunshot wounds, and at least 5 dead including the gunman. 10 have critical injuries and 20 have serious injuries, while the other 30 are "walking wounded". He cites an unnamed law enforcement source.

https://twitter.com/MatthewKeysLive/status/1382935717320347650
https://twitter.com/MatthewKeysLive/status/1382936368486109185

EDIT: Apparently people working at the facility didn't have access to their phones due to a FedEx policy, which means people inside the building might've been unable to call 911 when the gunfire started.

https://twitter.com/MatthewKeysLive/status/1382943782614618113

EDIT: Livestream of local news footage:
https://www.wthr.com/watch?vid=e9c7fa49-b0e5-4687-a851-f03f1d48b019

EDIT: We have nine people dead, including the gunman. Numbers of injuries are still unclear.
https://twitter.com/factal/status/1382953116627271682"

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Far-Queue
04/16/21 12:15:03 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
EDIT: A journalist is reporting as many as 60 people injured, including 20 with gunshot wounds, and at least 5 dead including the gunman. 10 have critical injuries and 20 have serious injuries, while the other 30 are "walking wounded". He cites an unnamed law enforcement source.

Awful. Hope we don't see more added to the death toll.


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Jen0125
04/16/21 12:24:15 PM
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Yeah, this one has an extreme casualty rate.

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Mead
04/16/21 12:25:55 PM
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I cant stand the people who are like no that wont work or actually ______ is the problem

like this is a huge fucking problem it is gonna take a long time to fix and there are a lot of stuff we need to do to take care of it

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DrPrimemaster
04/16/21 12:28:45 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
I am willing to bet there would have been a lot of mass shootings last year if it wasn't for COVID. Our country was extremely politically inflamed.

I agree and I think a lot of these recent ones are the result of the quarantine fizzling out and people taking out their frustrations and misery on the world.

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Jen0125
04/16/21 12:31:15 PM
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DrPrimemaster posted...
I agree and I think a lot of these recent ones are the result of the quarantine fizzling out and people taking out their frustrations and misery on the world.

That is also my opinion.

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Joe_Biden
04/16/21 1:02:27 PM
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like, fuck fedex and all, but not the people working for them, they're just trying to survive


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Ferarri619
04/16/21 1:07:05 PM
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Joe_Biden posted...
like, fuck fedex and all, but not the people working for them, they're just trying to survive

Could have been a disgruntled employee. That's where the term "going postal" originated from, an employee who shot up USPS in the 80s or something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_post_office_shooting

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Zikten
04/16/21 1:13:31 PM
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I know someone that works at a fed ex center so this hits close to home for me

CNN just said the cops were warned in the past about this shooter. That he might do something like this, and nothing was done about it
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HornedLion
04/16/21 1:22:11 PM
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DrPrimemaster posted...
I agree and I think a lot of these recent ones are the result of the quarantine fizzling out and people taking out their frustrations and misery on the world.

That snow fight neighbors shooting near Scranton, PA, definitely was.

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Far-Queue
04/16/21 1:29:52 PM
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Mead posted...
I cant stand the people who are like no that wont work or actually ______ is the problem

like this is a huge fucking problem it is gonna take a long time to fix and there are a lot of stuff we need to do to take care of it

Exactly. There's no quick fix. There's no single band-aid that'll heal this gaping, festering wound. It's gonna take a lot of work and a multiple-pronged approach to legislation to even begin to set on the path to some semblance of safety and sanity.

Also, if someone is going to shoot down suggestions for solving this issue without offering suggestions of their own, or with claiming it's an issue that can't or need not be solved, they're an asshole and a moron.


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HelIWithoutSin
04/16/21 3:33:33 PM
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pionear posted...
Going 'FedEx' doesn't has the same ring to it, huh...

But yea, goodness gracious, this is really getting out of hand...4 Mass (8 if you count some of the Mass shootings where 'only' 1-2 died) and Cops still killing Blacks is one way to start the new year after all the **** the World went thru with the pandemic

There was almost another one earlier in the day yesterday at the San Antonio airport, a guy started firing indiscriminately outside a terminal but didn't hit anyone before he was killed.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/15/us/san-antonio-texas-airport-lockdown-shooting/index.html

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Arcturusisnow
04/16/21 3:44:57 PM
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Far-Queue posted...
Every year is different regardless of who is president. Some years are worse than others.

It's no more fair to blame Trump for the Vegas shooting or the Parkland shooting than it is to blame Obama for the Pulse shooting or Biden for the recent spate of shootings.

The problem isn't who is president. The problem isn't a lack of morals or god. The problem is too many guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them, and a lack of proper healthcare coupled with this bullshit outdated "boys don't cry/men can't show vulnerability" attitude in the States which leads to men not seeking help when they need it.

We have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms. But that doesn't mean there can't be checks and balances to that right. Enacting a national registry and requiring insurance per firearm is a good start. Background checks. Red flag laws. Proper education when issuing licenses to own and carry firearms, including extensive exposure to real impacts of gun violence and trauma. Show these people the devestation caused by firearms and not just the sexy John Wayne machismo aspect of owning guns. Teach that empathy before they can even purchase a gun. Limits on how and where guns can be sold/exchanged. Limits on how much ammunition can be kept. Limits on how many and what kind of firearms can be obtained.

To be clear, I'm not advocating for any of those solutions listed above. I don't know what it's going to take to get to the root of the issue but I do know it's going to take a combination of things, and those changes could take years to take shape and see some real results come of them.

I'm an Army veteran. I've fired all sorts of cool shit. Believe in the 2nd amendment. But there's gotta be some common sense here. I don't know the solution. I'm admittedly not that smart. I could never run for office, I'd be laughed off the ballot.

But it's not criminals with illegal guns perpetrating many of these mass shootings. A lot of them are perpetrated by legal gun owners, or with firearms which were obtained legally at some point prior to the shooting.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476461/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-legality-of-shooters-weapons/

I don't want to see guns banned wholesale. But there needs to be limits. There needs to be checks and balances. There needs to be a change in how we view men and masculinity and mental health in this country.

Will we ever be able to prevent *all* mass shootings? Probably not. But we can't keep punting on the issue because "criminals don't follow the law" or "we can't solve the issue 100%" - that's bullshit.
Except the 2nd amendment is no longer needed. Literally, who the fuck is coming at you that you are so worried that you need a gun? You fuckers are so paranoid that someone is going to kill you that you are killing everyone else first.
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Blightzkrieg
04/16/21 3:53:15 PM
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We need the second amendment so cops have an excuse to murder people

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ReturnOfFa
04/16/21 3:54:50 PM
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HornedLion posted...
That snow fight neighbors shooting near Scranton, PA, definitely was.
If that's how you take out your frustration, you have severe mental problems.

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Mead
04/16/21 4:41:30 PM
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Arcturusisnow posted...
Except the 2nd amendment is no longer needed. Literally, who the fuck is coming at you that you are so worried that you need a gun? You fuckers are so paranoid that someone is going to kill you that you are killing everyone else first.

I think it is reasonable for people to have a gun for home defense at the very least

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Jen0125
04/16/21 4:45:09 PM
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Arcturusisnow posted...
Except the 2nd amendment is no longer needed. Literally, who the fuck is coming at you that you are so worried that you need a gun? You fuckers are so paranoid that someone is going to kill you that you are killing everyone else first.

Uh Idk. I'm worried about be murdered every time I leave my house here in the US. Either by men who don't like I don't accept their advances or some crazy mass shooter.

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Far-Queue
04/16/21 4:58:52 PM
#43:


Arcturusisnow posted...
Except the 2nd amendment is no longer needed. Literally, who the fuck is coming at you that you are so worried that you need a gun?

Our own government.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867532070/trumps-unannounced-church-visit-angers-church-officials

https://spreadsheets.latimes.com/la-riots-deaths/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_deaths_in_United_States_labor_disputes#Law_enforcement_and_companies.27_militia.2C_armed_detectives_and_guards

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

See also: cops shooting unarmed civilians left and fucking right

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Jen0125
04/16/21 4:59:30 PM
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If anyone thinks they can take on the military even with AR15s they're completely fucking delusional.

Our military budget is $700bn+ per year. We can't defend ourselves against the military.

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HornedLion
04/16/21 5:21:55 PM
#45:


Jen0125 posted...
If anyone thinks they can take on the military even with AR15s they're completely fucking delusional.

Our military budget is $700bn+ per year. We can't defend ourselves against the military.

Nah, Jen, thats not true. All these guys need is just a gun and thats it. No knowledge of terrain, resources, tactics, funds, propaganda, etc. All they need is their guns and their patriotism.

The well organized militias are the reason I sleep well at night.


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Zareth
04/16/21 5:48:56 PM
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Yeah I can rest easy knowing that if the military ever stages a coup the guy on my block with the "we don't call 911" sign can protect me

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JigsawTDC
04/16/21 5:51:26 PM
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If we take 2nd Amendment to the logical extreme, the idea that it's there to protect the citizens against a government turned tyrantical, then every day citizens should have access to the same tools of destruction the government has, up to and including nuclear weapons. Because in any other case, such as our current reality, the government would just roflstomp us. The 2nd Amendment as potential protection from the government is an illusion that the government wants you to buy into, because they know in reality it has no power against them and it keeps most people distracted arguing about bump stock and clip size.

I said it in another topic though: the correlation between amount of guns in the U.S. compared to other nations vs. gun violence in the two is both unsurprising and staggering. But realistically, in a country as saturated with guns as the U.S., you would actively need to start taking guns away from people which isn't going to come without massive, violent civil unrest. And symbolically, surrendering all that power to an obviously corrupt government doesn't sit well to me. In general though, I do support lessening the amount of weapons in the world and I'm in favor of any willing disarmament on any level. I'm also in favor of gun safety education and training being taught in schools, starting as early as possible.

U.S. has a cultural sickness of glorifying violence, fetishizing guns, and discouraging mental healthcare for men. There's also a clear correlation between particular medications (many antidepressants and antipsychotics) and perpetrators of mass violence. Not to say that these medications cause that, because they seem to do fine for people in other countries, but it points to particular type of neurosis that is being developed and fostered in young, fragile, and unstable men. Robust and accessible mental health care is a necessity if this country ever wants to get better in a multitude of ways.
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Blightzkrieg
04/16/21 5:57:57 PM
#48:


An armed populace standing up to the government sounds a lot like Mexico to me tbh

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HornedLion
04/16/21 6:27:58 PM
#49:


Zareth posted...
Yeah I can rest easy knowing that if the military ever stages a coup the guy on my block with the "we don't call 911" sign can protect me

That dude in the F150 that doesnt work as a moving guy on the weekends or construction or landscaping or anything else that would require owning an F150, will definitely save you and your fam if shit hits the fan.

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Hospy
04/16/21 7:01:09 PM
#50:


Jen0125 posted...
If anyone thinks they can take on the military even with AR15s they're completely fucking delusional.

Our military budget is $700bn+ per year. We can't defend ourselves against the military.

The Vietnamese, Afghanis, and Iraqis have done a pretty good job of defending themselves from the US and its inflated defense budget.
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