Poll of the Day > Has Nintendo ever made a real fighting game?

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Not counting arms because weird controls

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smash.....?

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FatalAccident posted...

smash.....?

Real fighting game smash is a party game like mario Kart or mario party

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Super Smash Bros. is a series of crossover fighting video games published by Nintendo, and primarily features characters from various Nintendo franchises. The series was created by Masahiro Sakurai, who has directed every game in the series. Wikipedia

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Super Smash Bros

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Melee.

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Super Mario Aces is a fighting game

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Smash

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Smash isn't a fighting game, Melee is a fighting game, which is why Nintendo hates it so much.

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FatalAccident posted...

Super Smash Bros. is a series of crossover fighting video games published by Nintendo, and primarily features characters from various Nintendo franchises. The series was created by Masahiro Sakurai, who has directed every game in the series. Wikipedia

Ok? People called Zelda an rpg

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Zareth posted...

Smash isn't a fighting game, Melee is a fighting game, which is why Nintendo hates it so much.

reading this... this is painfully true...

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I remember Street Fighter and Mortal Combat on the SNES.

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back in my day we didnt have fighting games yet so wed have to do our own hadokens just out in the yard

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fishy071 posted...

I remember Street Fighter and Mortal Combat on the SNES.

Reading is fundamental, kids

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All the smash games

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Sakurai himself calls smash a "fun party game" and admits he doesn't really like the tournament players.

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Zack_Masters posted...

Sakurai himself calls smash a "fun party game" and admits he doesn't really like the tournament players.

And Starcraft BW wasn't designed to be one of the most competitive 1v1 games around, what's your point?

Discounting Smash? There was Arms.

Zack_Masters posted...

Sakurai himself calls smash a "fun party game" and admits he doesn't really like the tournament players.

... Doesn't pretty much any game count as a party game if you play it at a party? I've always thought that "party" is kind of a bizarre genre since it seems pretty loosely defined even by gaming genre standards, though most definitions I've seen of it would not include Smash or other fighting games.

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Gaawa_chan posted...

... Doesn't pretty much any game count as a party game if you play it at a party? I've always thought that "party" is kind of a bizarre genre since it seems pretty loosely defined even by gaming genre standards, though most definitions I've seen of it would not include Smash or other fighting games.

I kind of agree. Plus, some people call specific games party games because they always play it at their parties and stuff...
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PSA: Just because a game has "fighting" in it, doesn't make it a fighting game in the same sense of Street Fighter, King of Fighters, Tekken, Mortal Kombat, etc.

You aren't constantly locked onto your opponent, there are no high-low attacks, no traditional lifebars, the goal isn't to knock your opponent off the screen(although a couple games have ring-outs)....

There is no discernible reason to group it together with the like of the aforementioned games because it hardly shared anything in common with them that isn't shared among all action games to some degree.

If you were to work in a video game store and someone asks you "Hey, I really like games like Tekken and Virtua Fighter"(or "Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat"), you aren't going to say, "Well, based on that you should give Smash a try".

The opposite is true as well.

I can't believe this weak argument isn't dead in the water already.

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Gaawa_chan posted...

Discounting Smash? There was Arms.

... Doesn't pretty much any game count as a party game if you play it at a party? I've always thought that "party" is kind of a bizarre genre since it seems pretty loosely defined even by gaming genre standards, though most definitions I've seen of it would not include Smash or other fighting games.

"Party game" is sort of a derogative term that actual fighting game players have used specifically to label Smash as such.

It really has no meaning. "Arena Fighter" might be more appropriate, but it doesn't really have anything in common with the other games that's more often used for either.

The only games that Smash really shares anything with are the cheap knockoffs that are intentionally done in the same style to cash off of it's hype, such as PSABR and that Onimusha game.

If there's one thing you can give Smash credit for, it's that there really is no other game like it that isn't designed with the specific purpose of imitation.

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While Smash doesn't have high attacks (well, some characters kind of do), it does have low attacks. And you can make it have almost a traditional life bar. It's not a bar, but has a life percent you get down to zero. It's like see you HP number instead of an bar where you don't know the exact amount...
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Krow_Incarnate posted...

You aren't constantly locked onto your opponent, there are no high-low attacks, no traditional lifebars, the goal isn't to knock your opponent off the screen(although a couple games have ring-outs)....

Dynasty warriors has none of those, but you probably spend more time fighting than any of those types of games (which are arcade fighting games)
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Dynasty warriors has none of those, but you probably spend more time fighting than any of those types of games (which are arcade fighting games)

Way to misinterpret the entire post there.

Quit getting so hung up on the name of the genre.

In what world was that supposed to make any sort of point about the debate at hand, anyways?

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LinkPizza posted...

While Smash doesn't have high attacks (well, some characters kind of do), it does have low attacks. And you can make it have almost a traditional life bar. It's not a bar, but has a life percent you get down to zero. It's like see you HP number instead of an bar where you don't know the exact amount...

Your characters can attack low and sweep enemies, but it doesn't function in the way that every one of the other games does.

Blocking has no distinction between high and low attacks in Smash, whereas that's a universal mechanic in every fighting game since the dawn of time.

I understand what you're saying about the numbers, but that's a moot point outside of stamina mode, which isn't the main gameplay of Smash.

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Rules are arbitrary. It's not like there are defined criteria for each genre.

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fishy071 posted...

I remember Street Fighter and Mortal Combat on the SNES.

( if you gonna use multi platform you can also say ballz(3d) clayfigher and rise of the robots. also on the mega drive(genesis) so they don't count

Killer instinct

now sega has a lot just for it's own consoles

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they made at least one fighting game that no one bother to remember: urban champion, it so simplistic in everything at point that even punch-out can be a better fighting game to play on Nes.

Pokken

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

Pokken

that was made by namco, not by nintendo

SpeedDemon20 posted...

Rules are arbitrary. It's not like there are defined criteria for each genre.

Sure. That said,

"There is no discernible reason to group it together with the like of the aforementioned games because it hardly shared anything in common with them that isn't shared among all action games to some degree.

If you were to work in a video game store and someone asks you "Hey, I really like games like Tekken and Virtua Fighter"(or "Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat"), you aren't going to say, "Well, based on that you should give Smash a try".

That part is important. Primarily the latter half of it.

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If you don't want to count the Smash games, then, well, all I can really say is Ballz.

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Smash bros especially Melee is not a real fighting game. IDK how became competitive. Plus nintendo is not that talented....like SEGA and virtua fighter!!!! SHOTS FIRED!

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primal rage was good ( also on the genesis)

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I guess nobody remembers MadWorld. Developed by PlatinumGames and published by Sega but only ever available on the Wii. It was an ultra-violent hack-and-slash fighting game.



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Punch-out? Urban Champion?

...Teleroboxer on the Virtual Boy, that's it

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Krow_Incarnate posted...

If you were to work in a video game store and someone asks you "Hey, I really like games like Tekken and Virtua Fighter"(or "Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat"), you aren't going to say, "Well, based on that you should give Smash a try".

Because genre's are large and wide. All the games you mentioned are Fighting games, some might just be in different sub-genres. The similarities are enough to put them all in the same genre.

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Power Stone is a fighting game :B

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Pokken Fighter

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Smash, Arms (unusual controls or not, it's absolutely a "real fighting game"), and Pokken Tournament (Bamco developed that one, so it's not actually first-party, but I'd count it).

Krow_Incarnate posted...

There is no discernible reason to group it together with the like of the aforementioned games because it hardly shared anything in common with them that isn't shared among all action games to some degree.

The only meaningful distinction between fighting games and action games is a focus on PvP. Everything else you listed is just a consequence of most of the genre's devs having no imagination beyond "let's clone Street Fighter because people liked that one" and fans eating it up because they also lack such imagination.

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adjl posted...

The only meaningful distinction between fighting games and action games is a focus on PvP. Everything else you listed is just a consequence of most of the genre's devs having no imagination beyond "let's clone Street Fighter because people liked that one" and fans eating it up because they also lack such imagination.

Does that mean call of duty and league of legends can be considered fighting games?

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

Does that mean call of duty and league of legends can be considered fighting games?

LoL, no, because the combat system generally aligns more with what one expects from an RTS than an action game (although there's a case to be made that it's a subset of ARPG). CoD, maybe, but the PvP in question is generally presumed to be 1v1 (or at the very least, on a smaller scale), which CoD generally is not.

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Punch-Out!!
Uh...Teleroboxer?

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they helped develop war gods for the 64 if that counts as anything

Killer Instinct, but only Published by Them...

Now on the XBone Systems...

Smash Bros isn't a "real" fighting game, it's closer to Power Stone than Street Fighter.

Power Stone is great

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Super Smash Bros.

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Zangief for smash

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