Current Events > Defund the Police is a perfectly valid slogan.

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refmon
12/02/20 5:13:18 PM
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https://imgur.com/a/AL5EAnu

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Smashingpmkns
12/02/20 5:15:49 PM
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BLM during the Obama admin also came with a lot of criticism similar to the Defund the Police criticism rn.
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Squall28
12/02/20 5:18:03 PM
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Walmart looters think they're the same as civil rights activists. Cute.

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XboxLegendary
12/02/20 5:20:44 PM
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*reads topic title*

No.
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fuming
12/02/20 5:22:09 PM
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It's a very good slogan that almost all the arguments against it are bad faith and done by people telling you it's misleading in the media or who are politicians who have done nothing to help explain it or support it for one reason: they don't agree with defundind the police. But they don't want to say that so they argue that it is a bad slogan.

They also criticized Bernie for his own simple, easy to understand slogans and proposals, and the reason was the same: they didn't agree with him. Nothing else to it.
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Ludwig Von 2
12/02/20 5:22:46 PM
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Obama said nope!

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metralo
12/02/20 5:23:44 PM
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Ludwig Von 2 posted...
Obama said nope!

"one black guy said something so they as a monolith all think this"

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EngineerGamer
12/02/20 5:23:53 PM
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it's an awful slogan if the average person needs an in-depth explanation to understand what it really means

most people living their lives not deeply tuned into woke politics think the slogan says to get rid of police entirely, whether the people who made the slogan like it or not

the left continues to shoot itself in the face whenever it comes to branding or messaging

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BeantownHero
12/02/20 5:24:33 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
BLM during the Obama admin also came with a lot of criticism similar to the Defund the Police criticism rn.

Yep. People went out of their way not to understand it

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LeadPipeCinche
12/02/20 5:26:04 PM
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They think it til they need them
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fuming
12/02/20 5:29:23 PM
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EngineerGamer posted...
it's an awful slogan if the average person needs an in-depth explanation to understand what it really means

most people living their lives not deeply tuned into woke politics think the slogan says to get rid of police entirely, whether the people who made the slogan like it or not

the left continues to shoot itself in the face whenever it comes to branding or messaging

Who cares what people who don't pay attention to politics think? We aren't voting on defund the police. We are organizing people who actually fucking pay attention and are active to try to achieve that goal. If you just wanna win the culture war, sure, but only vapid facebook users care about that compared to material gains. Those people's approval literally does not matter one bit and could be easily swayed against any cause by the media or facebook, pointless to try to win them.
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waterjoe
12/02/20 5:29:43 PM
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If Obama is saying why this is it wrong? Its a STUPID narrative.
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Smashingpmkns
12/02/20 5:32:10 PM
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EngineerGamer posted...
it's an awful slogan if the average person needs an in-depth explanation to understand what it really means

People tend to not need an in-depth analysis of what "defund schools" means. And we do that a whole lot.
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ButteryMales
12/02/20 5:32:21 PM
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If the slogan was "Cut the police" they'll say BLM wants to stab police officers. Any lie to tell so police can keep killing black people.
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Heavy_D_Forever
12/02/20 5:36:24 PM
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Seattle defended their police force by a large percentage. They thought social workers would be able to handle responding to calls. Then last week a social worker got stabbed to death by a homeless person, and shooting have skyrocketed.

They gave it a try, and it proves that when you cut police crime goes up. What did they expect though? When you remove the people who stop crime from your streets then obviously criminals are going to love it and go wild.

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Balrog0
12/02/20 5:37:50 PM
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I think it's a bad slogan because the funding isn't the issue and most people saying it don't really want to get rid of cops anyway

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EngineerGamer
12/02/20 5:39:11 PM
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fuming posted...
If you just wanna win the culture war, sure, but only vapid facebook users care about that compared to material gains
do you seriously think the two don't go hand-in-hand

we just had 70 million people vote for trump after 4 years of seeing how stupid he gets
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ButteryMales
12/02/20 5:42:03 PM
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EngineerGamer posted...
do you seriously think the two don't go hand-in-hand

we just had 70 million people vote for trump after 4 years of seeing how stupid he gets
MAGA is not a better slogan. It makes many ask when the fuck was America great?

Also not to mention they kept it for 2020 which made people think you had 4 years and accomplished nothing.
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Solution_45
12/02/20 5:43:15 PM
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Heavy_D_Forever posted...
Seattle defended their police force by a large percentage. They thought social workers would be able to handle responding to calls. Then last week a social worker got stabbed to death by a homeless person, and shooting have skyrocketed.

They gave it a try, and it proves that when you cut police crime goes up. What did they expect though? When you remove the people who stop crime from your streets then obviously criminals are going to love it and go wild.

Seattle is a cesspool that will never learn
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Solid Snake07
12/02/20 5:43:46 PM
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Obama and James Clyburn disagree

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DDirtyDastard
12/02/20 5:44:51 PM
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I have a really hot take on this topic, but I get suspended any time I say anything even slightly edgy.
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ButteryMales
12/02/20 5:48:51 PM
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Heavy_D_Forever posted...
Seattle defended their police force by a large percentage. They thought social workers would be able to handle responding to calls. Then last week a social worker got stabbed to death by a homeless person, and shooting have skyrocketed.

They gave it a try, and it proves that when you cut police crime goes up. What did they expect though? When you remove the people who stop crime from your streets then obviously criminals are going to love it and go wild.
So I googled and Seattle won't have a budget change until 2021.
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Shablagoo
12/02/20 5:55:58 PM
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Heavy_D_Forever posted...
Seattle defended their police force by a large percentage. They thought social workers would be able to handle responding to calls. Then last week a social worker got stabbed to death by a homeless person, and shooting have skyrocketed.

They gave it a try, and it proves that when you cut police crime goes up. What did they expect though? When you remove the people who stop crime from your streets then obviously criminals are going to love it and go wild.

Is lying fun for you or something?

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ColdOne666
12/02/20 6:11:31 PM
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Squall28 posted...
Walmart looters think they're the same as civil rights activists. Cute.

lol

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Delirious_Beard
12/02/20 6:34:52 PM
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nah it's p awful

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Blue_Dream87
12/02/20 6:41:09 PM
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It's meant to spark a difficult conversation

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billcom6
12/02/20 6:58:05 PM
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Funding the police is the only way to stay safe.

That is why the safest areas have tons of police and the most dangerous never have any police.

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IShall_Run_Amok
12/02/20 7:02:17 PM
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Yes. But as a policy, it doesn't go hard enough on the police.

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Drug_Smoker
12/02/20 7:03:10 PM
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defund ur mom LOL

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COVxy
12/02/20 7:03:27 PM
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Don't think we needed a second topic on this.

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Heavy_D_Forever
12/02/20 7:13:36 PM
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ButteryMales posted...
So I googled and Seattle won't have a budget change until 2021.
https://bit.ly/2VrDbsj

They already voted to cut funding by over 50% I believe. The Police Commissioner who's an African American Woman was forced to resign because they were cutting her pay by an extreme amount. Now a record number of cops have quit the SPD because of all this bullshit and they aren't hiring any new cops to replace them. The only people who think this is a good idea are the criminals who can now get away with any crime in Seattle.

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Antifar
12/02/20 7:17:15 PM
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Heavy_D_Forever posted...
They already voted to cut funding by over 50% I believe.
You're off by 33 percent
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/seattle-city-council-cuts-police-department-budget-nearly-17-percent/ar-BB1bkqZ5

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marc55
12/02/20 7:21:09 PM
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seems to be intentionally misleading to me

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ButteryMales
12/02/20 9:47:42 PM
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Heavy_D_Forever posted...
They already voted to cut funding by over 50% I believe. The Police Commissioner who's an African American Woman was forced to resign because they were cutting her pay by an extreme amount. Now a record number of cops have quit the SPD because of all this bullshit and they aren't hiring any new cops to replace them. The only people who think this is a good idea are the criminals who can now get away with any crime in Seattle.
Voted to =\= in effect

The city needs time to implement replacement crime reduction programs but these fucking pigs are pulling an Eric Cartman "Respect my authoritah or I'm going home."

You need to fuck off with this dishonest bootlicking bullshit.
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hockeybub89
12/02/20 9:48:48 PM
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I don't know why people say context matters. Everything matters.

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legendarylemur
12/02/20 9:59:20 PM
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Why not just "Repurpose Police Funds" I don't fucking know. Or "Police Are Taking The Money And Running It Down"

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LightHawKnight
12/02/20 10:09:09 PM
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fuming posted...
Who cares what people who don't pay attention to politics think? We aren't voting on defund the police. We are organizing people who actually fucking pay attention and are active to try to achieve that goal. If you just wanna win the culture war, sure, but only vapid facebook users care about that compared to material gains. Those people's approval literally does not matter one bit and could be easily swayed against any cause by the media or facebook, pointless to try to win them.

Thats the people a slogan is supposed to convert over.

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CyricZ
12/02/20 10:14:32 PM
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Defunding the police IS the compromise.

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lightwarrior78
12/02/20 10:18:55 PM
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Alternative slogan: outdo the police.

You show the world how it's done and make positive change in the world, then we can cut police funding as they become obsolete under your new ideas.

Problem is people want a big up front change now, and it's one that as promoted, is essentially a gamble that it would work, and from there all it takes is one story (true or not) of crime going up or a BLM supporter calling the cops for a noise complaint, and it all falls apart.

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CyricZ
12/03/20 8:24:32 AM
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Remember when Colin Kaepernick took a knee? Remember how simple of a statement that was? Remember when he went on TV to explain that statement in a couple minutes?

Yet people fanatically refused, deliberately misinterpreted, and did everything they could to discredit the message?

"Bad slogans" aren't the problem.

There's never a "nice way" to sell progress to people who don't want progress.

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Doom_Art
12/03/20 8:27:29 AM
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If you have to explain it or justify it then it's not a good slogan

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Veggeta X
12/03/20 8:27:35 AM
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I marked this topic because there is already a 300+ topic about this very same thing.

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Veggeta X
12/03/20 8:28:30 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
If you have to explain it or justify it then it's not a good slogan
I have to agree with this, though. We hate Trump and his supporters for having to re-explain or re-describe WTF they mean and say when they say the shit they say. Why do the same?

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The Trent
12/03/20 8:30:08 AM
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lol

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Veggeta X
12/03/20 9:19:41 AM
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*Context only matters when I'm the one building the narrative

Fixed it for yall

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averagejoel
12/03/20 9:20:00 AM
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lightwarrior78 posted...
Alternative slogan: outdo the police.

You show the world how it's done and make positive change in the world, then we can cut police funding as they become obsolete under your new ideas.

Problem is people want a big up front change now, and it's one that as promoted, is essentially a gamble that it would work, and from there all it takes is one story (true or not) of crime going up or a BLM supporter calling the cops for a noise complaint, and it all falls apart.
the problem with "outdo the police" is that there are a lot of white supremacists that aren't police officers

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