Current Events > Liberals and Conservatives need to learn to coexist

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neither side is going away. instead of furthering the partisan divide we need to work together to understand each other's viewpoints and understand that "compromise" is not a dirty word. it's a sign of maturity.
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We already do.

We can still disagree. We can still argue. We can still have principles we don't budge on.
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the problem with that is that the form of compromise my generation is familiar with is the kind of compromise where two sides of elites agree to sell us down the river
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CyricZ posted...

We already do.

We can still disagree. We can still argue. We can still have principles we don't budge on.

perhaps i should have said "coexist with more respect for each other" because the growing partisan divide in this country is absolutely counter-productive. this mentality of "as long as the other side is losing i dont care what happens" is utterly toxic. politics were not this bad 20 years ago. it's been getting progressively more and more partisan since i started paying attention.
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Not going to happen while the most divisive president in modern history is in office and the right not only begrudgingly accept it but flat out praise it.
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The Democratic party is the modern day example of "compromise"

A right wing party that blames everything bad on that other worse looking right wing party that is essentially the exact same.
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Heineken14 posted...

Not going to happen while the most divisive president in modern history is in office and the right not only begrudgingly accept it but flat out praise it.

Yeah, we're never gonna get anywhere dealing with the kind of people who respond with memes and "liberal tears" to valid criticism.

Its hard to do that when conservatives keep denying reality or outright lying even after proven wrong.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

The Democratic party is the modern day example of "compromise"

LOL

This is the problem, the left and right have a delusional level of self-righteousness these days.

Liberals need to learn what liberals are supposed to be and stop using fascist techniques to silence the other side through violence.

NeverOffended posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

The Democratic party is the modern day example of "compromise"

LOL

This is the problem, the left and right have a delusional level of self-righteousness these days.

HURR DURR LIBERALS
HURR DURR CONSERVATIVES

the politics created this 2 party divisive crap to make fools like him fight each other while they get away with criminal crap
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iPhone_7 posted...

Its hard to do that when conservatives keep denying reality or outright lying even after proven wrong.

This. The American left can stop embracing fascism already. The right will never, ever compromise.
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Same shit both sides, I'd much rather they both fucked off into a ditch somewhere.
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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Same shit both sides, I'd much rather they both fucked off into a ditch somewhere.

i don't think the generalized political stances of "liberal" or "conservative" will ever go away. if you meant the modern political parties that "represent" each side, then yeah sure, i can dig that.
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You can start by admitting that most Republicans arent racist
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Make debate a mandatory high school course. Most people don't even know what an axiom is, let alone how to form a coherent defense of their own beliefs. When you don't know how to actually defend the things you say, you have no choice but to call the other person names, because humans are stubborn and calling your opponent a monster is easier than admitting your opinion isn't well thought out.
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95 percent of problem comes from Republicans.

Thats not partisanship. Thats common sense at this point.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/09/gop-decay-of-political-norms/540165/

Caution999 posted...

You can start by admitting that most Republicans arent racist

Have I (personally) made such a claim? If I ever did, that was absolutely ridiculous and I'm ashamed.

Most Republicans aren't racist. And you can quote me on that.
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Politics is a struggle over how to direct the resources of society. It should be treated as such, not as an exercise in manners and civility.
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Antifar posted...

Politics is a struggle over how to direct the resources of society. It should be treated as such, not as an exercise in manners and civility.

you think plugging our ears and collectively refusing to listen to anything the other side has to say or contribute is constructive? because thats what modern politics feel like IMO.
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Antifar posted...

Politics is a struggle over how to direct the resources of society. It should be treated as such, not as an exercise in manners and civility.

You say that as the side that doesn't believe in or own firearms. My guess is you don't actually want it to be treated like a struggle over resources, because you won't win.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Liberals and conservatives only hate each other on TV and on the internet. In real life, they co-exist and are friends and love each other very much. Sometimes, they even have sex with each other and create independent children.

You've been watching too much brokeback mountain.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Liberals and conservatives only hate each other on TV and on the internet. In real life, they co-exist and are friends and love each other very much. Sometimes, they even have sex with each other and create independent children.

i dont know man. there's a pretty conservative guy i work with and anytime we touch on a subject remotely political it just gets tense. fast.

the conversation quickly devolves into "you guys this, you guys that" and i'm just as guilty as he is.
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America is a **** country and its people are uncultured.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

Liberals and conservatives only hate each other on TV and on the internet. In real life, they co-exist and are friends and love each other very much. Sometimes, they even have sex with each other and create independent children.

i dont know man. there's a pretty conservative guy i work with and anytime we touch on a subject remotely political it just gets tense. fast.

the conversation quickly devolves into "you guys this, you guys that" and i'm just as guilty as he is.

Then this topic is just projection of your communication problems. The rest of us avoid talking politics if it will cause problems with people we consider friends or coworkers.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

Liberals and conservatives only hate each other on TV and on the internet. In real life, they co-exist and are friends and love each other very much. Sometimes, they even have sex with each other and create independent children.

i dont know man. there's a pretty conservative guy i work with and anytime we touch on a subject remotely political it just gets tense. fast.

the conversation quickly devolves into "you guys this, you guys that" and i'm just as guilty as he is.

Then this topic is just projection of your communication problems. The rest of us avoid talking politics if it will cause problems with people we consider friends or coworkers.

i try really darn hard to avoid politics whenever he is around.

and no, this is a frustration i usually only have when reading shit on the internet because i (try to) only talk politics IRL with people i know i agree with.
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s0nicfan posted...

You say that as the side that doesn't believe in or own firearms. My guess is you don't actually want it to be treated like a struggle over resources, because you won't win.

Buddy, I'm a socialist. I am keenly aware that we are up against it. Compromising with climate change deniers won't change that, though.
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i dont know if tc has figured it out but does he pay attention to the shit Trump says about how the media is the enemy or how democrats want to infest america with ms13.

you can talk about civility, but i am going to guess a large amount, maybe even most Republicans agree with trump.

time for people to accept that there is no hope for reasoning or compromise with republicans.

Antifar posted...

s0nicfan posted...

You say that as the side that doesn't believe in or own firearms. My guess is you don't actually want it to be treated like a struggle over resources, because you won't win.

Buddy, I'm a socialist. I am keenly aware that we are up against it. Compromising with climate change deniers won't change that, though.

a significant reason why the right fights climate change is because they originally viewed it as a "liberal" thing and, thus, it must be rivaled. a prominent Congressman was caught even saying something like "I just know that Al Gore supports it so I'm against it".

consider that their side does have some merits to their points. over-regulation is a bad thing. checks and balances are key.
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Antifar posted...

s0nicfan posted...

You say that as the side that doesn't believe in or own firearms. My guess is you don't actually want it to be treated like a struggle over resources, because you won't win.

Buddy, I'm a socialist. I am keenly aware that we are up against it. Compromising with climate change deniers won't change that, though.

Oh, well you're well adjusted to losing, then. Carry on.
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Trying to compromise is how we got Trump to begin with, Obama and crew went to the republicans and they flat out said they'd be destroying them if they dared to go public with their concerns about Trump, hell compromise is how we got that shitty obamacare bill, how the republicans got a hard right supreme court justice and how they gained control of the house by causing a government shutdown and blaming it on Obama like Trump plans on doing in September. Compromise doesn't mean dick when the person you try to compromise with just wants to stab you in the back and put the knife in your hand after putting ketchup on their own back.
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Conservatives have long extended the olive branch.

When it comes to gun control, liberals always want a "compromise" where we don't actually get anything. We just get more rights stripped away.
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Alphamon posted...

time for people to accept that there is no hope for reasoning or compromise with republicans.

Seriously. This is the wrong message to be sending when Congress is cool with a president who cages little kids for funsies. Fuck the GOP.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

Antifar posted...

s0nicfan posted...

You say that as the side that doesn't believe in or own firearms. My guess is you don't actually want it to be treated like a struggle over resources, because you won't win.

Buddy, I'm a socialist. I am keenly aware that we are up against it. Compromising with climate change deniers won't change that, though.

a significant reason why the right fights climate change is because they originally viewed it as a "liberal" thing and, thus, it must be rivaled. a prominent Congressman was caught even saying something like "I just know that Al Gore supports it so I'm against it".

consider that their side does have some merits to their points. over-regulation is a bad thing. checks and balances are key.

Maybe they do. But like you said. Its because liberals are for it.

There is no fucking reasoning with that. Its not both sides. Its almost entirely on them.

the most effective advocate against climate change that currently serves in Congress is a Republican from Florida
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I'm honestly getting to the point that I don't want to go to family functions because of the Donald Trump supporters in my family. I contemplated skipping Christmas on my mother's side last year.

tremain07 posted...

Compromise doesn't mean dick when the person you try to compromise with just wants to stab you in the back and put the knife in your hand after putting ketchup on their own back.

it's only effective if we all get on board
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

tremain07 posted...

Compromise doesn't mean dick when the person you try to compromise with just wants to stab you in the back and put the knife in your hand after putting ketchup on their own back.

it's only effective if we all get on board

Alphamon posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

tremain07 posted...

Compromise doesn't mean dick when the person you try to compromise with just wants to stab you in the back and put the knife in your hand after putting ketchup on their own back.

it's only effective if we all get on board

im a crazy idealist, i know. but at least i can dream.

i just know that this whole "US vs THEM" mentality wasn't nearly as prevalent in the 90s. but nowadays we literally have memes for "haha take that liberals" because that's how politics are these days.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

Caution999 posted...

You can start by admitting that most Republicans arent racist

Have I (personally) made such a claim? If I ever did, that was absolutely ridiculous and I'm ashamed.

Most Republicans aren't racist. And you can quote me on that.

Sounds good :)
And as I've often posted in the past, most people (on here) that are on the left do generally have big hearts. It's just that I find that they're all too unrealistic with their ideas.
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Caution999 posted...

most people (on here) that are on the left do generally have big hearts. It's just that I find that they're all too unrealistic with their ideas.

and that's exactly what why we need each other. checks and balances.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

tremain07 posted...

Compromise doesn't mean dick when the person you try to compromise with just wants to stab you in the back and put the knife in your hand after putting ketchup on their own back.

it's only effective if we all get on board

What we need to do is find some fucking reps that will have some integrity and vote for them. Might as well give up on America otherwise.
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Can't coexist when the liberals do nothing but talk shit. This topic is a prime example.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Can't coexist when the liberals do nothing but talk shit. This topic is a prime example.

responding to hate with hate only brews more hate. this is how you end up with thousand year feuds because neither side is willing to forgive.
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Tea Party:
A wave of crazy Republicans elected to office in 2010 that turned the party into the Party of No.

Trump leading the Birther Movement:
Our current President lead a national campaign to refuse the legitimacy of Obamas Presidency. Based on his funny name, the color of his skin, and being from the exotic foreign land of Hawaii. Trump took a page from the Nazis by asking You papers please. It got so bad that many Republicans in Congress (especially the House) started to get on board and the rest of them refused to condemn the movement.

Republican Convention:
A stadium full of deplorables. All the representatives of their party shouting to imprison the political opponent. Something straight out of a 3rd world country.

The Republican leader & representative:
Trump is not an outlier of the Republican Party. His ilk hijacked the party in 2010 and now they are the Party.

So Ill never accept this both sides are equally bad bulls*** from the ignorant or naive, who thankfully are too young or too lazy to vote.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

a significant reason why the right fights climate change is because they originally viewed it as a "liberal" thing and, thus, it must be rivaled.

Actually it's because fossil fuel companies recognize the unsustainability of their business model and conducted a well-funded, decades-long campaign to seed doubt in the minds of the public and, more importantly, the people who have power.

You can see this in the large gaps of opinion that still exist between Republican voters and donors on the issue:
https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/12/republican-donors-climate-change/

It's not about blind opposition to the other; the gaps between Republicans and Democrats on climate change were pretty small until the late 90s
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iPhone_7 posted...

Tea Party:
A wave of crazy Republicans elected to office in 2010 that turned the party into the Party of No.

Trump leading the Birther Movement:
Our current President lead a national campaign to refuse the legitimacy of Obamas Presidency. Based on his funny name, the color of his skin, and being from the exotic foreign land of Hawaii. Trump took a page from the Nazis by asking You papers please. It got so bad that many Republicans in Congress (especially the House) started to get on board and the rest of them refused to condemn the movement.

Republican Convention:
A stadium full of deplorables. All the representatives of their party shouting to imprison the political opponent. Something straight out of a 3rd world country.

The Republican leader & representative:
Trump is not an outlier of the Republican Party. His ilk hijacked the party in 2010 and now they are the Party.

So Ill never accept this both sides are equally bad bulls*** from the ignorant or naive, who thankfully are too young or too lazy to vote.

Go back just eight years earlier and you get the same results with the roles reversed. Same as now