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Kombucha
02/25/18 2:56:07 PM
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do you agree with trumps plan to raise all gun sales to 21?


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966662241977360384

I will be strongly pushing Comprehensive Background Checks with an emphasis on Mental Health. Raise age to 21 and end sale of Bump Stocks! Congress is in a mood to finally do something on this issue - I hope!

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metralo
02/25/18 2:56:52 PM
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its a good start, but I doubt it'll happen.
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ModLogic
02/25/18 2:57:05 PM
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Damn_Underscore
02/25/18 2:58:25 PM
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Seems like a good idea.

People will hate it because it's Trump's idea though.
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Schwarber
02/25/18 2:58:50 PM
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Sure, why not. I think the more important question is - what about Hillary?
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545x39
02/25/18 2:59:23 PM
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Only if they raise the draft age to 21 and bar entrance into the military until 21.
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TheVipaGTS
02/25/18 2:59:45 PM
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Yea. good starting point. Hopefully they build off of it instead of stopping there and saying "what, we tried?"
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Fam_Fam
02/25/18 3:00:08 PM
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sounds good to me.

21 and background checks is fine with me
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TheVipaGTS
02/25/18 3:01:23 PM
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545x39 posted...
Only if they raise the draft age to 21 and bar entrance into the military until 21.

Eh, i don't like this argument tbh. People going into the military are extensively trained to handle these fire arms. they're taught the severity of the weapon, etc...Random teens getting guns for hunting or whatever generally are not...Maybe we can implement some sort of training requirements for those people too....but unfortunately many seem to be against that idea for some reason.
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daftpunk_mk5
02/25/18 3:01:37 PM
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No.
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Dark_Spiret
02/25/18 3:02:14 PM
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bladegash
02/25/18 3:03:53 PM
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I agree with it.

And i think that anyone that wants to handle a firearm before then has the opportunity with law enforcement or military, where they will be extensively trained on weapon safety.
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scorpion41
02/25/18 3:05:46 PM
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Ill get behind this. If you want one earlier then go join the military or police force where you re supervised training. I also wouldnt oppose a gun safety course in grade schools, similar to what we did with DARE back in the 90s. Educate kids on why things can be dangerous and proper handling instead of this is evil it wants to murder you and your family!
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gunplagirl
02/25/18 3:06:02 PM
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Will it affect things like say, preventing an adult from taking their kid shooting? Will grampa Joe still be able to give little Charlie a gun for Christmas? Will Joe have to lock up his gun and get in trouble if Charlie gets access to the gun? Obviously this is a start but if it doesn't prevent resales or gifted ones it doesn't really have any meaningful design behind it.

Trump stealing ideas and claiming them as his own. How unsurprising that he will likely make it not be restrictive enough .
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Rika_Furude
02/25/18 3:07:25 PM
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It would be a small step in the right direction. Too small though.
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FrankIin
02/25/18 3:07:42 PM
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If you can join the military and vote at 18, you should be able to own a gun. In fact, I think that the age should be much lower. Kids who learn to use firearms at a young age learn to handle them responsibly.
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TheVipaGTS
02/25/18 3:07:47 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Will Joe have to lock up his gun and get in trouble if Charlie gets access to the gun?

he should have to do that anyway. Proper gun safety. they're supposed to be locked up and kept away from people who aren't supposed to access them. tbh if Joe doesn't lock up his gun and 15 year old charlie gets his hands on it, unsupervised, and hurts someone or something i think Joe should face some consequences for negligence.

I can get in trouble right now for buying a minor alcohol. you should get in trouble for buying a weapon FOR a minor...i think you can amend that to mean the minor can have supervised access to it. take him to a range, etc....but when its not in use lock it up and don't give the minor access...
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Muffinz0rz
02/25/18 3:08:57 PM
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ModLogic posted...
every newborn baby shpuld have the right and access to guns

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Itachi157
02/25/18 3:09:36 PM
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It's not unreasonable.
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Damn_Underscore
02/25/18 3:11:19 PM
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There's a difference between using a gun & being taught how to use it safely and buying a gun on your own with no supervision.

Just because you can't buy a gun doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to use one. And if you go hunting with your grandfather or something you should be taught how to use a gun safely.
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gunplagirl
02/25/18 3:11:55 PM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Will Joe have to lock up his gun and get in trouble if Charlie gets access to the gun?

he should have to do that anyway. Proper gun safety. they're supposed to be locked up and kept away from people who aren't supposed to access them. tbh if Joe doesn't lock up his gun and 15 year old charlie gets his hands on it, unsupervised, and hurts someone or something i think Joe should face some consequences for negligence.

I can get in trouble right now for buying a minor alcohol. you should get in trouble for buying a weapon FOR a minor...i think you can amend that to mean the minor can have supervised access to it. take him to a range, etc....but when its not in use lock it up and don't give the minor access...


I agree with this. It SHOULD be this way. But it's not.
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gunplagirl
02/25/18 3:15:08 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
There's a difference between using a gun & being taught how to use it safely and buying a gun on your own with no supervision.

Just because you can't buy a gun doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to use one. And if you go hunting with your grandfather or something you should be taught how to use a gun safely.

Would you proceed assuming the grandfather teaches safety to the child, or would you want it regulated and to go through some weekend type of class to have the kid taught by professionals in a controlled environment, and then allow them to go shooting with their grandfather?
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Letron_James
02/25/18 3:15:52 PM
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Its a start.

And im fine with you being able to join the army at 18. Because ya know they actually will train you to handle a weapon properly.
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Schwarber
02/25/18 3:15:58 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
Ill get behind this. If you want one earlier then go join the military or police force where you re supervised training. I also wouldnt oppose a gun safety course in grade schools, similar to what we did with DARE back in the 90s. Educate kids on why things can be dangerous and proper handling instead of this is evil it wants to murder you and your family!


DARE was a pretty massive failure.
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gunplagirl
02/25/18 3:17:09 PM
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Schwarber posted...
scorpion41 posted...
Ill get behind this. If you want one earlier then go join the military or police force where you re supervised training. I also wouldnt oppose a gun safety course in grade schools, similar to what we did with DARE back in the 90s. Educate kids on why things can be dangerous and proper handling instead of this is evil it wants to murder you and your family!


DARE was a pretty massive failure.


I've never had anyone offer me drugs before. Well once when I walked on the back side of the mall but it slipped my mind that there were people selling there since it was still daytime.
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FrankIin
02/25/18 3:18:25 PM
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Letron_James posted...
Its a start.

And im fine with you being able to join the army at 18. Because ya know they actually will train you to handle a weapon properly.


The Army doesn't teach you to use a weapon properly. They teach you just enough to not negligently discharge your weapon, and pass qualifications.
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Cosmic_Diabetic
02/25/18 3:22:42 PM
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The vegas shooting clearly wouldn't have happened if we had the age restriction be at 21....
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FrankIin
02/25/18 3:23:42 PM
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Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
The vegas shooting clearly wouldn't have happened if we had the age restriction be at 21....


Or the Isla Vista shooting!
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gunplagirl
02/25/18 3:24:12 PM
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Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
The vegas shooting clearly wouldn't have happened if we had the age restriction be at 21....

"This wouldn't have stopped that attack, therefore it's pointless and let's do nothing"
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Trigg3rH4ppy
02/25/18 3:24:32 PM
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This will never work unless it doesn't apply to hunting rifles and shotguns. Most people that hunt start when they're 13-16 or younger. What are they all going to do between the ages of 18-21 when they're old enough to move out but can't buy their own guns? Simply not possible unless there's exceptions for hunting. Too many people rely on hunting for affordable protein.

and they're just going to start buying them from private sellers and not registering them.

I'm all for this when it comes to practically everything else. I don't think any man below the age of 25 should be allowed to buy ARs. Let them get that teen angst out of their systems first.
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FrankIin
02/25/18 3:24:49 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
The vegas shooting clearly wouldn't have happened if we had the age restriction be at 21....

"This wouldn't have stopped that attack, therefore it's pointless and let's do nothing"


"Let's do something that doesn't actually solve the problem"
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lilORANG
02/25/18 3:25:44 PM
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Hell yes. Hopefully he keeps his word

*looks at all the times he blatantly lied in the past*

well, let's wait and see.
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gunplagirl
02/25/18 3:26:11 PM
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FrankIin posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
The vegas shooting clearly wouldn't have happened if we had the age restriction be at 21....

"This wouldn't have stopped that attack, therefore it's pointless and let's do nothing"


"Let's do something that doesn't actually solve the problem"


"I am conflating school shootings which are predominately carried out by students with mass shootings by adults in non-school areas"
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bladegash
02/25/18 3:26:13 PM
#36:


FrankIin posted...
Letron_James posted...
Its a start.

And im fine with you being able to join the army at 18. Because ya know they actually will train you to handle a weapon properly.


The Army doesn't teach you to use a weapon properly. They teach you just enough to not negligently discharge your weapon, and pass qualifications.


So then the marines it is.
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Paragon21XX
02/25/18 3:27:15 PM
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It'd be far more effective to limit sales of so-called "assault weapons" to those with a valid carry permit than to arbitrarily raise the age of purchase.
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FrankIin
02/25/18 3:27:57 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
FrankIin posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
The vegas shooting clearly wouldn't have happened if we had the age restriction be at 21....

"This wouldn't have stopped that attack, therefore it's pointless and let's do nothing"


"Let's do something that doesn't actually solve the problem"


"I am conflating school shootings which are predominately carried out by students with mass shootings by adults in non-school areas"


"I try to isolate a nation-wide issue to specific instances because none of my arguments otherwise at least half-work"
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Damn_Underscore
02/25/18 3:28:59 PM
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The literal only way to 100% stop gun violence is to fully ban and destroy all guns. Regardless of whether that's even feasible or not, does anyone think that is a good idea?
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DezDroppedFreak
02/25/18 3:29:01 PM
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Nah if you ain't strapped coming out the womb you're not American tbhhhh
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gunplagirl
02/25/18 3:30:27 PM
#41:


FrankIin posted...
gunplagirl posted...
FrankIin posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
The vegas shooting clearly wouldn't have happened if we had the age restriction be at 21....

"This wouldn't have stopped that attack, therefore it's pointless and let's do nothing"


"Let's do something that doesn't actually solve the problem"


"I am conflating school shootings which are predominately carried out by students with mass shootings by adults in non-school areas"


"I try to isolate a nation-wide issue to specific instances because none of my arguments otherwise at least half-work"


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FrankIin
02/25/18 3:30:28 PM
#42:


Damn_Underscore posted...
The literal only way to 100% stop gun violence is to fully ban and destroy all guns. Regardless of whether that's even feasible or not, does anyone think that is a good idea?


It's not a good idea. Victims of violent crime often wish they had a gun to defend themselves. Also look at the authoritarian government that Obama tried to impose on us. If our citizenry weren't so armed, he would have been much bolder.
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ZMythos
02/25/18 3:30:36 PM
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Too little too late.
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FrankIin
02/25/18 3:30:52 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
FrankIin posted...
gunplagirl posted...
FrankIin posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
The vegas shooting clearly wouldn't have happened if we had the age restriction be at 21....

"This wouldn't have stopped that attack, therefore it's pointless and let's do nothing"


"Let's do something that doesn't actually solve the problem"


"I am conflating school shootings which are predominately carried out by students with mass shootings by adults in non-school areas"


"I try to isolate a nation-wide issue to specific instances because none of my arguments otherwise at least half-work"


"I'm Franklin and I finally got gunpla-senpai to notice me uwu"


Notice how this kid tries to troll when his/her argument gets blown out of the water by logic.
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sktgamer_13dude
02/25/18 3:31:59 PM
#45:


Hothlin trying to get back in purgatory with another meltdown smh
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Cosmic_Diabetic
02/25/18 3:32:15 PM
#46:


FrankIin posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
The vegas shooting clearly wouldn't have happened if we had the age restriction be at 21....

"This wouldn't have stopped that attack, therefore it's pointless and let's do nothing"


"Let's do something that doesn't actually solve the problem"


So then I take it you guys are for just flat out banning AR-15's regardless of age? We can finally agree on something.
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DyingPancake
02/25/18 3:33:30 PM
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
This will never work unless it doesn't apply to hunting rifles and shotguns. Most people that hunt start when they're 13-16 or younger. What are they all going to do between the ages of 18-21 when they're old enough to move out but can't buy their own guns? Simply not possible unless there's exceptions for hunting. Too many people rely on hunting for affordable protein.

and they're just going to start buying them from private sellers and not registering them.

I'm all for this when it comes to practically everything else. I don't think any man below the age of 25 should be allowed to buy ARs. Let them get that teen angst out of their systems first.


Thats a good point

Would you have to get someone of legal age to sign for you? That could cause problems and might not be possible for some. Were basically where we started at that point because the only thing stopping a psychopath from buying is just one extra step
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FrankIin
02/25/18 3:34:22 PM
#48:


Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
FrankIin posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
The vegas shooting clearly wouldn't have happened if we had the age restriction be at 21....

"This wouldn't have stopped that attack, therefore it's pointless and let's do nothing"


"Let's do something that doesn't actually solve the problem"


So then I take it you guys are for just flat out banning AR-15's regardless of age? We can finally agree on something.


Go ahead and ban the AR-15. I own an AK47, so I'm good!
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DyingPancake
02/25/18 3:34:25 PM
#49:


Damn_Underscore posted...
The literal only way to 100% stop gun violence is to fully ban and destroy all guns. Regardless of whether that's even feasible or not, does anyone think that is a good idea?


Hell no

What an awful idea
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gunplagirl
02/25/18 3:34:35 PM
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FrankIin posted...
gunplagirl posted...
FrankIin posted...
gunplagirl posted...
FrankIin posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
The vegas shooting clearly wouldn't have happened if we had the age restriction be at 21....

"This wouldn't have stopped that attack, therefore it's pointless and let's do nothing"


"Let's do something that doesn't actually solve the problem"


"I am conflating school shootings which are predominately carried out by students with mass shootings by adults in non-school areas"


"I try to isolate a nation-wide issue to specific instances because none of my arguments otherwise at least half-work"


"I'm Franklin and I finally got gunpla-senpai to notice me uwu"


Notice how this kid tries to troll when his/her argument gets blown out of the water by logic.

So what, are you suggesting we need more and way more strict policy to limit gun access? Or are you saying that any attempts at limiting gun access are moot because bad guys will still get them? Stop beating around the bush and actually address the point with an argument and not just a string of one-liners.
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eggcorn
02/25/18 3:34:55 PM
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Does that mean you can't join the military until 21 or can you still use one, just not buy one?
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