Current Events > do you agree with trumps plan to raise all gun sales to 21?

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gunplagirl posted...

FrankIin posted...

gunplagirl posted...

FrankIin posted...

gunplagirl posted...

FrankIin posted...

gunplagirl posted...

"This wouldn't have stopped that attack, therefore it's pointless and let's do nothing"

"Let's do something that doesn't actually solve the problem"

"I am conflating school shootings which are predominately carried out by students with mass shootings by adults in non-school areas"

"I try to isolate a nation-wide issue to specific instances because none of my arguments otherwise at least half-work"

"I'm Franklin and I finally got gunpla-senpai to notice me uwu"

Notice how this kid tries to troll when his/her argument gets blown out of the water by logic.

So what, are you suggesting we need more and way more strict policy to limit gun access? Or are you saying that any attempts at limiting gun access are moot because bad guys will still get them? Stop beating around the bush and actually address the point with an argument and not just a string of one-liners.

Its Hothlin. Hes just gonna continue to troll you.
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DyingPancake posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

The literal only way to 100% stop gun violence is to fully ban and destroy all guns. Regardless of whether that's even feasible or not, does anyone think that is a good idea?

Hell no

What an awful idea

There's a long history of countries banning guns, if only for minorities, and then carrying out a genocide. So I definitely agree a full ban wouldn't work. Especially since we know for certain a ban would not include the police or other military groups (national guard) that can be sent to enforce the law.
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i think that i agree with trump on the concept of raising the age of purchase to 21, but i don't have faith in congress to truly design a bill that will fully raise the age limit. i think they will make exceptions for gifts, inheritances, etc which will probably negate any real impact.
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gunplagirl posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

The vegas shooting clearly wouldn't have happened if we had the age restriction be at 21....

"This wouldn't have stopped that attack, therefore it's pointless and let's do nothing"

It's funny that I'm the one being accused of trolling, but this person started the fake quotes.

Not that I expect much differently from liberals.

Now to respond to your other message:

Let me run this by you really slowly.

The government has a flawed background check system, failed reporting measures. It lets people on no-fly lists buy weapons.

We don't want "gun reform" that hurts the rights of law-abiding people. We want gun reform that keeps guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, criminals, and suspected terrorists.

Like Marco Rubio said - which you and CNN like to misquote -, "Gun reform alone will not fix the problem". We have a mental health crisis in America which needs to be addressed. This is something liberals should be happy about, that conservatives want to help fund mental health services, but liberals are the opposition party and nothing else.
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No I do not agree with this, raising the age to 21 is not going to change anything.
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FrankIin posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

FrankIin posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

The vegas shooting clearly wouldn't have happened if we had the age restriction be at 21....

"This wouldn't have stopped that attack, therefore it's pointless and let's do nothing"

"Let's do something that doesn't actually solve the problem"

So then I take it you guys are for just flat out banning AR-15's regardless of age? We can finally agree on something.

Go ahead and ban the AR-15. I own an AK47, so I'm good!

Considering how pistols such as revolvers are much better for close quarter home self-defense and ak47's are certainly not meant for hunting why do you have an ak47 and is it "hypothetically" worth children being butchered in schools?
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Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

FrankIin posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

FrankIin posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

The vegas shooting clearly wouldn't have happened if we had the age restriction be at 21....

"This wouldn't have stopped that attack, therefore it's pointless and let's do nothing"

"Let's do something that doesn't actually solve the problem"

So then I take it you guys are for just flat out banning AR-15's regardless of age? We can finally agree on something.

Go ahead and ban the AR-15. I own an AK47, so I'm good!

Considering how pistols such as revolvers are much better for close quarter home self-defense and ak47's are certainly not meant for hunting why do you have an ak47 and is it "hypothetically" worth children being butchered in schools?

I have a revolver. The AK is for fun.

Hypothetically, if guns were to blame for these tragedies, my ownership if the AK47 would not be worth it, because there are other ways to have fun. Luckily guns aren't the problem because you can kill scores of people with knives, bombs, and trucks, so I don't have to worry about it.
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Its just a token concession. The majority of people who want one will just get their mom or dad to get it for them.

I had a shotgun as a present when I was a kid. Way too young to buy it, but the point is that if you want it badly enough you can easily get it.

If they really wanted to do something, theyd make it more difficult to gift them.
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Nope. It's a placebo for the American people. Though the only bad I see coming from it will be a waste of taxpayer money. Well that and everyone just ignoring the bigger issues.
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FrankIin posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

FrankIin posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

FrankIin posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

The vegas shooting clearly wouldn't have happened if we had the age restriction be at 21....

"This wouldn't have stopped that attack, therefore it's pointless and let's do nothing"

"Let's do something that doesn't actually solve the problem"

So then I take it you guys are for just flat out banning AR-15's regardless of age? We can finally agree on something.

Go ahead and ban the AR-15. I own an AK47, so I'm good!

Considering how pistols such as revolvers are much better for close quarter home self-defense and ak47's are certainly not meant for hunting why do you have an ak47 and is it "hypothetically" worth children being butchered in schools?

I have a revolver. The AK is for fun.

Hypothetically, if guns were to blame for these tragedies, my ownership if the AK47 would not be worth it, because there are other ways to have fun. Luckily guns aren't the problem because you can kill scores of people with knives, bombs, and trucks, so I don't have to worry about it.

I'm sure Adam Lanza could stab 25 people in the course of 5 minutes with a knife.
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Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

I'm sure Adam Lanza could stab 25 people in the course of 5 minutes with a knife.

Anybody could. The question is whether you'd have the endurance to do so.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

I'm sure Adam Lanza could stab 25 people in the course of 5 minutes with a knife.

Anybody could. The question is whether you'd have the endurance to do so.

Well he had the body of a 12-year-old so those teachers probably had more than a fair fighting chance especially the first two victims who were two full grown adults. In a fight against Adam Lanza with a knife and it would just be me and one other adult even with only our hands I'd like those odds. These shooters have a tendency to be really scrawny little guys. Or in the case of Vegas be dirt old.

And I don't think those kids in the one bathroom would just sit there while he stabbed them one by one. He'd maybe get a couple while most would scramble past him. Not exactly the same situation as using a semi-automatic.
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Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

I'm sure Adam Lanza could stab 25 people in the course of 5 minutes with a knife.

Anybody could. The question is whether you'd have the endurance to do so.

Well he had the body of a 12-year-old so those teachers probably had more than a fair fighting chance especially the first two victims who were two full grown adults. In a fight against Adam Lanza with a knife and it would just be me and one other adult even with only our hands I'd like those odds. These shooters have a tendency to be really scrawny little guys. Or in the case of Vegas be dirt old.

And I don't think those kids in the one bathroom would just sit there while he stabbed them one by one. He'd maybe get a couple while most would scramble past him. Not exactly the same situation as using a semi-automatic.

Reminder that 9/11 was done with nail clippers and shit. Nobody fought back, at least in two of the planes.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

I'm sure Adam Lanza could stab 25 people in the course of 5 minutes with a knife.

Anybody could. The question is whether you'd have the endurance to do so.

Well he had the body of a 12-year-old so those teachers probably had more than a fair fighting chance especially the first two victims who were two full grown adults. In a fight against Adam Lanza with a knife and it would just be me and one other adult even with only our hands I'd like those odds. These shooters have a tendency to be really scrawny little guys. Or in the case of Vegas be dirt old.

And I don't think those kids in the one bathroom would just sit there while he stabbed them one by one. He'd maybe get a couple while most would scramble past him. Not exactly the same situation as using a semi-automatic.

Reminder that 9/11 was done with nail clippers and shit. Nobody fought back, at least in two of the planes.

And our nation took action. More air marshals, more intelligence gathering, new regulations about getting into the airplane cockpits.

Imagine if 9/11 happened and when people asked for new security regulations a group of people said "don't politicize this"
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Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

I'm sure Adam Lanza could stab 25 people in the course of 5 minutes with a knife.

Anybody could. The question is whether you'd have the endurance to do so.

Well he had the body of a 12-year-old so those teachers probably had more than a fair fighting chance especially the first two victims who were two full grown adults. In a fight against Adam Lanza with a knife and it would just be me and one other adult even with only our hands I'd like those odds. These shooters have a tendency to be really scrawny little guys. Or in the case of Vegas be dirt old.

And I don't think those kids in the one bathroom would just sit there while he stabbed them one by one. He'd maybe get a couple while most would scramble past him. Not exactly the same situation as using a semi-automatic.

Reminder that 9/11 was done with nail clippers and shit. Nobody fought back, at least in two of the planes.

And our nation took action. More air marshals, more intelligence gathering, new regulations about getting into the airplane cockpits.

Imagine if 9/11 happened and when people asked for new security regulations a group of people said "don't politicize this"

Imagine how much better off we'd be if people fought back and the nation didn't politicize it.

But that's not people. Your points suck.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

I'm sure Adam Lanza could stab 25 people in the course of 5 minutes with a knife.

Anybody could. The question is whether you'd have the endurance to do so.

Well he had the body of a 12-year-old so those teachers probably had more than a fair fighting chance especially the first two victims who were two full grown adults. In a fight against Adam Lanza with a knife and it would just be me and one other adult even with only our hands I'd like those odds. These shooters have a tendency to be really scrawny little guys. Or in the case of Vegas be dirt old.

And I don't think those kids in the one bathroom would just sit there while he stabbed them one by one. He'd maybe get a couple while most would scramble past him. Not exactly the same situation as using a semi-automatic.

Reminder that 9/11 was done with nail clippers and shit. Nobody fought back, at least in two of the planes.

And our nation took action. More air marshals, more intelligence gathering, new regulations about getting into the airplane cockpits.

Imagine if 9/11 happened and when people asked for new security regulations a group of people said "don't politicize this"

Imagine how much better off we'd be if people fought back and the nation didn't politicize it.

But that's not people. Your points suck.

People are fighting back through gun control.

Or are you suggesting we throw all the responsibility on little children to physically fight back against someone with a semi-auto?

I'd love to understand why you think my points suck. You insult them but insulting something isn't the same as refuting it.
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No. I think the policy should be that when a woman is pregnant, a gun should be surgically implanted in the womb so that the fetus can learn about guns and gun safety early. Obviously, it would be 1 gun per fetus in the event of twins/triplets/etc.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

No. I think the policy should be that when a woman is pregnant, a gun should be surgically implanted in the womb so that the fetus can learn about guns and gun safety early. Obviously, it would be 1 gun per fetus in the event of twins/triplets/etc.

That's crazy.

Possibly crazy enough to work....
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No, until I see some statistics that say there is a higher rate of shootings in between the ages of 18-21. Otherwise it's just some arbitrary number that they chose.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Will Joe have to lock up his gun and get in trouble if Charlie gets access to the gun?

he should have to do that anyway. Proper gun safety. they're supposed to be locked up and kept away from people who aren't supposed to access them. tbh if Joe doesn't lock up his gun and 15 year old charlie gets his hands on it, unsupervised, and hurts someone or something i think Joe should face some consequences for negligence.

I can get in trouble right now for buying a minor alcohol. you should get in trouble for buying a weapon FOR a minor...i think you can amend that to mean the minor can have supervised access to it. take him to a range, etc....but when its not in use lock it up and don't give the minor access...

Lemme guess - rape victims were asking for it.
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Well, that escalated.
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Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

People are fighting back through gun control.

Reactionary politics isn't fighting back. There is no way to fight this now due to how prevalent guns are and how easy it would be to work around silly laws.

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

Or are you suggesting we throw all the responsibility on little children to physically fight back against someone with a semi-auto?

If you want my take, you'd have to take an extreme authoritarian take to control guns. I.e. make all of them illegal, cancel all gun licenses, guns can only be leased on a very temporary basis by the government for government work, then send everyone in the executive branch after people with guns or people making them/selling them illegally.

Option 2 in America is really just to study why we have Pakistan levels of gun violence whereas anywhere that isn't the middle east does not and require by law that those issues are fixed until it works.
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darkjedilink posted...

not surprised you would ignorantly conflate those two things.
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