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Giant_Aspirin 12/27/17 10:26:40 AM #1:	I saw the movie opening day and I've been reading / discussing it quite a bit. I accept what happened to Luke and I think it's actually good writing. But that's not what I want to discuss. the entire plot involving Finn had no point. it doesn't change anything with respect to the main plot and it doesn't evolve or change the characters in any meaningful way. Phasma is entirely pointless as is the fight with her. once they finish up there and meet back up with the Rebels literally nothing is accomplished and Finn is the exact same person. his only meaningful character arc occurs after that subplot and is actually ruined because Rose saves him. that entire 30 minute sequence should have been cut from the film, or re-worked to give it purpose. discuss --- Playing: Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice (PC), Cuphead (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:892943081] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote>I saw the movie opening day and I've been reading / discussing it quite a bit. I accept what happened to Luke and I think it's actually good writing. But that's not what I want to discuss. the entire plot involving Finn had no point. it doesn't change anything with respect to the main plot and it doesn't evolve or change the characters in any meaningful way. Phasma is entirely pointless as is the fight with her. once they finish up there and meet back up with the Rebels literally nothing is accomplished and Finn is the exact same person. his only meaningful character arc occurs after that subplot and is actually ruined because Rose saves him. that entire 30 minute sequence should have been cut from the film, or re-worked to give it purpose. discuss</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 12/27/17 10:35:33 AM #3:	Giant_Aspirin posted... the entire plot involving Finn had no point. Finn as a character has no point. If I were to ask you to list three adjectives to describe him based on TLJ, could you even do it? He literally could have been replaced by anyone. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:892943410] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>the entire plot involving Finn had no point.</quote> Finn as a character has no point. If I were to ask you to list three adjectives to describe him based on TLJ, could you even do it? He literally could have been replaced by anyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 12/27/17 10:46:49 AM #4:	Asherlee10 posted... While I do agree that there is no obvious plot points surrounding Finn's story or his character arc, I'm willing to bet that it will come alive in the next movie. Surely there will be moments from TLJ regarding Finn that will be relevant to Movie #9 i think spending two movies building a character (that has no real relevance to the plot) only to have him become finally relevant in the third movie is poor writing. The Admiral posted... f I were to ask you to list three adjectives to describe him based on TLJ, could you even do it? he does sort of grow in confidence during the movie. in TFA he's terribly unsure of himself and actively avoids conflict, but then in TLJ, he sort of comes out a hero. but i feel like this same arc could have been accomplished in a way that had some impact to the story. I guess one can argue that the point of their subplot is to add to the sense of urgency and desperation the rebels are facing. --- Playing: Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice (PC), Cuphead (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:892943827] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>While I do agree that there is no obvious plot points surrounding Finn's story or his character arc, I'm willing to bet that it will come alive in the next movie. Surely there will be moments from TLJ regarding Finn that will be relevant to Movie #9</quote> i think spending two movies building a character (that has no real relevance to the plot) only to have him become finally relevant in the third movie is poor writing. <cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>f I were to ask you to list three adjectives to describe him based on TLJ, could you even do it?</quote> he does sort of grow in confidence during the movie. in TFA he's terribly unsure of himself and actively avoids conflict, but then in TLJ, he sort of comes out a hero. but i feel like this same arc could have been accomplished in a way that had some impact to the story. I guess one can argue that the point of their subplot is to add to the sense of urgency and desperation the rebels are facing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vol2tex 12/27/17 10:51:39 AM #5:	The subplot directly leads to their evading transports being fired at and the battle at Crait. --- https://imgtc.com/i/x4XUFSS.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/YFpt0kk.jpg <cite>Vol2tex posted [p:892943986] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote>The subplot directly leads to their evading transports being fired at and the battle at Crait.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 12/27/17 10:56:52 AM #6:	Vol2tex posted... The subplot directly leads to their evading transports being fired at and the battle at Crait. wouldn't that have happened anyway, though? like, if Finn didn't exist at all and that didn't happen, wouldn't the end result be the same? the rebels would have had to fall back to Crait either way, it was the only place to go. --- Playing: Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice (PC), Cuphead (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:892944165] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vol2tex posted...</cite> <quote>The subplot directly leads to their evading transports being fired at and the battle at Crait.</quote> wouldn't that have happened anyway, though? like, if Finn didn't exist at all and that didn't happen, wouldn't the end result be the same? the rebels would have had to fall back to Crait either way, it was the only place to go.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnragedSlith 12/27/17 10:56:58 AM #7:	Asherlee10 posted... While I do agree that there is no obvious plot points surrounding Finn's story or his character arc, I'm willing to bet that it will come alive in the next movie. Surely there will be moments from TLJ regarding Finn that will be relevant to Movie #9 I cant tell if this is sarcasm due to 8 dropping everything --- You gotta fly like an eagle and not.b... be like a turkey <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:892944168] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>While I do agree that there is no obvious plot points surrounding Finn's story or his character arc, I'm willing to bet that it will come alive in the next movie. Surely there will be moments from TLJ regarding Finn that will be relevant to Movie #9</quote> I cant tell if this is sarcasm due to 8 dropping everything</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vol2tex 12/27/17 10:59:57 AM #10:	Giant_Aspirin posted... Vol2tex posted... The subplot directly leads to their evading transports being fired at and the battle at Crait. wouldn't that have happened anyway, though? like, if Finn didn't exist at all and that didn't happen, wouldn't the end result be the same? the rebels would have had to fall back to Crait either way, it was the only place to go. The First Order was focusing on their big ship and didn't know about the evading transports until the codebreaker informed them. --- https://imgtc.com/i/x4XUFSS.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/YFpt0kk.jpg <cite>Vol2tex posted [p:892944282] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vol2tex posted...</cite> <quote>The subplot directly leads to their evading transports being fired at and the battle at Crait.</quote> wouldn't that have happened anyway, though? like, if Finn didn't exist at all and that didn't happen, wouldn't the end result be the same? the rebels would have had to fall back to Crait either way, it was the only place to go.</quote> The First Order was focusing on their big ship and didn't know about the evading transports until the codebreaker informed them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta_MAX 12/27/17 10:59:57 AM #11:	Yes TLJ was the Rey and Kylo show. --- I'm Veggeta X's alt <cite>Veggeta_MAX posted [p:892944283] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote>Yes TLJ was the Rey and Kylo show.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
destrian522 12/27/17 11:01:56 AM #12:	Its a trope subversion and critically relevant to the plot. A group of young heroes come up with a low probability chance of success plan to save they day, except its poorly thought out and they fuck it up. People die. Having said that, my issues with the movie also center around this plotline. You may feel better about this when the next one comes out and we see the repercussions of these choices (assuming we do). I cant blame you for wanting it in this movie, but they were trying to fit too much in. --- Etro's Gate---The gameplay nexus for Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy http://etrosgate.com/ \| http://www.twitch.tv/destrianiv <cite>destrian522 posted [p:892944373] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote>Its a trope subversion and critically relevant to the plot. A group of young heroes come up with a low probability chance of success plan to save they day, except its poorly thought out and they fuck it up. People die. Having said that, my issues with the movie also center around this plotline. You may feel better about this when the next one comes out and we see the repercussions of these choices (assuming we do). I cant blame you for wanting it in this movie, but they were trying to fit too much in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vol2tex 12/27/17 1:50:14 PM #13:	bump --- https://imgtc.com/i/x4XUFSS.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/YFpt0kk.jpg <cite>Vol2tex posted [p:892952613] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote>bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 12/27/17 1:56:10 PM #14:	destrian522 posted... A group of young heroes come up with a low probability chance of success plan to save they day, except its poorly thought out and they fuck it up. People die. did anyone die as a direct result of their actions, though? people died because the Resistance was cornered, which would have happened regardless of Finn and Rose doing their thing, right? the orders were to just chill and wait, which the Rebellion did without even knowing Finn and Rose were doing their thing the entire plot ended up in the exact same place it would have without them doing that. the only thing it contributed to the story was developing Finn's character as a hero, instead of a passive observer. Vol2tex posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Vol2tex posted... The subplot directly leads to their evading transports being fired at and the battle at Crait. wouldn't that have happened anyway, though? like, if Finn didn't exist at all and that didn't happen, wouldn't the end result be the same? the rebels would have had to fall back to Crait either way, it was the only place to go. The First Order was focusing on their big ship and didn't know about the evading transports until the codebreaker informed them. shrug. i guess. but that's an awful lot of screen time to dedicate to having the FO figure out that the Resistance fled to the closest planet <_< --- Playing: Hyper Light Drifter (PC), Cuphead (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:892952978] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>destrian522 posted...</cite> <quote>A group of young heroes come up with a low probability chance of success plan to save they day, except its poorly thought out and they fuck it up. People die.</quote> did anyone die as a direct result of their actions, though? people died because the Resistance was cornered, which would have happened regardless of Finn and Rose doing their thing, right? the orders were to just chill and wait, which the Rebellion did without even knowing Finn and Rose were doing their thing the entire plot ended up in the exact same place it would have without them doing that. the only thing it contributed to the story was developing Finn's character as a hero, instead of a passive observer. <cite>Vol2tex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vol2tex posted...</cite> <quote>The subplot directly leads to their evading transports being fired at and the battle at Crait.</quote> wouldn't that have happened anyway, though? like, if Finn didn't exist at all and that didn't happen, wouldn't the end result be the same? the rebels would have had to fall back to Crait either way, it was the only place to go.</quote> The First Order was focusing on their big ship and didn't know about the evading transports until the codebreaker informed them.</quote> shrug. i guess. but that's an awful lot of screen time to dedicate to having the FO figure out that the Resistance fled to the closest planet <_<</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJGrimReaper 12/27/17 1:57:35 PM #15:	It was pretty much the Kylo show with Luke & Rey as support characters to his storyline --- Big Apple, 3 A.M. http://i.imgur.com/CqukfNH.jpg http://i.imgur.com/JgG0NO0.jpg <cite>SSJGrimReaper posted [p:892953054] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote>It was pretty much the Kylo show with Luke & Rey as support characters to his storyline</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 12/27/17 1:58:33 PM #16:	The Finn and Rose thing was mostly useless, it was only there to setup the ending scene with the kid with the ring and his use of the force. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:892953111] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote>The Finn and Rose thing was mostly useless, it was only there to setup the ending scene with the kid with the ring and his use of the force.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 12/27/17 1:59:51 PM #17:	SSJGrimReaper posted... It was pretty much the Kylo show with Luke & Rey as support characters to his storyline which is exactly why I feel like Finn's plot didn't add value to the 'main' point of the movie --- Playing: Hyper Light Drifter (PC), Cuphead (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:892953180] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJGrimReaper posted...</cite> <quote>It was pretty much the Kylo show with Luke & Rey as support characters to his storyline</quote> which is exactly why I feel like Finn's plot didn't add value to the 'main' point of the movie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheDarkCircle 12/27/17 2:00:37 PM #18:	Giant_Aspirin posted... Vol2tex posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Vol2tex posted... The subplot directly leads to their evading transports being fired at and the battle at Crait. wouldn't that have happened anyway, though? like, if Finn didn't exist at all and that didn't happen, wouldn't the end result be the same? the rebels would have had to fall back to Crait either way, it was the only place to go. The First Order was focusing on their big ship and didn't know about the evading transports until the codebreaker informed them. shrug. i guess. but that's an awful lot of screen time to dedicate to having the FO figure out that the Resistance fled to the closest planet <_< It doesn't wrap up in the best way but subplot ends with him actually fucking shit up and making it worse. The FO wouldn't have detected the transports if codebreaker didn't tell them. I actually like the idea of the good guys failing. The problem is the way it's done in the movie it comes across as a throwaway line that doesn't really land. But yeah, his subplot ends with him being responsible for a bunch of friendly deaths <cite>TheDarkCircle posted [p:892953214] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Vol2tex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vol2tex posted...</cite> <quote>The subplot directly leads to their evading transports being fired at and the battle at Crait.</quote> wouldn't that have happened anyway, though? like, if Finn didn't exist at all and that didn't happen, wouldn't the end result be the same? the rebels would have had to fall back to Crait either way, it was the only place to go.</quote> The First Order was focusing on their big ship and didn't know about the evading transports until the codebreaker informed them.</quote> shrug. i guess. but that's an awful lot of screen time to dedicate to having the FO figure out that the Resistance fled to the closest planet <_<</quote> It doesn't wrap up in the best way but subplot ends with him actually fucking shit up and making it worse. The FO wouldn't have detected the transports if codebreaker didn't tell them. I actually like the idea of the good guys failing. The problem is the way it's done in the movie it comes across as a throwaway line that doesn't really land. But yeah, his subplot ends with him being responsible for a bunch of friendly deaths</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 12/27/17 2:01:21 PM #19:	The Admiral posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... the entire plot involving Finn had no point. Finn as a character has no point. If I were to ask you to list three adjectives to describe him based on TLJ, could you even do it? He literally could have been replaced by anyone. He's the first human stormtrooper. Which is to say, he is the first stormtropper we've seen who goes on to reveal his humanity. His background heavily implies that he's a child soldier and that apparently all of the storm troopers are undergoing conditioning now to force compliance. Finn has no memory of his parents, implication: the First Order is raiding worlds to staff their military machine. Finn does a great deal to grow the world and the lore of the franchise. In theory, Finn actually has a lot potential here. There are several opportunities for the films to use some of this set up; they just don't. How does Finn reconcile his current actions with the fact that he's killing his former brothers and arms, and the only other relationships he's ever had? Does Finn appreciate the moral quandaries that come with killing brainwashed child soldiers vs, letting the First Order continue it's galactic conquest? You'd think he'd feel for the child slaves on Canto Bight given his own history wouldn't you? Does he have an impression of the future beyond the immediate week or so? What actually is the nature of his relation with Rey or Finn? Sure, some of these are too heavy for the silver screen, yes. But the character has depths that need to be explored, or else the script flounders looking for something to do with him. --- Whatever happened to standards? Whatever happened to bare minimums? 15 Transwomen of color have been murdered since 1/1/2017 <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:892953256] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>the entire plot involving Finn had no point.</quote> Finn as a character has no point. If I were to ask you to list three adjectives to describe him based on TLJ, could you even do it? He literally could have been replaced by anyone.</quote> He's the first human stormtrooper. Which is to say, he is the first stormtropper we've seen who goes on to reveal his humanity. His background heavily implies that he's a child soldier and that apparently all of the storm troopers are undergoing conditioning now to force compliance. Finn has no memory of his parents, implication: the First Order is raiding worlds to staff their military machine. Finn does a great deal to grow the world and the lore of the franchise. In theory, Finn actually has a lot potential here. There are several opportunities for the films to use some of this set up; they just don't. How does Finn reconcile his current actions with the fact that he's killing his former brothers and arms, and the only other relationships he's ever had? Does Finn appreciate the moral quandaries that come with killing brainwashed child soldiers vs, letting the First Order continue it's galactic conquest? You'd think he'd feel for the child slaves on Canto Bight given his own history wouldn't you? Does he have an impression of the future beyond the immediate week or so? What actually is the nature of his relation with Rey or Finn? Sure, some of these are too heavy for the silver screen, yes. But the character has depths that need to be explored, or else the script flounders looking for something to do with him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 12/27/17 2:02:17 PM #20:	Apparently the FO were entirely clueless about the transports until Benicio told them otherwise. Remember the slave kid who can use the Force and now has met the rebels? Could be more stuff too but that stands out to me. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:892953315] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote>Apparently the FO were entirely clueless about the transports until Benicio told them otherwise. Remember the slave kid who can use the Force and now has met the rebels? Could be more stuff too but that stands out to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJGrimReaper 12/27/17 2:03:03 PM #21:	They could've done alot with the former stormtrooper storyline but it seems like if a character isn't wielding a lightsaber then they have to get to the back of the line. btw even the Phasma fight was lame and only like 15 seconds long --- Big Apple, 3 A.M. http://i.imgur.com/CqukfNH.jpg http://i.imgur.com/JgG0NO0.jpg <cite>SSJGrimReaper posted [p:892953352] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote>They could've done alot with the former stormtrooper storyline but it seems like if a character isn't wielding a lightsaber then they have to get to the back of the line. btw even the Phasma fight was lame and only like 15 seconds long</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wedge Antilles 12/27/17 2:03:53 PM #22:	If Finn and Rose hadn't have brought that codeslicer aboard, the First Order wouldn't have known about the Resistance running to the planet. So yes, people died because of them. --- I used the knife. I saved a child. I won a war. God forgive me. <cite>Wedge Antilles posted [p:892953388] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote>If Finn and Rose hadn't have brought that codeslicer aboard, the First Order wouldn't have known about the Resistance running to the planet. So yes, people died because of them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fishy 12/27/17 2:05:32 PM #23:	Wedge Antilles posted... If Finn and Rose hadn't have brought that codeslicer aboard, the First Order wouldn't have known about the Resistance running to the planet. So yes, people died because of them. honestly they should be fucking executed. they went against the orders of a flag officer, collaborated with the enemy, and ended up getting the majority of the Resistance killed. if that's not grounds for court martial and execution i don't know what is. --- ~Dr. FishyStick\| Welcome Back. http://i.imgur.com/z50xS2H.jpg <cite>Fishy posted [p:892953484] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wedge Antilles posted...</cite> <quote>If Finn and Rose hadn't have brought that codeslicer aboard, the First Order wouldn't have known about the Resistance running to the planet. So yes, people died because of them.</quote> honestly they should be fucking executed. they went against the orders of a flag officer, collaborated with the enemy, and ended up getting the majority of the Resistance killed. if that's not grounds for court martial and execution i don't know what is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 12/27/17 2:05:58 PM #24:	Wedge Antilles posted... If Finn and Rose hadn't have brought that codeslicer aboard, the First Order wouldn't have known about the Resistance running to the planet. So yes, people died because of them. why do so many people think these transports were invisible to the FO? were we explicitly told that the transports were small enough to evade the FO scanners / radar, or something along those lines? isn't it likely that the FO would have explored the closest possible planet after destroying the main ship once it exhausted fuel? --- Playing: Hyper Light Drifter (PC), Cuphead (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:892953511] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wedge Antilles posted...</cite> <quote>If Finn and Rose hadn't have brought that codeslicer aboard, the First Order wouldn't have known about the Resistance running to the planet. So yes, people died because of them.</quote> why do so many people think these transports were invisible to the FO? were we explicitly told that the transports were small enough to evade the FO scanners / radar, or something along those lines? isn't it likely that the FO would have explored the closest possible planet after destroying the main ship once it exhausted fuel?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThanksUglyGod 12/27/17 2:07:15 PM #25:	Finn started off a deserter. He deserts the First Order because they're evil. He deserts the Resistance because they stand no chance against the FO. He only cares about himself and Rey, even at the end of The Force Awakens. It's because of Rose and Canto Bight that he figures out what the Resistance is fighting for and fully embraces himself as a Resistance soldier, even going so far as to sacrifice himself (foolhardily) for the cause. <cite>ThanksUglyGod posted [p:892953588] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote>Finn started off a deserter. He deserts the First Order because they're evil. He deserts the Resistance because they stand no chance against the FO. He only cares about himself and Rey, even at the end of The Force Awakens. It's because of Rose and Canto Bight that he figures out what the Resistance is fighting for and fully embraces himself as a Resistance soldier, even going so far as to sacrifice himself (foolhardily) for the cause.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheDarkCircle 12/27/17 2:11:04 PM #26:	Giant_Aspirin posted... Wedge Antilles posted... If Finn and Rose hadn't have brought that codeslicer aboard, the First Order wouldn't have known about the Resistance running to the planet. So yes, people died because of them. why do so many people think these transports were invisible to the FO? were we explicitly told that the transports were small enough to evade the FO scanners / radar, or something along those lines? yes. they say it in the movie <cite>TheDarkCircle posted [p:892953791] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Wedge Antilles posted...</cite> <quote>If Finn and Rose hadn't have brought that codeslicer aboard, the First Order wouldn't have known about the Resistance running to the planet. So yes, people died because of them.</quote> why do so many people think these transports were invisible to the FO? were we explicitly told that the transports were small enough to evade the FO scanners / radar, or something along those lines? </quote> yes. they say it in the movie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wedge Antilles 12/27/17 2:11:25 PM #27:	Giant_Aspirin posted... Wedge Antilles posted... If Finn and Rose hadn't have brought that codeslicer aboard, the First Order wouldn't have known about the Resistance running to the planet. So yes, people died because of them. why do so many people think these transports were invisible to the FO? were we explicitly told that the transports were small enough to evade the FO scanners / radar, or something along those lines? isn't it likely that the FO would have explored the closest possible planet after destroying the main ship once it exhausted fuel? Why would they? If they don't know about the escaping ships, they'll assume they got them all. The Empire and First Order are usually known for arrogance. Though one could assume Kylo not sensing Leia's death through the Force would raise questions. --- I used the knife. I saved a child. I won a war. God forgive me. <cite>Wedge Antilles posted [p:892953809] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Wedge Antilles posted...</cite> <quote>If Finn and Rose hadn't have brought that codeslicer aboard, the First Order wouldn't have known about the Resistance running to the planet. So yes, people died because of them.</quote> why do so many people think these transports were invisible to the FO? were we explicitly told that the transports were small enough to evade the FO scanners / radar, or something along those lines? isn't it likely that the FO would have explored the closest possible planet after destroying the main ship once it exhausted fuel?</quote> Why would they? If they don't know about the escaping ships, they'll assume they got them all. The Empire and First Order are usually known for arrogance. Though one could assume Kylo not sensing Leia's death through the Force would raise questions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fin_Dawg_004 12/27/17 2:13:17 PM #28:	i agree. I enjoyed the rest of the movie a lot but disliked that whole side story. They could have cut 12 - 15 minutes from that and the movie would have been better for it --- Dallas Cowboys : 6 - 6 Dallas Mavs : Dirk Nowitzki: 30, 527 points (6th all time) 892 from Wilt <cite>Fin_Dawg_004 posted [p:892953907] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote>i agree. I enjoyed the rest of the movie a lot but disliked that whole side story. They could have cut 12 - 15 minutes from that and the movie would have been better for it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sylverlolol 12/27/17 2:13:42 PM #29:	The Admiral posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... the entire plot involving Finn had no point. Finn as a character has no point. If I were to ask you to list three adjectives to describe him based on TLJ, could you even do it? He literally could have been replaced by anyone. Just tell us the real reason you don't like Finn, Addy. No need to be coy about it. --- This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. <cite>sylverlolol posted [p:892953932] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>the entire plot involving Finn had no point.</quote> Finn as a character has no point. If I were to ask you to list three adjectives to describe him based on TLJ, could you even do it? He literally could have been replaced by anyone.</quote> Just tell us the real reason you don't like Finn, Addy. No need to be coy about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheDarkCircle 12/27/17 2:14:16 PM #30:	Wedge Antilles posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Wedge Antilles posted... If Finn and Rose hadn't have brought that codeslicer aboard, the First Order wouldn't have known about the Resistance running to the planet. So yes, people died because of them. why do so many people think these transports were invisible to the FO? were we explicitly told that the transports were small enough to evade the FO scanners / radar, or something along those lines? isn't it likely that the FO would have explored the closest possible planet after destroying the main ship once it exhausted fuel? Why would they? If they don't know about the escaping ships, they'll assume they got them all. The Empire and First Order are usually known for arrogance. Though one could assume Kylo not sensing Leia's death through the Force would raise questions. This. Part of the reason the Vice Admiral stays behind is so they can detect a captain on board and make the FO think the entire ship's passengers. Like when the medical frigate is blown up earlier in the movie. She only turns the ship on the the star destroyers after she realizes the plan has been found out by the FO. <cite>TheDarkCircle posted [p:892953962] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wedge Antilles posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Wedge Antilles posted...</cite> <quote>If Finn and Rose hadn't have brought that codeslicer aboard, the First Order wouldn't have known about the Resistance running to the planet. So yes, people died because of them.</quote> why do so many people think these transports were invisible to the FO? were we explicitly told that the transports were small enough to evade the FO scanners / radar, or something along those lines? isn't it likely that the FO would have explored the closest possible planet after destroying the main ship once it exhausted fuel?</quote> Why would they? If they don't know about the escaping ships, they'll assume they got them all. The Empire and First Order are usually known for arrogance. Though one could assume Kylo not sensing Leia's death through the Force would raise questions.</quote> This. Part of the reason the Vice Admiral stays behind is so they can detect a captain on board and make the FO think the entire ship's passengers. Like when the medical frigate is blown up earlier in the movie. She only turns the ship on the the star destroyers after she realizes the plan has been found out by the FO.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 12/27/17 2:15:17 PM #31:	TheDarkCircle posted... Part of the reason the Vice Admiral stays behind is so they can detect a captain on board i thought she only stayed around because "someone had to pilot the ship" ? are you saying the FO has some ability to scan the ship and identify the ranks of those on board, or something? Wedge Antilles posted... If they don't know about the escaping ships, yeah, if they don't know. why wouldn't the FO scanners or radar (that are advanced enough to track ships through hyperspace) be able to detect the additional ships flying around right near them? --- Playing: Hyper Light Drifter (PC), Cuphead (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:892954017] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheDarkCircle posted...</cite> <quote>Part of the reason the Vice Admiral stays behind is so they can detect a captain on board</quote> i thought she only stayed around because "someone had to pilot the ship" ? are you saying the FO has some ability to scan the ship and identify the ranks of those on board, or something? <cite>Wedge Antilles posted...</cite> <quote>If they don't know about the escaping ships,</quote> yeah, if they don't know. why wouldn't the FO scanners or radar (that are advanced enough to track ships through hyperspace) be able to detect the additional ships flying around right near them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 12/27/17 2:16:32 PM #32:	SSJGrimReaper posted... btw even the Phasma fight was lame and only like 15 seconds long Yeah, and the gravitas with which they sold it was completely undeserved. It plays like we're totally in that headspace with them, when I can think about is how Finn and Rose miraculously survive the lightspeed ram when seemingly everyone else in the hangar is dead, oh and how the fuck is Phasma and her crew marching towards our heroes when just a moment prior they were literally standing over Finn and Rose about to execute them with a contrived battle axe thing. I actually hate everything about this execution scene. It feels so drawn out, like it's telegraphing for five minutes, "this is a Bond monologue, feel free to get up and use the restroom," only for it to be followed by the most breathtaking film moment of 2017. Phasma and Hux look like total idiots here, so busy twirling their villainous mustaches, they forgot to maintain the plot's tension. --- Whatever happened to standards? Whatever happened to bare minimums? 15 Transwomen of color have been murdered since 1/1/2017 <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:892954071] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJGrimReaper posted...</cite> <quote>btw even the Phasma fight was lame and only like 15 seconds long</quote> Yeah, and the gravitas with which they sold it was completely undeserved. It plays like we're totally in that headspace with them, when I can think about is how Finn and Rose miraculously survive the lightspeed ram when seemingly everyone else in the hangar is dead, oh and how the fuck is Phasma and her crew marching towards our heroes when just a moment prior they were literally standing over Finn and Rose about to execute them with a contrived battle axe thing. I actually hate everything about this execution scene. It feels so drawn out, like it's telegraphing for five minutes, "this is a Bond monologue, feel free to get up and use the restroom," only for it to be followed by the most breathtaking film moment of 2017. Phasma and Hux look like total idiots here, so busy twirling their villainous mustaches, they forgot to maintain the plot's tension.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoopPotato 12/27/17 2:16:42 PM #33:	The resistance is going to need to know exactly where to hit the latest super weapon introduced in 9. Thankfully, Finn was a janitor with the FO and knows that every capital ship is weak in the supply closet. --- http://i.minus.com/i5EWBMXTN4ERv.gif <cite>PoopPotato posted [p:892954077] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote>The resistance is going to need to know exactly where to hit the latest super weapon introduced in 9. Thankfully, Finn was a janitor with the FO and knows that every capital ship is weak in the supply closet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheDarkCircle 12/27/17 2:16:45 PM #34:	Giant_Aspirin posted... TheDarkCircle posted... Part of the reason the Vice Admiral stays behind is so they can detect a captain on board i thought she only stayed around because "someone had to pilot the ship" ? So they can detect someone on board............ Why the fuck else would it matter? Piloting a ship to be blown up? Or why not have a droid pilot it? It's a ruse.. <cite>TheDarkCircle posted [p:892954081] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheDarkCircle posted...</cite> <quote>Part of the reason the Vice Admiral stays behind is so they can detect a captain on board</quote> i thought she only stayed around because "someone had to pilot the ship" ?</quote> So they can detect someone on board............ Why the fuck else would it matter? Piloting a ship to be blown up? Or why not have a droid pilot it? It's a ruse..</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 12/27/17 2:17:32 PM #35:	She stayed on the ship because it added drama to the movie. If that a real situation, they'd have just had a droid do it. Moronic to sacrifice the leader of your fleet when a disposable robot would have sufficed. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:892954120] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote>She stayed on the ship because it added drama to the movie. If that a real situation, they'd have just had a droid do it. Moronic to sacrifice the leader of your fleet when a disposable robot would have sufficed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 12/27/17 2:17:45 PM #36:	TheDarkCircle posted... So they can detect someone on board............ if the FO can scan ships and detect someone is on board, couldn't they also detect only one person is on board? which would be a dead giveaway that everyone else escaped somehow, right? --- Playing: Hyper Light Drifter (PC), Cuphead (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:892954133] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheDarkCircle posted...</cite> <quote>So they can detect someone on board............</quote> if the FO can scan ships and detect someone is on board, couldn't they also detect only one person is on board? which would be a dead giveaway that everyone else escaped somehow, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheDarkCircle 12/27/17 2:18:44 PM #37:	Giant_Aspirin posted... TheDarkCircle posted... So they can detect someone on board............ if the FO can scan ships and detect someone is on board, couldn't they also detect only one person is on board? I'm not saying it's good writing, I'm just saying how the movie explains it. On second viewing all that shit is in there in the dialogue <cite>TheDarkCircle posted [p:892954179] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheDarkCircle posted...</cite> <quote>So they can detect someone on board............</quote> if the FO can scan ships and detect someone is on board, couldn't they also detect only one person is on board?</quote> I'm not saying it's good writing, I'm just saying how the movie explains it. On second viewing all that shit is in there in the dialogue</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 12/27/17 2:21:30 PM #39:	Sparksfanboy posted... The Admiral posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... the entire plot involving Finn had no point. Finn as a character has no point. If I were to ask you to list three adjectives to describe him based on TLJ, could you even do it? He literally could have been replaced by anyone. You not liking the black character. I haven't been this shocked since Palpatine raikou You crying about race out of nowhere just for attention. Why am I equally not surprised. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:892954314] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sparksfanboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>the entire plot involving Finn had no point.</quote> Finn as a character has no point. If I were to ask you to list three adjectives to describe him based on TLJ, could you even do it? He literally could have been replaced by anyone.</quote> You not liking the black character. I haven't been this shocked since Palpatine raikou</quote> You crying about race out of nowhere just for attention. Why am I equally not surprised.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJGrimReaper 12/27/17 2:22:38 PM #40:	Admiral's favorite character is Hux --- Big Apple, 3 A.M. http://i.imgur.com/CqukfNH.jpg http://i.imgur.com/JgG0NO0.jpg <cite>SSJGrimReaper posted [p:892954377] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote>Admiral's favorite character is Hux</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 12/27/17 3:08:44 PM #41:	Giant_Aspirin posted... why wouldn't the FO scanners or radar (that are advanced enough to track ships through hyperspace) be able to detect the additional ships flying around right near them? i was talking to a co-worker and he said there's a line in the movie that explains the smaller ships are able to cloak themselves. fair enough, that means the FO wouldn't have noticed the other ships without the knowledge from the code breaker that was given to them via Finn. still, i think that's an awful lot of screen time to devote to such a small plot point. don't get me wrong, i still really enjoyed the film. but it's my duty to nitpick the ever loving shit out of these movies. --- Playing: Hyper Light Drifter (PC), Cuphead (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:892956952] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote> why wouldn't the FO scanners or radar (that are advanced enough to track ships through hyperspace) be able to detect the additional ships flying around right near them?</quote> i was talking to a co-worker and he said there's a line in the movie that explains the smaller ships are able to cloak themselves. fair enough, that means the FO wouldn't have noticed the other ships without the knowledge from the code breaker that was given to them via Finn. still, i think that's an awful lot of screen time to devote to such a small plot point. don't get me wrong, i still really enjoyed the film. but it's my duty to nitpick the ever loving shit out of these movies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 12/27/17 3:12:48 PM #42:	Asherlee10 posted... While I do agree that there is no obvious plot points surrounding Finn's story or his character arc, I'm willing to bet that it will come alive in the next movie. Surely there will be moments from TLJ regarding Finn that will be relevant to Movie #9 I'm expecting Finn and Poe to be even more useless and Rose to be even more annoying and prominent the next movie. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:892957166] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>While I do agree that there is no obvious plot points surrounding Finn's story or his character arc, I'm willing to bet that it will come alive in the next movie. Surely there will be moments from TLJ regarding Finn that will be relevant to Movie #9</quote> I'm expecting Finn and Poe to be even more useless and Rose to be even more annoying and prominent the next movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJGrimReaper 12/27/17 3:15:19 PM #43:	They should've made Finn force sensitive --- Big Apple, 3 A.M. http://i.imgur.com/CqukfNH.jpg http://i.imgur.com/JgG0NO0.jpg <cite>SSJGrimReaper posted [p:892957307] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote>They should've made Finn force sensitive</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I Like Toast 12/27/17 3:26:15 PM #44:	Giant_Aspirin posted... i was talking to a co-worker and he said there's a line in the movie that explains the smaller ships are able to cloak themselves No I don't think they did , but they explicitly say that the fo won't be looking for smaller ships when poe wakes up and Leia explains it to him. She didn't stay so they could be "scanned" it was so she could pilot it further away from the planet buying enough time for them to get hunkered in, if not lucky enough for the fo to pass completely. The point of it seems to be giving Finn rose and pairing Rey with someone else and setting up the resistance rebuild and Rey rebuilding the jedi with showing force sensitive people are alive and Luke's story spreading through the galaxy. As well as their version of a catina scene. Yes, Finn could have done something more for his character, but the fact that the mission failed doesn't make it pointless. It adds to how hopeless the resistance is before Luke brings the spark. The Admiral posted... She stayed on the ship because it added drama to the movie. If that a real situation, they'd have just had a droid do it. Moronic to sacrifice the leader of your fleet when a disposable robot would have sufficed. The first sentence is ultimately true, but using the old eu, droids can't pilot the ships themselves. In the Thrawn trilogy ~~a plot point was finding a fleet of ships that had droids that reduced the personal requirements to like 1/8~~. And Leia was the leader and woke up by this point. --- If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all <cite>I Like Toast posted [p:892957924] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote> i was talking to a co-worker and he said there's a line in the movie that explains the smaller ships are able to cloak themselves</quote> No I don't think they did , but they explicitly say that the fo won't be looking for smaller ships when poe wakes up and Leia explains it to him. She didn't stay so they could be "scanned" it was so she could pilot it further away from the planet buying enough time for them to get hunkered in, if not lucky enough for the fo to pass completely. The point of it seems to be giving Finn rose and pairing Rey with someone else and setting up the resistance rebuild and Rey rebuilding the jedi with showing force sensitive people are alive and Luke's story spreading through the galaxy. As well as their version of a catina scene. Yes, Finn could have done something more for his character, but the fact that the mission failed doesn't make it pointless. It adds to how hopeless the resistance is before Luke brings the spark. <cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>She stayed on the ship because it added drama to the movie. If that a real situation, they'd have just had a droid do it. Moronic to sacrifice the leader of your fleet when a disposable robot would have sufficed.</quote> The first sentence is ultimately true, but using the old eu, droids can't pilot the ships themselves. In the Thrawn trilogy a plot point was finding a fleet of ships that had droids that reduced the personal requirements to like 1/8. And Leia was the leader and woke up by this point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fishy 12/27/17 7:38:16 PM #45:	I Like Toast posted... The first sentence is ultimately true, but using the old eu, droids can't pilot the ships themselves. In the Thrawn trilogy What about the entire Separatist fleet? --- ~Dr. FishyStick\| Welcome Back. http://i.imgur.com/z50xS2H.jpg <cite>Fishy posted [p:892971473] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>I Like Toast posted...</cite> <quote> The first sentence is ultimately true, but using the old eu, droids can't pilot the ships themselves. In the Thrawn trilogy </quote> What about the entire Separatist fleet?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I Like Toast 12/27/17 7:49:38 PM #46:	Fishy posted... I Like Toast posted... The first sentence is ultimately true, but using the old eu, droids can't pilot the ships themselves. In the Thrawn trilogy What about the entire Separatist fleet? Still had people in the bridge and throughout the ships --- If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all <cite>I Like Toast posted [p:892972022] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fishy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>I Like Toast posted...</cite> <quote> The first sentence is ultimately true, but using the old eu, droids can't pilot the ships themselves. In the Thrawn trilogy </quote> What about the entire Separatist fleet?</quote> Still had people in the bridge and throughout the ships</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrToothHasYou 12/27/17 8:10:01 PM #47:	Giant_Aspirin posted... the entire plot involving Finn had no point. it doesn't change anything with respect to the main plot and it doesn't evolve or change the characters in any meaningful way. Everything you just said was wrong. --- http://weareontherun.bandcamp.com ^^^^^ HEY! ^^^ LISTEN! ^^^^^ <cite>MrToothHasYou posted [p:892973082] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>the entire plot involving Finn had no point. it doesn't change anything with respect to the main plot and it doesn't evolve or change the characters in any meaningful way.</quote> Everything you just said was wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
stoltenberg11 12/27/17 8:22:06 PM #48:	hollow_shrine posted... The Admiral posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... the entire plot involving Finn had no point. Finn as a character has no point. If I were to ask you to list three adjectives to describe him based on TLJ, could you even do it? He literally could have been replaced by anyone. He's the first human stormtrooper. Which is to say, he is the first stormtropper we've seen who goes on to reveal his humanity. His background heavily implies that he's a child soldier and that apparently all of the storm troopers are undergoing conditioning now to force compliance. Finn has no memory of his parents, implication: the First Order is raiding worlds to staff their military machine. Finn does a great deal to grow the world and the lore of the franchise. In theory, Finn actually has a lot potential here. There are several opportunities for the films to use some of this set up; they just don't. How does Finn reconcile his current actions with the fact that he's killing his former brothers and arms, and the only other relationships he's ever had? Does Finn appreciate the moral quandaries that come with killing brainwashed child soldiers vs, letting the First Order continue it's galactic conquest? You'd think he'd feel for the child slaves on Canto Bight given his own history wouldn't you? Does he have an impression of the future beyond the immediate week or so? What actually is the nature of his relation with Rey or Finn? Sure, some of these are too heavy for the silver screen, yes. But the character has depths that need to be explored, or else the script flounders looking for something to do with him. This is exactly my entire problem with Finn. He has so much potential to have such a great and interesting backstory that contributes a lot to his actions, which could have huge impacts on the entire rest of the galaxy. Instead he's just a one-liner machine so far. Probably the most egregious case of Disney Disneying up a character in the new Star Wars stuff. --- You're such a boring characterless entity. Try getting laid once in a while and maybe you'll have friends and find out what a "joke" is. - derrate <cite>stoltenberg11 posted [p:892973705] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>the entire plot involving Finn had no point.</quote> Finn as a character has no point. If I were to ask you to list three adjectives to describe him based on TLJ, could you even do it? He literally could have been replaced by anyone.</quote> He's the first human stormtrooper. Which is to say, he is the first stormtropper we've seen who goes on to reveal his humanity. His background heavily implies that he's a child soldier and that apparently all of the storm troopers are undergoing conditioning now to force compliance. Finn has no memory of his parents, implication: the First Order is raiding worlds to staff their military machine. Finn does a great deal to grow the world and the lore of the franchise. In theory, Finn actually has a lot potential here. There are several opportunities for the films to use some of this set up; they just don't. How does Finn reconcile his current actions with the fact that he's killing his former brothers and arms, and the only other relationships he's ever had? Does Finn appreciate the moral quandaries that come with killing brainwashed child soldiers vs, letting the First Order continue it's galactic conquest? You'd think he'd feel for the child slaves on Canto Bight given his own history wouldn't you? Does he have an impression of the future beyond the immediate week or so? What actually is the nature of his relation with Rey or Finn? Sure, some of these are too heavy for the silver screen, yes. But the character has depths that need to be explored, or else the script flounders looking for something to do with him.</quote> This is exactly my entire problem with Finn. He has so much potential to have such a great and interesting backstory that contributes a lot to his actions, which could have huge impacts on the entire rest of the galaxy. Instead he's just a one-liner machine so far. Probably the most egregious case of Disney Disneying up a character in the new Star Wars stuff.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xelltrix 12/27/17 8:28:40 PM #49:	I agree with that and I also think the entire conflict being caused by a lack of communication by the leaders was stupid. I guess I just really didn't like the conflict the plot revolved around. Also no Rose, you're not allowed to Kiss Finn. >:\| --- Reading this post may induce one or more of the following: Nausea / Butt-Hurt / Lulz / UM? Syndrome / Angst / Diarrhea <cite>Xelltrix posted [p:892974072] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote>I agree with that and I also think the entire conflict being caused by a lack of communication by the leaders was stupid. I guess I just really didn't like the conflict the plot revolved around. Also no Rose, you're not allowed to Kiss Finn. >:\|</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 12/27/17 8:30:20 PM #50:	stoltenberg11 posted... This is exactly my entire problem with Finn. He has so much potential to have such a great and interesting backstory that contributes a lot to his actions, which could have huge impacts on the entire rest of the galaxy. Instead he's just a one-liner machine so far. Probably the most egregious case of Disney Disneying up a character in the new Star Wars stuff. Same. I really liked Finn in TFA. Thought he was terrible in TLJ. That said, I hated almost everyone in TLJ more than in TFA, especially Poe and Hux. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:892974174] in My only gr... [t:76141424]...</cite> <quote><cite>stoltenberg11 posted...</cite> <quote>This is exactly my entire problem with Finn. He has so much potential to have such a great and interesting backstory that contributes a lot to his actions, which could have huge impacts on the entire rest of the galaxy. Instead he's just a one-liner machine so far. Probably the most egregious case of Disney Disneying up a character in the new Star Wars stuff.</quote> Same. I really liked Finn in TFA. Thought he was terrible in TLJ. That said, I hated almost everyone in TLJ more than in TFA, especially Poe and Hux.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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