Board 8 > Getting a super Miyazaki vibe from Breath of the Wild

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Art, music and even the focus on nature are all hitting me with that Miyazaki feel and I love it. Anyone else feel the same?
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Haven't played it yet but literally everything I hear about it reaffirms the idea that I should.
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I've watched a miyazaki movie before so no
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foolm0r0n posted...

I've watched a miyazaki movie before so no

Must not have watched the right one then.
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Which one has super sparse landscapes and blurry textures and 3 clashing art styles?
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foolm0r0n posted...

Which one has super sparse landscapes and blurry textures and 3 clashing art styles?

Die Hard
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Curious what 3 clashing art styles means
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bng_mmmk posted...

Curious what 3 clashing art styles means

It means someone's being a snob again.
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WARNING SNOB CONTENT IN THIS POST, PLEASE IGNORE IF YOU HATE SERIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT VIDEO GAMES WARNING

bng_mmmk posted...

Curious what 3 clashing art styles means

The environments/buildings are very painterly, the characters and some random objects are cel shaded, and some animals (bear, etc) have this hyper cel shading that only uses like 3 colors. There's a place at the lake stable that has all 3 in one place if you want to compare (the lamp casts a baked-in painted light onto the stable counter, but casts a cel shaded dynamic light on the NPC, and the horses nearby have the hyper shading).
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So where's the "clashing" part?
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That they all look out of place next to each other

If you don't care, fine, but it's literally the opposite of Miyazaki
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foolm0r0n posted...

That they all look out of place next to each other

Not really, they actually complement each other really well.

foolm0r0n posted...

but it's literally the opposite of Miyazaki

So in other words, you missed the point.
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I wish I could see the game from your elite perspective
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foolm0r0n posted...

I wish I could see the game from your elite perspective

The first step to solving a problem is admitting you have one.
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I definitely got a ton of Ghibli vibes during the game. Just the first things that immediately come to mind are:

* Lord of the mountain = forest spirit in Princess Mononoke
* The koroks and blupees remind me of critters you might see in a Ghibli movie, like the tiny forest spirits in Princess Mononoke, or the soot gremlins in Totoro and Spirited Away
* The atmosphere of the world has a certain reverence for nature and the wind, reminding me of Mononoke, Totoro, Nausicaa
*Steam-punky giant tank machines and flying machines, juxtaposed with a very empty natural world with little technology, reminds me of Nausicaa, and Castle in the Sky
* I'd be extremely surprised if Joe Hisaishi's Ghibli compositions were not a big inspiration for the music in this game:

- One Summer's Day from Sprited Away sounds identical to the various atmospheric piano music you hear throughout hyrule

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpXnIXP6j78

- The first 30 seconds of the main theme reminds me of the first 30 seconds of a ton of Ghibli songs, for example Path of the Wind, from Totoro, although that's much simpler of a song https://youtu.be/FQx4cEwKD5E?t=29 (main theme here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDHw7EarfOk&list=PLFwObPlg7Y1pnZVEKHOE6QW66XZacCFxY&index=1)
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^This guy gets it
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I don't think Breath of the Wild is even the first time a Zelda game has had Miyazaki-inspired elements in it - which isn't really a surprise given that he is a major cultural influence, it would be sort of like saying you're getting a Disney vibe from something

Paratroopa1 posted...

I don't think Breath of the Wild is even the first time a Zelda game has had Miyazaki-inspired elements in it - which isn't really a surprise given that he is a major cultural influence, it would be sort of like saying you're getting a Disney vibe from something

But apparently foolmo disagrees because he's seen a Miyazaki movie before, implying that anyone who disagrees with him hasn't.
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I should have clarified that I was talking about the visuals. If you think BOTW looks like a Miyazaki movie then you definitely haven't seen one. Thematically the vibe is there and has always been in Zelda as para explained. I guess it makes me a snob to think visuals are an important part of animated movies and video games.
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For what it's worth I don't think it looks like a Miyazaki film either

foolm0r0n posted...

If you think BOTW looks like a Miyazaki movie then you definitely haven't seen one.

I've seen several. And I think it does.
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We already established you have a more finely tuned and refined visual palette than I do
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this topic is weirder than me
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foolm0r0n posted...

WARNING SNOB CONTENT IN THIS POST, PLEASE IGNORE IF YOU HATE SERIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT VIDEO GAMES WARNING

bng_mmmk posted...

Curious what 3 clashing art styles means

The environments/buildings are very painterly, the characters and some random objects are cel shaded, and some animals (bear, etc) have this hyper cel shading that only uses like 3 colors. There's a place at the lake stable that has all 3 in one place if you want to compare (the lamp casts a baked-in painted light onto the stable counter, but casts a cel shaded dynamic light on the NPC, and the horses nearby have the hyper shading).

But that's the point. It's trying to look an anime where you have detailed backgrounds with less detailed characters.
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foolm0r0n posted...

We already established you have a more finely tuned and refined visual palette than I do

Well hey, you said it, not me.

But it's not about having a more finely tuned or refined visual palette.

It's learning to take the brown-tinted glasses off and stop looking at everything like it's shit.
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Grand Kirby posted...

But that's the point. It's trying to look an anime where you have detailed backgrounds with less detailed characters.

But the backgrounds aren't detailed and the characters are (and the animals are much less detailed but in the style of the characters). I get what they were going for but they missed the mark. The closest thing they got to a Miyazaki movie was the framerate!
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I dunno, look at this screenshot I took from my switch, it looks exactly like a ghibli movie https://files.tofugu.com/articles/japan/2011-11-22-studio-ghibli/mononoke.jpg
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BowserCuffs posted...

It's learning to take the brown-tinted glasses off and stop looking at everything like it's shit.

I've enjoyed hundreds if not thousands of games, and almost never complain about the graphics of any game. But apparently if I don't 10/10 LOVEEEE this game's graphics I just don't know how to enjoy things.

Reminds me of how I have played every Zelda multiple times over almost two decades, deeply loved almost every single one of them, but because I don't like BOTW I'm "not a Zelda fan" compared to the dude who only played 30 minutes of OoT at his friend's house in 3rd grade but he after 2 hours of BOTW he thinks it's 10/10 best game ever so he's a true fan.
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Oops I got it confused with this screenshot https://twitter.com/Epyo_zzz/status/838628934405124096
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I'm glad foolmo is finally deciding to get the help he's been needing for years
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I've never seen a Miyazaki film, where's the best place to start?

Epyo posted...

Oops I got it confused with this screenshot https://twitter.com/Epyo_zzz/status/838628934405124096

That's a good example of how ugly the animals are, and the super low detail background.

The grass is great in this game though (but nothing like Miyazaki). I wish they made the whole thing look like that and the characters.
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Seginustemple posted...

I've never seen a Miyazaki film, where's the best place to start?

Majora's Mask imo
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foolm0r0n posted...

BowserCuffs posted...

It's learning to take the brown-tinted glasses off and stop looking at everything like it's shit.

I've enjoyed hundreds if not thousands of games, and almost never complain about the graphics of any game. But apparently if I don't 10/10 LOVEEEE this game's graphics I just don't know how to enjoy things.

Reminds me of how I have played every Zelda multiple times over almost two decades, deeply loved almost every single one of them, but because I don't like BOTW I'm "not a Zelda fan" compared to the dude who only played 30 minutes of OoT at his friend's house in 3rd grade but he after 2 hours of BOTW he thinks it's 10/10 best game ever so he's a true fan.

Honestly sounds like you're more concerned about who's a true fan of what than anyone else here.

Anyways, yeah, it sounds like for this game, you've got brown-tinted glasses on. Sucks to be you, bro.
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Oh okay it's just THIS game that I want to hate now. I paid $60 for the game on day 1 and played 16 hours over the next 3 days because I just reallyyyy wanted to hate it.
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Majora's Mask is such a drag though. If I wanted to race against time I'd play a fucking racing game

Well, I mean, let's look at it this way.

If the vast majority of people who have played the game enjoy it and see it one way.

And you're one of the outliers who sees it negatively...

Then chances are that it has more to do with you than with the game itself.
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you know what was an amazing game?

Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain
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I don't think it's a 10/10 game either clearly my brain is bad.
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Did you know that you can think a game isn't 10/10 without feeling the need to be excessively negative about it and insulting anyone who likes the game more than you do?

Because if you think my issue with foolmo is that he didn't like the game, but rather, his excessive negativity and lashing out at people who disagree with him, you haven't been paying attention.
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I'm waiting for foolmo to actually do those things.
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TheRock1525 posted...

I'm waiting for foolmo to actually do those things.

Try reading the topic, then, starting from his first post.
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BowserCuffs posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

I'm waiting for foolmo to actually do those things.

Try reading the topic, then, starting from his first post.

Missed the part where that was A) that's an insult to anyone or B) being excessively negative.
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TheRock1525 posted...

BowserCuffs posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

I'm waiting for foolmo to actually do those things.

Try reading the topic, then, starting from his first post.

Missed the part where that was A) that's an insult to anyone or B) being excessively negative.

Generally speaking, his nitpick about the graphic style of the game being "clashing" is very much in the eye of the beholder, and yet it was stated with the assumption that it was an obvious flaw.

And his response to disagreement about the quality is basically to get sarcastic, as if I was somehow asserting that my viewpoint was superior to his just by disagreeing and stating my opinion in return.

(I mean, true, I did call him a snob first, so I'll give him that. No defending it at this point.)

I dunno what it is about critics these days, but you can't disagree with them anymore. They tend to accuse you of hyperbole such as "Oh, so only opinions that agree with yours are okay." I mean, hell, even you're getting in on that.

My point being is that holding a negative opinion and being an outlier about it doesn't mean you have a better viewpoint than everyone else. And behaving like you do is, in fact, insulting to everyone around you. Sometimes, holding the minority opinion simply means you hold the minority opinion.

And you know what? That's okay. You don't like the art style of the game. That's great! Art is subjective. Acting like your opinion is more informed just because it's negative is, on the other hand, not okay.
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I don't think he thinks his opinion is more informed because it's negative.

I think he thinks his opinion is more informed because he's literally a game designer who has put massive amounts of time and effort into it studying and understanding it, and therefore puts great value in his views.

But that's probably just crazy talk. He probably just thinks he's right because so many other people think he's wrong.
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Foolmo has been excessively negative since launch, but a lot of what he says makes for good arguments that everyone who enjoys the game brushes off as trolling. So when nobody challenges him seriously for his criticisms, the negativity is pretty understandable.

BotW is a 7/10 game btw, imo. Once the magic wears off, it's flaws become increasingly apparent and irritating.
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BotW is my favorite 3D "standard" Zelda which puts it as a solid 7.5-8/10 for me, too.

Hyrule Warriors still the best Zelda game imo.
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TheRock1525 posted...

I don't think he thinks his opinion is more informed because it's negative.

I think he thinks his opinion is more informed because he's literally a game designer who has put massive amounts of time and effort into it studying and understanding it, and therefore puts great value in his views.

But that's probably just crazy talk. He probably just thinks he's right because so many other people think he's wrong.

Well, good for him, I'm glad he's pursuing a career that he enjoys.

That being said, it'll take more than that to earn my respect and if he continues to behave like he's entitled to it, he's never going to earn it from me.
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I'm sure he's broken up over not earning someone's respect on a forum dedicated to video game character contests.
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TheRock1525 posted...

I'm sure he's broken up over not earning someone's respect on a forum dedicated to video game character contests.

Oh no, I'm sure with wonderful champions like you here to defend him, he won't have to ever face the consequences of his attitude.

tazzyboyishere posted...

Foolmo has been excessively negative since launch, but a lot of what he says makes for good arguments that everyone who enjoys the game brushes off as trolling. So when nobody challenges him seriously for his criticisms, the negativity is pretty understandable.

I don't think he's trolling. I just find his criticisms to be ridiculously nitpicky and presented with too much of an air of haughtiness. And he can't even handle disagreement without getting sarcastic.

I'd almost prefer him to be trolling, to be honest.
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