Poll of the Day > do you think transgender people should be a bigger focus in media?

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this is an interesting debate because on one side people are saying the world's changing and transgenders are all around us like it or not and we should make more recognizable in movies television shows video games and the like

the other side though disagrees and believes transgenders are so few and far between that putting a big focus on them in anything would come off as a cheap cash grab and one that won't be so successful due to most people barely knowing what transgenders are and more likely than not they will never meet a transgender person in their area
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I'm okay with it as long as it doesn't seem forced, but I will call every instance forced.

Smarkil posted...

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So nostalgic!
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I have literally never seen a transgender person in real life. I'm not even joking.

Unless I just didn't know they were one.

fettster777 posted...

I have literally never seen a transgender person in real life. I'm not even joking.

Unless I just didn't know they were one.

neither have i....
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I've seen two, and I saw pics of one of my childhood friends who now identifies as a girl. His name was kadin and now goes by Katie. He had boobies and all.

I used to spend the night at his house and we chilled all the time. I literally never would have guessed thats what was going on in his brain.

No. The media should focus on people being ok with who they are WITHOUT feeling they 'must' have potentially life-threatening cosmetic surgery just to be 'themselves.'

Telling guys it's ok to be 'girly?' Yes.
Telling girls it's ok to be 'manly?' Yes.
Telling people it's ok to invade the other gender's bathroom / changing room / whatever, get offended when people don't properly refer to them as it / xe / alien furry crossgender they, and insist the only way to be who they were meant to be is to get surgery? NO.

I'm so tired of people insisting girls have to wear dresses or have kids or people telling guys they can't cry or just be friends with women. But I'm equally as tired of the last group.
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fireflydrake posted...

No. The media should focus on people being ok with who they are WITHOUT feeling they 'must' have potentially life-threatening cosmetic surgery just to be 'themselves.'

Telling guys it's ok to be 'girly?' Yes.
Telling girls it's ok to be 'manly?' Yes.
Telling people it's ok to invade the other gender's bathroom / changing room / whatever, get offended when people don't properly refer to them as it / xe / alien furry crossgender they, and insist the only way to be who they were meant to be is to get surgery? NO.

I'm so tired of people insisting girls have to wear dresses or have kids or people telling guys they can't cry or just be friends with women. But I'm equally as tired of the last group.

Yeah you should be who I want you to be not who you want to be

fireflydrake posted...

No. The media should focus on people being ok with who they are WITHOUT feeling they 'must' have potentially life-threatening cosmetic surgery just to be 'themselves.'

Telling guys it's ok to be 'girly?' Yes.
Telling girls it's ok to be 'manly?' Yes.
Telling people it's ok to invade the other gender's bathroom / changing room / whatever, get offended when people don't properly refer to them as it / xe / alien furry crossgender they, and insist the only way to be who they were meant to be is to get surgery? NO.

I'm so tired of people insisting girls have to wear dresses or have kids or people telling guys they can't cry or just be friends with women. But I'm equally as tired of the last group.

I tend to agree with this. Just quit pushing the idea that girls have to be super effeminate and guys have to be super macho all the time

No...this is coming from someone who actually dated a 'transgendered' person before.

Just like being G/L, the more you make a big deal about being 'LGBT', the more you bring attention (whether good or bad) to the subject. If they go about their business, and stop playing the victim card about everything, then maybe they will get a bit more respect in mainstream/social norms situations.

NightMareBunny posted...

this is an interesting debate because on one side people are saying the world's changing and transgenders are all around us like it or not and we should make more recognizable in movies television shows video games and the like

Except there really aren't and it's really not.

Sarcasthma posted...

Smarkil posted...

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So nostalgic!

This, tbh

fettster777 posted...

I have literally never seen a transgender person in real life. I'm not even joking.

Unless I just didn't know they were one.

I've either seen one or a really ugly man/woman. Actually, I've possible seen two. And this is despite having lived in 3-4 states, 2 countries, and visiting an additional 5 counties. Granted, one of the countries I visited was Mexico and they probably wouldn't take too kindly to them down there.
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Being transgender is a result from suffering from gender dysphoria. It's a mental disorder.

So, if the media focus is to CREATE AWARENESS towards the treatment of said disorder, then yes, they should have more media coverage.

This phenomenon is a disorder. Not a fad; not a craze. It's not fashion and it's not glamour. People who are suffering with this are SUFFERING with this.

Hence, it should not be trivialised or indulged.

It should be treated.
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Yeah you should be who I want you to be not who you want to be

I support gender equality.

Transgender arguments HURT equality.

If guy can do anything girl can do... and girl can do anything guy can do... then we should NOT be condoning people trying to get risky gender reassignment surgery, or humoring people who want to be called by weird pronouns. The two arguments are mutually incompatible. You can't say both sexes are equal and then support people who feel they can only be happy if they're seen as the opposite sex.
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NightMareBunny posted...

fettster777 posted...

I have literally never seen a transgender person in real life. I'm not even joking.

Unless I just didn't know they were one.

neither have i....

Yeah, but let's look at the laundry list of shit you haven't seen that an average person has simply because they leave their house.

NightMareBunny posted...

fettster777 posted...

I have literally never seen a transgender person in real life. I'm not even joking.

Unless I just didn't know they were one.

neither have i....

You don't even leave your house.
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they should have more exposure. all of these SJW classes should have more exposure.

that way the rest of the world can see how dangerously delusional these people are becoming.
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I think one of the main reasons they aren't featured more is that transgenderism doesn't have any real, useful, uninsulting stereotypes.
See, stereotypes are extremely useful in writing. They're a powerful way to quickly impart tons of information in a very short phrase. I can, right now, introduce a character to you, and have you totally understand everything they're about, in one word. Try it: "Princess".

Did you envision a prim, proper, frail girl who values honor, loves her people, but doesn't really understand the complexities of it all? Something close? Did you think "well yeah I knew what you meant, but you can do so much more with a character than that stereotype"? Pretty much.
(Note: Ideally, once a character is established like this, you then have them move against their stereotype so that the reader can understand how this one is different and interesting. But that's another post.)

There's no real transgender stereotype like that. I can't just say "transgender" and have you understand anything about them (except for possibly the "queer crossdressing predator" stereotype which... we should move away from...). And there's no other stereotype I can use that encompasses transgenderism either.

This means that, at present, it's super hard to casually include a transgender person in a story. They either don't get enough characterization and feel tacked on/inconsistent, or they get enough characterization and become the focus of the story. Or you do the worst thing, and just INFODUMP the poor reader to give your character full characterization without eating time. *shudder*

This will probably amend itself as society gets more used to transgenderism. It's only pretty recently that transgenderism even blipped on society's radar, after all. As they settle in and become more open, I predict that they'll develop some more useful stereotypes. Until then, though, the main time transgenders will show up in media is as the focus of a plot arc, or as a token. I think.
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Lightning Bolt posted...

Did you envision a prim, proper, frail girl who values honor, loves her people, but doesn't really understand the complexities of it all? Something close?

Actually the first thing that came to mind is lower class, white trash bitch who wears cheap sweatpants that say "Princess" on them and smokes while pregnant with her third child at the age of 19 with her boyfriend Chuck.
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Smarkil posted...

Lightning Bolt posted...

Did you envision a prim, proper, frail girl who values honor, loves her people, but doesn't really understand the complexities of it all? Something close?

Actually the first thing that came to mind is lower class, white trash bitch who wears cheap sweatpants that say "Princess" on them and smokes while pregnant.

I thought those said "PINK"?
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What was the figure? 1/3rd of 1% to 1% identify as transgender.

Might be an old figure, I don't know.

Smarkil posted...

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NightMareBunny posted...

should transgender be more mainstream

Yes. They need to have the same level of acceptance as anyone else

and focused upon in mainstream media?

You're confusing the issue-acceptance and promotion are not always the same thing. Society is already aware of them but doesn't need them shamelessly flogged to the public.

NightMareBunny posted...

this is an interesting debate

It really isn't.
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NightMareBunny posted...

fettster777 posted...

I have literally never seen a transgender person in real life. I'm not even joking.

Unless I just didn't know they were one.

neither have i....

You! Don't! Leave! Your! House!
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fireflydrake posted...

Yeah you should be who I want you to be not who you want to be

I support gender equality.

Transgender arguments HURT equality.

If guy can do anything girl can do... and girl can do anything guy can do... then we should NOT be condoning people trying to get risky gender reassignment surgery, or humoring people who want to be called by weird pronouns. The two arguments are mutually incompatible. You can't say both sexes are equal and then support people who feel they can only be happy if they're seen as the opposite sex.

I kinda agree
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I agree with the TC, he totally is a sad sack with an obsession with something that doesn't affect him at all.

KevinceKostner posted...

I agree with the TC, he totally is a sad sack with an obsession with something that doesn't affect him at all.

How a video game company performs affects nobody here yet half of the users favorite past time is going to huge arguments about nintendo
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NeoSioType posted...

What was the figure? 1/3rd of 1% to 1% identify as transgender.

Might be an old figure, I don't know.

are there even enough transgenders to survey about this?
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NightMareBunny posted...

NeoSioType posted...

What was the figure? 1/3rd of 1% to 1% identify as transgender.

Might be an old figure, I don't know.

are there even enough transgenders to survey about this?

Can you just stop posting forever

<1%, need more representation in media? No.

i just want trans supporters to admit it's an illness

it's not some abnormal subspecies of human it's the same as someone being a kleptomaniac or schizophrenic

there's sone kind of imbalance in their head that makes then hate themselves for not being able to vote what they wanted to be born as before they were even born

i just don't like lying to people and saying this is completely natural and we understand but in reality, nobody not even they themselves understand what's going on

i will not get down with the sickness

we don't treat any other mentally drained and sick people like this is rational behavior so why do it here?

if someone;s gay they are gay but trans means they have no idea who or what they are and that brings with it many dangerous possibilities
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I just want you to stop posting here, leave your house and do something productive with your life.
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NightMareBunny posted...

i just want trans supporters to admit it's an illness

it's not some abnormal subspecies of human it's the same as someone being a kleptomaniac or schizophrenic

there's sone kind of imbalance in their head that makes then hate themselves for not being able to vote what they wanted to be born as before they were even born

i just don't like lying to people and saying this is completely natural and we understand but in reality, nobody not even they themselves understand what's going on

i will not get down with the sickness

we don't treat any other mentally drained and sick people like this is rational behavior so why do it here?

if someone;s gay they are gay but trans means they have no idea who or what they are and that brings with it many dangerous possibilities

Thy were born that way. Basically their mind never got the memo that they have different genitalia. So their mind and brain is wired like a female, but they have male organs or vice versa. It is basically like being born with a messed up organ. It isn't some crazy plot or misidentity. Some people don't have this though and just want to be the opposite sex, those peopel shouldn't be able to do that but how are you gonna prove them wrong ya know?
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no matter the amount of surgeries they get they'll always be just a poor imitation of the real thing you can't just turn into a man or woman like magic

its a harsh reality but that's life
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You could tell me that 2+2=4, but you're so goddamned delusional that even I would second guess that answer.

NightMareBunny posted...

its a harsh reality but that's life

You haven't experienced life, how would you know about its harsh realities?
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NightMareBunny posted...

no matter the amount of surgeries they get they'll always be just a poor imitation of the real thing you can't just turn into a man or woman like magic

its a harsh reality but that's life

But the organ was created wrong in he first place. Instead of being whatever sex they are, the organ was made the opposite. It isn't their fault and isn't a delusion, it is a birth defect that can't be diagnosed until much later.
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Trick question, the media destroys everything it touches.
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No. They should live their lives and stfu about it. Best way to not be treated differently. If you identify with the opposite sex so much you change your body. Why feel the need to tell anyone you were formerly the opposite sex?
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I'll probably be marked for moderation for posting this, my own opinion, but no I don't think they should be in more mainstream media, I think it's a mental issue and these people need pyschological help.

Transgender suicide rates get higher post op, there's a reason for this.

I'm a big advocate for each top their own but even so, we shouldn't promote mental illness.
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richisdisturbed posted...

I'll probably be marked for moderation for posting this, my own opinion, but no I don't think they should be in more mainstream media, I think it's a mental issue and these people need pyschological help.

Transgender suicide rates get higher post op, there's a reason for this.

I'm a big advocate for each top their own but even so, we shouldn't promote mental illness.

Why would you be marked for moderation?

It is a mental disorder. It's gender dysphoria....
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I would say not more but rather move to less negative portayals in the limited occasions when they do appear

Most portrayals I have seen in TV, comics and movies have been:-
a) freaks to be laughed at
or
b) ciphers who are there for a joke (i.e. guy chats up a pretty girl, discovers the pretty girl used to be a man, guy freaks out while his friends laugh at him)
or
c) murderers

oddly enough the most positive portayals I have seen (excluding weird magical/cosmic fictional versions) is in videogames like Catherine
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So no by a long shot. If you are good enough to get a job in major media then we'll talk.
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Alexandra_Trent posted...

richisdisturbed posted...

I'll probably be marked for moderation for posting this, my own opinion, but no I don't think they should be in more mainstream media, I think it's a mental issue and these people need pyschological help.

Transgender suicide rates get higher post op, there's a reason for this.

I'm a big advocate for each top their own but even so, we shouldn't promote mental illness.

Why would you be marked for moderation?

It is a mental disorder. It's gender dysphoria....

I got marked for that,
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I think representation should closely reflect actual population statistics.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

I think representation should closely reflect actual population statistics.

if that were the case then there would be no transgenders in anything
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fireflydrake posted...

Yeah you should be who I want you to be not who you want to be

I support gender equality.

Transgender arguments HURT equality.

If guy can do anything girl can do... and girl can do anything guy can do... then we should NOT be condoning people trying to get risky gender reassignment surgery, or humoring people who want to be called by weird pronouns. The two arguments are mutually incompatible. You can't say both sexes are equal and then support people who feel they can only be happy if they're seen as the opposite sex.

Just because two things are equal doesn't mean they're the same.
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