Board 8 > Undertale coming to PS4/Vita, will have physical version

(+) Yeah! (+)

Just announced on Sony pre-show
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SHINE wins
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How will this work?
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So Undertale Hard Mode when?
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Hell yeah, glad to see the game expanding out from just PC.

I'll be curious to see how they handle crashing your game.
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neato
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Meh
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weird, I was just thinking this might happen yesterday during the MS conference
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this is the worst day of my life
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ExThaNemesis posted...

this is the worst day of my life

what about the day when it beats ffvii remake in goty polls here

As for the actual news, cool. Will almost definitely pick it up.
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HaRRicH posted...

Hell yeah, glad to see the game expanding out from just PC.

I'll be curious to see how they handle crashing your game.

Yeah I always figured this would be the thing that prevented a port from existing. Interesting.
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xp1337 posted...

what about the day when it beats ffvii remake in goty polls here

i will have hung myself upon seeing the bracket placement
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LapisLazuli posted...

SHINE wins

I knew it all along!
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xp1337 posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

this is the worst day of my life

what about the day when it beats ffvii remake in goty polls here

As for the actual news, cool. Will almost definitely pick it up.

LOL

FFVIIR Episode 1 is 2019 at the earliest. They started making that game last week.
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Part of me is overjoyed. The other part of me is wondering how any of this could work. There are so many things that I don't understand how you would do them on a console vs. PC...
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after actually playing it, people claiming undertale wouldn't work on console really confuses me
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Admittedly I've only heard of some of the things it does and not actually played/experienced it, but I mean, I know of other, sometimes obscure, games that have done similar things so it never really seemed odd to me that it could work out.
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So how are they gonna do the parts where the game crashes itself?
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Well there's stuff like editing the text save file for some secrets. And of course permanently losing your soul via automated Steam cloud saves. PSN lets you upload and download when you want.
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LazyKenny posted...

So how are they gonna do the parts where the game crashes itself?

By forcing the application to quit?

What was the last major system to not have an OS?
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paperwarior posted...

Well there's stuff like editing the text save file for some secrets. And of course permanently losing your soul via automated Steam cloud saves. PSN lets you upload and download when you want.

none of that shit is vital to the game, tho
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Admittedly the stuff that requires you to edit the save data to access would be problematic (thought I read about a patch that altered the nature of it though?) but as for permanently "ruining" your soul... isn't that just a function of Steam? Wasn't it entirely possible to revert if you really wanted to by messing with the save manually?

To make an analogy, (Nier spoilers): It's like if you backed up your saves to external memory before doing Ending D so you could restore your saves after they're erased while preserving the fact that you did Ending D as indicated by the change to the title screen.
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Well, it is a part of the game. Technically a downgrade to not have it, although some might disagree on the latter. I'm sure they can force-quit on PS4 and Vita. They can throw an exception if they really need to.
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The idea that one man with great music skills can make a game that eventually hits a big name console...
...fills me with DETERMINATION.
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oh my god determination this is the worst thing that has ever happened to humanity
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Extha's hatred of Determination...

... FILLS HIM WITH DETERMINATION!
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to be fair, it's a really lame meme
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It is when it's used like that, but I assume they're just trying to annoy him.
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Oh no, I used the meme unironically.

Annoying ExTha is just a bonus.
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undertale fans are trolls that use low brow memes confirmed
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"I've even gotten bored with pretending to hate Undertale now." - ExTha 4 weeks ago
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https://twitter.com/UndertaleJP/status/874443501047607296
https://twitter.com/UnderTale/status/874457906980294657
https://twitter.com/tobyfox/status/874461710882680832

And that's why.
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Not because E3 is when you announce stuff? I guess you wouldn't know it from the Sony conference.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svE60ic4akE
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DeepsPraw posted...

LazyKenny posted...

So how are they gonna do the parts where the game crashes itself?

By forcing the application to quit?

What was the last major system to not have an OS?

It's not really a matter of it can't possibly be done. It's a matter of violating compliance. Normally they won't let you publish a game on a console that crashes or force quits intentionally.

I don't see them making an exception here. I anticipate an in-game "reset" similar to what happens in some other games with console releases, like (spoiling a couple games with similar concepts at your own risk) Eternal Darkness or Arkham Asylum.

Technically I don't think that's the only thing either. Undertale frequently saves information without any graphical indication. That's an easy fix, but they did it with non-progress information to bury the lead on dialogue, so they might allow an exception there.
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Yeah, I'd always expected the same regarding a "reset" in this case.
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So the collector's edition comes with a music box locket.

And I don't care that much about everything else that comes with it, but I kinda want the locket.

Maybe someone will sell one by itself for a reasonable price-- I almost typed that with a straight face.
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kevwaffles posted...

DeepsPraw posted...

LazyKenny posted...

So how are they gonna do the parts where the game crashes itself?

By forcing the application to quit?

What was the last major system to not have an OS?

It's not really a matter of it can't possibly be done. It's a matter of violating compliance. Normally they won't let you publish a game on a console that crashes or force quits intentionally.

I don't see them making an exception here. I anticipate an in-game "reset" similar to what happens in some other games with console releases, like (spoiling a couple games with similar concepts at your own risk) Eternal Darkness or Arkham Asylum.

Technically I don't think that's the only thing either. Undertale frequently saves information without any graphical indication. That's an easy fix, but they did it with non-progress information to bury the lead on dialogue, so they might allow an exception there.

I really doubt they would let it slide in this case, but Sony and Microsoft have allowed specific games to pass certification despite explicitly and intentionally breaking some rules so there's at least a small chance they'd do it here. For example Braid was allowed to not have a "Press Start" title screen even though that was required under Microsoft's rules at the time.

But crashing to OS is a much bigger deal than that so I really doubt it would be allowed.
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Yeah, it's not too surprising that you can get an exception for some rules, but "no crashing" is definitely one of the big ones.
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kevwaffles posted...

I don't see them making an exception here

Why not? It's fuckin undertale. They will make the exception.

From personal experience, Sony is pretty open to indies and stuff like this. Pretty much every indie game (and AAA for that matter) releases with lots of compliance exceptions.

Undertale has such a massive following though, they can easily make the exception. Similar to all the exceptions they made for Kojima's PT.
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What do you mean by crashing? The game just closes, it doesn't crash the system.
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Minor exceptions sure. PT is literally another example of what I was talking about before, though. It doesn't crash, it just pretends to.
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Mac Arrowny posted...

What do you mean by crashing? The game just closes, it doesn't crash the system.

A crash can be for a specific application and does not necessarily mean a full system crash. Not sure why you think that.
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Erm, so what's the difference between a command that closes a program and the program crashing, and why is Undertale the latter rather than the former?
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First off, a system crash would mean the whole computer/console crashing as opposed to just an application/game, and that's the part I was correcting. If you understand that, then don't worry about it.

Second, vaguely speaking, admittedly it's easier just to call it crashing when it's intentional for compliance purposes since it's not allowed. However, on any modern console, I don't think a game is allowed to force quit without throwing an error, and that would make any form of forced quit a crash.

Third, it's a bit different between an application with user interaction and a process without. The latter may be expected to close without ever be noticed, but a user is going to think something is wrong if it's something like a browser or game that closes for a reason they're not aware of. In other words, while Undertale on PC may not technically crash, it certainly is meant to make you think it does, so generally people still call it crashing.
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kevwaffles posted...

A crash can be for a specific application and does not necessarily mean a full system crash. Not sure why you think that.

PT doesn't crash the game but it has massive brand and control-based violations
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Uh, did you quote the wrong post, foolmo?

Like I said, I imagine they'll let them not have an autosave icon. But I'll be incredibly shocked if they let them crash the game. Has there ever been an exception to that on any console?
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What violations did PT do? Curious about that.
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Shit what the hell is PT?
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I'm actually excited this game is coming out of the closet(PC) into the real world. Excited for Vita version!