Mockingjay was way better than CF, and probably pretty close to HG for me. I think I could see why people wouldn't like it (I haven't looked up any discussions about it yet, I well sometime soon), but for me where it went was pretty much exactly what I wanted from the sequel books. My favorite character in the whole series was probably Finnick.
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My problem with Mockingjay is Katniss was completely irrelevant. She spent the whole book hidden doing nothing, then she gets to do something, everyone she is in command of dies, and her squad does nothing of matter.
I suppose she was irrelevant in some parts, but as that was a plot point and it was addressed by her and others, I didn't have too much a problem with it. But seeing her really active in more than the last 80 pages would have been nice too.
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The one thing that did start to get to me in Mockingjay was the, I guess YA-style, of telling more than showing. Like, there's a section where Katniss sings the hanging tree song. There are for verses, then four long paragraphs explaining every one. And the song is pretty easy to understand. This popped up in the other books too, but either it happened more in Mockingjay or I just started getting annoying at it more here because it felt like more of a problem in this book.
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The first two were great and then the third made them pointless. Katniss went from being a strong character to being a whiny, hopeless little Mary Sue comparable to Bella. There were a few moments she was ok, but overall it was pages and pages of her in despair and whining about her life. One minute she loves Guy A, the next she loves Guy B. I'm surprised they didn't try to make Finnick Guy C.
They killed off Prim, making the whole reason these events took place null and void.
Finnick's death was pointless like he was a minor character or something.
And most importantly, all the build up for District 13 was a let down. The author took something cool like an underground district and made it as boring as humanly possible.
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Also, Katniss voting to have a last Hunger Games was disgusting and made me want to throw the book across the room.
I think she did that, not because she actually wanted a last Hunger Games, but to provide public context for her shooting of Coin. The vote was secret. Nobody knew that she voted for it. So when she shot Coin, the natural assumption would be that she opposed the decision and decided to kill Coin in protest.
At least, that's the only sense I can make of the unspoken communication going on between Kat and Haymitch during the vote ("let's see how well Haymitch understands me" and all that).
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I read that as her making sure she could get on stage to shoot Coin, with haymitch backing her because he knew she was planning something but not quite sure what.
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You beat yourself up with your past. Don't blame yourself, blame the world. Blame God. Blame me.
Also, Katniss voting to have a last Hunger Games was disgusting and made me want to throw the book across the room.
Me too. A lot of people I know tell me she did that to get a shot at killing Coin, but I think she would have had the shot anyway. It seemed to me she was just being spiteful because of Prim's death. It was the ultimate slap in the face to the whole point of eliminating the games and bringing peace.
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Sorry to come back to complain again, I just really hate Mockingjay.
I also hate how after she killed Coin, everything is assumed to be perfect. Like there would be no more corruption and that Coin was the ONLY corrupt person in District 13.
It would have made for a better ending if Kat had just eaten her cyanide pill and died after killing Coin, rather than the stupid Peeta shipping ending
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Sorry to come back to complain again, I just really hate Mockingjay.
I also hate how after she killed Coin, everything is assumed to be perfect. Like there would be no more corruption and that Coin was the ONLY corrupt person in District 13.
So you hate the original Star Wars trilogy for this as well?
Personally, I'd agree with the original ranking: Hunger Games > Mockingjay > Catching Fire
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The more I think of it, the more I think Collins just has a real problem with coming up with problems for her characters, then whipping up a DEM to solve it. "Starving in the Games? Have a parachute full of soup. Careers are about to kill everyone? Well, we'll have Kat knock herself out, then wake up with everything more or less resolved"
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Sorry to come back to complain again, I just really hate Mockingjay.
I also hate how after she killed Coin, everything is assumed to be perfect. Like there would be no more corruption and that Coin was the ONLY corrupt person in District 13.
DeathChicken posted...
It would have made for a better ending if Kat had just eaten her cyanide pill and died after killing Coin, rather than the stupid Peeta shipping ending
Seconding both of these.
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Everyone already voicing all of my problems with MJ pretty much.
Anyone else have a big issue with how CF and MJ were paced? THG felt so fluid and honest, and then in CF I just felt shoved and hurried along and it just didn't feel as natural as THG.
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CF's pacing was pretty awful. The biggest issue is that it's ESSENTIALLY the same plot as Hunger Games (because we're not aware of the coup until the end), yet they spend so long just going through the boring year that Katniss has to endure before The Quarter Quell.
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Haymitch getting his win with the bouncing axe was kind of goofy. Probably would have been more effective if it had just bounced to him and he'd taken the girl's head off with it
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I hated the ending to Mockingjay. Catching Fire was meh, but it was at least able to capitalize on the momentum of the first book. Mockingjay -- particularly the ending of it -- was just terrible. Unlike the other folks here, I'm ok with Katniss leading the suicide mission into the city. Where things go FUBAR for me is when they leave the shop and:
1. Prim gets killed. Why was Prim even there? What purpose did it serve either in terms of story or plot? Was there any purpose in Collins putting her there other than to give a big F.U. to Katniss and the readers?
2. Katniss devolves further into a raving mute lunatic, until one day she just decides to wander into Snow's rose room. Snow is all "well, are you sure I'm the real bad guy?" and Katniss just kinda goes "oh, alright then. That's kinda what Boggs was telling me, wasn't it...", and you know she's going to kill Coin, even though there's very little evidence that Coin is really some kind of horrible dictator so much as just authoritarian.
3. Katniss votes for the final Hunger Games. I really don't buy the contextual arguments some of you are making for her having an excuse to shoot Coin. Katniss was downright unstable at that point, and I seriously doubt she was thinking that in-depth about it.
4. Her trial goes on without her, without her finding out anything about it, until she's apparently acquitted on temporary insanity.
5. She goes back to District 12 and ekes out an existence, until Peeta comes and lives with her and they live somewhat happily ever after. She never sees Gale again, or her mother, or anyone else besides Haymitch. So the world's a POS, and so is her life, but somehow we're supposed to be convinced that this is still a happy ending.
I have seriously never been more disappointed with a work of art in any medium. The book just takes a total nosedive in the last 30-50 pages. I had to reread the chapter where she wakes up in the hospital to make sure I wasn't being deceived into reading a dream sequence. It's as though Collins went out of her way to disillusion her entire fanbase and ensure nobody ever reads anything of her's again.
I hated the ending to Mockingjay. Catching Fire was meh, but it was at least able to capitalize on the momentum of the first book. Mockingjay -- particularly the ending of it -- was just terrible. Unlike the other folks here, I'm ok with Katniss leading the suicide mission into the city. Where things go FUBAR for me is when they leave the shop and:
1. Prim gets killed. Why was Prim even there? What purpose did it serve either in terms of story or plot? Was there any purpose in Collins putting her there other than to give a big F.U. to Katniss and the readers?
2. Katniss devolves further into a raving mute lunatic, until one day she just decides to wander into Snow's rose room. Snow is all "well, are you sure I'm the real bad guy?" and Katniss just kinda goes "oh, alright then. That's kinda what Boggs was telling me, wasn't it...", and you know she's going to kill Coin, even though there's very little evidence that Coin is really some kind of horrible dictator so much as just authoritarian.
3. Katniss votes for the final Hunger Games. I really don't buy the contextual arguments some of you are making for her having an excuse to shoot Coin. Katniss was downright unstable at that point, and I seriously doubt she was thinking that in-depth about it.
4. Her trial goes on without her, without her finding out anything about it, until she's apparently acquitted on temporary insanity.
5. She goes back to District 12 and ekes out an existence, until Peeta comes and lives with her and they live somewhat happily ever after. She never sees Gale again, or her mother, or anyone else besides Haymitch. So the world's a POS, and so is her life, but somehow we're supposed to be convinced that this is still a happy ending.
I have seriously never been more disappointed with a work of art in any medium. The book just takes a total nosedive in the last 30-50 pages. I had to reread the chapter where she wakes up in the hospital to make sure I wasn't being deceived into reading a dream sequence. It's as though Collins went out of her way to disillusion her entire fanbase and ensure nobody ever reads anything of her's again.
Your opinion is null and void since you suck at Majora's Mask.
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The Hunger Games>Mockingjay>Catching Fire Majora's Mask won GotD. Deal with it.